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Thank you for your interest in the swastika and for everybody’s contributions so far. Best of luck in moving the conversation forward in your own circle.
I do not practice Hinduism nor Jainism or Buddhism, but I still would like to see the swastika reclaim its goodness in society. It was such a universal symbol for good fortune, but alas, twelve years of association with hatred and oppression have marred thousands of years of usage as a symbol of well-being. I may perhaps be overly optimistic, but I hope that it will return to its original meaning in my lifetime. I don’t expect it to, though…
the swastika comes from IndiA the Sanskrit is the oldest ancient history of IndiA and the swastika in Vedic is (svastika) the swastika came from IndiA and originated here. I don’t ever want to see anyone of any different race wearing anything to do with our Vedic religious symbols if you do it will be at your own risk.i am North WEST IndiaN
To make Swastika well known as a positive symbol, the current BJP government should use it prominently in all public functions. This will facilitate wider media coverage (including international) prompting overseas viewers to query why is Swastika is openly displayed in India. That curiosity will prompt them to seek answers (mostly via the internet). Hopefully, over many decades of such positive reinforcement nationally and internationally, Swastika will again regain its revered place in humanity.
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Very insightful website about the true meaning of the swastika. I have always been intrigued by the symbol despite it’s horrible use and what it was known for in world war two. Always felt there must be a deeper significance to the symbol and im glad there is, I absolutely feel like this is worthy of more exposure to educate people the true spirit and value of this symbol.
You have made a good beginning, but you seemed to have lost the momentum . I visited this site several years ago, but nothing much has changed.
How can I help to spread the good word ?
Under the history, you nailed it, and this is the most important fact to get out there. The NAZI use if this symbol sealed its fate to be doomed from the start. World history and the story of mankind has few commonalities across the globe for most if its existence. The misuse of this symbol by evil people now gone, has, since the 1940s, removed a Sybil of World heritage. Misuse of the symbol assures of doom, losing it and un-using it cannot be much better. Thanks for the drive and take back from the nazi ‘s.
I would be so happy if people would realize finally what this symbol really stands for.thank you for taking a stand and educating people.
A very powerful symbol, I’ve been drawn to them since childhood…Even when I “doodle” on a note-pad I find myself drawing different variations of the Swastika and/or rune-like symbols…
It certainly is mostly unattainable to see well-updated visitors on this theme, but you appear like you fully grasp exactly what you’re posting on! Regards
I think we need to start by calling the Nazi cross by it’s actual name, the Hakenkreuz. As long as anyone sees that symbol and calls it a “swastika”, the billions of people around the world for whom the swastika is a religious symbol, will live in intolerance from the west. The Reclaim the Swastika movement is growing, but there’s still a lot of education required and that starts with vocabulary.
Any association of the swastika, regardless its turning left or right, with Nazism, should be banned from people’s minds – unless also the colours appear to match. Otherwise, one could just as well look down on any kind of a cross shape or, on any flag that only has its three bands in the same direction as some enemy flag. Of course, the presence of certain other symbols or the nature of the object may also make a simple dark swastika without a specifically added background, quite inappropriate.
Thank you for your work. I represent 4 races: American Indian, Celt, Norse and Slav (for simplicity’s sake, having several tribes in each) All of my ancestors held this symbol close to their hearts and I cry for the loss of this sacred symbol of unity. If we allow it’s loss to continue we will continue the genocide against the many peoples who have this symbol central to their cosmology. Forgotten by many, it represents the course of the Big Dipper over a year period, in variation with Ursa Major, in the Northern Hemisphere: Thus, it is an Interrelative Formula important for learning vital cultural tradition for many people. It can also be found in Hawaii, I learned when stationed there as an American Soldier. Thank you again.
For Hindus it will always remain a sacred symbol. Nazis are a recent and temporary phenomenon on earth.
Rather ironically, the frontispiece of the book “Weimarer historisch-genealoges Taschenbuch des gesamten Adels jehudäischen Ursprunges. 1912. Erster Jahrgang. – Weimar, Kyffhäuser-Verlag, 1912″ utilizes the the “Hindu” swastika as part of the decoration at the foot of the page. The book itself became known informally as the “Semi Gotha”, and was used to identify Jewish noble families by the Nazis; this being a pun on Semitic Gotha, where Gotha refers to the German genealogical books on their noble families.
The first stika is from the Garden of Eden. I filed Letter of Recommendations, formal complaint pending investigation s of, 7th charges within the 50 states abroad without any resolution. My financial retribution must been given. Peace! I want to study within the Royal Palace of Solomon.
Use your energy and resources to do some good in ths world. To try and reclaim the swastika is useless and futile. At least for a few more generations.
It’s a wonderful symbol, dancing and of wonder, with ancient roots and belongs to all of us…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_Stone
Best wishes
Here in Mongolia, the Swastika is a national symobl. People are suprised to discover that it could have a negative connotation. You find in on signs, clothes, carpets, cakes, decorations, taxis, everything .
This movement to “reclaim” a basic geometric figure is pointless. To hundreds of millions of people it is a shorthand for Naziism. For hundreds of millions of others, it means something else.
Like it or not, this symbol has at least two meanings, one of which is pretty terrible, and isn’t going away any time soon, nor should it. Deal with that.
The real Hindu Swastika is reverse of What Nazis used. So there is nothing to reclaim as far as Hindus are concerned.
Hi there, I’m Toby, a journalist in AU. I’d like to talk to you about the reclamation of the swastika. Could you please email me if you’re interested in talking about it with me? Thank you.
Swastika used to denote that all the four varnas should work within their limits and to create the best Society without interruption in others works for personal benefits by being satisfied with everything you have and gaining satisfaction in being a part of the society by one’s knowledge. It was a very great concept introduced by our forefathers. Yes, there was no contradiction in that it was definitely INDIAN. But in the broader context, it must be used for the welfare of Mankind.
The word Swastika is Sanskrit: swa means “higher self,” asti means “being,” and ka is a suffix. The word may be understood as “being with higher self.” It is also known as srivatsa. http://youtu.be/2c7eQIQO42M
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such a beautiful symbol of happiness…
It is true if we leave something of value and goodness in the realms of evil then the evil has eroded another part of the light.
Hey guys, happy to see a website specifically made to revive the real meaning of Swastika. I, myself have searched alot about Swastika. After referring many sources, I finally found the true AUTHENTIC MEANING of Swastika. The meaning somehow just came to my mind while I was just day-dreaming! May be some cosmic source was responsible for that!
And the day I came to know about it, I shared it on my blog! Go to this link to know the REAL MEANING of SWASTIKA. All other websites are just giving the self created and tale-told meanings. Give yourself few mins to Know the Real meaning here:
http://www.fullnfenil7.blogspot.in/2013/06/swastika-symbol-its-meaning-and.html
Everyone ranting that the symbol is purely Indian and cannot be used by anyone else needs to get their head our of their asses. it was used in ancient civilizations across the world; India is only one of the many places that have ties to the swastika. Ancient Europeans used the symbol, especially the Slavs, and Greeks. It is also, by extension used in China and Japan as Buddhist symbols (which originated from India, granted).
But to outright say that it’s exclusively Indian and can’t be used by other cultures is nonsense.
swastika originated in india.
Not a part of my own haritage, but I have often thought the swastika should be used by groups like Red Cross/Cresent. It only takes one major movement to redefine something. Now that I think of it, I recall reading about a Red Swastika Movement, in China I think.
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the swastika belongs to MY people I am NORTH EAST INDIAN. if I ever find anyone white European wearing that prepare for your funeral!!!! and there is no such thing as indo-European that is whiteman’s speculation of false theories as 1. there is no proof in Europe 2. there isnt any shared linguistics with asia and Europe shared its ONLY INDIA”S iconic symbol.oh and Europe is only a 500 year word.
nobody which is white European should be using OUR symbol that is sheer mockery and should be punishment within law.the swastika (svastika) belongs to india ONLY!
Please take a look at my new book: The Swastika and the Nazis: A Study of the Misuse of the Swastika by the Nazis, at:
http://www.intelinet.org/sg_site/swastika_nazis.html
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The svastika has an esoteric meaning much deeper than the drivel of Nazism can claim attention to. Look at the Ubaid period (5300 – 4100 BCE) of Sumerian culture . . . Then let the symbol regain its significance. Ponder this . . . .
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There is a link between Nazism and the Indian origins of the swastika.
Hitler believed rightly that his ancestral home was in India, hence he sent experts to look for his ancestral home.
German, and all European legends, are based Indian legends.
Read Henry D’ Souza, Plato’s Atlantis is Bharat’s India, self-published.
Namaste,
Our world needs more positive, happy thoughts.
Let us revere in the beauty of the “swastika”.
Thank you for creating this website. I have exhausted arguments with the ignorant!
To those people who suggest that because the Swastika has been “tainted” by psychotic Europeans to the detriment of the Jews, that it can never be “reclaimed”, understand this. While only those devoid of basic humanity would disagree that what happened in WW2 was horrific, it had nothing to do with Indians and we are not going to give up a key symbol of our civilisation, which has been around for thousands of years, just to avoid hurting your sentiments.
Such demands emerge purely from this lingering delusional superiority complex of Western civilisations and their Abrahamic religious representatives; the notion, conscious or otherwise, that their sensibilities take some kind of moral precedence over others and the rest of us must go out of our way to keep them happy whatever the cost to ourselves. Otherwise, why else is there not an equal push to ban the cross and the crescent, cultural and civilisational symbols under which countless atrocities have been committed, not least in India, which utterly DWARF those done under the debased Nazi version of the Swastika, and over a far, far longer period of time? If Indians agitated to have those symbols banned because it reminds us of Islamic brutality throughout 800 years, or Portugese atrocities under the Catholic banner, or British attempts to impose Christianity through the active subversion of Indian culture for 200 years, would such a demand be entertained for even a microsecond? On the contrary, it would be met with an even shriller demonstration of contempt than usual.
So please can the hypocrisy. The onus is on you to respect other civilisations and their sentiments, rather than trying to forcibly prioritise your own feelings over others. You are not superior, you do not have the final say on things, and you do not have a monopoly on what is good, what it bad, and how people should live, think or behave. The swastika is here to stay so DEAL WITH IT.
All my books published in English have used the term FYLFOT [aka Swastika in btackets] I have always been encouraged by the existence of your website but not sure whether you would want to have a link to mine, as it would appear to be naked commerciaism, to advertize and sell my books.
My next project is to prepare a booklet for circulation within the EU to clarify the need to objectgively distinguisn between the Nazi swastika and all other benign uses in Jainism and beyond. Cheers!
Used as logo by the Swedish industry company ASEA, pre 1933.
ASEA had specialized in manufacturer of electrical generators and the swastika was the common map symbol for a water power plant. in those days.
You can still find ASEA’s Swastika logo in elevators in old buildings here in Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allmanna_Svenska_Elektriska_Aktiebolaget
I found a photo (circa late 1800s/early 1900s) of my great grandfather (died in 1922) in a cardboard frame. On the outside of the frame (the part that folds over to protect the photo) was embossed into the cardboard a swastika. He left Germany in the mid 1800s when he was four and lived the rest of his life as an American citizen in Illinois. Is my research accurate that this was, at the time, a symbol of pride in German heritage or a symbol of good luck? I know it had nothing to do with Hitler, because it is too early. Thanks for the input.
The Swastika should be kept as it is a symbol of well being.
It is not the fault of Hindu people that there was a war in Europe.
Everyone should be able to display the symbol freely.
Swastika, sun sun symbol was made into a evil sign by the Hitler then the Zionists. The Zionists knew it was power and did not want people to know how to use it. The last thing the “powers” want is people and countries making free power. It would change the world balance. So it is banned. I believe you can make it out of the correct material and generate power from it as an antenna. But how can you experiment? You would be arrested nearly everywhere in the world even the US with freedom of press. As an electronics person it is the shape of the coils and iron cores in a generator and motor. I have a ham license that this shape makes a very good high gain antenna. I believe there are molecules and atoms that form in the swastika shape. There needs to be a world spiritual movement to allow it. It has always been for thousands of years a symbol of good, energy and healing. One person miss uses it and one religious group gets it banned everywhere! Tesla generated power from an antenna, but knew he could never release it without being killed.
Listen, I understand its a symbol of the most peaceful religion on earth-Jainism. It really sucks but the fact is, in the western world it symbolizes hate, racism and anti semitism. Call it a twisted cross or whatever. But it looks the exact same. And racists still use it for hate. There’s no way you can “take it back” unless skin head stop using it. If I saw a bumper sticker of a swastika I’d run them off the road. Also I should mention I’m a Jew from California and have never seen a Jain. And here it meens hate not a Symbol of good fortune and peace
Keep up the good work. While, as you noticed, it is totally understandable that our world has developed a hatred for swastikas, the level of censorship of those is outrageous right now. Who knows what will be decided to censor next for whatever reason.
Good job that you’re doing… the swastika is a sign of peace, and we should take it back from that Austrian con-artist.
I first heard of the movement to reclaim the swastika, hackencruetz, hooked cross in German, when I did a presentation about the swastika for a public presentation as part of a course. It occurred to me that Hitler and the Nazis will never really be defeated until the perversion of the symbolism of the swastika is reversed and the swastika returned to its former status as a symbol of hope and renewal, not just in some countries but world wide..
Religious symbols have unfortunately been misused by different groups in the past. See what the Europeans did to Natives of America in the name of Christ and Cross. Probably more millions were wiped out than the Jews by the Nazis. Can the natives ever think of the Cross as a symbol of benevolence or love? And how did Islam spread except by the sword protected by the Crescent ? We Indians who have faced Muslim threat for 800 years in India- can we ever think of it as a sign of peace or love?
Compared to them. the Swastic symbol was misused by a mentally unstable leader on the basis of an ill-founded theory.for a short period. Now, that theory has been exploded and the leader is shown to be a mad cap.No negative thought should be attached to the Swastic as such for the doings of a mad fellow.
Even so, it is a fact that the Jews suffered enormously- and that fairly recently. Like us Hindus, Jews have also suffered at the hands of both Muslims and Christians. We should not offend them in any manner.
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The swastic symbol is suppose to be originally Aryan. It is said that this group almost certainly came from the same mother-source in South-Western Asia as the German and Slavonic gruops. From this same center also another stream flowed south-eastwards, bifurcating so as to give rise to the Iranian group in the south and the Hindu group in the East. They’re classed together under the designation of the Aryan. The term Aryan is the name by which both the Hindu people and the Iranian people alike are spoken of in their respective scriptures, namely , in the Vedas and the Zendavesta. I beleive this symbol of Swastica is purely Arayan product.
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we have a conversation in these days at my home in India (Goa) with a traditional silk weaver from the South India. i called him to promote his art and asked him to weave different designs. He made magnificient pieces and four with swastika. i was disturbed but wanted to over go my turbolence and shared with indian friends. A switzerland friend purcheased one of the woven pieces with swastika. today the weaver reache again with another piece and along with him i am roaming in intenet to find if we can reclaim the swastica using the one with the arm rotating in opposite directions. what is your suggestion? can i send you a picture of the silk pieces? shall i encourage the weaver to weave again? chandra
Even though that the swastika was supposed to symbolise spiritual victory as you claim, it still leaves a scar, a reminder of what horror the Nazis and it counterparts done to more than 60 million innocent people, seeing the swastika a symbol for evil as they die.
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There were many reasons that the swastika was chosen by the Nazi party, one of which is the fact that they frequently used stylized Germanic runes for their propaganda and military insignia. If you look at the swastika with the arms rotating as they do on the Nazi flag it looks highly similar to the ancient Germanic rune for the letter “n” so they used a stylized runic “n” just s they used a stylized runic “s” to compose the SS insignia. Also in Germanic culture the swastika was not the symbol that it is portrayed to be on this site it was the ancient symbol of the god of thunder, Thor. They used all of the symbols they did to promote ancient Germanic pride, the swastika was an unfortunate casualty.
Swastika is a energy pattern
Spirit in humans is the pattern that represents the connection in my ancient building design practice
Peoples of today are not guided by spirit but gain
The ancient tradtion expresses ancient mystery schools using the swastika for Energy transforming into matter the 5 arts of music , dance , poetry, sculpture , & architecture
Mayan was the world teacher of this symbology going back over 15,000 years ago & traditonal architects known As Vishwakarmans create Sacred Geometry through the building & architecture of the swastika . Known as langala in the Vaastu Shastras
Breathe into your spirit!
i agree to reclaimthe swastikabecause it was a sybmol for peace, luck, life, love and light!
Down with the nazis!
More details on the Svastica (swastica) The four dots on the inner part of the SVASTICA represents the four spiritual order AND the four outer joint Hyphen represents the four social order the spiritual order, namely, Brahmachari, Grehastra, Vanaprast, and Sanyasa—-and the four social order is: Brahmana, meaning Intercultural, Kshatria, Administrative/worrier class, Visha, the mercantile class, and Sudra, the laborer class.—–All are classified according to their work or occupation, as clearly explained in the Gita.
The cast brahmans are unqualified people who later on claimed to be brahmans by birth and not by qualification
Svastica is a sanskrit word wrongly spelt swastica.
Sv, meaning the spirit self and astica meaning eight, the eight division of human society classified by their occupation as mentioned above. Also Aryan is a Sanskrit word and not a race of people called Aryans. Any one who attains spiritual perfection is called an Aryan. The word Aryan is an adjective—-The Europeans are the ones who fabricated the idea of an Aryan race.
Indian spiritual culture is the most unique with the most powerful scientific philosophy.
I was raised and educated as a diehard Christian—-In my late 20′s I curiously looked into my ancestor’s tradition and was surprised of what I found which held the answer to my many questions so much so I EMBRACED it. I am now a full fledge vishnava.
However, regarding the Swastica, The correct spelling in sanskrit is: svasticl, sv, meaning the spiritual self and astica means eight—-the symbol means the four Varna and four Ashrama which is the VARNASHRAM DHARMA—-representing the four social and spiritual order.
The enduring symbol of the greatest evil visited on mankind in the past 100 years is the swastika. Irregardless of it’s history, it’s meaning, it’s other uses, the swastika was (and still is in use as) the symbol of the Nazi’s. Just as the fasces is bound to the Fascists, and the Confederate flag is tied to slavery, the swastika is burned into our social and cultural conscience as one of history’s greatest evils, Nazism. Sorry, but you have another thousand years or so before the swastika is purged of the evil it is stained with. You can blame the “uneducated”, the “unenlightened”, the “unspiritual”, whatever. It was the Nazi’s that perverted and defiled your symbol beyond repair, at least for the next several lifetimes. There are many fool’s errands out there…”rehabilitating” the swastika certainly ranks as one of the highest. Wear your swastika, wear it proudly, celebrate it’s meaning! But as long as the Nazi’s fester in our conscience, you aren’t going to change hearts and minds.
Hello,
My name is Mark Salden from Belgium, and i’m a graduating student at the Academie for fine arts and design in Maastricht (the Netherlands)
this year i made a bookcase in the form of a swastika. i wanted to let the people know it’s NOT a symbol of hatred and nazism but love and peace. even if it is through provocation.The colors and design are inspired by the Dutch artist Piet Mondriaan. He was a member of Theosophy wich is a ‘modern’ version of hinduism and buddhism, a culture that today,stil uses the swastika. i got many positive, but also negative, reactions but i will stand my ground!
best regards,
Mark Salden
I was recently given a silver swastika along with all the other members of my meditation group by our spiritual teacher, which I wear. For me it represents our spiritual journey, along our guided path back to Heaven. May we embrace the symbolism of this most sacred spiritual emblem and in doing so promote peace within ourselves and others. In choosing peace we reclaim and remember our way back Home. May God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit guide us along the way.
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interesting, but we’ve seen way worse murderers and oppression than anything the Nazis could conjure up with early American history.
I appreciate what you are trying to do. In the abstract, I love the concept. I love other cultures and their religions. I resent the Nazis for taking a symbol that wasn’t theirs. But, I am Jewish. My grandpa was in a concentration camp. His family died there. He still has a number tattooed on his arm. Swastikas make me feel ill, just looking at them. In my world, and the world of so many others, swastikas will never loose this meaning. I am not ignorant about it’s original meanings, it’s just too tainted for me to be able to see past. If you were in my shoes, I doubt you could see past it either. Especially as it’s still used as a sign for neo-nazis today. I’m sorry that this beautiful, ancient symbol has been corrupted, but when I see a person with one on a tattoo or a flag, all I see is death, destruction, and my grandpa’s tears.
Dear Sir,
yor website enlightens everyone and I stand by the lines where SWASTIKA is maligned by half minded persons.I have started a news cum ALL-IN-ONE webiste and a SPIRITUAL COLUMN is also designated in it.
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sai prasad
The link, Reclaimtheswastika.com is noe posted on my web … LL&R
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As the ‘cycles’ continue – ‘all is well’. It’s a choice in seeing. Half the world see’s it one spin, or other, while the other half see’s it , or understands it opposite. So again, is the balance of life. For some, it’s natural, for others it is painful. Let us have a deeper seeing and understanding. The swastika (different art of China – for instance) displayed the swastika with the mind as agitated/spinning wild. The other print displays the swastika/mind at rest. May light and peace prevail!
Hi Dave,
Great. Thanks for linking to the website.
We don’t offer any banners as such. Just add a plain HTML link:
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I Agree the Swastika Must be Reclaimed
For the Forces of Good
If the Nazis had used a crucifix, would we have banned them, too. We need to reclaim this symbol of good from its brief (albeit horrible) misuse so many decades ago.
Well Considered Comment Filipe Silva
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Thank you for your website. For a long time i’ve been interested in the power of symbols, the auspicious swastika among them, and i totally agree that, even though nazism had obviously more serious consequences, the defilement of the swastika and the refusal to address it is a long-term victory of nazism that must not endure. All the best to you and your work. Whenever enlightenment is promoted, violence is defeated, step by step. All Shall Be Well.
Very interesting site. I enjoyed reading all the thoughts and comments. Good luck with your efforts with the Swastika.
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Ebay is a great resource for Pre-war Swastika relics – such as early 20th century good luck tokens.
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8 yrs old Traumatized for drawing Hindu Swastik by a Teacher in America
A formal complaint is pending since Dec. 9, 2012 against the Principle, Counselor and the teacher Aid with the appropriate authorities. It is our sincere appeal to the community that they should send their support for the 8 yrs old via e-mail under the heading “Dec 4 Swastik Incident” to Middlesex County Executive School Superintendent Samuel Stewart’s Secretary Debra Hudson 732 249 2900 press 1 + Ext 3425 E-mail at (debbie.hudson@doe.state.nj.us).
Since Middlesex County is home to a large Hindu population; community must demand that all Educators in Middlesex County Schools must be educated about Hindu Religious Symbols keeping in mind that Hinduism is practiced by almost 1 Billion people around the world.
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Yes, I completely agree, this is a beautiful powerful symbol, it appears even in ancient Slavic and other cultures and should not be banned thanx to Nazis, it deserves healing and cleaning.
Indeed The Swastika Belongs to Decency
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Future for the Swastika as a Symbol of Good
Great site, and I’m glad that so many people agree that such a fundamental symbol should not be allowed to reside in the ownership of intolerant people.
Reclaim the Swastika.
Reclaim the Swastika Yes
So the Swastika can be Displayed with Pride
in the Present and the Future in Support of
Goodness
Reclaim It!
I Throughly Agree the Swastika is an Ancient
Symbol of Good
The word “swastika” comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix. The swastika literally means “to be good”.
WE SHOULD NOT LET THE NAZI MISREPRESENTATION OF THE SYMBOL DEFAME INDIAN RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL SYMBOLS. THE NAZI STOLE IT AND IT IS NOT THEIRS AND WILL NEVER BE THEIR RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL SYMBOL.
@Prem – Thanks.
It was interesting reading everyone’s comments, but I get too much daily email in general.
What a great website! I’ve long thought that to finally bury the obscenity that was Adolf Hitler and the Nazi killing machine, we as a united and informed world must reclaim the swastika for ourselves. Every day that the swastika is considered a symbol of evil is another day that the evil psychopath holds us in his power and his corruption is seeded in our psyches.
Sorry, W. Walker, but I love the idea that schools are teaching this to their children. Ignorance and hate go hand in hand.
Recently, a 4th grade teacher posted students’ drawings of swastikas on the hallway bulletin board. There was no commentary, nor caveat. She said they were merely symbols of “good luck.” To me they were symbols of hate, reprehensible symbols. I asked the principal to remove them; however, he wouldn’t. I said that I could not work at that site as long as the symbols remained. Their presence created a hostile work environment for me. The District office did not respond to my inquiries. Consequently, I was terminated for the “abandonment” of my job.
Hi Arlo,
Sorry – the email subscriptions module has had a few issues. We’ll be changing it to a new system soon. In the meantime, I’ll manually remove you.
Thanks,
Prem
The email unsubscribe does not work for me, how about for others?
Interesting Information upon the Sacred and
Holy Swastika
The Swastika is Indeed Associated with the
Supreme Hence the Principle of a British
Holy Swastika Symbolising Christ’s Victory
over Death
please no one should relate swastika with “yantras”. swastika is a good symbol. swastika is an auspicious sign of good luck. its mainly used in shrines & temples.
yantras are magic items created by few mad SAGES . and thats why “atharvaveda” is not given importance by god.
if any use swastika with yantras and use it as a “shortcut” or magic item.. it looses its natural charm. SWASTIKA IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUPREME.
its useless to ” lay a claim” and point fingure at each other. this symbol has been used by bhuddist monks long ago. balooch are most welcome they have good feelings about it. they must also know that it is pious and sacred. jeleousy and hatred are not the ways to claim, but love and brotherhood are ..
swastika is the symbol of peace,good luck and prosperity.
Cosmology and the Swastika
Like e.g. the serpent, the swastika crystallizes fundamental principles relating to natural universal processes and their relationship to terrestrial life and was designed to evoke an intuitive or emotional response rather than an intellectual understanding.
As the serpent is the symbol of the creative, energizing force of the Supreme Spirit, the swastika is representative of that life-force being set in motion to initiate the cyclic workings of nature. Both images are thus closely inter-related.
The ancient Vedic seers described the original cosmic creative process as `the churning of the milky ocean’ whereby fields of subtle substance become condensed into gross matter; a view that is now widely accepted today in energy-field physics research.
This `churning’ is represented geometrically in Tantric ritual as a four armed cross within a circle and the cross is meant to be imagined as oscillating backwards and forwards as in a churning motion. The forward movement clockwise is towards evolution while the anti-clockwise movement is towards dissolution. The circle represents the universe in its potential un-manifested state prior to creation and is called in Hinduism `Brahmanda’. The Aryas also believe that the universe periodically dissolves and is then re-created. The period between dissolution and re-creation is known as `Pralaya’, a time of rest between creative periods. A period of creativity is called `Manvantara’ and both periods (i.e. creation and dissolution) constitute a `Kalpa’ or a cycle of creation. The dissolutionary process due to the inevitable pull of gravity and a slowing down of the expanding evolutionary process has been labelled by Western cosmologists as `the big crunch’. The entire creative process is again more descriptively labelled by the Aryas as `the breathing out of Brahma’ (the Creator in the Hindu Trinity) while the dissolutionary process is seen as `the breathing in of Brahma’. This cyclic process of cosmic, periodic, involution, evolution and dissolution is symbolized by the forward and backward movement of the cross.
The four arms of the cross are known as `the four arms of Vishnu’, the Supreme Deity in Vedic times who later became the `preserver’ in the Hindu Trinity. Vishnu’s role is to maintain order, balance, and cohesion throughout the created universe. This is the `mystic cross’ which later found its way into all religions with certain modifications as the Egyptian Cross, the Chinese Tau, the Cross of the Rosicrucians and the Christian cross.
The created is sustained by continual opposition between two forces, i.e. attraction and repulsion which act and react via a process of flux that is mirrored in the activity of all nature from the breathing of plants, the action of the human lungs, bio-rhythms, the flow of energy in a dynamo, to the expansion and contraction of the Earth itself.
It is the oscillating motion of the cross within the circle which symbolizes that opposition between positive evolutionary forces and negative dissolutionary forces that give birth to the swastika in both its configurations, i.e. right-angled or left-angled.
The whole of creation is bound by this principle and by the ultimate balancing of these two polarities, `well-being’ that is an ideal state without conflict, may be achieved. On a personal level, this ideal condition, as any individual knows, may at its best be only a sometimes thing during the course of day to day living. The point of eventual neutrality or perfect balance between the two forces, is equilibrium — thereby no existing conflict between negative and positive. If it were to become an actual consistent condition, the very purpose of life itself (which is innately felt by most individuals as growth towards an ideal or perfection, or total `order’) would be pointless and the evolutionary process would cease to be of significance. The cross at rest symbolizes that final perfect balance or equilibrium — Pralaya.
On Siva temple throughout India the right-angled swastika is ever present which indicates the transforming and evolutionary aspect which Lord Siva represents in Hindu philosophy.
To this day, I am still a firm believer of true meanings of all symbols, even as an outsider. The swastika is especially no exception.
It saddens me and angers me greatly that human beings of the Western countries still perceive this symbol of prosperity as a symbol of evil and bigotry, no thanks to the efforts of a single broken man who may or may not have been an evil incarnation of myself.
Wounds are meant to be treated, not left to fester for everyone to see and be repulsed at. I KNOW that is not easy for many survivors to take in, but this mortal plane of men cannot be a theater of agony, suffering and bigotry for so long. Peace must endure in its purest form, and with it must come mutual understanding of our forefathers’ past mistakes and sins, and build a better future out of it.
We see big hand, heart and open mind
They have better vision for mankind.
The siddha swastika temple in Dvarka
Why the siddha swastika temple in dvarka ?
Dvarka means door to salvation and swastika be always at the Door.
The Dvarka Gujarat India is one of the holiest hindu four divine sites [chardham] and one of the seven Puri.
We build a temple in the shapes of swastika on 90,000 sq.ft. land. Arms are 180 ft. long With 116 columns height 22 ft and construction area 33,000 sq.ft. Cost Rs.10 cr. Over vision reclaim the swastika for harmony.
Shree siddha swastika society is dedicated this task.
