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Hello. I have always found the swastika one of the most visually appealing symbols in existence. I know the history both the good and the bad, and I have to say I really like this site and other redeemers like ManWoman. One other thing I should mention. Swastika describes the symbol in its benevolent and spiritual form. The Nazis called it the HankenKreuz. Point this out to accusers when having a reclaim discussion.
kip here again, if anyone agrees to my statement and wishes to talk ask for me at 1-973-865-2385. after2:00 eastern time. thank you
we all know the big secret is that the swastica comes from the fact that it is naturally formed in the common jigsaw puzzle. this fact gives license to the arts and the soon emergence of the renaissance man who will make glass puzzles. we all know this and it is I who shall proclaim it. it is known my life has been impoverished and persecuted because of this but the madness doesnt stop there. there are many other symbols created to add to the creative spirit or voice of god. take my name dalrymple and see how it closely resembles the form of a fish. Is this closely related to jesus? I can go on for hours and soon it will all be revealed and weighed. So god help me.
why this symbol should not be stigmatized: take for example Mandela and the Springboks. When he became the first black president of South Africa, instead of banning the team, which represented apartheid, he decided to change the meaning of the team, and now you have more blacks playing rugby and even the springboks. Yes it is essentially an afrikaaner symbol but its association with apartheid is fading away, thanks to Mandela.
I do concede the fact that the RWC 95 was held in South Africa and Mandela used it as a political tool, but it was for good intentions.
We should do the same with the swastika, no time for petty revenge
And YES Black Madonna, Israel did support the apartheid regime and even provided the with weapons
I will use my Sanskrit name for now. On the one hand, it’s appropriate for the site, as we’re talking about taking back a Vedik symbol. On the other hand, as the comments indicate we will attract hostility, I’ll play it safe for now.
As this symbol occurs in ancient andsacred sites all over the world (so I do understand it’s not just Vedik), it should have always been apparent the Nazi movement arrogantly chose to claim it just they believed the lie about Europeans invading India millenia ago and giving them the Svastika, Sanskrit, Yoga, Tantra and Dharma.
This specious, confabulated theory was nurtured for a century or two in Europe before it was passed to a young Adolf Hitler who believed it for his own psychotic reasons, using all the racial and political ramifications to build an empire and an ideology. The Nazi legacy does not deserve ownership of the sacred sun-sign, the wheel of life and harmony. Remember them for death camps, ovens and zyklon-b, throw in an ill-fated airship, horrific eugenics experiments and losing a war because they were so intent on killing their own citizens.
Natives all through the Americas coexist with the Christian cross, many revere it and even wear it, without eschewing it as a symbol used by the invaders who mudered and dispossessed their ancestors. I believe someone here said that doesn’t qualify as an argument because the numbers don’t match.
First off, genocide is genocide, and bean-counting with lives lost is beneath consideration. Secondly, how can anyone dare say it doesn’t qualify when Native Americans endured four=hundred years of slaughter
and the loss in incalculable. By the way….they used the svastika too….and still do.
It’s not nice to call us nuts for wishing less hate and more peace in the world. That’s a goal at all living things should have in common.
I completley agree with this site’s message. One little bad use of a symbol origionally used for peace should NOT be associated with the people who used it for evil. I hope that one day, people who are not Neo-Nazis can wear this symbol and not be trashed-talked, or worse.
Wow I’ve only read like the first 3 comments and already there’s a lot of hate on this site. I was expecting something much more peaceful and intelegent. I love the idea of this site becuz the Swastika is such a lovely sign that was defiled and deserves to be liberated from it’s miss placed guilt. It’s not right to let a mad genius from years ago to still harm life today. People should be more educated on the topic and people should feel safe to walk about with the Swastika and not feel judged, hated, or in fear. Many people were killed in the name of God and no one complains when I wear my cross, but if I hauled out a Swastika I’d go from the Christian girl to a Nazi with no questions asked. It’s surprising how people wish to hold on to such hate, even here. I sure hope that someday when I see the Swastika spary painted under a bridge or on the side of a train that I can safely assume it was a fellow hippy or some other good doer, just wishing those to saw their tag good luck, peace, and life!
After discovering more about the power of the swastika and its well-intentioned symbolism, I will do everything in my power to promote it to Afrocoids EVERYWHERE — in America, Canada, Jamaica, Kenya, Tanzania, Panama, Trinidad, Barbados, Cuba, DRC, Zambia, South Africa, Angola, Burundi, Rwanda, Mozambique, Mlawi, Ghana, Nigeria, Sudan, Niger, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Sierre Leone and other places I didn’t mention.
People always say “Never Again” when it comes to WW2 and the Holocaust, right??
Well, I will also remind you that Blacks/Afrocoids say NEVER AGAIN to slavery and oppression by whites pushing democracy and cross down our throats by a religion who’s god allegedly had a blonde hair blued eyed son that died for our sins & who chooses only to be seen and heard by his Chosen Ones. Unbelievable!!
It’s amazing the hypocrasy of some cultures/religions. For almost 400 years, Afrocoids served the white anglo enterprise as slaves (free labour) and built the US into what it is thanks to FREE labour.
And this was all under the guise of CHRISTIANITY and white men of the cloth shoving that fukcing CROSS down our throats and souls.
If anything, Blacks the world over shoud reject Christianity as it only serves to keep them pacified (with a blonded hair, blue eyed Jesus).
Therefore I say LET THE SWASTIKA reign SUPREME. It certainly hasn’t been used to subjugate my people and it has ancient connotations that are very possitive.
