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david vaughan said:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“….before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!…. ”
RESPONSE:
This, also, has aready been covered!
Would everyone please Pay Attention?
930. david vaughan said: February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!”
RESPONSE:
There is nothing for us to understand. We already do.
It has already been reminded that “SWASTIKA” is HINDU! We & others have already reminded, that, All other versions are individual resemblances separate from the Hindu symbol, all of which have absolutely Nothing to do with the Hindu “Swastika!”
Can we move on?
david vaughan said:
“only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !! ”
RESPONSE:
This also has aready been covered!
It is unfortunate that the entire world has been brainwashed into believing and accepting that any resemblance to the Hindu Swastika is, in fact, a “Swastika!”
It is equally unfortunate that just as we American Indians (over 600 Nations) are stuck with names that are NOT OURS given to us by Caucasions from European ancestry, and that we are all, also, stuck with the Name “Swastika” for all symbols resembing and/or shaped similar to the Hindu symbol! This also is the corruption and bastardization so prevailent among the Caucasoid Races.
Again, can we plead Move On?
david vaughan said:
“a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.”
RESPONSE:
Let’s stay within the subject matter.
Certainly, a wolf wearing sheep’s atire does not make the wolf become a sheep! Obviously!
930. david vaughan said:
“no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.”
RESPONSE:
Again, this forum is not (so much) about “atrocities!” It is chiefly about the revival & recaimation of the Swastiks (and not wishing to play into your game of Semantics) all forms that have been perceived by others around the globe as “Swastika!”
We neither appologize for having to use the World-Accepted name of Swastika imposed upon the world by Caucasoids, than we should appologize for having to call ourselves “Cherokee, Delaware, Huron, Sioux or any of the other hundreds of the Caucasoid bastardizations and corruptions of our real names!
930. david vaughan said:
“i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.”
RELEVANCY?
930. david vaughan asked:
“thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!”
RESPONSE:
We suggest that you ask a Jewish person for any answers pertaing to Jewish issues and to ask any others, reative to any and all questions pertaining to issues that are not American Indian or World Indian.
The Minister, is NOT JEWISH! He, nor we are qualified to answer Jewish related questions.
As for anyone’s levels of poverty, this is not within the scope of “Recaiming” the swastika!
That is all!
~ Native American Embassy Council
Jeez…Chill out. The swastika is a beautiful symbol (before Hitler pranced around with it). All this bickering on this forum seems to go against what the swastika stands for. Take some deep breaths.
931. david vaughan asked:
“TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?”
February 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm.
REPLY:
This is far beyond the scope of what our Embassy, this web forum or the subject of reviving & reclaiming the swastika is about.
To answer your question, we suggest that you do a bit of your own homework.
~ Native American Embassy Team
man always argue with god!!.
people in western societies are so liberal and speak about freedom that they forgot the bible!!
men become devoid of his true commitment towards god !!, if gays, lesbians, homosexuals are legal , then war is certainly legal!!. the television media has played a negative role in spreading pornography, horror, war holocausts etc. etc
no administration takes any action to clean this mutilated human society of ours!!
if Jewish holocast victims are still alive, Hiroshima and veitnam victims r also alive, when we view it from our western pespective swastika is ours and we r true,
when Germans, Asians and Tibetans view it from there perspective, swastika is their’s and they r true.
sooner or later, these kind of arguments will result in more bitterness and hostility amongst nations paving way for the 3rd world war!!
we r behaving like an ostrich bird which cant fly when it sees a lion! it puts its head inside a borrow of a squirrel and gets the imagination under darkness that its safe and no body is near it, while the reality is that its entire body is vulnerable to an attack by the lion!!
always we should be practical in life!!, just imagining peace and saying a few words in favour of whites wll not serve the purpose,
for every mountain their is a valley !!after valley another mountain arises!! same is with happiness and sorrows, and same is with war and peace!!
after war, there is peace !!!, after the peace , there is war !! swastika takes both war and peace on its rotation !!
TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?
i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!
only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!
a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.any body can adopt swastika, any nation any country!!
no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.
i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.
thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!
but Jew wants to put his leg crossed and expects other’s money to flow into his pocket. weather its Pepsi or oil from Iraq or selling American defense technology to china, the Jew is gaining money from everything world wide!!!
Those idiots who call themselves white supremacists and use the swastika as such are none other than brainwashed individuals who were spoonfed false information about the true meaning of the swastika. Those d*ckheads who are desecrating mosques, synagogues and muslim cementeries with swastikas (and also celtic crosses) are only doing a favor to those who want to ban the swastika.
Someone said earlier who needs symbols anyway? Well if you don’t believe in symbols then don’t use them, but don’t tell others who believe in them not to use them.