Researching the History & Present of India I
am Pleased to find out that Bihar uses the
Swastika upon it’s Seal indeed 2 Swastikas
by the Bodhi Tree
It is Splendid that Bihar the place of so much
Indian History makes Usage of the Noble
Swastika in it’s Seal
Good Points about the Noble Swastika
subesingh yadav
INVITATION
Ready – to – use concepts for the swastika
The swastika image of spiritual victory
The swastika an ancient extremely powerful symbol that has been used for over 7000 years and continues to be so for hundreds of millions people today.
The swastika has been used in practically every culture around the world for as long as documentation has been available with all positive meanings.
Universal love, Good luck, Divine light, Eternal life,
Prosperity, Peace, Fertility, Inner strength, Charms.
many sign of good harmony and usage on products also architecture….. Including GOD
power of swastika name
• Your first name of Swastika has given you a quick-minded, sensitive nature.
• It gives you a creative ability in art, music, singing, or drama and an appreciation for refined surroundings.
• Your sociable nature expresses affection, kindness, and thoughtfulness to the extent that it is difficult for you not to be affected by others and governed by your emotions, rather than by logic and reason.
• As you respond to love and encouragement from others, your romantic and dreamy nature can easily lead you into love affairs.
Swastika – A Symbol of Auspicious Knowledge
Swastika sign of soul
Om Swasti N~indro Vradhashravaha, Swasti Naha Pusha Vishvavedaha |
Swasti Nastakshryo~aristanemihi, Swasti No Brihaspatirdadhatu ||
This sacred hymn of the Yajur-veda is a swastivachana – a prayer, an ardent aspiration, for the highest good and well-being of all beings, of everything, of the whole universe…. Heart-felt chanting of this hymn is an integral part of initiating every religious sacrament or important familial ceremony in the vedic cultural rituals. It conveys the core meaning hidden in the vedic symbol of swastika. The term swastikaemanates from the Sanskrit word swasti = su (good) + asti (being).
Many more aspects of knowledge, deeper meanings and philosophical teachings and feelings and effects might have been folded in the distinctive and comprehensive design of swastika. But at the core of it lies the spirit of auspiciousness and well-being of every individual, every family, society, nation, and the whole creation. It therefore continues to be of universal significance and reverence. What is required is that we grasp its implications and adapt them in all walks of life. Let the auspicious sentiments and teachings encoded in the swastika be expressed in our aspirations, thoughts and deeds. Let swastika not only be worshipped in our shrines, let it also be enshrined in our hearts and minds as the spirit and light of saintly sentiments, knowledge and wisdom.
We have 5000 different images of the swastika major religions just like Hindu, Jain, Buddha, Jews, Christian, Islam, Shinto and Bahia in 80 countries of the world.
We see big hand, heart and open mind
They have better vision for mankind.
The siddha swastika temple in Dvarka
Why the siddha swastika temple in dvarka ?
Dvarka means door to salvation and swastika be always at the Door.
The Dvarka is one of the holiest hindu four divine sites [chardham] and one of the seven Puri.
We build a temple in the shapes of swastika on 90,000 sq.ft. land. Arms are 180 ft. long With 116 columns height 22 ft and construction area 33,000 sq.ft. Cost Rs.10 cr. Over vision reclaim the swastika for harmony.
Evadence cannot solve anything hard work is the only way.
Shree siddha swastika society is dedicated this task.
Who is the shree siddha swastika society ?
A community that helps men lead great lives
Energy of swastika
We found experts have identified the energy on the scale of Bovis [ in the name of french scientist Mr.Bovis ] as under.
Energy of healthy human being…….+ 6500 Bovis
Different Chakras in body……………+ 6500 to 16000 Bovis
Red flower………………………………+ 6500 Bovis
Ringing of the church bell emits……+ 11000 Bovis
Call from the east facing Mosque…..+ 12000 Bovis
Tibetan prayer wheel emits ………….+12000 Bovis
Aum symbol…………………………….+ 100 000 Bovis
Hitler swastika tilted to 45 degree…..+ 1000 Bovis
Swastik…………………………………..+ 100 00 00 Bovis
The Swastika is a Positive Symbol of Faith Good
Luck and Culture
hello, may I use some of the information on your site in my blog? I will quote your site as reference.
Does your Symbolism article actually imply that the left facing Swastika is somehow negative? it s used in many cultural and religious beliefs including Japanese Buddhism, please tell me if I’m just confused.
Well Robert, Thanks for your comments. It would be highly appreciated if a debate based on logic, arguments and proofs be started on “Claim of balochs”.
Noori Baloch
Well Done to Balochs in Claiming the Swastika
as their Ancient National Symbol
It would be Splendid to see a Balochistan Flag
Proudly Bearing the Swastika Flying
I Treasure my Flag of Air Training Wing of the
Finnish Air Force with Swastika upon so
Long Live the Swastika for the Present and the
Future
Apparently there is a Gilgit Baltistan Flag
with the Swastika upon
BALOCHS CLAIM THE SIGN SWASTIKA AS THEIR ANCIENT NATIONAL SIGN
Balochs claim SWASTIKA as their ancient national Sign for the following reasons but arguments based on recent research proudly conducted by young baloch historians/scholars:
AN OVERVIEW:
The most ancient Civilization (MEHRGARH) According to Mr Jarriage (1974-85 George Weber: Article) it was the most developed civilization of its time. these are nearly 9000 to 11000 old ruins situated in Balochistan near Bolan river,where the Sign SWASTIKA was found on excavated potteries.
Balochistan is the mother land of ancient civilizations.Mr. Jarriage says that ” the area of Balochistan was the home land of ancient primary settlement of mankind.The mounds are also described the social, political, fiscal, religious, cultural, and anthhropological information about the ancient society of the area. Any big city like Harrapa and Mohenjodaro in Punjab and Sindh (Pakistan) not discovered here, but all mounds are correspondent the ancient and beginning village system. No doubt the village system began from Balochistan than extended in other countries.
The pre historic ruins explained a long story, but this story is not well defined by the Experts. In other countries the ruins of ancient big cities with a large number of objects have discovered in which all the socity defined very well, so every one has all information about them like ruins of Harrapa, Mohenjodaro, Kali Bhangan (Wheeler : 1997) ruins of ancient bablonia, ruins of jordan and Egypt and many other international sites. But the information about the mostly ruins of Balochistan are scanty, because of many reasons like;
i.These ruins are most ancient than the neighbour countris.
ii. The lack of research and excavation.
iii. The all researchdone by foriegn experts.
iv. On national and regional basis people have no information about these and many other sites in Balochistan.
BUT……………
Now after the exploration and excavation of mound of Mehrgarh and observing signs and pictures on the pottries of Mehrgarh, the young Baloch Historians/ Scholers Claim that the Sign of Swastika belongs to Baloch Culture and civilization
They argue that the world connects the SWASTIKA to the Arians, BUT…….. Remember that as per the Historical fact known by evry historian and student of the History, the Arians entered in this dynasty after 1600 BC, when major part of the ancient culture of balochistan was ended. point to be noted that the o objects bearing the sign of SWASTIKA found from Mehrgarh are 5000 to 9000 years oild, which proves that the SWASTIKA dose not belong to Arians but they opted it from Mehrgarh and afterward it became famous as Arian sign.
Beside SWASTIKA the other signs observed on the objects found from Mehrgarh very boldly connects the cultural of Mehrghar to the present cultural of Baloch Nation.
Debate is open to all historians/ Students of the history, Scholers to reject the Baloch’s Claim or to accept the fact that SWASTIKA is a pure Baloch sign which was lost and now found back.
This is an introductory text to the debate. While debate opens the proves to effect would be provided on demand.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
LONG LIVE BALOCHISTAN.
NOORI BALOCH.
QUETTA BALOCHISTAN
Indeed People should be Proud of their
Culture and Ancestry
The Swastika should be Freely Displayed
and is whatever anyone says a Symbol of
Good and Virtue
I Hope that comes a Time when the Swastika
is No Longer Demonised and I am All for the
Display of the Swastika including upon
Flags
To Interfere with the Swastika is to Interfere
with Cultural Religious and Human Rights
Their has been too much Anti Germanism
The Hammer and the Sickle has been More
the Symbol of Suffering to many including
Today in the ” Peoples Republic of China ”
where both Chinese and Tibetan People Suffer
Wow, people seem to be forgetting that the swastika for Germany was created to help bring the Germans together when the need was greatest!! Hitler did this and the country was unified and millions of people were put back to work under one symbol, the swastika. I am married to a German, my son is half German. I was stationed in Germany for 5 years not long ago, German people are angry that they cannot be proud of their history as americans are even they I, as an american have a very brutal history as do every other country. Germany just LOST thats all. Im proud to be carrying my extended family’s memorabilia’s in the open and I display the swastika open in my home regardless of who it makes uncomfortable. Grow up! Get over it. The russians were far more vicious if you do your history people. Let the germans have their history and be proud people again, Im proud to be white so should they!
In my openion swastik and magic square are pair not saprate , i just made a Man size magic square 64×64 pdf , 5 feet , used nos, 4096 , this is not a simple thing to keep in memory put them .
When the Swastika is Openly Flown in the
World as Befits it’s Cultural Religious Heritage
the World will be a Better Place
Swastika Symbol of Peace and Good Luck
The National Socialists are Gone Thankfully but
May the Swastika Live On
Indeed the Swastika was an Ancient Symbol
and it should be a Symbol of the Present and
the Future
One Terrible Regime does Not Change the
Fact that the Swastika was a Symbol of
Good Luck and Peace
Millions Suffered under the Hammer and Sickle
but Yet the Hammer and Sickle
is Not so Demonised
Future to the Swastika
Native Americans used the symbol as well!! I thought it symbolized god to them!! I think the Hebrews used the symbol as well I thought that was why the Nazi’s used it to throw it on their face!!
Sure it’s an ancient symbol.
But symbols are about communicating shared meaning. For half the world it is evocative of mass murder, racism and tremendous suffering and conflict.
The swastika was a key part of Nazi iconography, and this aspect of the symbol’s use should not be swept under the carpet. Their actions should not be forgotten, and thier imagery should not be sanitized, don’t you think?
Indeed
The Swastika in it’s Original Meaning of
a Symbol of Good Luck and Peace is something
to be Rightfully Proud of.
Future for the Swastika
It’s just a shape. If you want to be offended by a symbol that’s connected to genocide and intolerance, try a cross.
Dear María Castro
I Agree about the Swastika
being Symbol of Victory of Good over Evil.
Existing for Many Hundreds and Thousands of
Years before the National Socialist Disaster
One Hopes that the Swastika will Exist for a
Long Time preferably Eternity
It is with Pride that I Use my Swastika Designs
showing the Swastika in a Positive Light
The swastik is the symbol of victory, the victory of the Universal Conscience, the victory of spiritualism. It has nothing to do with Hitler’s macabre plan.
Good Efforts Ramavtar khemkak in Putting
Up those Videos on You Tube
no one know about Four Bindu (spot) Of Swastik . Writter know all There fore surch google Chautisa Darshan and look Position of Swastik Bindu s liv
e cast with action proff .
The symbol of god is well known. It is only expected of the dark side should try and gain some light. If you are one who truly believes, and lives buy gods laws, he will bless you.
Just invented . Look videos regarding Swastik & Chautisa Yantra surch on youtube Swastik darshan and Chautisa Darshan , more Thanks
Ramavtar Khemka go search for Yahoo Mail
set up a Yahoo Mail Account and then go
look on google for yahoogroups and either
under Government & Politics or Religion & Beliefs
a Swastika Group could be Set Up
I have found that Swastik is a Positive Power as like the god.Actually Swastik is a four Direction Theroum.I File it patent application no. 2179/Del/2011.
i Know How to make useful (Daily use not in picture) Swastik.
I have made a Swastik Paper Device attached with binary.
Swastik Knowlledge not possible to explain in Lectures.
I wish to Show it on the site in video shape.
Plzz comments if you like
Helo Robert…Please Provide me link where i put my informartion regarding swastik.
My investigation regarding swastik is so wide and i also research on this Swatik Past 25 years.
I have many information and My purpose is to spread this knowledge all over the world.I also fiind a Patner who join me as a Partner gratuitously or non gratuiously manner.
Any interesting Person also contact me.
Please reply me as soon as poosible.
Thanks
Ramavtar Khemka
Khemka_ramavtar@rediffmail.com
Mob No. 9988775238 (India)
Dear Ramavtar Khemkaka
It would be Good to see this Information
Have You thought of setting Up a Swastika
Heritage Group on Yahoo to show this
Information ?
I have 1000 Pages of swastik knowledge, i wish to upload this sight for Public please provide me the space in audio & video. Please reply very soon. thanks
Very good
Well Done to those Promoting the Swastika in
a Positive Light.
On my Part I have Designed Flags for Societies
with Swastikas upon and have Designed a
British Holy Swastika in the Colours Red White
and Blue the Colours of the British Flag to
Symbolise the Holy Trinity and Christ’s Victory
over Death
This Holy Swastika can be also be Used by
Hindus Jains and Buddhists in the UK as
the Swastika is a Sacred Symbol to these
Religions as Well
Perhaps there might be Swastika Jewellery made
again to Promote the Swastika in a Positive
Light
OUTUNE
SWATIKA DARSHAN VIDEO AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE PLEASE SEARCH FOLLOWING SITE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUuOyZB6tSA
I believe in this, actually in the Philippines, we have similar symbol to this one and I came about it when I mixed our baybayin ( old writing system together). I am writing this down because I was so amazed to read articles supporting my new symbol ( tao= halaman + hayop/ tao-halaman=hayop/tao-hayop=halaman), and this symbol is the symbol of tao in baybayin form. Now I am not afraid to write more of this
More power!
Namaste
Indeed
Not only must We who Understand that the
Swastika is a Symbol of Good Not Evil Resolutely
Oppose any Ignorant and Totalitarian Bans of
the Swastika which are an Act of Bigotry we
must seek to Challenge Historical Ignorance
in the West by Promotions of the Swastika so
the Swastika returns to the same Acceptibility
that it had in the West before the National
Socialist Regime
Also strive to Remind People in the West of the
Evil Atrocities committed by the Soviet Union
Pol Pots Cambodia and the Peoples Republic
of China under the Hammer and Sickle
This is a Matter of Civil Religious and Heritage
Rights
Yes I learned swastika is symbol of power , can recharge your energy by releasing your mind connected
to macro power by yoga.
A Few Exhibitions on the History of the Swastika
Before and After National Socialism would be
a Good Idea together with The Making of
Promotional Items
The Swastika should be Able to be Used for
Religious and Cultural Purposes as well as
Scholarly Research across the World
Very Correct about what Happened under the
Hammer and Sickle
The Swastika is a Symbol of Good in the
World and may this be the Case Now and
Forever
The old soviet union flag and symbol was the sickel and hammer, this symbol (the sickel and hammer) represented a regime that killed TEN TO TWELVE TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS THE ENTIRE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BETWEEN 1933 AND 1945, yet do they plan on outlawing the sickel and hammer? NO! FYI i condemn what the nazis done but you cant have a double standard by saying one evil is Ok but the other isnt. and the swastika has never represented evil even 70 years after it was first stigmatised.
Indeed the Swastika is a Symbol of Good
I have Designed a Flag for the Red Squirrel
Swastika Society
The Swastika is Part of the Heritage of Mankind
swastikas mwans non violence and peace!! those who have swastika symbol in their houses in india practises vegetarianism because mudering a chicken also a evil in their belif !!!so please all my western counterparts i request you not ban this symbol !!! thatt willl be real aryan spirit ….
A Good Site Ego Kornus
Very Informative and Well Presented
There should be Flags Designed for Various
Societies Games Societies Historical
Societies and even Wildlife Societies with
the Swastika upon so the Swastika can be
Seen in a Truer Light as a Symbol of Good
and the Stigma Associated with it because
of National Socialism can be Swept Away
If there is a Swastika Chess Society then
it can have a Flag with a Depiction of a
Chessboard and Swastikas in the Corners for
Instance
I think this blog should be on your linklist too.
Everyday a new foto of a swastika already more then 1500 entries.
Indeed we can Take the Swastika Back
from the National Socialists so it can
again have it’s Proper Place as a
Symbol of Cultural Luck
Used by many Religions in the World
The Day when the Swastika can be Flown on
Flags Un Connected with National Socialism
without Controversy is the Day when the
Swastika has been Taken Back from the
Disaster and Tragedy of the National Socialists
The Swastika is a Symbol of Good
unlike the National Socialist Regime a
Symbol of Evil
We took Europe back from the Nazis. We can take the swastika back, too.
I have invented chautisa darshan & uploaded on YOU TUBE site.in the name of capckhemka channel you tube. Please chekc & give me progress reoprt . So i can 1000 pages more of this new knowledge. Thanks Ram Avtar Khemka Ludhiana
Email ID :khemka_rashmi@rediffmail.com
The Swastika still Appears to be upon
Finnish Air Force Command Flags and
may it Remain so.
The Swastika was once widely used in
Western Europe before the National
Socialist Tragedy
The Swastika is part of the Past of Mankind
and also must be of the Present and
Future a Symbol of Light and Good Luck
Many Atrocities Occured under the Hammer
and Sickle under Stalin Mao and Pol Pot
but yet that Symbol is Not as Half as Demonised
in the West
Swastika Symbol of Light and Good Luck
Its ancient, its decent, its innocent..!!
Its cool n cute sign of peace…?
Its like dove, lets do love..!!
I love swastika. In latvian culture swastika is called Thunder cross.
I make jewelry including this ancient signs, for example with bracelet with swastika: https://www.etsy.com/listing/85098134/bracelet-beaded-ancient-latvian-signs
Everyone should be educated about the original meaning of the Swastika. Peace!
I Absolutely Agree and may the Swastika be
Used like the Dove as a Symbol of Peace in
the World
May there come a Time when the Swastika
can be Freely Used without the Stigma Attached
to it by some because of the Destructive Tragedy
of the National Socialist Regime
Swatika has been a symbol of peace for thousands of years. Just a few years of misuse of the symbol by Nazi people should not change our beliefs about this great symbol. Everyone should be educated about the original meaning of the Swastika. Peace!
The Swastika is an Ancient Cultural and
Religious Symbol
People should be able to Freely Use the
Swastika for Cultural and Religious Purposes
as the Swastika is part of the Heritage of
Mankind
The Swastika Existed long before the
National Socialist Regime and May the
Swastika Exist For Eternity
I love all of these people who know what the true meaning of the Swastika is. It has literally brightened my evening seeing all of these people who don’t instantly associate the Swastika with the Nazis but with it’s peaceful background instead.
I really hope that one day, people will know what the Swastika means and what it stands for in religion.
If you didn’t already know and are at all interested:
There’s this man on youtube, called ManWoman; his youtube channel is godmadfool he has been on a “quest” to return the Swastika to it’s former glory. He’s been doing this since 1987 I believe. I’d appreciate it if you looked at his videos, although you don’t have to.
Hopefully, we’ll get the Swastika back. ?
I love all of these people who know what the true meaning of the Swastika is. It has literally brightened my evening seeing all of these people who don’t instantly associate the Swastika with the Nazis but with it’s peaceful background instead.
I really hope that one day, people will know what the Swastika means and what it stands for in religion.
If you didn’t already know and are at all interested:
There’s this man on youtube, called ManWoman; his youtube channel is godmadfool he has been on a “quest” to return the Swastika to it’s former glory. He’s been doing this since 1987 I believe. I’d appreciate it if you looked at his videos, although you don’t have to.
Hopefully, we’ll get the Swastika back. ?
In Chicago the other week, I saw someone riding a bike with a sign being pulled behind it that said “reclaim the swastika,” I was pretty shocked, not gonna lie, but I believe everyone should be able to express their opinion. People were calling him names and giving him horrible looks. I walked up to him, having no idea what “reclaim the swastika” meant, but I told him I respected his opinion. I can’t believe how people treated him when they had no idea what he was even expressing through his sign. Ignorance and hate like that makes me sad. I hope my few words made the guy on the bike feel somewhat supported. I’m glad his sign brought me here so I could be enlightened about what the swastika truly stands for.
The Swastika, represents, air, fire earth and water, with the centre cross is spirit. and can be used with ritual magic
The Swastika, represents, air, fire earth and water, with the centre cross is spirit.
Check out the video link to my YouTube channel.
Swastika is very very old Bhartiy Symbol.
Swastika is Mantra.
Swastika use before your GOOD Work,Paper work2.
Swastika is =Kalyan=(God bless You)
AUM (OM) Swastika Namha.
This newswlink is about an airplane banner which flew over the New Jersey, New York coastline on June 23, 2012 Rehabilitate the Swastika Day.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-towing-swastika-banner-flies-manhattan-jersey-shore-article-1.1101883
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I find the human psychological fixation upon symbology fascinating, the issue of the swastika in particular.
The swastika, which is essentially the shape of a spiral, seems to occupy a very primordial space in the human consciousness, along with circles, squares, and crosses.
Am I the only one who, as a child, learning to draw, just sort of intuitively doodled the symbol without knowing the historical context?
I don’t display the swastika publicly out of respect to those who still can’t disconnect it from it’s use by the Nazis, but it really seems like a bad idea, as well as eurocentric, to me, to attempt to suppress a symbol so ingrained in the collective unconscious of humanity.
you r right but to be more exact the swastica we r talking about is with reverse oriented n i’m agreeed with all urs opinions . is a great and powerful solar symbol
Thank you for teaching us the real meaning of the swastika
Thank you for helping to enlighten others on the true origins and meaning of the beautiful swastika symbol. June 26th is international Rehabilitate the Swastika Day. Peaceful demonstrations happening all over the planet. Join in
For more info go to proswastika.org Love to you all xxxooo
“1261. jabir hussain says:
swastika is a beautiful symbol,but the topic is being used desparatly to caemoflauge and cover the illegal jewish activities around the world. be careful”
Good luck reclaiming the swastika from people like that!
swastika has been a symbol of peace and tranquility. most of its fuctioning deals with rotation of real life cycles of people, the ups and downs they encounter. its an auspicious symbol an ace with infinity
swastika is a beautiful symbol,but the topic is being used desparatly to caemoflauge and cover the illegal jewish activities around the world. be careful
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I say bring back the Swastika !!! It is a positive symbol in either direction and is used much in many countries today and weather the Jews like it or not they should shut their eyes to it and watch out their star of David don’t be taken as an evil symbol in the world like they tried to do with the cross of Jesus Christ here in America in the 1950′s. In America the Swastika was used on the checkered floor tiles of the old West and in hallways of apartment buildings in the 1900′s, so what is the big dislike about it !!!!! Jews watch yourselves, you people try to stop anything you don’t like claiming something is against your religion or personal beliefs. The Swastika to me is a good positive symbol, I never use it disrespectfully or display it as a bad intent to the Jews, I will never do that !!! If anyone would like to know, ” I do think the flag of Israel is a beautiful flag”, I will nor disrespect it !!! The new German Swastika flag was flown here in America in many places, girls and boys scout camps, Madison Square Garden, etc, so why was it good then ??? Let me say this, Germany lost the war, the victorious countries, America, England and Russia decided against Germany of keeping her Swastika flag and to wave a new design, this Germany did. Japan also lost the war against America. Japan committed the most horrifying death to millions of harmless people the world has ever seen (not Germany). Japan asked America if she can keep her “Rising Sun” flag (red disk on a white flag), America granted permission and it still waves today. Japan should have lost her flag if Germany lost hers, very unfair !!! The German Swastika represented a “re-awakening life” which is a positive thing, is it not ??? The SS and the Death Head are the Jew killing symbols, protest those !!!!!!! If America hangs a horse shoe above the doorway for good luck, and a rabbit’s foot for good luck, and the Italian red pepper for good luck, garlic for protection, why not hang the Swastika for good luck!!! I SAY BRING BACK THE SWASTIKA !!!
The word swastika came from the Sanskrit word svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote auspiciousness. It is composed of su- meaning “good, well” and asti “to be”. Suasti thus means “well-being.” The suffix -ka either forms a diminutive or intensifies the verbal meaning, and suastika might thus be translated literally as “that which is associated with well-being,” corresponding to “lucky charm” or “thing that is auspicious.”
The origins of the Swastika are unknown, all that can be said for certain is that it was used many, many thousands of years ago as a symbol of good meanings, be it health, wealth, peace, etc. and never political of course. Its Sanskrit name “Svasti” translate as “all is well” in Peru, China, India, Tibet and Scandinavia. In 1891 Edward Hulme pointed out that the early Christians adopted and used the Swastika to their own purpose centuries older then the Christian era, a symbol of early Aryan origin. During the early 1930′s in Germany it was discovered that the Prussian royal family used a swastika on its coat of arms. Its association with evil was known long before the Nazis, but the Theosophists could not decide which way pointing meant evil and which way meant good if this is true of it evil direction. In a 1909 issue of the “Theosophical Review” , Mr. H.E. Green attempted to settle this……”There is some differences of opinion as to the direction the cross is supposed to be turning, which ever way is considered to be correct in drawing the cross to represent goodness, its opposite way will represent evil. Mr. Green noted that if the arms of the cross is shown turning anti-clockwise it would represent the divine order of things, and this is the direction chosen by the Nazis and the Nazis taken it to represent a “re-awakening life” all for themselves. The Nazis were NOT award that any evil may be represented by its direction, no one thought this as it was ALWAYS a good, positive symbol in either direction and so it remains a good symbol today, it is not associated with any evil !!!
To Shiloh: I agree with you, raise the swastika up high again. Let it shine bright for its original intentions for all people to understand and hope for. The Nazis did not create or use it (the hooked cross) as or for an evil symbol, it was a symbol for a “Re-awakening Life” and only that. It was the victors of World War II that branded it as a swastika, a symbol of hate and death, that is wrong and the people of America must be taught the difference. The symbol for the hate, death and murder of Jews is the SS and its symbol, the Death Head (something like the pirate’s Jolly Roger). Now did you forget the Christian’s cross, the so called “cross of Jesus Christ” and how it was used in America? The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) burned it to terrorize and intimidate the negro (black) people among others and how many died from this roving gang of haters!!! Burning the Christian cross for terror, to display hate and cause death!!! So because of this do we discontinue the cross from Christianity, ban its use and place in churches or hanging from ones neck on a chain? NO !!!. So if the Christian cross is still used as a symbol of hope, protection, salvation and during prayers then why not the swastika and hooked cross to be just as worthy for the reasons it was created for ???
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It was used as close as anyone can tell first by the Neolithic people,also the Pagan Bronze Age people during the same period.And then many many others along through time,..up till the Nazis got hold of it.
To those who say the Swastika came into being in India are wrong.It was used waaay back in time,by the Vikings,by so many other cultures as well.Not just the East Indian people.
I am one of those who believe that we should reclaim this beautiful symbol from it’s cruel reputation,and be able to wear it in pride once again.To let people know that we believe in peace,prosperity,and joy.Not death and murder-Genocide.
To Dave Peters: And what does the Lord require of all men… “To act justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly”. Jesus did not find a new religion, he was disgusted with those around him, the white man, the black man, his own damned Jews and there sinful living. What Jesus push to accomplished was for all men to live with better moral values. Before then, then, now and into the future……There has been no man without sin, no not one, ever !!!
ever since god made the white man they are linked with the most evils on earth’world wars 1and2..atomic bombs etc dont forget slavery
ever since god made the white man they are linked with the most evils on earth
Hitler was a Lord King of Jews, His intention to crucify Jews to push Jews from Europe to Jews homeland Jerusalem (Israel). If Hitler didn’t crucify Jews then Jews wouldn’t have left to Homeland Israel. Swastika means symbol of Lord Vishnu Chakra. Check http://www.swastik.org/hitler.htm
Hitler was a Lord King of Jews, His intention to crucify Jews to push Jews from Europe to Jews homeland Jerusalem (Israel). If Hitler didn’t crucify Jews then Jews wouldn’t have left to Homeland Israel. Swastika means symbol of Lord Vishnu Chakra. Check http://www.swastik.org/hitler.htmHitler was a Lord King of jews, His intenction to crucfy Jews
The German hooked cross, Hakenkreuz, better known in America as Swastika was used before Hitler joined any existing party after World War I. It eventually was adapted to face forward and at times rotated and Hitler decided on the coloring of it for his party symbol. It eventually became Germany’s new flag and it represented: a “Re-awakening Life” and was not a hate or evil symbol. Germany awoke from the destroyed position in was in from the Versailles Treaty signed after surrendering and from further harassment from France, etc. Germany awoke, the country became the first to pull itself out of the great depression, out doing the victors of the war, America and England. The German people picked themselves up, out doing every country in the world and Germany became the ‘Heart of Europe”. America and England became highly jealous, Germany pulls out of the League of Nations and stands on her own feet !!! The German hooked cross, a symbol of a re-awakening life !!!
The Swastika, is the original symbol of the Aryans: Indians who follow the Sanatan Dharma (the original term for the Hindu religion meaning the The path of truth).
To be frank there have been worse genocides before and since the Holocaust and no one mentions then. And anyway, not that I’m in the slightest bit pro-Arab, but lets face facts the behaviour of the Israelis in Gaza is no different to the Nazi.
I’m a Hindu, not a Nazi or a racist, and I couldn’t give two tiny shits whether people get offended, the swastika is my identity dating back to before any religion of the old testament, before the buddha, before Egypt, Greece or any other European or Middle Eastern civilisation, it defines my Hindu roots, which as you know in country with over 33% Muslims (and counting) is very important, and I will continue to wear it with pride.
“swastika” is just a word. If it conjures up a lot of negative sentiment, then it’s time to change words. Which is more important – the word or the “idea”?
First if you want to reclaim the swastika you should put it on your web site the way it always been in the past before being inverted and miss-used and still miss-used by Nazi followers. That might be the first thing to do as a picture worth a 1000 words. The want you placed on your web site will attract nazi lovers.
The swastika was a popular good luck symbol for 5 thousand years.The nazis only used for 10 years before the war was over.
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Exonerating the Swastika from Hitler : a Painting ; at (search) Battle Lines on Facebook ! -Adroit Sojourn
There is a Painting , at (search) Battle Lines on Facebook , that Exonerates the Swastika from Hitler ! -Adroit Sojourn
It is Lord Max Muller who first invented the idiotic Aryan Race theory and used it to project European white people’s dominance as it was needed at that time to justify European colonial rule( no, am not against any European white people.)It also gave justification to idiot Pre-Nazi German historians to link vedas with German white people and hence Aryan Supremancy. This made the idiot Hitler to steal Swastika from Hinduism and use it as his bloody Nazi party. WE, Indian Hindus never never supported any kind of Genocides in the name of Race or religion. In fact, our sacred Vedas chant ‘Lokha Sarvaa Sukhinobhavantoo’ when translated means ” Let the whole world be at peace”. This was written long before any Human rights were declared in UNO. Swastika is for Humanity. It is collective mistake of European Historians of Nazi times to support Aryan Race and hence help Nazis pervert the sacred Swastika.