If the Jews are offended by it, I’m sorry but you can’t tell people in other cultures who revere the swastika that they can’t use it.
You don’t see blacks complaining TODAY when Israel were supporters of South Africa’s evil Apartheid regime, do you???
You have to wonder if it will ever be possible to ‘reclaim the swastika’ as it will be forever linked to Nazi Germany, and thus its true meaning will be constantly confused. Everytime you open a history book the Nazis’ use of the symbol is evident. You’d have trouble walking down the street with a swastika on your shirt and not receive any harsh comments (or worse).
I understand the history behind the symbol, but my goodness there’s a lot of negative connotations that come with it nowadays. The symbolism behind Nazi Germany’s use of the swatika is very powerfull and will not dissapear overnight. “Reclaiming the Swatika” will not be easy, which is probably a good thing.
we should try to stop argueing about rants and skinheads. we should focus our attention on the revival of swastika..
Hi all,
I’ve just added an extra item to the Guidelines page, about rants and PEOPLE SHOUTING IN ALL-CAPITAL LETTERS.
It’s a bit ridiculous to have to actually add it as a guideline, but it amazes me how this forum seems to attract shouty rants on issues that are not even about the spiritual nature of the swastika. At least, if you really insist on having a rant, please don’t do it in all capital letters!
A related, and more frustrating, kind of message that I’m seeing quite a lot of are ones that attack other contributors to the website. I’ve had to block a couple of people for repeatedly abusing the site in this way. Please keep it civil, people!
Thank you,
your webmaster,
Prem
I chose the swastika to use as my project because of its beauty as a symbol and the balance of design, unfortunately some people are giving me raised eyebrows thanks to the negative connotations of Nazi Germany. I’m glad this site exists to put things right!
900. akn swastika 108 said:
“if u call me irrational and of twisted sense, then where is the freedom to express thoughts. …”
REPLY!
Irrationality, twisted minds or mentalities and, even Insanity, has absolutely nothing to do regarding the Freedom to diseminate the product of such ditortions and irrationalities eminating from such insanities, or other dysfunctional minds or the thoughts thereof!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Mr. Vaughen, or whatever… You say World Wars are “…God’s entertainment…” and to read the bible and such… but if you read the bible, you’d know that God doesn’t want violence, so why would that be, in any way, entertaining? It wouldn’t…
What I do not agree is the assumption that the FOWER-FOT/ FYLFOT or as some call it the swastika originated in one or two specific places and then spread out without ceasing.
Of course it spread to a certain extent from some areas but I think scholars over estimate this and do not give many cultures and civilisations and even the individual, credit and respect in terms of their innate creativity, which is in all of us.
Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.
As someone who is involved in art, and no doubt some of you will remember from your younger days that when you first started to draw. There was a number of patterns you automatically drew. These shapes being a circle, square, and crossed lines. (and a triangle).
Continuing to explore shapes you add a small inner circle inside the larger circle. Then you add radiant arched lines from the inner circle to the outer. Now you have a fower-fot/ fylfot. With the crossed lines you simply add other lines at an angle (and so on if you wish) and you have another fower-fot / fylfort.
These shapes can be created inside a square and become more elaborate with turns and rolls.
So this is why I do not believe the fower-fot/ fylfot or swastika originated in only one or two areas and civilisations. I believe it’s creation is the natural innate creatively of humans around the world. And their common if not similar understanding in how the shape appears to manifest it’s various patterns in the their observations and understanding of the world they lived . …And in which we live.
In fact billions of people around the world have the fower-fot / fylfot or swastika in their bathrooms, kitchens and places of work.. Just look down at your bathroom and kitchen plug-holes !
And people and cultures should be allowed to use this symbol for positive, wise, good and kind things. A flower has no place in a sewer.
In the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (Runic Alphabet) we find the ‘Sigel (sun) S’. One ‘Sigel’ placed across another at a right angle gives us a fower-fot, a fylfot.
The same can be done with another Anglo-Saxon Furthorc rune the ‘eoh (yew) symbol’.
As a native ethnic indigenous Englishman (an Anglo-Saxon) who has his own cultural identity and native religion with it’s own gods and goddess. I too find the banning of what my people call the ‘ FYLFOT ‘ form old English meaning FOWER FOT, meaning four-footed or many footed.; – I find it very disturbing to ban this image there is no reason to ban this incredible and ancient symbol.
Many fylfort symbols have been found in England from urns, pendants, brooches, cremation urns, hilts, art etc. Also found in English Christian religious art and symbolism.
The FYLFOT/FOWER FOT (FOUR FOOTED) was and still is a sacred symbol to many native ethnic indigenous English people. It is associated with the sun and our thunder god ‘THUNOR’ (the vikings called him Thor). From Thunor we have the days name called Thursday.
Thunor was not just renowned for his strength and hammer and defending the other gods. He was associated with the weather and crops and god of farmers, peasants, serfs and slaves.
My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive that because of those nazis my people are having part of their culture removed by ignorant politicians. My native English culture along with many other cultures are being attacked by bureaucratic ignorance. We must stop this stupidity.
Below is a photograph of an Anglo-Saxon urn with Fylfot/fower fot decoration. Is it possible to enlarge the Photo and put this on your Photos page please?
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/p/pottery_cremation_urn-1.aspx
Thank you Aelfred
1023. Good grief, what species are you from? You can’t spell, your grammar is terrible and you have a hate against Jews and what you call infidels. What kind of racist dog vomit are you.