Sadly we live in a world where the only information we see about this sacred symbol is the one associated with the Nazis because its all about what sells and what drives the public ire. I have put pictures of different forms of swastikas on my facebook profile (hope I won’t get deleted) in order to carry out my message. I’m not stupid enough to believe that the holocaust was a hoax, the reason why people called it a hoax was because it helped create the state of Israel, and you already know the rest. Why don’t we let the 6 million innocent jews who died at the hands of misinformed idiots rest in peace and we can carry on with our lives, of course, remembering those victims. I do not believe they will judge us from trying to resurrect the swastika
For the love of all that is Humanly scared “Please” just let it go, the symbol’s origins are not with A.H. he stoled it because he felt it had magical powers, much the same as Christians did they cross despite the warning in the Bible not to have any engraven images . The origins of the swastika are Native American and if anyone has the right to display it they do its about pride alright if they choose to display it in that light they so be it, For you Christians you’d be more concerned about the Cross you display for if my son was shot with a 357 then all around the country people began to wear a 357 around there neck or in there ears i’d be beyond words pissed as your God ! My guess is your God is rather pissed, so clean your door steps 1st and leave the Native Americans to there owe Devises and Symbols and God’s for you have done more to destroy a people than Hitler could have ever , chew on that for a spell !
until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world
!!!!!!! CORRECTION !!!!!!!
The above is SUPPOSED TO BE:
UNTIL THE LAST HOLOCAUST VICTIMS & SURVIVORS “ARE NO LONGER ALIVE!” IN THIS WORLD!”
~ ThunderWolfe
VERY IMPORTANT!
It is most prudent, at least for a number of years, until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world, that great care be maintained to avoid using the Swastika version as has been designed or re-designed by the Nazi’s!
There are far too many resembling ones around the world that no one has to use the German/Nazi form. The pre-Nazi German form MAY BE PERMISSIBLE, but NOT That used by Nazi’s..
There IS a DIFFERENCE between that used by the German form & that used by Hitler and Nazi’s!
Anyone can even, also, creat a new version, one of your own! Be Creative! Be Colorful, etc.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
924. Masato said:
“…..Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol…..”
OUR RESPONSE:
We do not wish to constantly repeat the same message, over, and over, and over, ad infinitum, so lets look at just one item in this ongoing and non-stopable repetition:
As we and others have been reminding everyone, the Swastika is not evil, nor “BAD!”
The Swastika or one of the symbols resembling its, shape, etc, but NOT the HINDU “SWASTIKA” , being “a Symbol”, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand!
The issue has not been nor is it now, a sole matter of being a symbol or its evil, good or bad portrayal.
The issue is about a handfull of entities Coercing the entire world into beliefing and accepting that the symbol is bad or evil rather than those who have and still misuse it being bad and/or evil!
Certainly there are going to be those who only see through their own bind and hate-filled eyes and attitudes, who will give you and others some difficulty for using it.
What is most important in this quest to revive and restore the swastika-like symbols to their rightful places and positions, as well as usage in the world communities that has held it dear if not sacred!
Equally important, is, if you and others have the backbone to stand your ground and not throw in the towel, thereby submitting yet again to the cruel and heartless, and selfish dictates of these few Bullies!
IN OUR LIFETIME, This SACRED SYMBOL, WILL BE “RESPECTED” AGAIN, and, BY ALL!
Walk in love and beauty,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I recently Uploaded a Swastika as a profile picture for like Myspace, and crap.
People say non stop.. Change your picture you gay nazi..
Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol.. Are you bleeding? No… It’s not hurting any one.. I can understand if someone who had bad exp with the symbol asked me to remove it(Nicely) then I would gladly do it.
All I get is You — hole, Gay nazi, —- you! They say the swastika is a racist symbol and isn’t used today only by nazis, kkk, and other groups..
Someone even said it lost it’s meaning in 1800’s..and I should even care of it’s old meaning because I am not a buddist I am american.. Even if it was for buddist or any other group.. I will gladly wear a swastika to try to help bring it’s old meaning back.
If you visit the Anti Defamation League website you will see clearly that under each “neo-nazi” symbol they make it very clear that non-racist neo-pagans use them as well and each symbol should be judged according to the context, NOT the symbol itself
sorry for my annoying posts
http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/manwoman/index.html
Scroll down and you will find a nice surprise…
I carry a Lauburu (basque swastika) around my neck because its a symbol that gives me a lot of strength and confidence (maybe it’s psychological but hey, whatever works).
Some retard claimed that the swastika is only an Aryan symbol, well guess what, the Basques are NOT Aryan NOR are they Indo-European , their origins are unknown and their language predates that of any indo-european language. Even the lauburu was found on ancient rock paintings. The reason why the swastika is banned is because post WW2 society wanted to adopt a “never again” policy, claiming that history repeats itself. Why is the swastika banned and not the Christian cross??? good question…
Banning the swastika would be like banning the Star of David, or the Menorah. I don’t think Jews would want that would they?
History repeats itself…well duh…as long as there are ignorant fools living in this world brainwashing people just for their own benefits.
I do have many Jewish friends who, despite what they feel about the symbol, do acknowedge and recognize that it has more than one meaning. Those few who still claim that it was a symbol of hate are just doing it out of pride, arrogance, ignorance, and perhaps fear…