The reality is.. millions of innocent men women and children.. all my relatives.. were burned to death over this symbol. We cannot change that.. This burning memory cannot be taken out of our memory.. nor should it. It is what it is. There’s nothing to take back. There’s no one to bring back. They’re all gone thanks to the nazis. Bringing back a symbol will not bring back lost love, it will only remind us of those robbed of their lives. I don’t ever want to see this symbol. It brings up so many difficult emotions.. for what? This symbol has come to represent the worst humanity has ever dared. It can’t be changed, nor should it. It should remain a symbol for what people can do to each other when they do not see the image of Gd’s holiness in the “other.” The damage is done. Leave it alone.
@Mike Duffy – try http://dft.ba/-swastika.
I have an old dictionary which uses the word “swawistaka” as the name of the left pointing vs the right pointing one you use. But I cannot find this word on the web. Has it fallen completely out of use?
The Swastika has been a sacred symbol for Hindus from time immemorial. Going by the logic of the people who advocate banning of the swastika, the 1st symbol that should be banned must be the ‘crescent and the star’, because it is being used by Muslim terrorists all over the world. Going a step further I would also advocate banning of the ‘cross’ that has been the symbol of the Ku Klux Klan.
I would ask that why should the Hindus suffer for no fault of theirs and feel deprived by not being allowed to use their sacred symbol when someone in the west used our symbol .
@ Sara Nolan,
Swastika is to Buddhism and Jainism as the Cross is to Christians. So tell me, how would someone feel if Christians are told to change their symbol because of what the Christians did to the world with their religion?
Swastika is still used on daily bases in South Asia, South East Asia and East Asia. That will not change, its the ignoramuses like you who speak without knowing anything that will ruin everything.
I never knew…but I swear I’ll spread the word to the best of my ability!
Edward. If you think the reclamation of the Swastika is futile, then do you not think it better to reclaim the meaning instead. So if reclaming the symbol is not your cup of tea would spreading the meaning of Swastika, which means All Well Being may infact invoke a platform of acceptance and respect?
Darius Forrest and Kenny cindric. May I address your confusion. There are many many varieties of the Swastika symbol. Some right facing and some left facing. Respectfully both are positive within the cultures they belong to. Hindus will depict the symbol as the generation of energy where as Buddhist will depict the receeding. The Nazi depiction is called the Hakenkreuz, not Swastika. It is strictly the black, white and red with the angled hooked cross. Now there are strict Swastika symbols that also have the similar angle of the Hakenkreuz. this is incidental. So in short, there are many variations of the symbol with sometimes different backgrounds and meanings. All are positive, except the Hakenkreuz.
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and lets say the swasticka did make a “come back” it dosent really matter. this site and efforts and ideals of all here are futile and vain. your labors will come to nothing. i am even ashamed of myself for even posting this. there is way better things to expend energy on. save the swasticka foundation. LOL.
Swatstika is not evil! Hitler ruined it, but he’s gone, and the war is over, so forget about the Nazis and bring it back to it’s true meaning!
Im a little confused guys, your swastika sign shows it pointing to the right as good and pointing it to the left as negative. But in other sites and blogs it has the ancient indo-european sun sign with the swastika in a upward angle pointing left. Now which means which? Is it different cultural meaning? Because all hitler did was take the peace swastika and made it face upward pointing to the right. Please help, thanks.
Im a little confused guys, your swastika sign shows it pointing to the right as good and pointing it to the left as negative. But in other sites and blogs it has the ancient indo-european sun sign with the swastika in a upward angle pointing left. Now which means which? Is it different cultural meaning? Because all hitler did was take the prace swastika and made it face upward pointing to the right. Please help, thanks.
The swastika was an ancient spiritual symbol, until the Nazis ruined it. To you kind souls who are washing and scrubbing it, hang in there!
I am A soldier for this movement. I have branded myself with the Swastika permanently and I continue to speak on the reclamation of its peaceful reputation! Revolution!
It would be nice to have the Swastika not associate with bad things anymore, and to have it back where it belongs.
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I have been trying for years to get the same point across, but ignorance prevails. I’ve studied symbolism new and old since 1967 starting at the age of 12. A few weeks ago Fox tv ran an article about swastika earings being sold in jersey. I had to call and explain to them that they goofed. The earings were backward images of the asian symbols trampled on by the reich. These symbols were used by several native indian tribes. Imagine that. The media doesn’t know what they’re talking about almost as often as the government.
lord buddha told ..
WE R WAT OUR THOUGHT ARE .. SO IS THE SWASTIKA.. IF DREAM EVIL THROUGH IT .. IT WILL BRING U MISERY,ILL LUCK AND DESTRUCTION,
IF U DREAM AND WEAVE A GOOD THOUGHT .. ITS SHOWERS FLOWERS ON YOU. SO NO ORGANISATION SHOULD TRY TO ADVERTISE OR PATENT IT .. BUT USE IT FREELY.. ONE WHO WEARS IT MUST BE GOOD , HUMBLE AND NICE .. IN SHORT ” B..E..I..N..G.. H..U..M..A..N”
the symbol is nice, but its being used as politically .. mayawati is using in up .. morover the adevrise world is taking it .
this symbol achived greatness through lord buddha ! the one who do not know about buddha cannot say anything true about this.
lord buddha is great .. so is his teachings..
accordin g to him .. 3 things on earth cannot be hidden BY ANYONE ! (NO GOVTS.. NO SPY AGENCIES.. NO PROPAGANDAS)
THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE TRUTH..
THE TRUTH OF SWASTIKA AND ITS ORIGINAL USE WILL SURFACE ONE DAY!
nice symbol
Hello all!!!
I can understand someone wanting to ‘reclaim the swastika’ if the swastika had been an important part of their culture growing up, but i have English friends who have grown up in the UK who never had anything to do with the swastika growing up who want to reclaim it now, i don’t fully understand them?
Why do people want to forget about the nazi’s & all their evilness? I think the swastika is a symbol that the nazi’s already claimed & it should stay as a reminder of how evil people can be, people should remember it & make sure nothing like this ever happens again. Sadly i know such evilness has happened since & it probably will continue to happen, but the swastika should be remembered of all the Jews that were murdered by the nazi’s! That should never ever be forgotten! Why would anyone want to forget such a thing? Reclaiming it would be forgetting it.
I know all the history of the swastika, i know it was a peaceful sign before hitler started using it, but now it is not a peaceful symbol anymore, i think that it should be left that way! Its a shame, but you can’t change that part of history! There are plenty of other old peaceful symbols that people cat use.
This is just my opinion & i hope my post is not deleted because i don’t agree with everyone. As i said if the swastika was an important part of someones culture growing up then i can understand them wanting to reclaim it & continue to use it. But in my experience the English people that i know who are wearing swastika t-shirts, patches, tattoos ect are doing it for attention & there is nothing wrong with that, we all love a bit of attention! But it really annoys me the way they ‘act’ all offended if people think their swastika symbol is a nazi symbol!!! What are people supposed to think when they see a swastika? & if these people are going to be so easily offended then why on earth are they gong out of their way to draw so much attention to them selves with a big swastika on their t-shirt? I have always dressed different & sometimes i do get attention because of it, but i don’t act all offended & shocked because people are looking at me, i smile at the people & say Hi!
So this is just one opinion on the whole reclaim the swastika idea, i really feel that the swastika & the nazi’s should always be remembered, the swastika is a symbol of what we never want to happen again in this world, it won’t stop the slaughterer of more innocent people but it will remind us how evil mankind can be…………
Thank you for reading my opinions, & if you do want to reclaim the swastika & if you wear a swastika on your cloths or tattoos ect, please don’t act silly & get offended if people think your a nazi. You fully know the reaction your going to get, so stop pretending to be surprised! For those of you nice people who explain the reclaim thing nicely to people good luck to you, you’ll be explaining it for the rest of your days, i hope its all worth it! & lastly for those of you who grew up in countries where the swastika was something important to you & your family for generations i truly wish you all the best, your families were using the swastika long before the nazi’s & its your right to continue to use it, stand up for your beliefs that are important to you & your ancestors! !
Peace & good luck to you all! Love S. XXX
Do you know a problem with the recent book “American Veda”. It rejoices how Dharma has been digested by Americans with the original sources made to disappear. The Tiger digesting the Deer remains the Tiger, in fact stronger, but the Deer turns into a pile of shit. This has happened to many civilizations that were also similarly “assimilated” into Christianity and the west – but they now live in museums!
I like the Swastik symbol especially when used during Hindu festivals. Thank God the Nazis left out the red color and the dots and turned the symbol by 45 degrees. I wished they would have come out with a new symbol and left the holy Swastik alone..
symbols DO matter — otherwise corporations wouldn’t spend millions developing logos.
a symbol is iconic and therefore elicits high emotion when displayed. think about the christian cross and the star of david. they are rallying points around which those who believe will gather and either defend their cause or go out and fight in the name of their cause.
so, while it could be considered -just- a symbol that the nazis used…it’s not ‘just’ a symbol at all. it’s a call to arms and to go out and enforce a belief.
therefore, in order to dispel the cause, one of the best ways would be to dilute the meaning and impact of the symbol. a metamorphosis of the symbol back into something positive and harmless would go a long way toward diffusing what’s left of the movement in current day–not to mention that there are so many people for whom the symbol already has a wonderful meaning.
so, i’m definitely in favor of reclaiming it. good luck!
SWASTIKA SYMBOLS – For the reasons states below the following quote from a news article is almost comic: “The group said banning the swastika was equivalent to banning the cross simply because the Ku Klux Klan had used burning crosses.”
The National Socialist German Workers Party did not call their symbol a “swastika,” they called it a Hakenkreuz (hooked cross) because it was a type of cross. German National Socialists did not call themselves “Nazis” and they used their hooked cross to represent crossed S-letters for their name: “socialists.” See the work of the symbologist Dr. Rex Curry. http://rexcurry.net/swastika.html
That is why the German symbol is turned 45 degrees from the horizontal and always pointed in the S-direction. GNSers had a lot of similar stylized alphabetical symbolism, for the “SS” division, the “SA,” the “NSV,” and even VW (the letters V and W combined for “volkswagen”). German National Socialists did not refer to themselves as “Nazis,” nor as “Fascists.” Some popular authors probably know that GNSers did not refer to themselves as Nazis nor Fascists, yet those authors never actually explain or emphasize the point, and that means that many Americans can read books by many popular authors and remain clueless about the fact that GNSers did not call themselves nazis nor fascists. Many people are so ignorant that they do not even know what German National Socialists actually called themselves. Many people are so ignorant that they think German National Socialists called themselves nazis and fascists, because those are the only words many Americans have ever heard or spoken in that regard in their entire lives. Many
usenet posts are evidence of the ignorance mentioned here. That is why they never comprehend that the hakenkreuz was used as S-letters for “socialism” because they do not know what Nazis called themselves.
In that sense, many people defame the “swastika” by using the wrong term for the German symbol and by failing to distinguish it. They are vulgus profanum. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg
Anyone who wants to “save the swastika” from proposed laws to ban and criminalize its display, needs to stop defaming the swastika and start explaining that the German symbol was a hooked cross and used as S-letters for “socialism.”
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It is true that people are ignorant to the fact that swastika is a symbol of life, sun, power, strength, and good luck and when seeing it, they quickly consider it as a symbol of destruction and hatred. Let us try to start spreading the knowledge of what this symbol really means.
I for one will not let the ignorance of the masses and one Fascist undermine this ancient and powerful symbol. I have just had it put on all the doors of my house here in the EU. Never let ignorance have it’s way. Namaste.
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Who was first to use this symbol?
Why does it inherently mean anything?
Hasnt anyone noticed that the nazi party rotated it, thus changing it from hindu or egyptian or chinese origins?
Use the Hindu symbols proudly on internet, social networking sites, blogs etc., Make the world know, a Billion Hindus can make a difference. Even a Million decolonized Hindus can bring a change.
The false idea that the swastika is evil can only exist because people are ignorant and superstitious. It’s like saying that watermelons are evil because someone choked on a watermelon seed. I want the swastika to be appreciated as the simple balanced geometric shape that it is.
i agree with ray : ‘Have a “like” button to put on facebook. This will rapidly spread the knowledge. People need to be educated on things like this but don’t know their own ignorance on the subject. [...]‘
I would join immediately and comment on it also .. it’s not because some malignant folks appropiated this powerful symbol, we should keep it in their hands. We all must open up to its original meaning, without any ! guilt.
Have a “like” button to put on facebook. This will rapidly spread the knowledge. People need to be educated on things like this but don’t know their own ignorance on the subject. Therefore don’t think they need educated.
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I’m really sorry, but I just….can’t look at this symbol without the awful imagery that hurts my heart so much. There is still too much pain with this. It’s not fair at all, and I sympathize with you guys
But for me, it’s something I don’t even want to look at.
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Sorry, but over 70 of my relatives were killed in the Holocaust. When I was young, the swastika was carved into my locker with the words “Finish him”.
I don’t think my dead family would call it a symbol of peace and love as those who were killing them were saluting it.
Regardless of it’s original meaning, the swastika is in continued use throughout the world as a sign of hate and intolerance.
If you like peace and love, pick another drawing.
I agree so much, it is time that we take back the ancient symbol of light, of life, of love. I have old family things decorated with forms of swastica, for instance a gift that a young man made to his fiance more than 300 years ago!
Swatsika is a symbol of light! It is pure, filled with wisdom and love. I will not accept that Hitler shall get away with redefining it. I am so happy to see that there are lots more than me with the same sentiment!
Swastika is as old as time and mentioned in VED ,the most ancient writings of Hindism [Sanatan dharma,or Vedic dharma].This symbole is used by Hindus, Jains and Buddhists everyday and found in books, temples, on buildins, doors, walls and widely used during festivals and chanting of Mantrasor sacred Sanskrit writings.
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No one know about PASA yantra.PASA means gambling of PASA.
Am i show PASA yantra experiment on internet.I m waiting for your comments.
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Hi, my birth name is Swastika, while growing I hear lots of things about my name. But people should understand there is always two side of a story. The swastika is an ancient Aryan symbols respected by the Hindu, Buddhist, Jainism,Iran. The swastika symbol is used to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. In Finland the symbols were used as a magical symbol and even During the Chinese Tang Dynasty, Empress Wu Zetian (684-704) decreed that the swastika would be used as an alternative symbol of the sun. After hearing all of this who would not be proud of the swastika. Because of the Nazis’ flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder. But we can change that…
I totally agree with the sentiments and intentions of this web site.
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The design of ” The Vortrov Centre” and the Eco-City which surrounds it, have many symbols incorporated within them, one of which is the ancient Sun Wheel.
See also the central swastika motif in the designs i have created to symbolically express the essence of, my new once & future world, unfolding here now.
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this is symbol of constant human development. it reminds keep on moving. dont be idle, lazy or dont move in wrong direction.
it is said to ward off obstacles both worldly or spirtual.
in india it is auspicious. it is used in every good occasion. from birthday to marriage. this is called symbolical ganesh.
very nice symbol. why not use it as pendent or ring top.
By talking about this and sharing this topic with others will “waken” our awareness and understanding of the positive message the swastika represents. Some other people saw the “message” and took the symbol for themselves and did very bad things. That is not how this galactic symbol of peace should be remembered by man. Why were the nazi’s such great scientist and archeologist? “Answers” are found in mans deep deep history. “Merkabah”
free speach is constitutional law , get out of the world and back to zoo you belong in bitch.
I support your cause, but I don’t understand how posting on a message board will help us reclaim the swastika. Maybe you should take Julia’s advice and start selling T-shirts or something.
@ Andrew, Maybe you have heard the words:
There is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about.
I think you are ‘fuelling’ the fascists by repeatedly talking about them. x
@ David Hasselhoff.
I don’t think anyone is hassling the Jews, but they remember the Swastika, more than the Nazis and the Killings sometimes! x
Richard the III (LionHeart) used the Red Cross as a symbol for all the killings on Crusades, it seems nobody bothered to ban it ???
@ Ram Avtar Khemka, I bow to your knowledge, but what is your facebook name? x
@ Sagar, I thought ‘Sat’ meant together and ‘Sach’ meant truth.
By spinning the Swastik, the ‘Four Arms’ become One = Sat
I personally believe that it was a prediction of four major directions, then spinning to become One.
(e.g the four major religions, Hinduism,Christianity, Judaism and Islam, although realistically I believe that Christianity and and Islam came from Judaism 0 A.D and 500 A.D. It is already well known that Buddhism is from Hinduism 500 B.C and Khalsa from Hinduism 400 years ago. So actually two older major religions. I know nothing about African or South American (Indian) religions)
i ram avtar khemka from ludhiana,india.i have made chautisa to maha chautisa.please search on ishare,facebook as chautisa to maha chautisa.you will be see coloured universal truth of chautisa.
maha chautisa is made as like sudooku type.
I resarch the swastik 20 years and found that SWASTIK is a four direction therom.
1.paper computer runs through swastik formula
2. Swastik chakre
3. Swastik with 16 impressions.
4.Four Directions Therom 1022 may be solved by swasik formula.Solution will be 65536(1395Pages)
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this needs a facebook page, good stuff.
I think excellent websites such as this one, proswastika.org , and http://www.swastika-info.com should also state that this symbol is also sacred to Europeans in an ancient faith context. In western europ it is the most sacred symbol within Odinism, and in the East is the most sacred symbol within Rodnovery. But, these websites only ever mention Jainism, Hinduism, etc. I would appreciate it if they also mentioned Odinism and Rodnovery. The following website gives a lot of information on the importance of the Fylfot/Swastika within Odinism: http://nikarevleshy.blogspot.com/2011/07/odinism-and-importance-of-fylfot.html and also this facebook face: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=hp#!/pages/Reclaim-Our-Banner-Fylfot-Swastika-The-Truth-About-An-Ancient-Symbol/122259467835070 There is also a new documentary coming out about this called My Swastika that wants to reclaim it. It is called My Swastika and will also focus on Odinism and Rodnovery – http://www.facebook.com/?ref=hp#!/pages/My-Swastika-Official-documentary/290744544795 and the importance of it can be seen in these photos from the Kupala festival of Rodnovery Native Faith – http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.248612171833982.77536.100000556023960#!/media/set/?set=a.248612171833982.77536.100000556023960&type=1
I am so glad to have found this site. It was only a few days ago, speaking to a Jewish couple, who said that they had seen a house with a swastika sign in it. The house was occupied by Jains/Hindus, and this is what I explained to them, along with all the other facts illustrated on this site. They seemed quite unaware of this fact, and were only associating it with Hitler.
Swastika in Hindi is Saathiyo. I think this comes from Sat meaning truth.
Multifaith week is coming soon in UK, and I think that it would be a good opportunity to make this fact aware.
Good job. Jai Saathiyo!!!
Hey guys knock it off. As your new Fuhrer I command you to stop wasting your time on the internet. Don’t Hassle the Hoff. Or the Jews.
I believe that, despite the swastika’s original meaning of peace, what Adolf Hitler has done to it will tarnish its symbol and purpose for all time.
I believe you are a horrible person. It is stab at the Jewish people and the Men (many of my family) who fought so hard to eradicate the fascist Nazi’s. You should be ashamed, and anybody who is so easily bought by your clumsy words aught to be ashamed too.
I have only just started my quest to reclaim the Swastika.
I am very pleased that others have already begun to do this.
I believe education is the key… I was so naive before I started this jouney…
I think it is time for the reincarnation and return of the swastika…
Here is a great video which educates us about the ancient swastika symbol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpfnqcnrJw&feature=player_embedded
Thank you for providing this educational forum. Hopefully, those of us who choose, may now re-orientate ourselves to the purest meaning of the swastika.
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Marshall Lentini – Huh? What on earth are you talking about?
As a Jew, I have conflicting feelings on the issue.
You are in good company then. The owner of this website is a Jew who likes to make nasty phonecalls filled with threats he can’t keep.
Isn’t that right, Hymie boy? do you need my new number?
Its just ridiculous what stupid people think,yes the nazis used it but its ment for spiritual purposes and good luck. I applaud this site.
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I am amazed @ the ignorance ssurrounding this symbol. I live in Hawaii and many temples are even the museum is infused with the swastika. Yet many people readily atribute the symbol to Nazis. I was looking (still am) for a ring with a simple swastika on it in chinatown(honolulu) and even a proprietor there was confused until I used the tiles on the floor to illustrate. she then said ” oh like the Nazi” the led me to the back wall to show me a wooden wall hanging with the symbol. I have recently done artwork with hitler practicing yoga calmly.with a swastika on his arm facing to the left rather than the right. I feel it will anger many. both good guys and bad guys but i feel it is a definition ove balance.
I think its great you are bringing this to peoples awareness. That we have been conditioned to accept this beautiful symbol as evil. It has great significance to me at the moment, I went searching for answers about its meaning as it keeps coming up in my meditations. I think its closely related to the ancient calendars which are all about whatever 2012 represents. I dont know this from fact, just a hunch. Im wondering if its supposed to guide me somehow?
Humans have a problem which scientifics call “the first opinion’s based impression”…
No matter how many times you try and tell to somebody that this symbol represents infinity and love, this persons brain will always have a first opinion’s based impression because of the nazi history. That’s how the human brain works and this problem is well known to the brands marketing guys who are constently using it to manipulate large audiences and make benefice for their products.
I fully agree that the real meaning of this symbol must be known to all because people from other religions are suffering from the ignorance and the first opinion’s based impression of so many people.
How can one leave Hitler’s horrendous story perpetuate? If everybody would know the real meaning of this symbol, Hitler would not only be seen as the biggest criminal but also as the world’s greatest all time lyer….
Every word and symbol that is created takes a journey of meaning throughout the ages. only when we look back at its creator do we find the truth. Anything created from the heart finds its way back home.
The swastika has not lost its spiritual significance. Or importance in time. It will for a thousand years and more teach us what was wrong with persecution. How has it changed in essence.
Sometimes you have to look a little closer to find understanding.
put a copper (generating) plate on the top and on the bottom of a copper (motor) ring to form a hollow disk, and insert a copper swastika (armature) inside. Hit the unit with a bolt of lightning to completely saturate it with electromagnetic energy. The armature will repell off the bottom and start spinning in a direction opposite the way the arms are pointed on the swastika. As the elecromegnetically (em) charged swastika spins, it will generate electricity in the top & bottom plates which will feed the motor ring, keepin the armature spinning, riding on em bearings. If you type “magnetic field, schematic into your browser you will see an image showing the lines of force going in one end and out the other, but if you put a piece of steel on each end you get a much different picture…
Hi Julius,
You can subscribe to readers’ comments, but no, there is no newsletter as such at the moment. What kind of content would you like to read?
Prem
@ KeNeR
Thanks, I said I did not know perfectly as I have never got around to reading the Koran, but many years ago, I read this somewhere, but have totally forgotten where.
I am glad if this is not written in the Koran and I am very happy it says it is banned to offend any country.
Sometimes the sources e.g Koran and Bible are basically very good, some of the interpreters not so good.
I was born In Teheran and find Iranians very polite race.
Also the food is very good!.One oif my cousins has just gone to Iran to see about the Zoarastrian Culture there.
Peace CP
I would like more information on this website and if they have a newsletter that i could subscribe to. Thank you
I want to know that have you ever read something about convert world to Islam even by force in Koran,CarromPaul? perhaps some idiots that call themselves Muslims, do some works that everybody hates.But it doesnt relate to Koran and Islam.It is banned for each Muslims to offense any country even with logical reasons.
It is a big wrong that we think such away about Islam.
Dont look at silly Arabs. they can only see money and authority. I am Iranian and I am from the ancient Aryan race.
By the way there is a golden necklace with three swastika on it that were found in a north Iran province.It is existing in national Iran muesem
in Tehran.I suggest you to download its picture .It is wonderful.
@Jim
I tend to agree about Islam, as I think, but do not know perfectly, it says in the Koran that it is the duty of all Muslims to convert the world to Islam, by force if necessary.
Although the Christians also went allover the world trying to convert everyone to Christianity, many times ‘by force if necessary’ luckily the better Christians knew that this was wrong.
With Islam, I believe that the they are 50% of the world religions, and I do think that what is happening to them over the last 20 years is not good and unifying them all against the rest making them very angry. x
@ Minister Thunderwolfe.
We understand you well, the Nazis did this shit not the Symbol!
When Richard the Lionheart went on his Crusades and killed so many, the Cross was not banned or blamed but he was blamed correctly for misusing it.
Does Christ want to come back and see a billion reminders of how he died around peoples necks?
If the Swastik could have less importance in relation to the Nazi killings, I think people would think more about that crazed lunatic Hitler and what he did and not just think about the Symbol,which is what is happening at present. The modern Nazi followers are preying on Jews fear of the Symbol. If the Jews did not fear this Symbol, what are they going to do? I am very sorry for everyone who suffered, and indeed the sight of a Swastik could still bring fear in these people, but hopefully the next generation Jews will not fear the symbol this way, but remember really it was THAT lunatic! x
@aanya
That fellow is an total idiot, how can anything affect you badly just because you don’t draw it right. that person is controlling you or totally stupid. Get rid of the person!
Even drawing pentacles etc does nothing! Try it! x
hello there, i made this swastik without any information like the result of not makin it properly, i just made it, when i was in the middle as i didnt know how xactly to make it my friend said if u wont make it xactly it will effect you badly and that ediot fellow told me in the middle after i know how bad time i faced, till yet, everything was repeating with me. every single thing incident good bad was taking me back like somethng is rewinding. since then i really got scared to draw this sign but still i have draw them today, am still scared.
# 1148. Rachel said:
“As a Jew, I have conflicting feelings on the issue.
On one hand, I recognize that the swastika has positive meaning for some, especially in India. People should be allowed to celebrate their heritage wherever they live. Also, it is good for people to become aware of the multiple meanings of the symbol.
On the other hand, I would never want people to forget the way the Nazis used it and the way it is still used to symbolize hatred until today.
For instance, when a swastika is spray painted on the front of our synagogue, it is not conveying a message of the spiritual nature of humanity. It is saying that the Nazis killed 1 out of every 3 Jews in the world and we wish they had finished the job. It is endorsing the Nazi ideology that Jews (and some other groups) are sub-human and don’t deserve to live.
In a world where holocaust deniers still abound, and where genocide still occurs, it is imperative to spread the message of “never forget.” This is our responsibility to victims of genocide. If “reclaiming the swastika” was tied with teaching about the holocaust, how to prevent genocide in the future, and how to fight discrimination and hatred in all it’s forms, I would support it as a worthwhile and just cause.”
~ United States. May 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm.
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY | NATIVE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, Inc. (COUNCIL), and the AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL: http://www.nativeamericanembassy.net/
RESPONSE: YES! The SWASTIKA, and the ONLY SWASTIKA in world existence, is very Sacred to Hindi Peoples, and means a lot to them. So why does so many degrade this Holy Symbol and Icon, when it is the German TWISTED CROSS that was used by Hitler and his Nazi’s? Not that one should outlaw any sacred symbol, even Germany’s Twisted Cross, merely because such a symbol was used by Evil Psychopaths for strictly Evil purposes!
Go after the world’s Criminals, not Peoples Sacred Symbols.
Considering how many, even Ivri’s (Jews) were exterminated by CHRISTosians, do you outlaw the Roman Cross, because it was used to assassinate a man? Do you outlaw such a symbol as Evil, because it has come to be utilized by those Claiming to be, or the few who are Really and Live as Christosians? NO! Of course not!!! AND, YOU HAVE NOT! WHY?
IF IT AIN’T HINDI (HINDU), IT AIN’T “SWASTIKA!” PERIOD! FACT! GERMANS, HITLER, the NAZI’s NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER USED the “SWASTIKA!” PERIOD!
How many, I am sorry to have to ask, respectfully and in a Solidarity way, have JEWS murdered, killed, even assassinated? Think about this! Do WE Outlaw the Seal of Solomon, because it is a, important and somewhat holy symbol used during Jewish exterminations and murders of others; Arabs, Palastinians, et al?
NO! Of Course Not!
So Please. NEVER FORGET, Lest Man Repeats his Evil History, however, leave the Past, move forward, and leave our WORLD-SACRED SYMBOLS BE!!!!!!!
We symathize with Jews everywhere who are constantly andpersistently persecuted as WE World-wide First Nations Peoples, However, we cannot and will not support or condone your mis-use of historical events, evil or otherewise, to attack, degrade and outlaw as “Evil” any of the World’s Sacred (Hoy) Symbols, including our Hopi Symbol of similar resemblance, used for tens of thousands of years, to name only One, of Many!
We have Spoken, and leave any further words to World-Wide Wisdom and Wisdom Keepers!
Be Well & G-D Bless,
Ahava Aleichem,
Minister ThunderWolfe
As a Jew, I have conflicting feelings on the issue.
On one hand, I recognize that the swastika has positive meaning for some, especially in India. People should be allowed to celebrate their heritage wherever they live. Also, it is good for people to become aware of the multiple meanings of the symbol.
On the other hand, I would never want people to forget the way the Nazis used it and the way it is still used to symbolize hatred until today.
For instance, when a swastika is spray painted on the front of our synagogue, it is not conveying a message of the spiritual nature of humanity. It is saying that the Nazis killed 1 out of every 3 Jews in the world and we wish they had finished the job. It is endorsing the Nazi ideology that Jews (and some other groups) are sub-human and don’t deserve to live.
In a world where holocaust deniers still abound, and where genocide still occurs, it is imperitive to spread the message of “never forget.” This is our responsibility to victims of genocide. If “reclaiming the swastika” was tied with teaching about the holocaust, how to prevent genocide in the future, and how to fight discrimination and hatred in all it’s forms, I would support it as a worthwhile and just cause.
i think the symbol is a monument to a great cos it should be used i dont give a shit wut ppl say about it .. caus to me its cool ….. whe’ar can i get 1
I agree. Just because the Nazis decided to misuse the
Swastika for their own purposes isn’t right to ban it.In reality it stands for goodness and rightousness not evil
as the Nazis made it stand for.
As most peaceful things in life, the true meaning will always twisted by twisted minds as seen by the nazis, and so many people only see the symbol as death hatred and destuction, when its been a good luck and peace symbol for millions of people, for hundreds of years we need to let the next generation know of these things otherwise as lots of good things in life, they are only known for the wrong reasons not the good.
@Christopher – very interesting context. Thanks for sharing your situation and thoughts.
I don’t see it that the impact of Nazism has to be lessened in order to reclaim the swastika. I don’t think anyway needs to somehow forget or brush over what the Nazis did and what they represented. The Nazis attempted to co-opt a symbol, to benefit from its great power. But, incredibly, they mistook their own depraved ideas as being somehow universal and eternal. The pure idea of the swastika only throws Nazism into even sharper relief. It shows how audacious and absurd it was for them to ever associate themselves with it.
I don’t see the case for diminishing what they did. They did what they did, and the swastika is what it is. And one is not the other, no matter what they claimed.
And I don’t see a case for saying “that swastika is bad because the Nazis used it, but that one is good because they didn’t”. I think it’s OK to explain that the Nazis used the swastika, but that doesn’t make the swastika itself somehow bad.
On meaning being inherent in symbols – I do think that symbols and forms can affect the mind in different ways – just as different sounds (e.g. music) can impact the mind. I think that the main part of this is independent of cultural negotiation, history or other bias, but we layer meaning on top of it with our minds, until it can be difficult to perceive the original effect.
Good idea – on effectively co-opting it back into an honourable, worthy organisation or campaign.
- Prem
@ Christopher, I think trying to set up a organisation or even a charity using the flyfot is a fantastic idea, like a breath of fresh air. Maybe the users here would be interested in such a project with regards your enquiry to the twisted swastika i’ll try a few web site for you and see what i come up with, also i’m afraid to say that unless there is a concerted effort globally to stop Islam now’ we will be see,ing a repeat of the holocaust against all infidels across the world.
Hi.
I’m a Critical & Contextual Studies lecturer from the UK teaching across a wide range of degree-level arts courses. Basically, that means I’m required to be a ‘jack-of-all-trades’ and as I work at a teaching institution (rather than a research institution) I have very little time for in-depth, specialist research.
With this in mind, I was hoping someone on this forum could help me answer a question: Were the Nazis the only people to rotate the Swastika 45 degrees? I can’t find any examples online so far, but as I have said, my time is limited (and I’m rubbish at finding stuff…).
I already make a point each year of de-bunking the ‘wrong way around’ myth in my classes, but I’m interested to know if the Nazis were unique in using a ’tilted’ swastika.
It might be of interest to you to know that I also currently use the swastika in my lectures on semiotics as the basis for a debate on the way meaning is not inherent to symbols, but is instead transient and negotiated: in a very small way I’m hopefully doing my bit to reclaim the symbol from the Third Reich!
That said, there is a dilemma attached to the issue of reclaiming the swastika: I am a firm believer in the principle of ‘never forget’ – the Nazis represent the worst that humanity is capable of and unfortunately I can’t see an easy way to disassociate the swastika from them without in some way diluting or dulling the collective memory of what they did.
What I mean is that because the symbol is so closely associated with the Third Reich, reclaiming the swastika as a symbol for good may not be possible without lessening the significance of what the Nazis did (or at the very least their place in history). In this sense the question has to be asked: what is more important – that we reclaim an ancient symbol or remember what the Nazis did so that we may not repeat it again?
Unless…
There is a simple solution that can be understood by everyone with little explanation. Such as:
‘Tilted’ Swastika = Bad
‘Square’ Swastika = Good
Hence my question… Which I admit is somewhat rhetorical: as well as being a lecturer I have also enjoyed a successful career as a graphic designer for 20 years and after much consideration, I believe that the only realistic way to reclaim the swastika without diminishing the memory of Nazism is to be specific (as in the above model). Furthermore, if ’tilted’ was changed to ‘twisted’ then obvious avenues for potential campaigns present themselves.
Specifically, I can envision a campaign in conjunction with a global charity which uses the square swastika in conjunction with good activities and juxtaposes it with the twisted swastika and what that signifies. This approach would not only go some way to reclaiming the symbol, it would also clarify how it should be used as well as retaining the horror of the holocaust – three birds with one stone…
Deliberately (and clearly) associating the symbol with good deeds is crucial because you cannot simply ‘delete’ meaning – it can lessen over time, but it is much easier (and quicker) to actively change what it means.
The perfect example of this is the Pink Triangle as a symbol of gay rights – it was originally created by the Nazis to identify homosexuals during the holocaust, but then actively reclaimed by the gay community to the point where few people know it’s true origins…
I haven’t had time to read all the posts so if this question has been asked (and answered) before I apologise. I also don’t want to stir up a hornet’s nest so be kind in your responses – my comments are solely based on a cultural/semiotic perspective (albeit with a degree of bias in that I agree with the spirit of this website).
@ Jim
I agree, if people stopped putting nazi next to Swastika everywhere and more people put all the other significances, eventually the nazi correlation would become smaller in the eyes of the world and the real significances would gain their importance again. x
I’m loving this site and i have been putting across the fight for the swastika and its genuine spiritual significance and its fasinating to see all the PC brigade jump down your throat as a nazi.
Its time to re,establish the rightful place on the global stage of spirituial expression, recently i paid a visit to the dentist. Whilest in the waiting room a school boy was studying his home work, i noticed he was looking through symbols ands of coarse there was the swastika, and under it were the words nazi.. I interrupted his concentration and explained this interpretation was wrong and was in fact an ancient symbol revered throughout India and other religeous teachings. The fact that a regime had hijacked it for only 13 years was a mere blemish on its 3,000 year history. The look on these peoples face,s was one of utter disbelief and utter contempt. Theres whole generations that now need to be re, educated to the truth
@ Cindy, I have just read on here it was the Germans
who applied for the ban in 25 EU countries, but sensibly, this did not happen. We just need to stop some of these followers of Nazis to stop using it for the bad. x
@ Cindy, I understand you, now you have seen this site, you will understand that Hitler only borrowed it for 6 years for his wrong doings. We Indians like to say, it is time that it is not banned (I think Germany for example).
It is one of the oldest and important Peace & Life symbols in my opinion and when you rotate it it becomes the ‘Chakra’ (Wheel).
I hope the jewish and other afflicted races from Hitler wrong doings can try and start to forget and by disassociating the Swastika a little to the Nazis would be good for the rest of us. x
I believe that the way the swastika was used really puts forward the meaning of murder and evil, but if like some you, who are indian, know the proper meaning then you were probably brought up knowing. I on the other hand, never knew about the swastika until I studied it in school; not knowing the real meaning, I believed that it was a hateful symbol and should never be seen. Now, knowing it’s supposed to be peaceful, I don’t mind the symbol.
Great Syed I have them everywhere, in Rudyard Kipling books, pendants, on receipts of goods I bought in India from 23.10.1999 where it also says
‘Sub Ka Malik Ek’ (Everybody’s Boss is One’ x
@ Katsa Aliena, I only knew because I am Indian and my mother always used Swastik Coconut Oil everyday (red coloured), very famous in India! x
I’m from India, and the swastika is a symbol of my ancestors. I draw it everyday in my notebook and show it to every one. I am not shy to show my ancestry, I am very proud to an Aryan of India. A descendant of many.
I’ve always thought the Nazis used the original meaning for the swastika. Guess not!
I agree with Forelli.
Well done!
It is high time not to keep interfering in other’s affairs as Nato and UN do as this interference seems to be leading to far more deaths, than the problem they are interfering with!!
(Brown Man) x
There is nothing wrong with the swastika, and there was nothing wrong in what Hitler did to reunite the German people. When it came to the Jewish people, Hitler knew that he was up against a conceited race as well. Why else would they write the things that they have written in their scriptures–such as being allowed to make and break covenants or contracts with the Gentiles, but not with each other? It’s time we woke up as to the real threat concerning the white man’s existence as a species–that the Jews are not the passive little synagogue goers that they try and pass themselves off as. They own the biggest bank in the world, have a president in the federal reserve bank, and were Obama’s biggest contributers when he ran for office. They are also in charge of the NAACP–and the white man–that is myself and others like me–no longer have equal rights. I don’t hate anyone, but I do believe we need to be honest with each other as human beings–regardless of race–in order to create a world we all can live in without the threat of war. And if anyone thinks there is not a real, violent, and bloody war not already happening on American soil, then look again. And people, we haven’t seen anything yet, and if you don’t want your children fighting and dying for another race’s cause, then we need to get someone in the White House that’s going to bring our boys back home and establish their presence on the US-Mexico border. We’re only in Libbya now because the Jews want us there to fight another war for them, and while we’ve got our noses stuck where it doesn’t belong, this country has gone to hell–and that’s just what their intentions are. Hitler saw it and did what he saw had to be done. Maybe this time there won’t have to be as much bloodshed–but if you look at history, bloodshed is exactly where all this is leading to.
I’ve been interested in the legitimate uses and history of the Swastika foe many years. I’ve been doing some research on-line lately and stumbled across this website. How auspicious. Thanks for putting it up.
As I have said the ‘Swas’ ‘Tika’ does not need to be reclaimed. We have it everywhere already.
What we need is the Pain for the persons who saw it in a bad light to be removed so the ‘Swas’ can run freely! x
Hello everybody. Just needed to add that the ‘Swastika’ is a part of British history too. It is to be seen in the 4th century Romano-British mosaic at Lullingstone Roman Villa in Kent, England. Here it is portrayed alongside the ancient ‘Heart Symbol’ and other Sun signs. For more indepth information on the reason why these motifs are so significant to us all, please take a look at my free web site, http://www.heartsymbol.info
regards to all, Robin
Hellion, I think you are brave, there is not many persons I know who would make a Tattoo.
Hellion, thanks. I do not agree it should be segregated by anyone for anything. Let everyone who wants it have it. I believe it is ‘banned’ in Germany and probably Israel.
but as I have said, I don’t think we need to win it back, but I do believe that the people who may have banned it, should now change their decisions.
1. spred the word
2.read (understanding the symbolisim is key)
3.tatoos, clothing, advertising (u dont need to be a buddhist or spiritual to promote peace, put your swastika out there for everyone too see and get people to say somthing so u can tell them.
4.no law (no one should have the right to ban a symbol dont encourage it)
5.context. somtimes u just have to let it go, the prince harry incident is a good example it was just a costume. after all,if the misuse of swastika is that offensive maybe u should do some reserch to its origins, buhdisim and learn tolerance.
lets win back the worlds oldest symbol from ignorance
i really like symbols but i dont have a religion i was thinking about getting the swastika tatoo’d on 1 palm and the Taijitu on the other. anyway good luck with your quest
swastika ftw lawl
What about banning the Swastika only outside the context of religion and eastern culture?
Bretwals, great information.
I do not think that we need to ‘Reclaim’ the Swastika though.
It is ours already.
What is really needed is the Jewish Peoples and others who were badly hurt and killed during the wars not to ‘abhor’ the Swastika Symbol itself so much. It was not the sign that did anything.
The swastika is an ancient symbol of the Anglo-Saxons and was formerly known as the fylfot. Many ancient buriel sites have been excavated and the urns which have been discovered are inscribed with fylfots.
The fylfot was also an ancient weapon of the god Thunor – god of protection.
This ancient symbol needs to be recognised and certainly reclaimed from the Nazi over tone in which it has been smeared.
Good luck in this campaign and well done to all involved.
i.e. So let’s talk Swastika and forget HIM for the future!
He was just temporary?! x
I love all of this, but I had a thought tonite:
Best is to forget HIM!
By cayy on talling, thinking, speaking about HIM, he sstays alive. My Dad tought me this, he used to spread a rumour, but if he said it often enough it became ‘imprinted’, it became reality and people never forgot and he used it for his business.
Oscar Wilde even sai: ‘What is worse than being talked about, Not beoing talked about’! x
Currently on show in Delhi, India in a group show called Racism and Reconciliation is a Lumino Kinetic Sculpture of mine called LOVE-HATE-LOVE which uses the evolution of the swastika as a metaphor for the evolution of civilisation.
The swastika was first discovered at the time of the Hunter/Gatherers, prior to 10,000 years BC…And in particular with the Gatherers, the women, who collected vegetables for love of their family and made baskets to carry this food home…and when satisfied and fed they would have contemplated their clever technology and handiwork and easily have noticed a repeating pattern in the weft and warp or their work…a Swastika. Thus the Swastika became a symbol of ‘love’ in all old cultures around the world. Not just for the Hindus of India but for everyone.
The symbol was perverted by the fascists of course as they mis-used a mis-reading of Darwins great book ‘On the Origin of Species’ for their own psychopathic and retrograde criminal ends.
Note: as it was used on flags the direction of the points is not significant.
My intention with this work was to question “why should we let a bunch of psychopathic retrograde criminals pervert a beautiful symbol?” Let us reclaim this symbol as a symbol of love, a dioneysian not apollonian symbol. Make it ecstatic not rigid, bent not straight. Let us embrace the wild wonder of chaotic Democracy and not the certain implosion of totalitarian control.
As the great thinker PD Ouspensky writes in his great but flawed book ‘A New Model of the Universe’ – “the logical evolution of a fascist state is for it to become a termite mound”
Racism and racist attitudes are easily explained as the traces of ancient animal territorial instincts which have long passed their ‘use by’ date and which when acted ujpon by folk with simple brains or by unscrupulous politicians are holding back the world.
Creating devolution instead of evolution.
This site is excellent and will help the fight to educate and inform people about the stupidity and evil of racist attitudes and the error of blaming it on the Swastika. Its you and I who need to change.
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Ha, I thought Greeks had them on their pottery?
Anyway I suggest you ‘nicely; let the teacher that it is not illegal.
One learned fella on here translated it from Sanskrit.
I think it also means ‘Swas’ = Breath of Life. If rotated it becomes a ‘Chakra’ (Wheel). things were a little cruder in the old days so it is understandable that signs denoted ‘Aspects’.
Anyway Hitler only borrowed it for 6 years and never paid any Royalties, and I hope it is time that after 66 years that the jewish and other people afflicted, maybe should try and not think about the Symbol in the wrong way? XX
I put a swastika on a piece I made for my pottery class and my teacher told me I had to take it off. just because the Nazi party gave it a bad name..that’s all people think about when they see it. after explaining to her that I wasn’t a Nazi and it was actualy a symbol of well being and luck she still insisted I take it off..I find this to be offensive. just because people don’t know the actual true meaning of a swastika they insist on calling me a Nazi..
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The Swastika is a very old sign, first 10.000 years ago you find this in cave paintries, Coca Cola use it, in US you had postcards with it, because it is the sign of luck equal the 4 leaf shamrock. Forget about all the politics, they put us in deep depretion – think free – there are no »bad« signs only bad thinking.
BTW the Hopi & Dine[Navajo] Mayas, Aztecs and more indigenas are using it.
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I would like to think that banning a symbol or a word would have to be one of the most ignorant things our society could ever do. Doesn’t it leave you wondering what else in our past we don’t know about due to the banning of symbols and or words. If we let our society be so blind to believe they have the power to erase history at will. It is our responsibility to preserve our past not erase it. To learn from our mistakes not repeat them. Look at all the lies we are told because they repeatedly show us a fact that has been rebuffed to make there will be granted by the people.
Hitler was a pawn,look at the biggger picture.The hands of evil are all around us.A symbol(swastika) wont make you the best person you can be.Even though it is a symbol of hate,known in todays world.It takes work,self awareness, and good choices.We are all born with a good soul.Its what you choose to do with it is what makes you,YOU.If you want to use the symbol then do it.Only you can make the right decision.May peace be with everyone.
I used to read Rudyard Kipling books and they used to have Swastikas on the first pages.!
The Svastika is a holy symbol,like the Cross & just because Hitler used it (Reversed), does not make it reason enough to be banned. Infact,the Flag was designed by a Dentist (Dr.Kroner), and was chosen over several others because of it’s colour and striking appeal,it had nothing to do with the actual symbolism represented by the Swastika,which is used by Hindus,Jains and Buddhists (infact,there are differences between the Hindu and Buddhist Swastikas as well).
My plea-Please do not ban this Ancient and Holy symbol,because of some eccentric dictator-Hitler!
Significance in brief:
Swastika, meaning “it is well” is the symbol of auspiciousness, prosperity, and good fortune. The four limbs of the Hindu swastika denote the Four Vedas (symbolizing auspiciousness), four goals of life (denoting prosperity), four stages of life (signifying good fortune), four directions in space (symbolizing the Divine omnipresence), four seasons (symbolizing the cyclic nature of time), and four yugas of the world-cycle (symbolizing the natural evolution of the universe).
The swastika is not a Nazi symbol. And the cross is not a kkk symbol. They were abused for evil. And what is all this Zionist crap? The protocols of Zion were a fake and this was proved. Why hate the Jewish people or anyone for that matter. We are one human race. Banning this symbol will send it underground and this will be a triumph for the racists.
The swastika is an historic fact. Thus it should be freely spoken of. Otherwise, those who seek to remove any reference to it are themselves adopting a policy of oppression. Sod them all.
Doesn’t anyone read the rest of these comments…the entire package????
All of this has been addressed!
The Swastika has NEVER appeared in Greece, leat of all any of it’s vases or pottery!
The SWASTIKA NEVER EXISTED IN GREECE!
And, AGAIN, HITLER NEVER USED THE SWASTIKA. AGAIN, The SWASTIKA NEVER EXISTED In GERMANY!
Hitkler and his Nazi’s used the GERMAN “TWISTED CROSS!”
Greece had its own symbol, and it was NO SWASTIKA!
The HINDU People are the only People’s in the entire world who use a SWASTIKA.
All others merely resemble the Swastika, in general shape!
Now: The GERMANS DID NOT “SUCCEED!” Not due to any Swastika or similar forms. Germany was a world power long before Hitler & Nazis! The produced very delicate clock-works and many other industria items, and, it is only by chance that the United States beat Germany to the punch regarding Nuclear power & weaponry!
Germany had some of the most top-ranking doctors andf scientists in the world. Did everyone forget about Dr. Mendal?
Somebody had better do your homework before jumping upon the Internations soapbox simply to be heard!
~ Priscylla Renee (Noaker) ThunderWolfe
I personally think its a piss take how people judge a symbol due to its misuse in the recent past.
It should be allowed to be displayed openly just like the christian’s cross.
SWASTIKA FIRST WAS FOUND ON THE ANCIEND GREEK POTS AND BULIDINGS!WAS THE SIGH OF ZEUS AND REPRESENTED PEACE! AFTER, ALL THE OTHERS USED IT FOR THE SAME REASON, EXCEPT NAZIS!HITLER USED TO ADMIRE THE ANCIENT GREEK CIVILAZATION!
I think that not only the symbol of the swastika needs to be reclaimed, but the word “swastika” and the word “Aryan” both need to come back to Hinduism, for they are both derived from Sanskrit. Prior to the 19th and 20th Century, the Western world had NO idea about the words “Aryan” until Europeans arrived in India and started studying Hindu scriptures. The Arya people themselves were those who only called others “Arya” or “Aryan” if they submitted to following Sanatana Dharma, which meant adhering to the varna-ashrama lifestyle practice. I don’t see ANY skinheads following Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) today.
The germans did succed with the swastika ,just look at Germany today!success in everything they touch ,from cars,to sport to fame,from Schumachers to vettels ,from Boris to Graf ,vom Worldcup sking to Olympics ,germany is always succesfull.Go to germany morefestivals than anywhere else in the world.the old borring stigma f germans dosent fit .see they dance and sing and party for days and month as Carnival in South germany it starts at 11-11 november and goes till 1 week before easter.ect and more.yes tey succeded with the swastika and where prepared to pay the highest price for it ,to fight unbelieving communisem and europe ,see russia was antichrist under Stalin ,20 million died and it was germany who brought revange for these dead russions.And today the communist go to church thanks to the Nazis who liberated them from their believe.that there is more than Stalin ,and see,the swastika in the hands of man brought everlasting victory for germany!
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Many people still practice spiritual enlightenment with the swastika as their symbol. How would the Christians feel if we tried to ban the cross symbol? The swastika has been a symbol of peace and spirituality for an incredibly long time. The nazi regime used a facsimile of the symbol and now, millions shouldn’t use it??? I think not.
People need to do a little reading and educate themselves before making silly decisions. I do not in any way, condone anything the nazi party did to the people of this planet, which is all the more reason to NOT let their misuse of such a widely known peaceful symbol be tarnished any longer. Thanks
It continues to amaze me that modern society continues to allow the perversion of a positive thing by Hitler to reign the dominant interpretation/association.
It’s almost as if people feed on the ill-will and hatred, which is exactly what Hitler set out to do in the first place : Co-opt as much of history as he could and sway it towards his ill-reasoned concept of Aryan Superiority.
It’s high time we snap out of the Nazi Delusions regarding this auspicious symbol – otherwise, we’re continuing to pay service to it’s perversion.
man people are so funny, i went and asked people what symbol the nazis used and they always say the swastika but then i inform them that it wasn’t the swastika but the german twisted cross, this is another reson on why we need to reclaim the swastika so please help me do this
Well hell, I tried to write a true comment, but it was censored, so screw you sheeple.
To the attention of the Mrs. Chief Ministress Priscylla Renee Von Noaker [ThunderWolfe].
I humbly apologize, I beg her to forgive me, however I am not another any but a human being.
Alf John
1095. Alf John says:
“I am agree to reclaim the true origin and meaning of the swastika. The nazis stole it from he hindu culture, specificly from the Jains.”
Elohim – Raelian
December 5th, 2010 at 1:10 am.
REPLY:
Another one who does not read the full story, or in this case the rest of these articles!
If he had done his homework, or paid attention to these posts, he would have learned, already, that the Nazi’s did not steal any Swastika, from India (the Hindu’s) or from anywhere or anyone, nor did these Germans ever utilize the Swastika!
He would have seen that this subject had already been covered in earlier posts: Hitler and his Natzi’s used the German “Twisted Cross” not the Hindu’s Swastika, the only Swastika in world existence!
~ Chief Ministress Priscylla Renee Von Noaker [ThunderWolfe]
The SWASTIKA, was NEVER used by Hitler, the Nazi’s or any Germans!
I am agree to reclaim the true origin and meaning of the swastika. The nazis stole it from he hindu culture, specificly from the Jains.
Elohim – Raelian
1093. Misha Topov said:
“i enjoy reading what you guys say and i agree with reclaiming the swastika but i cant do it alone and i need friends like you. so if you want to help me please post that you will help me and be my swastika friends please and thanks. and lets bring back the swasticka!!!!” : December 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm.
REPLY:
NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT! NONE OF US CAN “DO IT ALONE!”
A small handfull of totalitarians have forced upon Americans and others worldwide this irrational, hatefull and absurdity ban on the use of very sacred (holy) symbols, merely because of a resemblance to the Hindu Swastika and Germanic “Twisted Cross!”
It is far past time for all of us to take our Cultures, Traditions, Pathways and symbols back and to Reclaim what belongs to us and not for a handfull of German Holocaust Victims and Survivors to arbitrarily force us all to abandon what is sacred to us and has been sacred to our Peoples for thousands of years, merely because one man (Hitler) and his Nazi criminals have used the German “Twisted Cross” in the commission of vast atrocities and Nazi Victims and present Survivors have imagined our Sacred Symbols to be “Evil” rather that those evil people who have used the symbols. and, those Survivors who have determined these sacred symbols to be “Offensive!”
You are WELCOME to join forces with us in your own quest and goal to bring about the revival of our sacred symbols, be those symbols the actual and Only (Hindu) Swastika, or any of the other world look-alikes and those with even a small resemblance to the actual swastika, the German “Twisted Cross” included.
Call us:
Ministress Priscylla ThunderWolfe
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY
PHONE: (201) 546-3554
i enjoy reading what you guys say and i agree with reclaiming the swastika but i cant do it alone and i need friends like you. so if you want to help me please post that you will help me and be my swastika friends
please and thanks. and lets bring back the swasticka!!!!
I’m a Canadian artist. I started reclaiming the swastika in 1967, much to the upset of my relatives.
It was very difficult but now I have thousands of swastika friends to help me.
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i am surprised to know that the swastika acctualy ment something good and it wasn’t always bad, i am upset with hitler for misusing it because it is an intresting symbol
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I’m very impressed by the research on Swastika sacred symbol by western researchers. One being, that Swastika carries 70,000 Bovis Energy in itself, 10 times the normal energy of Earth (POSITIVE Energy) and the Inverted Swastika, or a broken Swastika or Nazi Symbol e.g. carries NEGATIVE 70,000 Bovis, which brings instability in mental thoughts, criminal behavior.
I see why Swastika on front of our homes, brings peace.
But I want you to provide your thoughts and your research on Swastika…thanks!
1086. Chrissy saID:
“the swastika did its work; it ensured the failure of the Nazi regime.
The EU should not ban the symbol; it should ensure that the Nazi threat never re-emerges.
Next time, Nazis might select the Christian cross as their symbol…………..
~ November 6th, 2010 at 6:36 pm.
our response:
Absolutely Not!
Hitler & his Nazi’s NEVER used the Swastika. They used the German “Twisted Cross!”
Not once did the HINDU SYMBOL (SWASTIKA) ever come into play within Germany and the German Nazi Holocaust!
The Hindu SWASTIKA is a mere Sacred Symbol and would have been incapable of doing any work, in Germany or otherwise!
You are so right here: No One, No Entity should ban such a Sacred Symbol or it’s resembling Symbols worldwide, nor should any support or advocate such inflamatory & Religious persecution and arbitrary deprivation to those who utilize their Sacred Symbols!
It is not, nor was it ever fair for a handfull of parties to wipe out tens-of-thousands of years of the use of peoples and cultures Sacred Symbols and artifacts, merely because their may be even a slight resemblance to the German Twisted Cross used by the Nazi’s or anyone, for that matter, who used their symbol during the perpetration of gross atrocities and inhumanity.
Neither should the German’s Twisted Cross be condemned, by the same token!
Sacred Symbols DO NOT BECOME EVIL because evil people use them during the commission of their crimes!
If this was the case, then, every resemblence to the Christion Cross would be thus evil, as well as the Magen Davis (Seal of Solomon! These two symbols have, in fact, been used by those who have exterminated tens to hundreds of millions in numerouse acts of genocide, all in the name of some cruel and viscious God!
This is all I have to say!
Love be with you all,
~ Chief Minister Priscylla Renee Noaker ThunderWolfe
[Minister & Wisdom Keeper for the American Indian Church and Chief Hemaneh (Hermaphrodite) of the WhiteFeather]
the swastika did its work; it ensured the failure of the Nazi regime.
The EU should not ban the symbol; it should ensure that the Nazi threat never re-emerges.
Next time, Nazis might select the Christian cross as their symbol…………..
1084. Anand Bhatt said:
“it’s amazing that 70 years later people still think that our Aryan ancestors were white and I can’t paint a swastik on my driveway for Diwali without my neighbors getting seriously confused With that regard, Hitler actually won.
~ November 5th, 2010 at 3:47 am. ”
OUR RESPONSE!
Hitler, DID NOT WIN! HITLER ONLY WINS, IF WE LET HIM WIN!
Besides, HITLER IS “DEAD!”
If your neighbors are confused about the ONLY (HINDU) SWASTIKA that you wish to rightfully display, then TEACH THEM & Re-EDUCATE THEM!
THERE IS ONLY ONE “SWASTIKA & IT IS “HINDU!”
HITLER, NAZI’s as ALL GERMANS, USED, and presently use the GERMAN “TWISTED CROSS” which IS NOT a SWASTIKA!
Love be with you always,
~ Minister Priscylla (von Noaker) ThunderWolfe
it’s amazing that 70 years later people still think that our Aryan ancestors were white and I can’t paint a swastik on my driveway for Diwali without my neighbors getting seriously confused
With that regard, Hitler actually won.
Out of respect for those who suffered, I can take the idea behind the symbol and keep it in my mind and heart, and let go of the image.
1081. Trino said:
I am agree to reclaim the true origin and meaning of the swastika. The nazis stole it from he hindu culture, specificly from the Jains.
REPLY! :
ERROR HEREBY CORRECTED!
Hitler & his German NAZI’s DID NOT STEAL the SWASTIKA, not have taken anything from India (Hindu’s)!
Hitler and his Nazi’s never used the Swastika, of which there is ONLY ONE. the HINDU SWASTIKA.
Hitler & Company utilized ONLY the German “Twisted Cross!”
There is ONLY ONE true SWASTIKA, and if it ain’t India (HINDU) IT AIN’T “SWASTIKA!”
Love be with you,
~ Chief Minister Priscylla (Belle Venticello) Von Noaker / ThunderWolfe
I am agree to reclaim the true origin and meaning of the swastika. The nazis stole it from he hindu culture, specificly from the Jains.
Well as you can see from reading the posts, the swastika rightly or wrongly has been co opted by bigots and haters.
Symbols are that because they are connected to ideas. The swastika is forever connected to the worst of humanity. If you choose to display it, then don’t complain when you are regarded as such.
Well as you can see from reading the posts, the swastika rightly or wrongly has been co opted by bigots and haters.
Symbols are that because they are connected to ideas. The swastika is forever connected to the worst of humanity. If you choose to display it, then don’t complain when you are regarded as such.
Long live the Aryans and our great and ancient culture!!!
People think all swastika’s are racist but thats straigh bs… they need to do their research b4 they judge people for it.
hindus rock!!!!!!!!!
the swastikais an ancient hindu symbol and was also used by hittler
1072. DD said:
“I have forever loved the swastika and…. use it in my art and I believe that besides it beautiful meaning, it also brings a feeling of balance and stability….. By using it as it was intended, we are proving that the nazi failed…..!”
RESPONSE:
How does one come to “Love” a symbol? Herein lies the first error. If you are to love, at all, you love that which it stands for…if, of course you are Hindu since only the swastica is Hindu & belonging exclusively to the Hindu Peoples. All other similar forms of this symbol, are NOT Swastikas and should be handled and treated with like respect, relatively & respectively.
Using and form of this symbol as an object of “Art” is a gross mis-use thereof and subject to great calamity for such mis-use rather that that for which these sacred symbols were intended.
There is NO Balance or Stability in using another cultures symbols as mere objects of art or in using them in ways not originaly intended and using such symbols not belonging to your own ancestral traditions without the proper and necessary indoctrinations.
That is all.
Love be with you all,
~ Chief Minister Priscylla Renee ThunderWolfe
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Well since the swastika is a spiritual symbol, I will make my comment in a spiritual context.
And share the result of the investigations of myself and others into the subject.
Hitler was seeking power and invincibility, and went to Tibet to further this. There the monks revealed to him the power of the Swastika, and how it made one invincible if used as a symbol. It would make him invincible if his army used it. So hence he did.
Its the symbol of Shri Ganesha and he is worshipped first before all others and he is invincible. From a Western point of view he is Christ in a form not incarnated.
Shri Ganesha symbolises purity, innocence, chastity memory. We have to have these qualities to gain His powers.
When His powers are awakened within us at the Mooladhara Chakra we have the powers to fight evil and drive away spirits. Evil runs.
So why did Hitler lose when using this symbol? Well he used it incorrectly and angered the Gods. The Gods in fact intended that, as he was a devil and should not be able to get the protection of Ganesha in that manner.
What mistake did he make? Considering the amount of evil people in the world and that someone like Hitler from a western tradition went to the East to gain this knowledge, Its safer not to describe how to avoid his mistake. No offence.
I think it might have been the book ‘sword of destiny’ that mentioned how Hitler went to the East prior to his rise to power.
Its amazing how many people seem to accept Hitler using the symbol but not think WHY he used it and who gave it to him.
He got it from someone “so called” high up in spiritual life in Tibet.
The result is now many see this great symbol as an evil one associated with a devil from Austria instead of a spiritual one from the East.
Hitler destroyed many people, cultures, morals and also destroyed the image of a great symbol.
He was therefore a very effective devil in the promotion of evil works.
You might say its racist to see the reaction of people to this symbol now.
Chastity and morality are out of fashion and its now illegal in come countries to use the symbol of those qualities because of the association with a devil.
Now if you dont like my plain description and the use of the word ‘devil’ . then what how can such a spiritual symbol as the swastika be of importance to you?
I have forever loved the swastika and been looked down upon for it. I use it in my art and I believe that besides it beautiful meaning, it also brings a feeling of balance and stability. I love the swastika! By using it as it was intended, we are proving that the nazi failed. Swastika forever!
I suggest to stop with believing this or that intellectual vision, since ány set of ideas can be, so called, proven by, so called, logic. The first thing to do, is – by means of some kind of healthy and spiritual discipline – to become so sensitive and receptive in ourselves as to become able to SEE and FEEL what the material and psychological effects are of the things that we open our senses to. When this sensitivity is – more or less – accomplished, we can look at some thing, or some symbol and simply KNOW what it signifies and what its effects are to the minds that contemplate its form.
If one does this kind of meditation on the symbol of the swastika …. then there will be no more differences of ‘opinions’ . Opinions are nothing more then mental constuctions and the ones who know very little are, it seems, always looking to have one or other strong opinion. (One of the reasons that politics does not work…) But i.e. the age-old yogi’s that knew how to meditate and SEE a thing in all its REALITY, they néver had differences of opinions!
All the yogi’s knéw that the swastika is an embodiment of good-luck and it can be seen rotating in the human body! So, …. do your homework and become a real knówer of things and stop with blabbering on about your so called logical and ‘well funded’ opinions! Thank you!
Swastika forever.
I agree with the comment nr 1062. I totally disagree with comment 1063 who pretends that the swastika has to be banned forever.Then we must ban the Jewish-Israel flag with the same reason because of the murdering of the Palestinians every day again and again.History is written with blood. I have seen on the Belgian TV in Panorama a reportage of the humiliatian of the Palestinians in Hebron which is Palestinian land and believe me I had to vomit of such a horror. Those Zionists are untermenschen and I hate them. I support the Palestinians more and more in their just struggle and understand their action against their occupiers. Israel steals and continue to steal Palestinian land and they pretend to be God’s people:what a shame.But I’m happy there are some humanist Jews who condemn their government’s policy. Eslam alekom…
It saddens me to say that I have been recently threatened by the college that I attend that if I wear my hair up and show my swastika I will be kicked out of school, how does this work, do I get to say I dont like crosses and everyone at school who wears a cross has to cover it or get kicked out of school, I was told this symbolizes he death of many jews but is that really what it stands for NO!!!! If you have no true understanding of what it means you should step back and read some history the swastika was around way before WWII come on. It is a symbol that is still commonly used all over the world. So if one person says it bothers them then I as a paying adult college student is threatened to loose my education give me a break.
If thousands of years of history can be ignored because of the WW2 sideshow it is a sad comment on humanity.
To those who disagree. It`s not all about you. I bet you think it is though.
all the things and rumors will soon end with the rising of last avatar on earth with 666 code= swastika
I absolutely AGREE that the TRUE meaning of the particular symbol known as the “swastika” has been bastardized (can I say that?) and that reclaiming it is absolutely necessary, but seemingly rather unlikely… As I came to understand it’s TRUE meaning, I feel incredibly saddened by its misuse because the world so much needs the message behind the symbol that no other symbol can quite convey… at least none that I have found in my study of symbolic language…
I am about to start a range of handbags under my own label – with a logo that incorporates, or rather subtely features, a swastika. This forum, has shown me that I’m not alone in my views, so thanks. I don’t care that I may never be distributed in mainstream outlets but I would love to see the emblem worn proud and in an entirely positive expression. Times are changing and unity of good thought, I hope will prevail!
As a jew, I will always believe the swastika to be a Nazi symbol and thereby a symbol of evil. There can be no changing this for 99.9% of the world. it is illegal in Germany as well.
I think we have been so brainwashed ..the ELITE don’t want us free humans to be able to think for ourselves on how we see the Swastika….it should NOT BE BANNED anywhere….sorry..but seems like the Jews really got us to agree with them in their Zionist cause…sorry..but it’s true..
Dear Friend,
The “Swastika and Astrology” file is available for download here as well. URL:http://www.ancientindianastrology.com/cmsa/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=86&task=view.download&cid=57
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
Dear Friend,
Please download and read this article on Swastika as well. It is informative and could be useful to you.
URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancient_indian_astrology/files/Sreenadh%20OG/Swastika%20and%20Astrology.pdf
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
I was really thinking about getting one tattooed one day, still thinking about it.
Thank you so much for this site, what a beautiful thing.
I like the swastika it makes me feel good, its a good symbol.
who cares about those nazi idiots?
thousand of years of proper use cannot be cancelled so easily
feeling happy that we all are trying and we are successful in bringback the positive side of swastik to the planet earth. it must go on. we acn speed up with waering or using swastik in our main entrance.
and by wearing it.
Man in all my days i’ve never witnessed a gathering of so many Pro Swastika supporters . Why have so many waisted so much of there time trying to educate the idiots of the world. use the symbol if ya choose, here in the states its your right and ya dont need to explain why! me i’m confrontational anyway and i use it mostly to provoke the ignorant idiots that have no clue what it stands for, nothing gets my goat more than ignorances especially in an age where information is just a key stroke away. Its only a consequence that i cant stand Jews, Blacks and the Lazy ass native american
I like the idea of distancing the Swastika from the Nazis. I’m not spiritual but I just like the way the Swastika looks. Id like to be able to wear one without being called a Nazi.
RE:
“1049. sam says:
From a Taoist perspective, the swastika in ancient times up until the 20th century was a universal symbol for well-being and good luck. Then the Tao shifted and it became known as a symbol for racism and murder. It’ll come back around again, but it might be a while. Until then, having an affection for it, I still use it even if people think I’m a neo-Nazi. And even if they think that, at least they are reminded of evil.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:59 am.
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The Swastika and all other non-Swastika symbols of the world, will “come around” only when WE bring it around, by educating, or re-educating, and, USING IT, again!
Chief Ministress Priscylla ThunderWolfe
From what I was taught, and I believe we need to be careful how we use it, the swastika is the symbol of eternal life, good luck and well being, depending on how it is placed and utilized. Hitler wanted to utilize it as his own symbol for power and gain, not realizing that when symbol was given to him, it was given to him in reverse. Counterclockwise. Whoever gave it to him knew of his intentions at the time and didn’t want the symbol to be desecrated, therefore did not really give him the symbol of eternal life but that of Hate, Chaos and the creation of his own demise.
According to Chinese death money, which is given when somebody passes on, even to this day, the swastika is printed in the opposite direction of that which is printed on the Nazi flag. Forward motion = eternal life, health and luck in the afterlife; backward motion = eternal damnation. Every time we look backwards into history and what Hitler has done, he will forever be condemned for his behavior along with a symbol that did NOT signify eternal life. Those who utilize the swastika in their practice need to be very aware of this. Remember, time moves forward, not backward. Really look at the symbol before you use it, make it, paint it, whatever your medium is! If we want to reclaim the swastika, utilize it as it was originally intended, in a forward motion for well being and good luck. THAT is eternal life.
Thanks for listening.
I am a holistic healer and i use the swastika to heal people. I used it to heal Alzheimers and turned out successful. Now i use it for everything. It is universal and the most powerful symbol in all of existence. What a universe! Thank you and i love you!
Thank-you for the information on this website. I received a family heirloom yesterday-a locket with the swastika outline in gems on the back. Family lore has it from Russia, the gift of a sea captain to his wife-definitely 100 years old or older.
I received this gift on the 2 year anniversary of a cancer diagnosis. The “good life, not to be destroyed” meaning is an auspicious one for me that I am taking to heart. If anyone asks why I am wearing a swastika, then I will tell them the story and so help to reclaim its positive meaning.
Thanks again,
CMG
From a Taoist perspective, the swastika in ancient times up until the 20th century was a universal symbol for well-being and good luck. Then the Tao shifted and it became known as a symbol for racism and murder. It’ll come back around again, but it might be a while. Until then, having an affection for it, I still use it even if people think I’m a neo-Nazi. And even if they think that, at least they are reminded of evil.
I do love the appearance of the swastika. It has been used in nearly every culture on Earth, and still appears in and on numerous Christian churches throughout Europe. Unfortunately, it is a charged symbol, and as long as it is actively associated with the Nazi regime and what it represents, it will forever remain tainted in the minds of men.
In order to neutralize or weaken the association, we must find a way to desensitize the public to it. That is, it must be presented in contexts other than those specifically related to the Nazis. When WWII is covered, especially the Nazi regime, it must be mentioned in a very tangential way to highlight that the symbol they chose is not identical to what they represented. Or, it should not be highlighted at all. That is, it might appear in pictures, but there should be either no discussion of the swastika, or discussion should take specific pains to make the reader aware that the Nazis misappropriated an ancient symbol, perhaps even misused it (a biased value judgment, but so what; the same can be said of the Nazis), thus minimizing the perceived association. If we can multiply the associations between the symbol and what it has been used for, we can begin the use it again for other purposes. I am not sure, but it may be possible to find a Jewish use of the swastika, perhaps in Kabbalah, that would offer what can be perceived as a diametrically opposed use of it. This could certainly remove the perceived necessary association of the swastika with Nazi ideology and actions.
The swastika is a human symbol, used by virtually all cultures throughout history.
Perhaps some day we will recognize that all humans are the same species, the same family, and the swastika can be our symbol for unity.
Great site, thankyou for making it.
I agree with bringing the symbol back to it’s roots, for too long the Nazi’s/Neo-Nazi have perverted it, and used it…
take a look on facebook soon (if anyone uses it) and there might just be a group dedicated to reclaiming the Swastika
Peace always.
Is it anything new. traditionally the world has used indian symbols, ancient indian discoveries, inventions and claimed it as their own. use or misuse, ultimately we indians lose out.
even today, umpteen western cos try to file patents on ancient indian discoveries esp in ayurveda.
We need to fight for this like we need to fight for other things in life. It would be a step closer to a life where everyone could freely choose how to live, what to do, what to wear and so on. It would be a step closer to our freedom. Cause those swines sitting in their chairs are saying for us what we should do and what we shouldn’t. Let’s show those swines that we will not listen to them and lets use Svastika freely where ever we want, and do things that we always wanted to do as long they don’t hurt some body.
The Great Tadas
Its sad that something representing peace was used for a regime that was evil. And it would nice for it to come back to its roots. But at the same time, there is a worldwide outlook on the swastika of pain. So while you have good intentions for this symbol, I think its highly unlikely that we as a planet can just get over it. The nazi’s will unfortunately never be forgotten and neither will their trademark. Sorry…
I have made a study of abbrieviations (prefix,middle,suffix) in the Romanised transliterations of languages and the resulting gramatical picture is that the ‘SUN’ is the main ‘GOD’ of the pantheon that make up our words.This study has made me aware that the swastika is also the later Christianised sun symbol of the Chi-rho = Xp = hr = Hari.
Harriman, United Kingdom. 15.6.2010
It is time to embrace the positive meanings of life and to see the good in all of life.
Hello. I have always found the swastika one of the most visually appealing symbols in existence. I know the history both the good and the bad, and I have to say I really like this site and other redeemers like ManWoman. One other thing I should mention. Swastika describes the symbol in its benevolent and spiritual form. The Nazis called it the HankenKreuz. Point this out to accusers when having a reclaim discussion.
kip here again, if anyone agrees to my statement and wishes to talk ask for me at 1-973-865-2385. after2:00 eastern time. thank you
we all know the big secret is that the swastica comes from the fact that it is naturally formed in the common jigsaw puzzle. this fact gives license to the arts and the soon emergence of the renaissance man who will make glass puzzles. we all know this and it is I who shall proclaim it. it is known my life has been impoverished and persecuted because of this but the madness doesnt stop there. there are many other symbols created to add to the creative spirit or voice of god. take my name dalrymple and see how it closely resembles the form of a fish. Is this closely related to jesus? I can go on for hours and soon it will all be revealed and weighed. So god help me.
why this symbol should not be stigmatized: take for example Mandela and the Springboks. When he became the first black president of South Africa, instead of banning the team, which represented apartheid, he decided to change the meaning of the team, and now you have more blacks playing rugby and even the springboks. Yes it is essentially an afrikaaner symbol but its association with apartheid is fading away, thanks to Mandela.
I do concede the fact that the RWC 95 was held in South Africa and Mandela used it as a political tool, but it was for good intentions.
We should do the same with the swastika, no time for petty revenge
And YES Black Madonna, Israel did support the apartheid regime and even provided the with weapons
I will use my Sanskrit name for now. On the one hand, it’s appropriate for the site, as we’re talking about taking back a Vedik symbol. On the other hand, as the comments indicate we will attract hostility, I’ll play it safe for now.
As this symbol occurs in ancient andsacred sites all over the world (so I do understand it’s not just Vedik), it should have always been apparent the Nazi movement arrogantly chose to claim it just they believed the lie about Europeans invading India millenia ago and giving them the Svastika, Sanskrit, Yoga, Tantra and Dharma.
This specious, confabulated theory was nurtured for a century or two in Europe before it was passed to a young Adolf Hitler who believed it for his own psychotic reasons, using all the racial and political ramifications to build an empire and an ideology. The Nazi legacy does not deserve ownership of the sacred sun-sign, the wheel of life and harmony. Remember them for death camps, ovens and zyklon-b, throw in an ill-fated airship, horrific eugenics experiments and losing a war because they were so intent on killing their own citizens.
Natives all through the Americas coexist with the Christian cross, many revere it and even wear it, without eschewing it as a symbol used by the invaders who mudered and dispossessed their ancestors. I believe someone here said that doesn’t qualify as an argument because the numbers don’t match.
First off, genocide is genocide, and bean-counting with lives lost is beneath consideration. Secondly, how can anyone dare say it doesn’t qualify when Native Americans endured four=hundred years of slaughter
and the loss in incalculable. By the way….they used the svastika too….and still do.
It’s not nice to call us nuts for wishing less hate and more peace in the world. That’s a goal at all living things should have in common.
I completley agree with this site’s message. One little bad use of a symbol origionally used for peace should NOT be associated with the people who used it for evil. I hope that one day, people who are not Neo-Nazis can wear this symbol and not be trashed-talked, or worse.
Wow I’ve only read like the first 3 comments and already there’s a lot of hate on this site. I was expecting something much more peaceful and intelegent. I love the idea of this site becuz the Swastika is such a lovely sign that was defiled and deserves to be liberated from it’s miss placed guilt. It’s not right to let a mad genius from years ago to still harm life today. People should be more educated on the topic and people should feel safe to walk about with the Swastika and not feel judged, hated, or in fear. Many people were killed in the name of God and no one complains when I wear my cross, but if I hauled out a Swastika I’d go from the Christian girl to a Nazi with no questions asked. It’s surprising how people wish to hold on to such hate, even here. I sure hope that someday when I see the Swastika spary painted under a bridge or on the side of a train that I can safely assume it was a fellow hippy or some other good doer, just wishing those to saw their tag good luck, peace, and life!
After discovering more about the power of the swastika and its well-intentioned symbolism, I will do everything in my power to promote it to Afrocoids EVERYWHERE — in America, Canada, Jamaica, Kenya, Tanzania, Panama, Trinidad, Barbados, Cuba, DRC, Zambia, South Africa, Angola, Burundi, Rwanda, Mozambique, Mlawi, Ghana, Nigeria, Sudan, Niger, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Sierre Leone and other places I didn’t mention.
People always say “Never Again” when it comes to WW2 and the Holocaust, right??
Well, I will also remind you that Blacks/Afrocoids say NEVER AGAIN to slavery and oppression by whites pushing democracy and cross down our throats by a religion who’s god allegedly had a blonde hair blued eyed son that died for our sins & who chooses only to be seen and heard by his Chosen Ones. Unbelievable!!
It’s amazing the hypocrasy of some cultures/religions. For almost 400 years, Afrocoids served the white anglo enterprise as slaves (free labour) and built the US into what it is thanks to FREE labour.
And this was all under the guise of CHRISTIANITY and white men of the cloth shoving that fukcing CROSS down our throats and souls.
If anything, Blacks the world over shoud reject Christianity as it only serves to keep them pacified (with a blonded hair, blue eyed Jesus).
Therefore I say LET THE SWASTIKA reign SUPREME. It certainly hasn’t been used to subjugate my people and it has ancient connotations that are very possitive.
If the Jews are offended by it, I’m sorry but you can’t tell people in other cultures who revere the swastika that they can’t use it.
You don’t see blacks complaining TODAY when Israel were supporters of South Africa’s evil Apartheid regime, do you???
You have to wonder if it will ever be possible to ‘reclaim the swastika’ as it will be forever linked to Nazi Germany, and thus its true meaning will be constantly confused. Everytime you open a history book the Nazis’ use of the symbol is evident. You’d have trouble walking down the street with a swastika on your shirt and not receive any harsh comments (or worse).
I understand the history behind the symbol, but my goodness there’s a lot of negative connotations that come with it nowadays. The symbolism behind Nazi Germany’s use of the swatika is very powerfull and will not dissapear overnight. “Reclaiming the Swatika” will not be easy, which is probably a good thing.
we should try to stop argueing about rants and skinheads. we should focus our attention on the revival of swastika..
Hi all,
I’ve just added an extra item to the Guidelines page, about rants and PEOPLE SHOUTING IN ALL-CAPITAL LETTERS.
It’s a bit ridiculous to have to actually add it as a guideline, but it amazes me how this forum seems to attract shouty rants on issues that are not even about the spiritual nature of the swastika. At least, if you really insist on having a rant, please don’t do it in all capital letters!
A related, and more frustrating, kind of message that I’m seeing quite a lot of are ones that attack other contributors to the website. I’ve had to block a couple of people for repeatedly abusing the site in this way. Please keep it civil, people!
Thank you,
your webmaster,
Prem
I chose the swastika to use as my project because of its beauty as a symbol and the balance of design, unfortunately some people are giving me raised eyebrows thanks to the negative connotations of Nazi Germany. I’m glad this site exists to put things right!
900. akn swastika 108 said:
“if u call me irrational and of twisted sense, then where is the freedom to express thoughts. …”
REPLY!
Irrationality, twisted minds or mentalities and, even Insanity, has absolutely nothing to do regarding the Freedom to diseminate the product of such ditortions and irrationalities eminating from such insanities, or other dysfunctional minds or the thoughts thereof!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Mr. Vaughen, or whatever… You say World Wars are “…God’s entertainment…” and to read the bible and such… but if you read the bible, you’d know that God doesn’t want violence, so why would that be, in any way, entertaining? It wouldn’t…
What I do not agree is the assumption that the FOWER-FOT/ FYLFOT or as some call it the swastika originated in one or two specific places and then spread out without ceasing.
Of course it spread to a certain extent from some areas but I think scholars over estimate this and do not give many cultures and civilisations and even the individual, credit and respect in terms of their innate creativity, which is in all of us.
Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.
As someone who is involved in art, and no doubt some of you will remember from your younger days that when you first started to draw. There was a number of patterns you automatically drew. These shapes being a circle, square, and crossed lines. (and a triangle).
Continuing to explore shapes you add a small inner circle inside the larger circle. Then you add radiant arched lines from the inner circle to the outer. Now you have a fower-fot/ fylfot. With the crossed lines you simply add other lines at an angle (and so on if you wish) and you have another fower-fot / fylfort.
These shapes can be created inside a square and become more elaborate with turns and rolls.
So this is why I do not believe the fower-fot/ fylfot or swastika originated in only one or two areas and civilisations. I believe it’s creation is the natural innate creatively of humans around the world. And their common if not similar understanding in how the shape appears to manifest it’s various patterns in the their observations and understanding of the world they lived . …And in which we live.
In fact billions of people around the world have the fower-fot / fylfot or swastika in their bathrooms, kitchens and places of work.. Just look down at your bathroom and kitchen plug-holes !
And people and cultures should be allowed to use this symbol for positive, wise, good and kind things. A flower has no place in a sewer.
In the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (Runic Alphabet) we find the ‘Sigel (sun) S’. One ‘Sigel’ placed across another at a right angle gives us a fower-fot, a fylfot.
The same can be done with another Anglo-Saxon Furthorc rune the ‘eoh (yew) symbol’.
As a native ethnic indigenous Englishman (an Anglo-Saxon) who has his own cultural identity and native religion with it’s own gods and goddess. I too find the banning of what my people call the ‘ FYLFOT ‘ form old English meaning FOWER FOT, meaning four-footed or many footed.; – I find it very disturbing to ban this image there is no reason to ban this incredible and ancient symbol.
Many fylfort symbols have been found in England from urns, pendants, brooches, cremation urns, hilts, art etc. Also found in English Christian religious art and symbolism.
The FYLFOT/FOWER FOT (FOUR FOOTED) was and still is a sacred symbol to many native ethnic indigenous English people. It is associated with the sun and our thunder god ‘THUNOR’ (the vikings called him Thor). From Thunor we have the days name called Thursday.
Thunor was not just renowned for his strength and hammer and defending the other gods. He was associated with the weather and crops and god of farmers, peasants, serfs and slaves.
My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive that because of those nazis my people are having part of their culture removed by ignorant politicians. My native English culture along with many other cultures are being attacked by bureaucratic ignorance. We must stop this stupidity.
Below is a photograph of an Anglo-Saxon urn with Fylfot/fower fot decoration. Is it possible to enlarge the Photo and put this on your Photos page please?
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/p/pottery_cremation_urn-1.aspx
Thank you Aelfred
1023. Good grief, what species are you from? You can’t spell, your grammar is terrible and you have a hate against Jews and what you call infidels. What kind of racist dog vomit are you.
THATS WHY A GROUP OF GOOD DECIPLINED GOD FEARING MEN R CALLED ARYANS..
ARYAN DOES NOT MEAN A PARTICULAR CAST OR RACE.. ARYAN MEANS … ” NOBLE BORN” PURE MEN……….IN THE SERVICE OF GOD …
ITS A RACE OUT OF GOOD QUALITY PERFECT MEN IN THE SERVICE OF GOD.. AND THEY WEAR SWASTIKA TO ENHANCE THEIR AFFINITY AND FAITHFULLNESS TOWARDS GOD… AND THEY TAKE OATH OVER BIBLE,KURAN, GITA.. AND OVER FIRE ….
THEY R A GROUP OF “ELITE DIE -HARD MEN” CARVED OUT OF ORDINARY PEOPLE TO DEFEND THEIR LAND AGAINST INFIDELS……… AND THEY WILL BE SPEARHEADED BY A MASTERMIND IN COLLECTIVE WAR ENDEVOUR TO IRRADICATE EVIL FROM EARTH…………………………..”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
WOMEN HAVE EXCUSES AGAINST GOD.
KIDS, SURROUNDINGS, FAMILY, SOCIETY ETC..ETC..
BUT MAN HAS NO EXCUSES…
GOD HAS IGNORED ANIMALS,PLANTS , TREES, REPTILES.. ETC.. AND GIFTED SUPREME BRAIN TO MAN ONLY….
IF MAN DOES NOT CARRY OUT ORDERS OF GOD ON EARTH.., THEN OTHER CREATURES LIKE JEWS , INFIDELS, REPTILIOID ALEINS, AND SATAN WILL INTERFERE IN GODS NATURE AND PROBLEM FOR OTHERS..
HENCE MAN IS ONLY ACE WEAPON ON WHICH GOD HEAVILY RELIES… TO DEFEND HUMANITY..
SATAN IS ALREADY BASTURDIZED MAN BY MAKING HIM GAY, LIER, LAZY, ALWAYS WITH WOMEN… ETC…THEN WHO WILL CARRY OUT ORDERS OF GOD… , A FROG OR A RABIIT OR A SPARROW BIRD HAAAA HAAAAAAAA …????
HENCE MAN MUST & MUST ALWAYS REMAIN VIGILANT AND CARRY OUT ORDERS OF GOD.. IF HE PLEASES GOD.. GOD GIFTS HIM WITH ALPHA POWERS… HE HE BECOMES UNFAITHFUL , THEN GOD IS GOING TO CANIBALIZE HIM……
WAT DOES THE CRISTIAN CROSS HAS TO DO WITH PEACE AND HUMANITY ??ANYTHING?/ OR NOTHING?
IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMANITY, THEN
SWASTIKA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I HAVE SPOKEN..
IF CRISTIAN CROSS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HUMANITY AND WELL BEING… THEN SWASTIKA HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I HAVE SPOKEN..
SELFISH THINKING GAINS NOTHING >. TAKE A WIDE SPECTRUM OF SWASTIKA…
AND ITS FULL AND FINAL ……OK.
MR EVAN BORROWS…..
U WILL SEE DEATH DANCING IN AIR AND EARTH AND EVERY WHERE.. DEATH IS ABSOLUTLY PURE, MR EVANS.. AND ITS PURE BLACK……..
FOR 3 DAYS SUNLIGHT WILL NOT REACH EARTH… ITS GOING TO HAPPEN……. START READING BIBLE …… FOR U, UR KIDS, UR FAMILY…..
DONT DIG BORROWS UNDER THE TREE LIKE RABIT.. COME AND FACE IT ……….. GET OUT OF PARANOYA AND HYSTERIA OF WHITE TRASH PEOPLE….
WHY THIS WAR WW 3???
BECAUSE MAN IS THE ACE WEAPON OF GOD..
MAN MUST ALWAYS REMAIN SERVANT TO GOD..TO CARRY OUT EXCUTION OF TRUTH AND GOOD TO ALL THE LIVING RACES, PLANTS , TREES, BIRDS..ETC…
IF MAN THINKS THESE ALL THINGS R MADE FOR HIS ENTERTAINMENT…., THEN GOD ENTERTAINS
MAN BY DEVOURING & DEVASTATING HIM, HIS RICHES, HIS FAMILY , EVERY THING…
WW3 IS PURE ENTERTAINMENT FOR GOD, ANIMALS, BIRDS… BECAUSE GOD IS SHOWING THE BLOODY FATE OF MAN TO ALL OF THEM..
LET IT BE LESSON FOR ALL……. IF Y TRY TO CHEAT COMMITMENTS U MADE TO GOD, GOD IS GOING TO TURN U UPSIDE DOWN AND BANG U DOWN TO EARTH……. OKKKK………
WOMEN IS JUST A CATALYST IN MAN’S ENDEVOUR TO CARRY OUT ORDERS OF GOD…, IF HE(MAN) FORGETS GOD, GOD IS GOING TO POUND HIM…..TAKE THAT AS IT IS……..OKK..
DAVID VAUGHAN
What does this have to do with Swastika, did they just let you out of the asylum?
THE TRUTH IS THAT END OF WORLD IS NEAR…
AFTER WW3 , A NEW AGE PEOPLE WITH FIRM FATH IN GOD AND HEAVEN WILL ARISE . AND HUMANITY WILL AGAIN FLOURISH, MONEY AND SELFISHNESS WILL VANISH, SKY WILL BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, NEW AIR, NEW RIVERS, NEW COUNRISIDES.., NEW VEGETATIONS , NEW SAPLINGS……EVERY THING NEW… PEOPLE WIL HELP OTHERS.. NO POOR PEOPLE.. ALL IN ONE
HUMAN RAINBOW COLOURED RACES WILL AGAIN TRACE THEIR BEGININGS IN DIFFERENT CONTINENTS……… ANGELS AND FAIRIES AND CUPID WILL SING SONGS OF LOVE…. AND GOD WILL BE HAPPY … AND THE GOAL OF SWASTIKA WILL BE ACHIEVED …….
VASUDHAIVA KUTTUIBAKKAM \\ AND LORD …
SHANI KURYAT SADA MANGALAM \\…….
racist will claim every thing….
if u r proud white with swastika decorated …..wat it means…nothing? swastika is lucky charm …if u post it on ur underwear, how much luck will u have ???
if u show krishna with a cats head .., can u change his stance ??? if lion is chasing ostrich bird, if ostrich closes its eyes … does that means its safe..
whites always try to ignore truth….like ostrich..
but the reallity is that fear is gripping them, and to avoid panic … they r doing all kinds of blody acts ..with…. symbols……
if a black man hits a white man,s face then white blood must come out from his face .. why no white blood..
if a white man hits blacks face , black blood should come out…
why both white and black man have red coloured blood ??/ have u ever thought about it …..?????????
the dooms day is near , the heaven and hell and earth is going to shake, sky is going to thunder, 3 tailed comet is going to fall from sky, forest fires r going to take place , rich countries become poor and poor couNtries going to be rich , the world political equation will be 360 degrees up side down, after all
this fog settles….
people will see a black man riding the white horse IN THE SKY ” GRIFFON WITH LION’S HEAD”…. and he IS HAVING AN ARMY OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF ELITE BLACK SOLDIERS…….WHO R READY TO DIE IN WAR FOR HIM, AND HE MAKES JUSTICE AND HE MAKES THE FINAL WAR
WW 3 …..
THE GREAT WAR OF ARMEGGEDDON”…….HE STRIKES WITH A DEVASTATING LIGHTINING SWORD” A NEW LAZER BEAM WEAPON ” WHICH WILL DELEIVER A TRAIN OF DAMAGE ON THE TERRIOTORIES WHICH HE HITS …………….”EARTH SHAKES , HEAVEN SHAKES, VEGETATION,ANIMALS AND EVEN DEMI GODS R SURPRISED.. A NAIL BITING FINISH…….. THE ULTIMATE CLIMAX GOD GAME ..
AND HE WILL BE WEARING A “SWASTIKA” …….. AFTER ALL …………..
swastika is not a company logo, its a spiritual ace
far beyond the saturation line …………..”
try to uderstand it properly by having all kinds of website knowledges ………..”
try to enhance ur junk brain……..
Yes. I would have liked to have seen that
1010. Hey what a good idea
i don’t get the passivity on this issue. I’ve seen Om depicted in the context of drug use and wanton sex while believers in Dharma let it go. Then they turn around and hyperventilate over underwear with pictures of Ganesh or an album cover with Krishna with a cats head.
How is this worse than homicidal, fascistic racists claiming the svastika, the name Aryan and other things Vedik?
I don’t know. I don’t get it. If this makes you angry, get angry over something worthwhile. please.
I let myself forget about this for a long, long time, but now i;ve been reminded and i pray i dont have to deal with idiocy or else i may just keep my frigging mouth shut for good.
Buudhist Swastika: Don’t get confused about the definitions. “swastika” means good luck in sanskrit, but “hakenkreuz” means “hooked cross” in German, thus changing the context.
Just thought I would clear this up
Thought this might be helpful
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49337086@N07/4525274963/
I am an educated person and I know what the true meaning of the swastika was and I dispise the Nazi’s for changing the meaning! It is not fair that Hitler changed it to mean hate and evil. In schools teachers should explain what the true meaning of the swastika so that the next generation can teach their kids and so on unitl the horrible meaning that Hitler had created for the swastika is forgotten and the swastika is accepted in society as a symbol of love and light and happiness.
Add the Buddhist Swastika Car to your collection,
I don’t care that people see my plate number, I drive around with it on, here in Magnolia, Tomball, and Houston, Texas.
http://s940.photobucket.com/albums/ad249/Vajrasiddha/?action=view¤t=SwastikaScionatMcDs.jpg
I constantly see people behind me, taking pictures of it and pointing. I have had only one road rage incident.(I love Pepper Spray.) He was both color-blind and illiterate, so I don’t know how he got his license.
I’ll educate every person that wants to know what it’s about.
See my Video, on my Swastika cards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7peavRQU4&feature=PlayList&p=D02A197461BABC6B&playnext_from=PL&index=13
Hi Sunil. My dentist is Hindu, and a nicer man you could not wish to meet. I like Hindu people because they are friendly and very peace loving.
dear Ivan Burrows & Jak,
that is the way everybody should think of. it was nice to read your views. enlightening. have a niceday gentlemen.
JAK- you are so right. The best comment yet. EG has got it all wrong and obviously does not know the real swastika. EG is also racist in that he wants to tag Hindu people.
EG, you are so off track it’s sad. The Swastika extends WAY beyond Buddhism and Hinduism. Our own Natives in America also used the Swastika, WE Americans used it in so many forms up until WWII. Pretty much every religion (including Christianity) used it, it was used in advertising in America as well as signs. It was always a sign of all things good. We can not ignore that- if we do we accept defeat by Hitler and his Third Reich. Carrying an ID card to prove religion is nonsense and something Hitler himself would have thought up. If we ban the Swastika for it’s MISUSE, let’s also ban the cross because of the KKK using it as a symbol of HATE. Let’s make Christians carry an ID card to prove their cross necklace is being used as a sign of love and not racism. Sound stupid now?
Let’s just accept the love of the Swastika and forget all of the evil bigots using it incorrectly. Let’s remember the good, and let’s understand when ice age weapons were found with swastikas on them it was a sign of good luck, and not antisemitism.
Stop being do dang narrow-minded.
I say that the KKk and skinheads should be stopped. the swastika should be illegal and the people who are hindu or buddist should have some form of an ID stating that it is a part of their religion and they are allowed to wear it etc….
1003 Hopefully they will not
My support for re-establishing this ancient symbol. The essence of the Nazi propaganda is to corrupt and distort language. Is there any other area where they succeeded more than here, with the perversion of a symbol that stands for well-being? It can be found all over the world. Should we put up with this and leave the symbol soiled for many decades to come? I think not and I’m considering making a T-shirt.
Krista Antonini,
this sign activtes & rejuvenates energy giving thoughts in the body of its believers. irrespective of caste, religion or creed.
in many churches of europe this symbol is widely used and is common.
in every hindu temples this is found.
even nazis used this for the same reason.
if you are not among that union, what is the problem.
you can also use for the same. after getting energy, energy may be directed for humanity or against humanity. it is upto you.
in class nine i had read one poem GECKO, AUTHOR is not in my mind now. two lines i still remember.
There is so much evil in this world,
That anything can be a symbol of it,
you may understand, may not. why so much of quarrel and waste of time.
in india swastik is perfected in the wall by the paste of turmeric or vermillion. for separate reasons.
indians & europeans will continue to use that and even germans and even anybody. even you. have a nice day.
Greetings david vaughan!
And, THANK YOU!
These soap-boxers, however, do not care & are not paying attention to us. They have found an easy way to feel important and for mouthing off!
We here, do wish that the site’s administrators would BAN these indivi8dual’s IPs! We Do!
Be well, and have a great year!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
1002…That is a damn good point
Ever wonder if reliefs from ancient Egypt showing people walking with their arms bent and leg lifted 90 defrees was a swastika?
kristina, i suggest u one idea, people whoM u think do not respect swastika AND VIOLATED UR HUMAN RIGHTS , suggest them one place !!
THE DREADED BERMUDA TRAINGLE !!
ITS A NATURAL UNDERWATER BLACK HOLE ,A LIVE SWASTIKA IN UR NEIGBOURHOOD !
TELL THEM THAT SWASTIKA CAN BE DEFEATED ONLY IF THEY CAME ALIVE FROM BERMUDA TRAINGLE !
TELLTHOSE PEOPLE TO BOARD A SHIP UPTO MIAMI, AND JUMP INTO THE SEA ,
HAAAA HAAAAAA HEE!!
ALWAYS HAIL THE DEVINE SWASTIKA !! 108 TIMES !!
994. You are totaly off subject, not to mention totaly raving mad. Now can we get back on with reclaiming the swastika please???????????????
WHILE ADOPTING SWASTIKA ,WHAT U SHOULD REMEMBER IS THAT IMMOTIONAL THRUST SHOULD ALWAYS BE CENETERD ON PURITY OF UR TASK ! ITS NOT FUN !
SWASTIKA IS REVOLUTIONARY !!
FOR EX AMPLE EVEN FOR FUN ,IF U WEAR A SWASTIKA ARM BAND,
BOTH ADERNALIN & TESTOSTERONE WILL RUSH TO UR BRAIN AND UR FEAR COMPLETLY DISSAPPERAS !!
GOD ! ITS SO PURE ! LIKE CONCENTRATED SULPHURIC ACID ! IF U HAVE ANY MALICE IN UR THINKING , IT RIPS OF UR POWER AND BRING U DOWN !
BUT FUTURE BHARAT ( EX-INDIA) IS A GREAT COUNTRY WITH CLOCK WISE SWASTIKA AND AS PER ASTOLOGICAL CHART, CAPRICORN IS THE RULING PLANET OF BHARAT AND IN NEAR FUTURE A GREAT BLACK RULER WITH IRON FIST WILL SEIGE POWER IN BHARAT AND”EARTH WILL SHAKE INTO WW 3 “
SWASTIKA IS A SACRED POWER !, CURRENT INDIANS DONT HAVE ANY QUALITY IN THIER PRESENT CROS BREED & CORRUPT RULERS !!
THEIR IS NO RACISM INVOLVED,
IF U R BLACK AND WANT TO ADOPT SWASTIKA , U SHOULD BE PERFECTLY DECIPLINED !! THEN U NEED A COMPLETE BLACK TEAM WITHOUT ANY COLOURD OR WHITE IN THAT !
ABSOULUTY PURE BLACK !
IT
IF U R WHITE AND WANT TO ADOPT SWASTIKA, U SHOULD BE DECIPLINED INTO A WHITE TEAM WITHOUT ANY BLACK OR COLOURED IN THAT !
ABSOLUTLY PURE WHITE !
WETHR UR WHITE R BALCK DOESNT MATTER,
BUT UR THINKING AND DEEDS SHOULD BE SACRED, PURE & UNTARNISHED”
OUR MORNING STAR ( SUN )IS A WHITE SWASTIKA
WHERE HELIUM & HYDROGEN ROTATES IN SWASTIKA AXIS !
SIMILARLY , A BLACK HOLE IS DARK SWASTIKA WHICH ROTATES WITH DARK MASSES WHICH ABSORBS LIGHT !! BOTH THESE HAVE INDEPENDEDNT NATURAL INHERITED POWERS !!
IF U THINK THAT BY NON VIOLENCE FREEDOM CAN BE ACHIEVED, THEN WHY DALAI LAMA IS STILL A REFUGE E IN INDIA ? WHY THIER IS NO FREEDOM FOR TIBET FROM CHINA?
DO U KNOW GAUREAAV, DALAI LAMA LOST HIS TIBEETIAN KINGDOM IN LATE 50S TO CHINEESE BECAUSE HE DIDN T HAD A MODERN ARMY TO FIGHT !! FOR FREEDOM MILATARY UPRISISNG IS REQUIRED !!
i think people like gaurav had their subconcious brain sleeping for ever. what nazis have done had nothing to do with hate bigotry , but freedom of india & pakis!
english people r the most professional rulers of all times !! they ruled most of the world for 200 years !!
this even hitler accepted !
” ONLY WE GERMANS KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO COERCCE ENGLAND , SHE WILL FIGHT FOR THE LAST OUNCE ON A COLONY LIKE INDIA UNTILL & UNLESS SHE IS OVERWELMED BY THE SWORD OF SOME POWERFUL ENEMY ” HITLER SAID THIS !! HAIL THE SWASTIKA !
if hitler had not appeared with anti clock wise swastika & ww2 , india would have remained a colony for 100 more years !
RE: 980. Krista Antonini says: AMERICAN GENESIS….
WHAT IN SAM-HILL DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH REVIVING, RESTORING & RECLAIMING THE HINDU SWASTIKA?
THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR YOUR SOAP-BOX!
PLEASE TAKE YOUR NEED TO FEEL IMPORTANT ELSEWHERE!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Von Noaker)
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY
http://www.nativeamericanembassy.net/
NATIVE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST COUNCIL
http://www.nativeamericanholocaustmuseum.com/
RE: 982. Nihit Saxena says:
I am ok with Swastika being banned after we can ban the christian cross for being symbol of KKK.
WHY IN TARNATION WOULD YOU BAN The SWASTIKA, AT ALL?
WOULD YOU ALSO PERSECUTE & BAN THE HINDU’s?
IF IT AIN’T HINDU (INDIA),
IT AIN’T SWASTIKA!
IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE GERMAN “TWISTED CROSS,”
THIS SHOULD NO MORE BE BANNED THAN THE HINDU’S SWASTIKA, THE ONLY SWASTIKA IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Von Noaker)
RE: 984. Krista Antonini says: MILITIA NEWS….
WHAT THE HELL DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH REVIVING, RESTORING &/Or RECLAIMING THE “SWASTIKA!” ???????
MILITIA NEWS
The Constitution of the United States of America is the law that prevents any nation from running for office within the boundries of the United States of America. One does have to beg the question, “If uprising against the government of the United States of America is cause for arrest, then, why were no members of the nation of islam arrested?” All of these events occured after the nation of islam ran for government: Two cities, Los Angles U.S.A. and Sydney Australia were threatned; nuces were hung at Fort Dix; Fort Hood was attacked; a potential bomber arrived at the Detroit airport; The Pentagon was attacked; and, there were two subway bombers in Russia. A possible explination for the violence could be that for every aspirator (female) used in the suburbs, an American gets shot by a gun (male) in a city.
TRIALS AND AMERICAN HISTORY
Salem, Mass., U.S.A. was the first town to put inbreeding on trial, these trials were known as The Salem Witch Trials and they were the trials that developed the 5th Amendment to Constitution of the United States of America. During these trials, the individuals who were found guilty of being a party to inbreeding were given the death penalty. The evidence that was obtained and used by the court to convict these criminals consisted of papers and books that were written backwards. The court in Salem deemed these materials, whos’ English letters were written backwards, evidence of inbreeding and witchcraft. The court then took the 5th Amendment as their Right not to incriminate themselves and burned the evidence along with the majority of the people involved in the crime. The remaining individuals involved in the inbreeding crimes were stoned to death. The Salem witch Trials were the first trials in recorded American History to justly make mass use of the death penalty.
LOCAL NEWS
An SMR automotive employee was fired for having her menstration cycle. This employee was hired on Feburary 9, 2010 and fired on March 9, 2010.
982 PLease don’t make yourself as bad as those who would ban the Swasti.
As for the KKK, they are just a bunch of fools who know no better. We should be able to rise above that sirt of crap.
I am ok with Swastika being banned after we can ban the christian cross for being symbol of KKK.
980 has exactly what to do with Reclaim The swastika please??
AMERICAN GENESIS
by Krista Antonini
God is an actual emanating being. If the concept of God exists, then, God exists. When applied to Genesis, the origin of God and man are examined. Spark theory is an absolute proof that all men had a concept of God.
In Adam and Eve, Gos is realized and understood by man. Eve chose to eat the apple from the tree of knowledge instead of killing the snake, fermenting the meat, tanning the hide, eating the snake meat and burying the apple after it had fallen from the tree of knowledge to the ground. They were both banished from the Garden of Eden. Within this concept, Eve is the downfall of Adam. As a result of Eves’ choice, Adam had to live outside of the Garden of Eden. Adam was innocent and Eve was guilty although they both recieved the same punishment. God is the judge. What appears to be unfair, the innocent and the guilty with the same punishment, is often a test of ones’ faith, strength, character and will.
In the military, an entire platoon of soldiers can be subject in the same way that Adam and Eve were punished. They often recieve the same punishment for one soldiers actions, an actual judgement that exposes the individuals greatest in strength, character, will and faith.
Adam and Eve were early man, the origin of man. The “likeness of God” is the emanence of the creation and the reality of the creation. Eve actually had Adams’ rib, an event that occured through the means of emanence and the reality of creation combined.
Spark theory states that God was the spark that created the universe. God emanated outward from the spark creating the universe, leaving the sun behind, thus, the sun is the center of the universe. The universe is heliocentric, a God given light. During the creation of the solar system, since the core of the sun is molten, what did not melt within the core of the sun shot out as comets. These comets orbited the sun and collected mass bringing them to their current size. The firmament is the space between earth and the rest of the solar system, galixy and universe. Caveman could start a fire and had a concept of God. On the Earth, after the ice age, a blanket of static covered the earth and at the point of each spark, life started.
ref., 1-10 Genesis 1
978
Sorry to hear that but not your fault. No one can hold that against you
THE MICHIGAN MILITIA by Krista Antonini
My entire family was murdered, by a black man and a white man (NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT), ABORTION IS THE PROBLEM.
THE SWASTIKA by Krista Antonini
The swastika is the Angeboren cross, I am an inbreed.
AMERICAN GENESIS II
by Krista Antonini
God is the good side of religion and satan is the bad side of religion. The good side of the bible are the stories about faith, morality and honesty. The bad side of the bible are the stories about murder, incest and sin. The good and bad side of the Catholic Bible is the story about Cleopatra who was an evil pagan queen. The queen of Egypt Cleopatra was so evil that it did not matter if you were her best friend or her worst enemy, she would have you slaughtered either way. If Cleopatra thought that a person was more beautiful than herself, that person would end up dead or mutilated. In the morning when the light shines through your window, you can see yourself in the mirror, that is nice. At night, you cannot see yourself in the mirror. Cleopatra was a person that you did not want to meet face to face. She was a nightmare. She was the anthasis of Eve. Eve was the downfall of Adam, Cleopatra was the downfall of a people. If Cleopatra saw something that she wanted, she would have you murdered to obtain what was yours. Eve would not even kill the snake. Cleopatra enslaved people so that she would own all of their possessions, she knew that if people were paid for their work, they would own everything that they had worked to purchase, gain and achieve. Eve just wanted to understand. If Cleopatra thought that someone else was closer to God she would have them killed so that she was closer to God, afterwhich, she would wear a dog head because that is what she ment by God. Cleopatra was a satanist. She was evil to the core and through the evolution of paganism, many people are now evil to the stem. Adams’ Eve was closer to God.
To Guarav
I will always point out to the yneducated that the suasti is the greatest symbol of all times. If we all followed it’s meaning we would have less trouble in the world. I just wish I could get one to wear.
It always made me furious watching neo nazis use the swastika for hate and bigotry. Appreciate your effort to enlighten people about the nobility that the swastika really stands for….
thanks
Thank you. You could reconfigure the armature several ways…the yin/yang & pepsi ‘S’ shape symbol or the distorted swastika used by Chase bank. My favorite is…but why say?
Most of us are familiar with swastika/yin/yang steam engines. For those not familiar, type “Hero’s Engine” or aeolipile into your web browser.
amazing findings by David Norman Craig. thanks for info.
If you take two copper (generating) plates and put them on top and bottom of a copper (motor) ring that forms a hollow disk, then put a loose- fittting copper swastika (armature) inside and hit it with lightning, the entire unit will be electomagnetically charged simultaneously.The charged armature will repel of the bottom and spin in a direction opposite from the way the arms are pointed. It will ride on electromaglev bearings.
If you type “magnetic field” into your search engine, you can see haw the lines of force move. But if you take a magnet and put a syeel slug on each end you can see an entirely different picture. If the magnet’s energy flows in one end and out the other, one of your slugs should fall off. Does it?
deleting a reference to any web site represntes ” power of evil “. then how can they hold swastika ”
there r tow types of people u come accross.
its not necessary those who crticize u is ur enemy ”
those who behaves like a friend could be deadly virus some times.( ” wolf in lambs clothing” )
” THE JEWISH SAPRK NEGLECTED CAN BURN THE AMERICAN HOUSE ”
MODIFIED FROM LEO TOLOSTOY’S ” SPARK NEGLECTED BURNS THE HOUSE “.
THERE ARE 27 ” LIVING SWASTIKAS ” IN OUR OWN GALAXY.
MEANS
” 27 SOLAR SYSTEMS INCLUDING OURS ”
THAT MEANS 27 x 9 PLANETS , AND A TOTAL OF 27 EARTHS INCLUDING ONE OF OURS ” . HINDU VEDIC SHASTRA CLAIMS THIS”.
THE WESTERN SCIENCE PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN A LOT ”
THE WORDLY SCIENCE IS
OUR UNIVERSE IS MADE OF TWO KIND OF FORCES
NO 1 : ” POWER OF GOOD ”
NO2 : ” POWER OF EVIL ”
THERE IS AN INFINITE WAR GOING IN THE UNIVERSE BETWEEN THESE TWO……
SWASTIKA REPRESENTS ” POWER OF GOOD “.
To sunil
If I could get one to wear around my neck, I would do, with respect, pride and honour.
I wear. it shows auspicous and desired movement. i am active. wear it or tear it. it is here to stay.
i dont want that it should be tagged with any religion, caste. tribe or creed.
though it is auspicious to sanatan dharma or hindu dharma.
I wear wear it with honour .it is pure. it is holy. it reminds me to be in action with honour, prestige and respect.
that’s it. for me.
this is just a symbol like cross. people show respect through gestures. nothing wrong in that. are you jealous? why man. be normal, simple and happy. why tension came to you.
People at my gun club are moaning because I have a swastika (buddhist type) on my gun. What a bunch of narrow minded, ignorant, missinformed, dull brained sons of gutter whores. Anybody any ideas what I should say to them?
Nothing; one cannot get through to the English in any case.
To Ivan Borrows (963): To those at your gun club, next time show them a picture of the hebrew swastika
http://www.hudiwoga.nl/Artikelen/Swastika/Swastika%20English.asp
I think that this is very interesting. I, myself, thought that the swatiska was evil, but I had no idea that it was actually TURNED evil by the nazis. Damn those nazis for ruining the symbol and killing inocent people!!!!
The Swastika is a very simple symbol, naturally it was and is used all over the globe.
Attaching this ancient symbol directly with Nazism is foolish.
People need to start using it again IMO, to overthrow one of the last influences the Nazis have on our freedom.
The holohoax? I find that interesting as some of my family lived near Oswiecim at the time and can tell you exactly what happened at the nearby camp of Auschwitz and it’s big sister Bikenau
Hitler didnt ruin the swastika, the JEWS did. This lovely symbol was chosen by the German people as representation on their strength and faith and came to represented the biggest lie known to man, the holohoax.
swastik defended. it is nice & beautiful
nice articles. must view by everybody.
People at my gun club are moaning because I have a swastika (buddhist type) on my gun. What a bunch of narrow minded, ignorant, missinformed, dull brained sons of gutter whores. Anybody any ideas what I should say to them? I am totaly speechless that some have to chip their odds.
I could not agree more with this site,to the best of my knowledge the symbol represents a method of meditation.It’s relative of naturally occurring cycles everywhere,from your toilet to the vortex of a galaxy.I believe it is something intrinsically intertwined with with our own make-up ?who knows…when its that ancient of a symbol.depending upon what direction its “envisioned” while meditating (among other things included)you can learn to focus on inner energy and disperse of negative energy or attract positive,for many purposes. but that is just 1 aspect I’m sure.For what its worth I’m not crazy just do some real homework and investigation into everything u can into a short period.i guarantee u .you will always come to “relative”conclusions.
the nazi symbol is not a swastika, it is a hakenkreuz (I don’t know if thats how you spell it) or hooked cross. The swastika has a different definition
As a Zen Buddhist, I think this is a great cause. I do not like being mistaken for Nazi, and am tired of places like photobucket blocking my images with swastikas in them.
and brought luck to everybody else in the world if they won the world could probably be dead by now.
it sounds crazy but it brought luck in 1945 because the nazis wanted it to bring luck and help themselves win the war but because they were evil it didnt so the luck turned on them
I think you’re all a bunch of window lickers =)
What is the whole deal here! get a life! i mean the Swastika was produced along time ago, yes it still might be around, but btw fu!
The Swastika is an armature for a perpetual motion machine. In order to start the device, it needs to be hit by a bolt of lightning.
Swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. Swastika symbol means ‘well being’ in Sanskrit. Hindus use the Swastika symbol on temples and at auspicious celebrations.
Hitler distorted the shape of the symbol and used it for his demonic deeds. It was the man, and not the symbol, who committed the sins. The Swastika will remain a symbol of well being for people all over the world. Let us redeem the auspicious Swastika.
First of all, what I am going to write is only what I believe in.
This is indeed a very sensitive topic. I believe this symbol didn’t just affected nations but various religious beliefs as well. To the fact that this symbol was not intentionally made for the Nazis.
But we have to face the reality. Anti-Semitism broke out, exposing this symbol at the wrong end. Hopefully, people should be careful in carrying this symbol. I believe it should only be used by religious sects who carry this symbol. If you are a Christian and believer of God of Israel, I believe you have no reason to carry this symbol. Israeli’s are our brothers and sisters of our faith. Though, most have not received the Messiah, they are G-D’s first-fruits and has not rejected them (Isaiah 31:36-37). Please, if it is not necessary, let us not make them remember of their painful past by using this symbol.
I will not blame this symbol as a trigger for anti-Semitism and not even the Nazis. If there was a trigger, this person is the true culprit (see link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism
Last note: I suggest that this blog should change its tagline “The symbol for spiritual victory”. You must have mean well, but this can also suggest that Christians have won over the Jews as G-d’s people. Since Hitler is a Christian and has reasoned to destroy the Jews for religious purposes. Again, it is only a suggestion.
Shalom!
well different people have different ideas?
ya, what u always see is not true ? tell me aisha
how u judge people weather they r true or false?
what do u know about the world? u think those who r very soft and polite are always nice? thats like a “WOLF IN THE LAMB’S CLOTHING”
I THINK U NEVER RESPECT ABILITY HUMAN BEINGS & HARD FACTS !!!
!! U IMAGINE LIKE AN OSTRICH IMAGINE TO FLY?
TAKE AN EXAMPLE AND ANSWER ?
1. why a not a single jew was killed in 9/11 attack?any Answer? go, and find out the truth? go and please ask the american secret service about this IF THEY ARE VERY KIND & POLITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????/
2 . was it just mere incident ? any answer? why iraqi wepaons inspector david kelly was assassinated in london?, why bill cooper was assasinated in usa regarding 9/11 attacks ? ?//
i have the answer, because BIN laden never did the attack, it was planned by TWO NON MUSLIM NATIONS” ##### #### ” somewhere in asia !!!! david kelly new those dark players !!! thats why he was !!!!!!!!!! gone !!!!!!! finished !!
asliha u r like the ignorant ostrich bird that i mentioned earlier?
u may know the truth or corrupt or biased towards americans ? may be !!
media is not neutral ? is it ? have u ever heard about the alien (reptilian) attack in 1990 at johenisburg in south africa , those people who absorbed electricity from the town ? or ur media either hide those secrets?/ or playing ignorance !!!
why admiral bird , the US naval commander who led the MILITARY expeditions to polar regions was not allowed to speak truth or publish his notes in 1947 ? , go & find out ?, u will know something that u can never imagine !! ABOUT THE great GERMAN FUHRER !!
all the secrets will be revealed during judgement days!!
FIRST INVESTIGATE THESE MATTER BEFORE BASHING OTHERS , IF U REALLY CALL URSELF EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT !!!
Aisha chill out, that comment was only meant to be a joke, a sarcastic extension to what david vaughan is saying (btw I was watching robin williams stand up comedy while posting this)
You clearly have not read any of my previous comments
This forum has certainly drawn it’s share of uneducated dysfunctionals!
HITLER, a modern “ROBIN HOOD?”
My God the nonsense that this has attracted!
#944. wolsy even goes so far as to have us all believe his imbicilic nonsense about Hitler being a world savior and brought the world “Peace?”
We’re not even going any furth with this one!
Be well,
~ Aisha [Native American Embassy messenger]
Hitler used the swastika for a variety of reasons!!!
and as a DEDICATION TO HIS MOTHER!!!!!!!!! He saw it as a representation of the intentions of the Nazi party in uniting Germany again. It would be similar to a maniacal dictator today using the symbol from the red cross as a crest to give a similar example. The symbol in itself was only looked upon negatively after the second world war, and before this it was an acceptable pattern to use
in a multitude of things.
Hitler adopted the swastika as the symbol for his Nazi party because it originally represented PEACE !!! CAN’T WE SEE PEACE AFTER WW2 !!
MAJORITY OF NATIONS GOT INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITISH RULE BECAUSE OF HITLER’S COUNTER ATTACK IN EUROPE AFRICA & THROUGH JAPAN IN ASIA !WHICH TACTICALLY ALLOWED THE RETREAT OF BRITISH TROOPS FROM ASIA ,AFRICA ,AUSTRALIA TOWARDS EUROPE WEAKENING THE OVERSEAS BRITISH TERRITORIES AND LOWERING BRITISH RESISTANCE AGAINST THEIR FREEDOM MOVEMENTS !!! ,
HITLER NEVER INVADED VATICAN, NEITHER HE INVADED ANY POOR COUNTRY !! HE PLAYED THE ROLE OF GERMAN ROBIN HOOD !! ROB THE RICH AND HELP THE POOR !!! HE FOUGHT A MANIAC VIOLENT WAR TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE SLEEPING KINGDOMS IN ASIA & AFRICA!!
MAJORITY OF THE NEWLY INDEPENDENT NATIONS FOCUSSED ON THEIR 5 YEAR PLANS AND AGRICULTURE AFTER WW2 . HENCE HITLER BROUGHT PEACE TO WORLD THROUGH WW2 !!!
He saw this as a message to the German people that his party was to end all the turmoil and unrest in Germany at the time. There was of course at the time a lot of upheaval and poverty in Germany still lingering as a byproduct of the loss of the WW1. The instability came then from the various political and workers parties tried to seize power from the
ineffectual government put in place in the wake of the WW1
i dont know why the swastika is now illegal to display in many western countries because of this association, and if you were to display the swastika anywhere people would immediately assume you had extreme right wing views??. It is illegal to have a
tattoo of a swastika for example, if you want to join the police force or the military as well !!!
The association of the swastika as a symbol of fascism alone is of course an unfairrepresentation of the symbol, which can be found in many locations globally dating back for hundreds of years!!!
SWASTIKA is also involved in the development of cars. “VOLKS WAGAN BEETLE ” was personally designed by hitler , particularly the beetle shape.
the volkswagan beetle model is very rare version and it is belived that it has some sort of link with the occult.
Adolf Hitler gave the order to Ferdinand Porsche to develop a “Volks-Wagen”. The name means “people’s car” in German, in which it is pronounced [?folksv??g?n]). Hitler required a basic vehicle capable of transporting two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph). The “People’s Car” would be available to citizens of the Third Reich through a savings scheme at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle (an average income being around 32RM a week).[5]
The car was designed to be as simple as possible mechanically, so that there was less to go wrong; the aircooled 985 cc 25 hp (19 kW) motors proved especially effective in actions of the German Afrika Korps in Africa’s desert heat. This was due to the built-in oil cooler and the superior performance of the flat-4 engine configuration. The innovative suspension design used compact torsion bars instead of coil or leaf springs. The Beetle is more or less airtight and will float on water; indeed, it is hard to slam the door on one since the difference in air pressure pushes it back before it shuts.
when the beetle car moved with highly motivated drivers, it is beleived to have created a magnetic flux like a rotating swastika and restored spooky links with the unkown past.!!
the nazis developed another form of swastika from the anti clock wise swastika known as the ” “RAINBOW SWASTIKA” .
Their was an occult theory amongst the nazis about the sun considering it a spiritual source of power.
the sun was considered a moving swastika from inside which carried 7 fragments of colour usually in a rainbow . hence sun was considered a rainbow swastika from which all the seven coloured races emerged on earth in seven different continents .
hitler was not dead. it was a media hoax & soveit propaganda !!. even the commander in chief of SOVEIT FORCES GEORGI ZHUKHOV, comander of the 1st & 2nd bylorussian & the don front marshall KNOSTANTINN ROKOSOVVSKY,
GENERAL TIMOSHEKO commander in chief of the soveit air army , the KGB & the elite russian smerch divisions confessed in front of JOSEPH STALIN that they were unable to find hitler dead or alive in berlin !!
hitler’s double was killed and his body was burnt immdiately to give the impressions of hitler’s death to bring down the morale of german public!!
stalin in rage , snatched the personal possesions of hitler like his paintings, his track suites , blazers,wardrobes,his writing pens etc.
after the fall of germany , hitler built a ” rainbow city ” somewhere (i am not disclosing) in southern hemisphere which comprised of prisoners of war (POW (non -jews ) , more than 2000 scientists from italy & germany , young teenagers , youths , women , and large amount of ss and german soldiers.this new reitch used to wear the rainbow swastika and were armed with beam lazers and flying saucers !!!
nazis was even helped by good aliens in rehabiltating this city.
After being attacked and bashed for saying that the symbol known as the SWASTIKA is BEAUTIFUL, I found this site. And I am very glad to have found it!
Ignorance must be bliss to the people who call for the ban of this symbol.
How about learning to look past what you were “conditioned” to beLIEve? The swastika has a rich and beautiful history and it’s a true shame that people can’t get that in their thick fucking skulls.
” PROJECT DWARKA ” HAS TO BE UNDERTAKEN UNDER WATER IN THE EASTERN ENDS OF ARABIAN SEA NEAR DIU AND DAMAN ISLANDS TO LOACATE THE “ORIGINAL SWASTIKA”
DWARKA IS THE EXACT ORIGIN OR THE “NAVAL OF THE SWASTIKA”. THIS IS THE EXACT PLACE WERE THE SWASTIKA APPEARED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WHEN LORD KRISHNA WAS HIT WITH AN ARROW ON HIS LEG HE DISAPPEARED TO HEAVEN IN A MYSTERIOUS MANNER AND A SWASTIKA WAS FOUND IN PLACE OF HIS DEAD BODY.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THIS CITY IS MADE OF GOLD AND IT SANK DURING “ERA OF GREAT FLOODS.” IN THE 2ND TRANSITION AGE REFERRED TO AS THE “LOST CITY OF ATLANTIS” IN OUR WESTERN HISTORICAL FACTS.
I AM NOT DISCLOSING, BUT THERE IS A PLACE ON EARTH SOME WHERE IN ASIA FROM WHERE A LADDER WITH AT LEAST 3 STEPS TO HEAVEN CAN BE SEEN !!!. THE REST OF THE LADDER IS UNSEEN AS WE R LIVING IN THE AGE OF DARKNESS!! I CAN SHOW U SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, DON’T RUSH TO CONCLUSION AS HOAX WITH OUT JUDGING IT PROPERLY!! THERE ARE CERTAIN INVISIBLE CREATURES WHICH WE CAN NOT SEE WITH OUR NAKED EYES IN HIMALAYAS , BUT WE CAN AT LEAST SEE THEIR SHADOWS USING INFRA RED CAMERAS!!
HITLER WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO INVISIBLE BEINGS KNOWN AS “GHANDARVAS” (HINDU WORD OR ANGELS ) AROUND HIM. EVEN IN THE FUHRER BUNKER HE WAS SEEN AS TALKING NEGOTIATING WITH INVISIBLE SPIRITS ” HOW TO ESCAPE ”
GERMANS DEVELOPED MOST OF THEIR ARMY & WEAPONS
V1,V2 ,UFOS,SUBS BASED ON HINDU WAR SCIENCE CALLED AS ” SHIVA DHANUR VIDYA” ( ART OF WAR TAUGHT BY LORD SHIVA)
GERMANS EVEN PLANNED A SOLAR GUN 5000 MILES ABOVE EARTH’S SURFACE.
GERMANS DEVELOPED” CELESTIAL HINDU WAR SCIENCE ENIGMA CODE” FOR SPECIAL EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TELEMETRY AND TRACKING OF ALIENS AND COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
THE SECRET THULE AND THE VIRIL SOCIETY STUDIED THESE ENIGMA TACTICS FROM INDIA.!!!
In response to 936. DAVID VAUGHAN:
I’ll have what he’s having.
well , your excellency , please look at a few facts which will show a great light on the hidden past of swastika and mr hitler, because he had been criticized every where for adopting this symbol, why he did that ?
the Jewish behavior had a lot to do with the Jewish holocaust . jews were bullying,thuging the ordinary german folks and taking over there business, lands and property and destroying the German culture.
Jews were very clever and in order to take over Germany completely they needed to deplete the racial quality of Germans .
Jews imported Negroes from Africa in large quantities to bastardize the white Germans on a massive scale which fueled anger in the Nazis .
this lead to the sterilization propaganda by Nazis!!
according to newton’s 3rd law of motion ” every action has its equal and opposite reaction”. is applicable for the steralization and ugenics.
Nazis adopted swastika from Tibet . although Tibetans are dark skinned , but Nazis loved them because Tibetans were very simple, kind and manly” good human behavior is what matters to all kinds of humanity on earth ” is what Hitler said.
do you know ” Hitler developed Germany and the Reich on the basis of hidden society of Tibet.
staffer was the missionary who was sent to tibet to study their culture . The present Dalia lama was a great friend of Hitler, Hitler was all praise for 7 year Dalai and his Tibetan culture.
scaffer watched Tibet thoroughly and reported ” there were a group of armed men on yaks and horses who were surrounding the Dalai lama for his missions and meetings. these were the personal body guards of the Dalai lama . scaffer was so much impressed with them that he reported this matter to Himmler for creating such a inner gestapo bodyguard for the German fuhrer which we come to know as the dreaded GERMAN CRACK FORCE
” SS”.
HITLER HAD SECRET PARANORMAL POWERS.
HITLER POSSESSED A SUPERNATURAL MANDRAKE ROOT WHICH PROPELLED HIM TO POWER IN 1933.
HINDUS CLAIM THAT THIS MANDRAKE WAS NOTHING BUT “LORD SHIVA” . AND HITLER (LORD PARASHURAMA ) IS A STUDENT OF LORD SHIVA.
NO BODY KNOWS WHY EUROPEAN HITLER IS ALL PRAISE FOR THE ” MIGHTY HIMALAYAS “. HE EVEN GIFTED THE KING OF NEPAL WITH A BEAUTIFUL TELESCOPE SO THAT HE CAN VIEW THE HIMALAYAS VERY CLOSELY. SUCH WAS HITLER!!!
HE WAS ABLE TO SEDUCE ANY MAN, ANY WOMEN AND THE ENTIRE GERMAN POPULOUS AT HIS WILL” HE WAS A GREAT BLACK MAGIC HYPNOTIZE R
FROM TIBET AND BRITISH INDIA HE BROUGHT SEVERAL HINDU PRIESTS AND BUDDHIST LAMAS TO GERMANY WHO TRAINED THE GERMAN MILITARY GENERALS OF THE ”
” ART OF ASTRAL PROJECTIONS”
THROUGH ASTRAL PROJECTION A PERSON CAN BE SEEN AS SLEEPING AT NIGHT, BUT STILL HIS SUB CONSCIOUS BRAIN WILL BE CALCULATING THE PLANNING OF THE ENEMY, THE THREAT POSED BY THE ENEMY, THE IMPLICATION OF THIS THREAT. THAT’S WHY “HITLER WAS ABLE TO ESCAPE “BECAUSE HE KNEW THE THREAT VERY EARLIER.
I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS. I KNOW WHICH COUNTRY IS KNOW AS ” THE GOG & MEGOG” MENTIONED IN BIBLE , AND HOW WW3 WILL COMMENCE AND ALSO ABOUT THE JUDGEMENT DAYS AFTER WW3. BUT GOD DOESNT WANT BE REVEAL THESE SECRETS RIGHT KNOW.
david vaughan said:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“….before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!…. ”
RESPONSE:
This, also, has aready been covered!
Would everyone please Pay Attention?
930. david vaughan said: February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!”
RESPONSE:
There is nothing for us to understand. We already do.
It has already been reminded that “SWASTIKA” is HINDU! We & others have already reminded, that, All other versions are individual resemblances separate from the Hindu symbol, all of which have absolutely Nothing to do with the Hindu “Swastika!”
Can we move on?
david vaughan said:
“only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !! ”
RESPONSE:
This also has aready been covered!
It is unfortunate that the entire world has been brainwashed into believing and accepting that any resemblance to the Hindu Swastika is, in fact, a “Swastika!”
It is equally unfortunate that just as we American Indians (over 600 Nations) are stuck with names that are NOT OURS given to us by Caucasions from European ancestry, and that we are all, also, stuck with the Name “Swastika” for all symbols resembing and/or shaped similar to the Hindu symbol! This also is the corruption and bastardization so prevailent among the Caucasoid Races.
Again, can we plead Move On?
david vaughan said:
“a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.”
RESPONSE:
Let’s stay within the subject matter.
Certainly, a wolf wearing sheep’s atire does not make the wolf become a sheep! Obviously!
930. david vaughan said:
“no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.”
RESPONSE:
Again, this forum is not (so much) about “atrocities!” It is chiefly about the revival & recaimation of the Swastiks (and not wishing to play into your game of Semantics) all forms that have been perceived by others around the globe as “Swastika!”
We neither appologize for having to use the World-Accepted name of Swastika imposed upon the world by Caucasoids, than we should appologize for having to call ourselves “Cherokee, Delaware, Huron, Sioux or any of the other hundreds of the Caucasoid bastardizations and corruptions of our real names!
930. david vaughan said:
“i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.”
RELEVANCY?
930. david vaughan asked:
“thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!”
RESPONSE:
We suggest that you ask a Jewish person for any answers pertaing to Jewish issues and to ask any others, reative to any and all questions pertaining to issues that are not American Indian or World Indian.
The Minister, is NOT JEWISH! He, nor we are qualified to answer Jewish related questions.
As for anyone’s levels of poverty, this is not within the scope of “Recaiming” the swastika!
That is all!
~ Native American Embassy Council
Jeez…Chill out. The swastika is a beautiful symbol (before Hitler pranced around with it). All this bickering on this forum seems to go against what the swastika stands for. Take some deep breaths.
931. david vaughan asked:
“TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?”
February 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm.
REPLY:
This is far beyond the scope of what our Embassy, this web forum or the subject of reviving & reclaiming the swastika is about.
To answer your question, we suggest that you do a bit of your own homework.
~ Native American Embassy Team
man always argue with god!!.
people in western societies are so liberal and speak about freedom that they forgot the bible!!
men become devoid of his true commitment towards god !!, if gays, lesbians, homosexuals are legal , then war is certainly legal!!. the television media has played a negative role in spreading pornography, horror, war holocausts etc. etc
no administration takes any action to clean this mutilated human society of ours!!
if Jewish holocast victims are still alive, Hiroshima and veitnam victims r also alive, when we view it from our western pespective swastika is ours and we r true,
when Germans, Asians and Tibetans view it from there perspective, swastika is their’s and they r true.
sooner or later, these kind of arguments will result in more bitterness and hostility amongst nations paving way for the 3rd world war!!
we r behaving like an ostrich bird which cant fly when it sees a lion! it puts its head inside a borrow of a squirrel and gets the imagination under darkness that its safe and no body is near it, while the reality is that its entire body is vulnerable to an attack by the lion!!
always we should be practical in life!!, just imagining peace and saying a few words in favour of whites wll not serve the purpose,
for every mountain their is a valley !!after valley another mountain arises!! same is with happiness and sorrows, and same is with war and peace!!
after war, there is peace !!!, after the peace , there is war !! swastika takes both war and peace on its rotation !!
TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?
i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!
only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!
a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.any body can adopt swastika, any nation any country!!
no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.
i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.
thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!
but Jew wants to put his leg crossed and expects other’s money to flow into his pocket. weather its Pepsi or oil from Iraq or selling American defense technology to china, the Jew is gaining money from everything world wide!!!
Those idiots who call themselves white supremacists and use the swastika as such are none other than brainwashed individuals who were spoonfed false information about the true meaning of the swastika. Those d*ckheads who are desecrating mosques, synagogues and muslim cementeries with swastikas (and also celtic crosses) are only doing a favor to those who want to ban the swastika.
Someone said earlier who needs symbols anyway? Well if you don’t believe in symbols then don’t use them, but don’t tell others who believe in them not to use them.
Sadly we live in a world where the only information we see about this sacred symbol is the one associated with the Nazis because its all about what sells and what drives the public ire. I have put pictures of different forms of swastikas on my facebook profile (hope I won’t get deleted) in order to carry out my message. I’m not stupid enough to believe that the holocaust was a hoax, the reason why people called it a hoax was because it helped create the state of Israel, and you already know the rest. Why don’t we let the 6 million innocent jews who died at the hands of misinformed idiots rest in peace and we can carry on with our lives, of course, remembering those victims. I do not believe they will judge us from trying to resurrect the swastika
For the love of all that is Humanly scared “Please” just let it go, the symbol’s origins are not with A.H. he stoled it because he felt it had magical powers, much the same as Christians did they cross despite the warning in the Bible not to have any engraven images . The origins of the swastika are Native American and if anyone has the right to display it they do its about pride alright if they choose to display it in that light they so be it, For you Christians you’d be more concerned about the Cross you display for if my son was shot with a 357 then all around the country people began to wear a 357 around there neck or in there ears i’d be beyond words pissed as your God ! My guess is your God is rather pissed, so clean your door steps 1st and leave the Native Americans to there owe Devises and Symbols and God’s for you have done more to destroy a people than Hitler could have ever , chew on that for a spell !
until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world
!!!!!!! CORRECTION !!!!!!!
The above is SUPPOSED TO BE:
UNTIL THE LAST HOLOCAUST VICTIMS & SURVIVORS “ARE NO LONGER ALIVE!” IN THIS WORLD!”
~ ThunderWolfe
VERY IMPORTANT!
It is most prudent, at least for a number of years, until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world, that great care be maintained to avoid using the Swastika version as has been designed or re-designed by the Nazi’s!
There are far too many resembling ones around the world that no one has to use the German/Nazi form. The pre-Nazi German form MAY BE PERMISSIBLE, but NOT That used by Nazi’s..
There IS a DIFFERENCE between that used by the German form & that used by Hitler and Nazi’s!
Anyone can even, also, creat a new version, one of your own! Be Creative! Be Colorful, etc.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
924. Masato said:
“…..Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol…..”
OUR RESPONSE:
We do not wish to constantly repeat the same message, over, and over, and over, ad infinitum, so lets look at just one item in this ongoing and non-stopable repetition:
As we and others have been reminding everyone, the Swastika is not evil, nor “BAD!”
The Swastika or one of the symbols resembling its, shape, etc, but NOT the HINDU “SWASTIKA” , being “a Symbol”, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand!
The issue has not been nor is it now, a sole matter of being a symbol or its evil, good or bad portrayal.
The issue is about a handfull of entities Coercing the entire world into beliefing and accepting that the symbol is bad or evil rather than those who have and still misuse it being bad and/or evil!
Certainly there are going to be those who only see through their own bind and hate-filled eyes and attitudes, who will give you and others some difficulty for using it.
What is most important in this quest to revive and restore the swastika-like symbols to their rightful places and positions, as well as usage in the world communities that has held it dear if not sacred!
Equally important, is, if you and others have the backbone to stand your ground and not throw in the towel, thereby submitting yet again to the cruel and heartless, and selfish dictates of these few Bullies!
IN OUR LIFETIME, This SACRED SYMBOL, WILL BE “RESPECTED” AGAIN, and, BY ALL!
Walk in love and beauty,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I recently Uploaded a Swastika as a profile picture for like Myspace, and crap.
People say non stop.. Change your picture you gay nazi..
Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol.. Are you bleeding? No… It’s not hurting any one.. I can understand if someone who had bad exp with the symbol asked me to remove it(Nicely) then I would gladly do it.
All I get is You — hole, Gay nazi, —- you! They say the swastika is a racist symbol and isn’t used today only by nazis, kkk, and other groups..
Someone even said it lost it’s meaning in 1800′s..and I should even care of it’s old meaning because I am not a buddist I am american.. Even if it was for buddist or any other group.. I will gladly wear a swastika to try to help bring it’s old meaning back.
If you visit the Anti Defamation League website you will see clearly that under each “neo-nazi” symbol they make it very clear that non-racist neo-pagans use them as well and each symbol should be judged according to the context, NOT the symbol itself
sorry for my annoying posts
http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/manwoman/index.html
Scroll down and you will find a nice surprise…
I carry a Lauburu (basque swastika) around my neck because its a symbol that gives me a lot of strength and confidence (maybe it’s psychological but hey, whatever works).
Some retard claimed that the swastika is only an Aryan symbol, well guess what, the Basques are NOT Aryan NOR are they Indo-European , their origins are unknown and their language predates that of any indo-european language. Even the lauburu was found on ancient rock paintings. The reason why the swastika is banned is because post WW2 society wanted to adopt a “never again” policy, claiming that history repeats itself. Why is the swastika banned and not the Christian cross??? good question…
Banning the swastika would be like banning the Star of David, or the Menorah. I don’t think Jews would want that would they?
History repeats itself…well duh…as long as there are ignorant fools living in this world brainwashing people just for their own benefits.
I do have many Jewish friends who, despite what they feel about the symbol, do acknowedge and recognize that it has more than one meaning. Those few who still claim that it was a symbol of hate are just doing it out of pride, arrogance, ignorance, and perhaps fear…
Banning the Swastika is a part of the Jewish Holocaust religion that is at the moment holding the western world as a hostage.
It has become a copy of the medieval Inquisition putting none believers in jail and making the outcasts in the society.
This vicious tampering with our freedom of both thought and speech should be banned as it does not belong in our time.
915. Masato says:
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
And that PREGNANCY AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
915. Masato says:
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
Or that PREGNANCE AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
Attention ReclaimTheSwastika Administrator!
There are too many idiots within the past month, as you can see here. The uneducated imbicils have found a forum for their idiotic nonsense.
We have the tools for you to BAN the IPs of these moorons who contribut nothing to academics or this forum.
Let us know if you would like us to share our IP Ban script with you. Very easy to implement and instal within your server.
Respectfully,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I THINK HITLER HAD THE AIDS VIRUS HITLER WANTED TO SPREAD THE AIDS virus to all the jews THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO CREATE THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO SPREAD CANCER AND DEATH TO ALL JEWS HITLER USED EUGENICS TO CREATE AIDS HITLER WAS A CONSTIPATED man HITLER DIED FROM THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWATSTIKA IS USED TO CREAT AIDS THE SWATISKA IS USED TO CREAT HATE READING THIS MIGHT LOWER YOUR IQ TO ZERO
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true? ? < This one means bad?
I seriously see nothing wrong with the Swastika.. Hitler used it yes.. that was bad..
Now when people see the Swastika on someones body they think Nazi or KKK.
I am american, but I think the symbol should be used how it was.
I will gladly get a Swastika tattooed on my body..
They can hate me or beat me up for it.
I will stick to what I think it means and hate the people who turned it into something to be feared.
Though I want to know if ? is really a bad one.. I read that both are good and mean good luck.
909. david vaughan said:
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese
RESPONSE: Yes, Germany had these, Hitler and the SS didn’t get around to the full extermination of them yet! However, Hitler and the SS did manage to have their Doctor Death’s STERILIZE many of the children of these people while the children were in school and without the knowlege or consent of their Black parents or any of the others.
Children of Mixed race were taken out of scholl by Hitler’s SS and Sterilized without parents knowlege or consent so as to render these children incapable of ever bearing offspring.
Now, this forum is NOT about the History or atrocieites of Hitler, the SS or the Nazi’s.
This forum is about RECLAIMing the SWASTIKA. Let’s keep within the subject of this forum!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
Neither Hitler or the Nazi’s “STOLE” the Swastika! Countries and Peoples around the world had a form that resembled the sign of the Hinu’s.
The fact is, that Germany had a form of their own, long before Hitler was born. Hitler merely had the German version re-designed!
found a zipper pull (?) in the desert that says “southwestern coat company —
shippers of the famous swastika coals.
list of :
Amarillo
Oklahoma City
Witchita
on the back
does anyone know any history on this or can find more than I can on the internet. Hope someone can help
HOW HIGH IS YOUR IQ
MAYBE HITLER WAS PRO LIFE OR MAYBE HITLER WAS PRO CHOICE HOW HIGH IS YOU STUPID IQ
hitler knew in early 1943 that he he had lost the war on all sides !! still he continued the war.
the land of israel has to be created at all costs, it is must !even at the cost of germany !!
he told to his fellow military generals again and again at several occasions.
” WE OUGHT TO BEAR ON OUR VISORS THAT PARTICULAR TASK THAT HEAVEN EXPECTS US TO FULFILL !!!” he was godly !! know doubt.
a murdrer or dictator never use the word ” GOD & HEAVEN”. HITLER IS SERIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE WESTERN COUNTIRIES because he waged war against them for a noble cause !!!
unlike dictators, hitler loved to paint , sing , dance , he loved children and he had peacefull relationship with missionaries of the vatican city. every german soldier has a belt written with words
” GOD IS ALWAYS WITH YOU ” !!
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese working in their army.
there hatred for jews was because of jewish behaviour of cheating and looting people.
the jews who migrated to america , europe and canada became capitalists and the jews in eastern europe and sovet russia became socialists!!
what a double game by the jews !!
thus it is the jew , who became a socialist tool for the war against capitalist “himself!! what a fine game !!
hitler knew the wickedness of these jews, further as per the god’s protocol in holly bible, jews will become spiritually alive only when they touch the soil of jerusalam. isarel is the holly land of jews the zionists !!
hitler only killed Jews to shock the Jewish community. Hitler allowed the Jews in large quantities to migrate to Israel from Germany after 1935. he repatriated Jews from conquered Ukraine, Finland, Denmark and Poland after he conquered those lands, towards Israel. he also used the spiritual symbol “yellow star of David ” to claim the title of ” lord king of Jews” in parallel with the divine ” swastika” because Jews do not believe in any god ! they believe that there god will come from king David’s dynasty.
Hitler is nothing but the divine “hunter” specified in holly bible who drove Jews from faraway lands, mountains, beaches and castles towards god’s own land “Jerusalem”
shock wave will really get a shock wave!! if he reads bible from the core of his spiritual heart !!
this topic is itself connected to the past of swastika as the responsible man who held swastika had great responsibilities towards the creation of Israel!!!
i would only say that swastika is a “great power”.
as per spider man’s quote ” with great power, comes great responsibilities”.
Wow, I really don’t understand any of what the people here are saying, but one thing I know is, During really ancient times, this sign was just fine. The Nazis stole it with their crimes, but now it is mine. SCREW THE NAZIS! I’m not attempting to minimize the abominations committed by them. If anything, I’m trying to show the extent to which these abominations were committed. Many are not aware of just how extensive these abominations are. They perverted the swastika. They perverted “Deutschland Über Alles.”
People are now afraid of these things, and being afraid of these things really doesn’t solve anything. The swastika didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did. “Deutschland Über Alles” didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did.
And now, the same way the Nazis killed many millions because they were looking for a simple answer, a nonexistent shortcut, for a better world, people now fear “Deutschland Über Alles” and fear and sometimes even ban the swastika, because they are looking for a shortcut to a world free of bigotry. Well, as far as I’m concerned, letting just a few decades of abominations erase thousands of years of beauty, IS bigotry.
if the world hate nazis so much then why some nazis were give top jobs in us instead of being sent to the electric chair?
operation “paper clip” mentions the president Truman’s policy to relocate top Techno-military bosses of the Nazis like MR WERNER VON BROWN, VICTOR SHOWEBERGER , ALBERT EINSTEIN & AUTTOHANN TO USA. why such a double cross if you really hate nazis and their reich?
werner von brown built saturn -5 based on nazi v2 rockets and propelled americans to moon.
americans captured nazi u-boat nemisis during ww2 with simple fission nuclear bombs inside. they engineered it at Manhattan to built the n- bomb.
showberger was working for hitler’s ufo force which built haunabu-1 and 2. so swastika brought a lot of technology to usa from nazi germany !!
heil german fuhrer!! hail 3rd reich!!
anonymous is moving away from the subject.
anonymous might have took birth from the branch of a tree ?
a mother spends 10 month to give birth to a child to see it alive. just imagine what would have happened if anonymous’s mother had aborted him. he might not be speaking like this??
was hitlers mother pro life or pro chioce
hitlers mother sould have had an abortion .was hitlers mother pro-choice.one abortion could have saved millions of jews
the swastika describes the ” time machine” . its not mere imagination of MR HG WELLS” ITS absolutly true.
if we consider swastika as clock of 60 minute cycle, then we can divide the four legs each of 15 minutes.
that means the four legs describe the four permanent ages through which the time passes.
these are
1. the satya yuga ( the ice age)
2. the treta yuga ( the age of sun)
3.the dwapara yuga ( the 2nd transition age)
4. the kaliyuga ( the age of chaos(darkness)
presently we r living in the kaliyuga (age of darkness).
after the age of chaos the ice age will begin on earth again and so the age of sun and like wise.
people do not understand why war & peace occur at regular intervals.
our solar system has nine planets and they move around the sun. by law of physics, if any object move around a device in a centripital pattern, it produces magnetic field.
when these nine planets with varried sizes move around the sun nine different types of magnetic fields are produced. these fields definitly influence all kinds of vegitations, plants, animals, humans, aleins,reptilians,zetans all of them .
when the huge planet saturn and the planet mars come near the earth the negative magnetic energies emitted from them on earth, leads to war , destruction and annihilation.
how man can stop it ? can he stop the rotation of saturn and mars ?
when venus , mercury and jupiter which are considered the good planets impart their energies,then love peace and prosperity is bestowed on earth.
so technically and from an astrological sciense point of view , its is not possible to stop the rotation of war. it will appear again and again for a noble cause and the noble born (aryan) will do it.after destrcution a new race of humans will emmerge like phenix rises from its ashes.
then u can imagine after a third world war with nuclear weapons put into use, the atmophere will be so devastated with radiation and dust that even sun light will not reach earth properly and the ice caps will melt and cool again resulting in the begining of the ice age. in ice age the creatures like dynasours,reptilians and huge mamoth will appear and life will go on like this, its evolution and recreation under the swastika!!
THE ANGEBOREN CROSS
The Angeboren cross is a religious symbol representing the inborn or inbreed, it has four equal length arms that are right angled to form a square. Many people see this symbol representing the difference between God and man.
if u expect me to write sugar coated words in favour of americans only ,then what shall i say ?
then i can say, the americans must be presented with nobal peace price for what they did in veitnam, iraq and somalia? is it ok now !!!
you want to reclaim a symbol that belongs to asian religions of hindus, buddhists, jains and tibetians.
but you dont want to understand their religious nature? amazing great ! what a claim!!!!.
i am quiting from ur web site and will never write again anything. i urge people only to pay attention to american thinkings only because they never write any mistakes and they never lie to people”
still i say ” may god bless u in ur divine mission, if its true!!
if u call me irrational and of twisted sense, then where is the freedom to express thoughts.
u should allow critics to write here also. there are always people of two types, those who speak for u and those who speak against u. both should be treated equally. no body can stop the sun from rising on the horizon. the truth will come out one day .
i am very sorry if any body felt hurty about this. but before coming to conclustions one should analyse and atleast pay a look at the facts.
its god who created man, man didnt created god. so before nullifying facts as myths one should pay attention to it.
The Extremes of the IRRATIONAL:
CONCERNING: 898. akn swastika 108
This party is so far off-base and so extremely distorted in his twisted sense of historical facts and research, that we wont even touch it.
We advise anyone and everyone to PAY NO ATTENTION to the ramplings of this writer.
This and other supportive websites and non-web entities are about truth, not the Scizophrenic ramblings and nonsensible myths as submitted by #898 above.
Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
why did hitler did’nt invade vatican city. because he was a sage and had his likes and sympathy for church and priest and volenteers of god.
hitler was a typical vegeterian which proves him as a hindu brahman.( equvalent to christian church father)
he didnt lived in berlin chancellory, instead he lived at eagle’s nest bergehoffe, on the outskirts of bavarian montains. know we know that hindu sages do not live in palace, they live on the outskirts of montains , hence hitler lived on hill tops.
his hatred for jews grew when he learned from bible that jews brutually crucified jesus!!!. hitler was a good painter , he painted mother marry with little jesus in her arms. jews dislike this image!!! why ?///////
hitler twisted swastika to 45 degrees because our world is approching the junction of golden age !!!
swastika is the symbol of hindus also. it means purity, good luck, and clockwise rotation of the world,life, emotions, marriage ,death and rebirth.
a person who uses it is too extra ordinary.
lord buddha used swastika because he is considered the 9th incarnation of lord vishnu.
he re claimed it from lord krishna th 8th incarnation of vishnu.
hitler reclaimed swastika from lord buddha.
who is considered as 6th incarnation of lord vishnu”
hitler also used an “axe swastika”. hence he is the incarnation of immortal lord parashurama , “the rama with axe” who is a priest and hates royal dynasties and kingdoms and wants their downfall.
this the biggest secret of occult which even the germans do not know about. for knowing hitler they have to study hindus and their vedic books for reference.
parashurama will appear 21 times on earth and destroy the royal shartiyas with rage and savegness.
he appeared in 13th century as mongol warrior ghengis khan and conquered the world on horse back and built the largest contiguos empire on earth.
know, lord kalki , the 10th incarnation of vishnu who will belong to india (bharata) will reclaim the swastika from hitler and ignite the third world war!!!!!!!
You people will ban a symbol used many thousands years before and very much holy to Great religions like Hinduism and Buddhism etc,simply this is misused by somebody else!
Is it?
Even Harappan excavated seals which belonged to 3300BC have Swastikas.
Those who try or argue to ban Swastika are real racists,they simply justify those opinions of Hitler about selective conspiracy against all noble ancient culture and religion!
This is truth!
NOTE:
We, the Native American Embassy, et al, are NOT reclaiming the Swastica FROM anyone.
We are RECLAIMing the SWASTIKA “FOR” and IN-BEHALF Of the ENTIRE WORLD….EVERYONE!
Everyone except Neo-Nazi’s and other Hate Groups and Hate entities!
~ ThunderWolfe
892. anne said:
so who are you reclaiming the swastika from?
The over 6 million jews, 5 million Polish non jews, and countless other minorities?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am.
ANSWER:
For us, the Native American Embassy, Native American Holocaust (Council) Museum, the Lenni Lenape Phoenix, and American Indian Church, ALL OF THE ABOVE, and THE ENTIRE WORLD; EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO HAVE THIS SYMBOL AS PART OF THEIR ANCIENT & NOT-SO-ANCIENT TRADITIONS & CULTURES!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
I would anticipate that the Authors of this “Reclaim The Swastika” domain share our sentiments as we do theirs!
It was one man who seemed to permanently corrupt a symbol which meant good things for so many centuries. I’m doing a “controversial series of paintings” and my main subject is the swastika and how it was used thoughout history before Adolf Hitler.
Why is it I’m being harrassed by the locals here for supporting the use of this symbol? Why is it still so controversial? I mean really, my generation, the teenagers and young adults, have become so comfortable with everything else.
My series of paintings WILL be displayed on my various web pages once I finish them. I agree with Lone Wolf back there. Why allow this symbol to be so unacceptable? I so go for it and use it as it was used before WWII, before the Nazis.
(Draven Vynocht)
so who are you reclaiming the swastika from?
The over 6 million jews, 5 million Polish non jews, and countless other minorities?
887. Anonymous asked:
“Can anyone verify why the nazis later tilted the swastika on a 45 degree angle?”
RESPONSE:
DAMNED GOOD QUESTION!
“it was tilted to form an S for socialism”
RESPONSE:
Not so sure about this!
We are anxious to hear the answers given for this one! Unfortunately, we do not have the time for our research here.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
880. Lone Wolf said:
“…..a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
….Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. … to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.”
RESPONSE: To us, BLACK, represents the West, where the Sun Dies and the Thunder Comes, when even we sleep as the light is dimmed. RED, not hate or anger, but, represents LIFE, WARMth, the color of the HEAT that arives from the South where life comes back from. It is the color of our very blood, which makes every Woman her most powerful medicine during her Moon-Time. WHITE, the color of the NORTH, where the Purifying snows come from, and the Eagle, our protector, and Messenger to Grandfather.
“This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – – yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.”
RESPONSE: The Swastika, is Balanced, equal on all sides, from within and without. There is also a Balance between Evil and Good. But, this, I shall leave for someone else’s wisdom.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
RESPONSE: It was neither Hitler, nor the Nazi’s who turned this symbol into an evil one., neither by ‘association!’ It was merely used (The German Form) as the Nazi’s Loga, Emblem, Charm, etc.
It was later, and by others, that the world body was cooerced or misled into believing and treating the Swastika and all shapes and forms of it as “Evil!”
However, the Swastika, NEVER became, nor was ever evil. And, as with any and all symbols, will never become evil!
“….I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.”
RESPONSE:
We need no trinkets to know that any evil individual is dead, or at least the body, thereof. And, NO ONE can “Own” another, anymore than we can “Own” the land from which we come.
Unfortunately, Hitler, nor the Nazis “Bred” any negativity or hatred. These entities only planted the seeds that brought is to the surface of many others who already had these imbalances within themselves. One cannot Breed Hatred. This is a Learned Behavior. The raw ingredients are already present in all those who come to releasing that hatred. Only the Balanced Heart keeps it all in check.
“I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.”
RESPONSE: Your painting never died! Perhaps, you, yourself, let it so. Even if the painting has burned to ash in a fire, the painting should have always been alive within your own mind and heart. My question would be, Why did you let it die?
We share your sentiments with regard to the Reclaim the Swastika website.
However, it is very important not just to “Remember” but, just as the Site’s Title implies, to “Reclaim” and USE OUR SYMBOL as we once did and should never have stopped because of a handful of civil, social, nationalistic & intellectual bullies who dictated that we trash our own traditions, because they have, in fact, developed their own degrees of new Hatred(s).
“Be SAFE, Be WELL – – PEACE To ALL. . .
-Lone Wolf”
Walk in love beauty, balance and harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
I agree that it is wrong that the Nazis be allowed to own this symbol. Their defeat should be made complete, instead of an eternal persistence their ghost by allowing its ownership of this symbol.
“Can anyone verify why the nazis later tilted the swastika on a 45 degree angle?”
it was tilted to form an S for socialism
Not to mention Federal Law Enforcement, if not your own State!
883. Marshall Lentini:
If you are the character out of Florida, DON’T PUSH YOUR LUCK!
We haven’t the slightest notion what you are rambling about. Perhaps you are in the wrong sandbox!
We suggest that you locate one more suited to your age and temperments.
Call us again, and you will learn just how powerful and quick the FCC can be!
THAT IS ALL!
NAE SECURITY
883. Marshall Lentini:
If you are the character out of Florida, DON’T PUSH YOUR LUCK!
We haven’t the slightest notion what you are rambling about. Perhaps you are in the wrong sandbox!
We suggest that you locate one more suited to your age and temperments.
See how it goes? Jew whirls in to verbally dominate the field of discourse. This officious Jew, by the way, has called me to threaten me with his “package” which, says him, he’s “forwarding” to the FCC, as though the FCC is an on-call police force for perpetually “offended” types like this.
Hey Jew, why hide behind the name “Native American”? why not yiddle for your own mythical martyrs?
RE: 881. Brian Smith said:
“…Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol….”
RESPONSE: Hitler never OWNED the Swastika. The German form, belonged to all Germans, and the German form did not belong to Hitler either: Hitler was an Austrian Jew. Austrians and Jews have their own symbols.
“…you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.”
RESPONSE: We (the Native American Embassy & Holocaust Council see nothing wrong with ReclaimTheSwastika.com’s Heading. Nor do we see any “Military” resemblance or anything Military whatsoever.
The Reclaim The Swastika website’s pages and Heading is fine just the way it is!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Keep up the good work. Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol. However, you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.
I, as a child, was somehow drawn to the geometric shape & “flow” of the Swastika symbol. It is a root to a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
The Red & Black were from my perspective – - equal in their portrayal, Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. Reason being, as a troubled Lad, to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.
This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – - yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
Now that I’m 40 & an avid coin-collector – - I purchased a coin from W.W.-2 Germany, Swasitka & ALL. I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.
I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.
Be SAFE, Be WELL – - PEACE To ALL. . .
-Lone Wolf
875. Casey said:
RE: 869. friedcod
All I have to say is you’re going to have ALOT of explaining to do if you want to wear that thing around.
Why else would you wear that around unless you believe in the principles?
Bizzare.
RESPONSE:
No explainations neccessary, only teaching what many are unaware!
Unable to address, “that thing” because it is unbeknownst what “that thing” is that you alude to.
Not so sure about the wearing it. That would depend on the culture! Personally, I would find it rather difficult, if not outright HEAVY, wearing a vase around, presuming that you could be aluding to the American Indian versions on Ancient and possibly not-so-ancient potery.
Bizzare? Very good description of the worl we live! Or, the people within, actually! Bizzare, is an understatement!
Morally & Spiritually Bankrupt, to say the least!
~ ThunderWolfe
Sorry about the repeat. I Thought I STOP’d it before it got out! Apparently, I was not quick enough.
~ ThunderWolfe
874. Premasagar said:
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
874. Premasagar said:
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
RE: 869. friedcod
All I have to say is you’re going to have ALOT of explaining to do if you want to wear that thing around.
Why else would you wear that around unless you believe in the principles?
Bizzare.
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
ERROR:
Symbols are not ever, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
CORRECTED:
Symbols are not EVIL, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
868. Casey said:
“…..OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there. …..”
ANSWER: ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Note: We neither condone, support, nor advocate the trashing of any culture’s symbols, crusifix or otherwise. We were merely making an appropriate point.
Symbols are not ever, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
I think this is the time to reclaim the true meaning of the swastika. Many people right now associate the swastika with the Nazis. One day I showed my mom a swastika I made from Popsicle sticks. I told her that I made it for good luck and I also told her not to always associate this symbol with evil. It is an innocent symbol that became guilty because of misuse by racists and by those who are hungry for power. I even read the article of the bag with swastikas. The English lady who bought it was unaware of the presence of the swastikas until someone told her of them. She became angry and complained about the bag. I noticed (based on the pictures) that the bag was of Indian design, and normally swastikas appear because they are part of the Indian culture. I then concluded that she has no knowledge of the origins and the true meaning of the symbol despite the fact that she likes Indian-designed bags. She immediately associated it with the evil of Nazism. To this lady, I will say it to you right now what I told my mother days ago: DO NOT ALWAYS ASSOCIATE THE SWASTIKA WITH THE NAZIS!
To the moderator of this website: You are right in telling us to reclaim this symbol. We all know that the swastika is associated with evil, but you had the courage to present the swastika in a positive light. For that I congratulate you! I am with you in this!
btw its this medal
http://www.angelfire.com/nj/ww2/germancross.html
“War Order of the German Cross”
hmm, ive been thinking; i have this german medal that my grandpa took from a guy he killed, its a very ornate one.
im thinking of wearing it.
because, of the good luck and such.
and because its sorta like a trophy, to say my blood has helped conquer them, and its like wearing a necklace of your enemy’s teeth for example.
its a medal some nazi held dear, and now an american wears it for the good luck charm.
also, you could say its my best jewelry, the medal is worth about $3000
lol im worried id have to explain it to everyone though… or be labeled a neonazi.
but for real.. my logic makes so much sense!
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?”
ME: I don’t want anything “outlawed”. I am not into censorship. I’m a firm supporter of the First Amendment.
OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there.
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?”
ME: Obviously, I think all genocide is wrong, and I think it’s unfair to compare the intentional wiping out of ones ethnicity with someone else’s. It hurts whether it was 10 million or 10.
BTW, My mom was Jewish and my dad was Catholic and I am an atheist. Go figure.
No comment to my second post I wrote?
PAX
RE: 864. Casey said:
Find a new symbol. It’s too damn soon.
RESPONSE: Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?
Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?
~ ThunderWolfe
I agree with Casey. In the Wiccan religion it is a symbol of protection and power, that is EXACTLY why Hitler used it. He was into eclectic spiritualism. I think it is way passed time to “wash it clean” of the old memories and try to get the negative energy away from it.
Oh, I just wanted to add I know this is a sacred symbol to some (at least here in the States). In the East, it was never taken away. It’s still actively used. I think that’s great.
I say this because I am a teacher and I used to have a Tibetan flag up in my room. Do you know how many horrified parents I had coming to me? They don’t care or seem to understand it is a sacred symbol, and I got sick of teaching them. I even had my principal in to see what the ruckus was about. Thank goodness he understood but asked me to remove it anyway.
Now, it was one symbol among many on the flag. How the little buggers could even see them is beyond me, but it’s just not worth it here.
People still have a real sore taste in their mouth when it comes to this. If you’re seen with one, the rumor mill goes crazy (whether you deserve it or not).
They all think we’re Nazi’s which is really funny since I’m Jewish and I had a whole section of my family wiped out from a-holes wearing that horrible flag. My great-grandma was in Dachau and she still had that damn tattoo on her arm til the day she died.
I would rather come up with some other symbol that doesn’t offend anyone (rightfully or not). It is a little soon. I mean my grandpa was in WWII. It wasn’t that long ago in the scheme of things.
Pax!
Find a new symbol. It’s too damn soon.
RE: 862. paschkebb said:
i am a nazi
RESPONSE:
So? WHAT’s YOUR POINT?
i am a nazi
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RE:
860. Snoop2010
WELL SAID SNOOP!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Von Noaker)
To say that a symbol, of any kind is the reason for a war I believe is wrong. I am a Christian person and I feel deeply saddened by what happened in Nazi Germany during the war but to ban a symbol that existed well before it’s misuse in Nazi Germany I believe is also sad. I run a Christian motorcycle group in my church and I have skulls custom painted on my motorcycle. The skull is considered by many to be a sign of evil. Does this make me evil? I don’t think so. The Christian crusaders had the symbol of the cross on their shields and garments and killed tens of thousands of innocent people. Should the cross too be banned from use? The crusades were founded on this same blind adherence to pre-conceived notions and rules. Religious zealots wanted the Christian public to blindly follow what they said was right and true with no questions asked. When good people asked reasonable questions that conflicted with what the religious leaders believed they were branded as blasphemers and burned a the stake. I believe it would be a real shame to take that many steps backwards again. Good is stronger than any symbol and I believe it’s a mistake to think that the symbol is the thing itself. For instance, a symbol of a cross is not God any more than the swastika is evil or bad. It’s simply a symbol. It cannot hate or hurt, harm or mask the truth. Only PEOPLE can do that.
This message is for the modern Ulysses , M. Anonymous: ” Are you ok man??? “
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Does it make sense to say the Civil War was fought because of the Rebel Flag?
To blame a symbol for good luck for starting a war is too ignorant to be considered rational thought.
849. Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous & 850. Also Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous Anonymous would be best to READ whatever he wishes to ramble on about. This coward has missed the message and facts, completely.
“….“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial….”
We suggest that this unacademic individual re-read, and then Pay Attention! There has been no denial with regard to the Swastika having been made “a Part” of the Germanic Nazi Holocaust!
We would also suggest that the individual find a sandbox to play in. This is not a proper forum for such a childish and uneducated child to be roaming around in.
~ Sangoma
RE:
849. Anonymous & 850. Anonymous Masquerading Coward:
RECLIAM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECIAM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECLAIM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL?…..”….Extremely repetitive
&
“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial HOLOCAUST DENIAL HOLOCAUST DENIAL….”….EXTREMELY non-academically repetitive.
RESPONSE:
Every Forum, unfortunately, attracts the world’s uneducated garbage dumpers who have little if anything to say, and nothing better to do with it. This is a prime example.
That anyone could even imagine any denial of History, least of all, the world’s Holocausts, is not only moronic, but void of any and all reality, least of all any real life.
This one attempts to compare the Revival of the Worldwide Sacred Swastika to “Holocaust!”
We can only pray for this lost spirit, that he eventually finds, not only reality and the real world, but himself (or herself) as well!
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
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CONCERNING:
847. NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: WE SAID:
RE:
845. Anonymous says:
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war
OUR RESPONSE:
ONLY FOR FEWER THAN 50 YEARS OUT OF OVER 5,000 YEARS OF IT’S SACRED USE!
Remember, Neither Germany, Hitler or his Natzis used the Swastika “for purpose of war!” Neither was the Swastika “used” “to start a war!”
HATRED motivated the war, along with whatever psychological and emotionologigal dysfunctions Hitler suffered in his childhood.
The SWASTIKA was never used “as a SYMBOL of WAR!” It was used as the Symbol of the Nazi Party in Germany.
It would be greatly appreciated by all, if you and others could find it within yourselvee(s) to stay within the boundries of FACTS and not fiction here.
This is a very important subject and equally important forum. Please don’t abuse it. Such abuses and mis-informations serve no rational scientific, sociological, academic or historical purpose.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
RE:
845. Anonymous says:
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war
OUR RESPONSE:
ONLY FOR FEWER THAN 50 YEARS OUT OF OVER 5,000 YEARS OF IT’S SACRED USE!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
RE:843. Anonymous says:
THE SWATISKA CAN BE USED FOR EVIL THE SWATISKA CAN ALSO BE USED FOR GOOD the SWATISKA should be used for peace!!!!
RESPONSE:
This is SO TRUE!
When the Hopi came up out of now Mexico, they moved in 4 (Swastika Shaped) directions.
A very interesting note: The Hopi’s true Name, Hopituh Shi-nu-muof means (roughly) “PEOPLE Of PEACE!” or “PEACEFUL PEOPLE!”
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war HAPPY CHRISTMAS
Its a beautiful symbol.
It was misused for only a single generation.
THE SWATISKA CAN BE USED FOR EVIL THE SWATISKA CAN ALSO BE USED FOR GOOD the SWATISKA should be used for peace!!!!
I did a lot of research about the swastika symbol and found it was used as a religous symbol same as the cross many centuries before Hitler decided to add it to his madness. It is a “symbol” used by many religions. How can a “design” get to be banned? Just because a group of people used it how can you take a figure/design and ban it? It shows up in celtic art, repeated design borders and everything. Would we ban a “swirl” if someone decised to give some terrible meaning to swirls? What about a clover leaf? Do we care who uses other symbols? Yes, I know the history that got it to where we are today, but isn’t banning it a continuation of the hate…oh, yes, now let us hate the swastika.
I recently had a repeating swastica design tattooed on my leg. As a repeating pattern, it is in a lot of art. The pattern for the tattoo was taken from Budist art. I am in no way making any statement by my tattoo other than I like the art. I prefer to think of it as the original religious symbols – eternity, well being, good luck. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Hey you should open http://www.naziat.org/hitler.htm website to know why Hitler used swastika wrong way..
up the germans
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RE:
839. Sam Garza says:
Where can I get some swaztika arm bands.
I am trying to use them for fun only like Halloween.
My friends all say I look like Adolf Hitler when I sport a mustache.
RESPONSE:
This is not the forum for that sort of thing!
This forum is for the REVIVAL of the SWASTIKA and all it’s WORLD-WIDE FORMS!
Our advice, is: DO NOT PLAY WITH THE SWASTIKA! IT IS SACRED, WHEREVER IN THE WORLD IT IS USED!
ESPECIALLY, DO NOT PLAY WITH THE GERMANIC FORM USED BY THE NAZI’S!
THERE ARE STILL MANY HARD FEELINGS REGARDING THAT USED BY HITLER & His NAZIS! &, There are STILL VICTIMS & SURVIVORS & THEIR DECENDANTS STILL ALIVE!
BE VERY PRUDENT, WISE & CAREFULL ABOUT THIS!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
This goes out to chris, a couple posts above me. The Nazi did not use the symbol that symbolized life they used the swastica that spins to the left. It’s the opposite. Just like the Christian cross. It symbolizes a bunch of good things, but flip it upside down and what do you have. It’s the same thing with the swastica. Spins right=harmony. Spins left=chaos.
Simple
RE:
836. Anonymous says:
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm.
RESPONSE:
It would have been great if this writer would have included the details on whom, or which Nation, Group, etc., has this Tradition on the right-facing, v left-faving Swastika, relative to Balance v Non-Balance!
Not all Cultures around the world subscribe to this belief.
Another good point, is that direction is “Relative!”
To someone living South of the Equator, which is East or West, or, even North / South. Equaly, anyone outside of our world, looking down (or up).
Approximately 13 Thousand Years Ago, our present North Pole was not! South, was North, and North was South.
We are agin, very close to this Pole Shift, where our world’s North, will again be our South!
And, yess! The appearance of the 7′s could be interpreted that way. Just as our present 4th world is about to draw to a close, when we move into the 5th, the number “7″ contains 3 numbers on either side, just as when we enter the oncoming 5th world, there will be 4 numbers on either side, the total being 9 (the 9th & final world) where all will have achieven that universal Balance!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
Hi all,
Thank you for all your continued comments on the swastika. It’s great to see an active discussion still in swing, now over 4 years after I originally created the website, with a couple of friends and colleagues.
I haven’t been very active in responding to your comments, but I do keep tabs on the responses here. Is it enough? Is there anything more that you would like to see happen with this website, into the future?
Best wishes,
Prem
http://reclaimtheswastika.com
FIRST OF ALL THE SWATISKA WAS USED IN THE holocaust and the swatiska is associated with eugenics and hitler so how about researching the facts of history . the swatiska is referenced in our hisory because it represented eugenics hitler and the holocaust . i love to read history books and i also do alot of research for this subject
RE: 830. Anonymous says:
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS becuase the human race was not created by eugenics
RESPONSE:
Firstly, no one, that we can recall, ever equated the Swastika with Eugenics, nor have we or anyone that comes to mind suggested that any Swastika represented (which it never has) Eugenics!
Our Supreme Being created all life, including humans. He NEVER declared how any species (including humans) were to survive and adapt to changing environments (Evolution)!
This website and Project is about Reviving a very great and Sacred World Symbol, the Swastiks.
Please stick within the Subject matter!
~ Mellisha Bartlo [NAE Medicine Council]
RE: #’s 829, 830 & 831. Anonymous:
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS
RESPONSE:
WHY IN TARNATION ARE WE DISCUSSING “EUGENICS?”
And,
WHAT IN HEAVEN’S NAME DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SWASTIKA????
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS becuase the human race was not created by eugenics
EUGENICS IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE HUMAN RACE
RE: 827. bree says:
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
Minister ThunderWiolfe
RESPONSE:
Certainly, & Possibly!
No one ever got the opportunity to give Adolf Hitler a Scientific Psychiatric Evaluation!
However, the facts remain, whereby such evaluations may be presumed:
Adolf was born to a Jewish Mother and (we believe) an Austrian father of unknown true ethnic background or ancestry. Being born to a Jewish Mother (& not a Jewish father), by Jewish Law, Adolf Hitler was, in fact, Jewish!
We cannot, nor will we, speculate on what caused Adolf’s Pyschiatric and Emotionological Dysfunctions, however, we can and do anticipate his having been picked on as a child by his classmates and other children in the community.
We, nor anyone except those immediate members of Hitler’s family knows what actually happened within his home. Perhaps, even Adolf had the misfortune of being subjected to a bit of abuse by members of his own family, immediate or otherwise. This, of course, will always be open to much speculation and debate.
Adolf, may well have actually believed that he was doing nothing wrong but doing what he believed in his own dysfunctional mind what was best for Germany and Germans. After all, most psychotics of recorded history believed what they were doing was right, and even sanctioned and/or ordered by “God!” Adolf Hitler may not have been any different in this respect.
Had Adolf consulted his own Scientists, especially Doctor Mendal, he would have been advised that it is near impossible, if not fully impossible to achieve the “Perfect Race!” At least, not in the way Adolf proposed and acted upon! No! Adolf would have learned about the strengthening effects of what is known as “Hybrid Vigor.” All races (Human, Plant, Animal, fowl, reptile, insect, etc.) have been shown to produce better offspring through crossing or mixing of genes (pollination, mitiosis, etc.) and that close links resulting from male/female unions bring out harmful and fatal unions of recesive genes deprimental to that human or organism’s survival! It has been scientifically proven, even before Hitler’s rise to power, that mixing the gene pool creats hybrid vigor (Strengthens) the offspring or byproduct of mixed genetic unions.
As for Adolf Hitler’s “…using the symbol represents pure evil,” again, it must be emphasised, that, SYMBOLS are not, nor ever were, nor will ever be “EVIL!” The use of Symbols, especially symbols previously used for good and righteous purposes, by a madman or even evil entities, still, does not make the symbol itself eveil!
Evil People do not and cannot remake an good symbol into an evil one. Only people can mislead others into believing so. But the symbol remains the same, certainly in the minds and traditions (customs) of those who have always use such symbols only for good intentions, purposes & outcomes!
That is all,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
(Jessie Reneê Von Noaker)
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
I believe the swastika should represent peace, sun, and happiness. Since the Holocaust, the swastika has meant nothing but pure evil to our world today. people use it to represent racism, misfortune, and eveil.
Regarding: 822. Anonymous says:
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
REPLY: As we pointed out earlier within these posts and on our own SACRED SWASTIKA REVIVAL Area, this sacred symbol pre-dates even the Norse (Vikings)!
It predates Greece, Rome, Egypt, Stonehenge, even Messopotamia!
As for it having been used by entities in Denmark, Please, when you expand and cover areas not yet brought to our attention through our own research, or that of other’s, Please, include Details! (ie., Who used it, where it was used, how it was used, when it was used, etc.)
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
Regarding: 823. Chris says:
…If the Nazis knew that it really meant life and all that good stuff why did they make it represent hatred and death?
REPLY: The NAZI’s never made the Swastika ‘represent hatred & death!” People, in general did that.
But, they did not make the Swastika represent these evils. That is Impossible!
People merely associated this Sacred Symbol with racism, death, genocide, etc.
Again: Symbols are NOT EVIL. People Are!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
This is absurd! If the Nazis knew that it really meant life and all that good stuff why did they make it represent hatred and death?
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
Maybe someday, this symbol can be healed and reclaimed, but in mho this is way too soon.
just to add, here is the Ilkley Moor link, for those interested http://www.skiptonweb.co.uk/gallery/picture2.asp?id=3903
I think we should make the distinction between the swastika, and the Hakken kreuz. Yes there is still a stigma in Germany, maybe one day we will be able to heal this little blemish on our 20th century skin. But for now let us focus upon the fact that the swastika is a very ancient symbol. There is a monument at the top of Panorama drive in Ilkley West Yorks , called the Swastika stone. This is a cup & ring feature, of the beaker people. The squared off, and 45 deg canted version, used by the 3rd Reich, was hijacked, and used as their party symbol. We should be able to reclaim this, and freely educate the young that it was a bad symbol for only 12 years. yes I can understand that airfix kits of german wwii planes in Germany don’t come with tailfin insignia. It is also an offence to deny the holocaust. Basically an infringement of human rights, of sorts. But for good reason. Maybe one day we will mature sufficiently to be able to put these issues to bed. But surely this symbol, basically a version of the wheel of life, must endure? why should we let the memory of a few long dead right wing extremists change our perspective. Isn’t it time to educate?
this symbol is safe and brings power and good luck ,
just because hitler used it it does not it is antisemtic
it can used sun’s rays to rise from east to west.
Hi as you can see my name is swastika and every time i told someone my name they look at me funny.I wish the whole world can know the true meaning of swastika of how sacred it is instead of using it for evil.
i am the son of ralph raja shandilya and I myself am too a buddhist. I find it very odd when people look strangely at swastikas obviosly when they see a swastika they amidiatly asociate it with hitler. I agree with my father that the swastika is very important.
I wish you the best of luck in reclaiming the Swastika.
The word “swastika” comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix. Though the Nazis gave it a wrong meaning by varying its direction- the clockwise version which doesnt make any sense. The counter-clockwise version holds the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck for all of us.
A symbol so pure in its meaning and so important as in belief by people all over the world should be given its due respect. People who know history from the second world war should return to the books and read some more of it to get the proper understanding of this symbol. Changing the US Navy building because it resembles Swastik is immature. US has been a guiding force in shaping world history and this act will not be digested well by many.
THANK YOU 824. Digby, 823. drishikagupta, 822. Irene Lopes- Lisbon- Portugal
and all others who have responded to this project and given your own knowledge & wisdom regarding the Sacred Swastika.
A Special Thanks to all who are supporting this project and to all of thos who are taking an active part in the Swastika’s revival!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker) [NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY]
The symbol will only ever be appreciated by those who are ready to see what lies beneath the surface of things. The negative form of it could be said to be materialism at its worst, and the positive form of it, to be the Ascension of Consciousness, when the Yin and the Yang are in harmony.
swastika as its significance
why are we not following it
as we should
it is one of the indian national traditions
and we indians are not following it as its
importance
tthank you
love drishika
I live in a city, whose flag is a black swastika. It’s as old as the 2nd half of the XIIth century at least.
The city name means city of Light, or Lug, an ancient celt god. The flag was exported to Ceuta (now spanish, in the north o Africa- East side of the strait ) in 1415. Several maps of the age of discoveries (XV- XVI centuries) show portuguese territories with a swastika flag. Ancient stones have the symbol carved bronze and iron ages at least.
As follower of the ancient religion of Persia, I would like to say that in central Portugal we have a prayer: «God prevent us from bad ideias, bad words and bad actions» and we make crosses on the forehead, the lips and the chest. Aryan from the Caucasus reach here in the Vth century, or it’s older?
Some people consider Tomar, the sacret center of the country. Inside the wall (paredes) of a XIIth century castle we have the 3 plants: Cupressus , orange tree and myrtus.
sorry, I do not write english for more than 25 years
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: COUNCIL Of ELDERS:
RE: 822. Brandon Lau says:
“I think the swastika should be on every window in the world.”
WHY?
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I think the swastika should be on every window in the world.
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY:
819. tengyal said:
“AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay.
[SWASTIKA is NOT NAZI
and
NAZI is NOT SWASTIKA(!)"]
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
DON’T THINK WE COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER, OURSELVES!!!!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay. Swastika is not nazi and nazi is not swastika.
THANK YOU
817. winevine
Glad you introduced that one to Americans and the world!
Indeed, not only is the San Diego bay Marines buildings in Coronado, CA built in the shape of a Swastika, there are others within American Borders.
Another good item worth mentioning is that America’s own Boy Scouts has used the Swastika in their regalia!
We haven’t had the time to mentione these yet as we are still compiling research material for our publication of complete data and specifics on this subject!
It is good that a number of you are doing your homework!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
If you look at a Google map of the US Marines buildings in Coronado, CA in the San Diego bay, you will notice that they are shaped in a swastika.
There are also some interesting paleolithic drawings which consist of 4 elk or some such animal joined at the feet extending in the four directions. You should try to find some images on the web, it is hard to visualize without seeing but it does seem to be some sort of proto-swastika.
BTW RAJ the symbol the cross should be an insult to christ and cristians cause that was not only where he so called died for our sins that was also where he died and was tortured soo pretty much everyone is representing the device used to torture gos so called son and not only that the cross is a not holy it is bloody
If some retarded maniac uses the cross as his symbol, and murders millions, would you ban CROSS, a symbol of Christianity? Swastik is an original symbol of spirituality, wishing well to all living beings.
RE: #2: 809. risto says:
…. U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
THE MERE FACT THAT THIS VERY WEBSITE WAS CREATED BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED TO GO WORLD-PUBLIC WITH THE SWASTIKA REVIVAL CAMPAIGN, SHOWS THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MET WITH SUCCESS.
MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO AQUIRED THE THOUGHT AND ACTED ON THE PROJECT, EVEN BEFORE WE CHOSE TO TREAD THIS CONTRIVERSIAL TASK!
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
RE: 809. risto says:
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
RESPONSE!
Firstly, as you can clearly see upon scrolling down these comments and viewing all of ours, we HAVE PUT OUR FACE ON THIS! WE HAVE INCLUDED MY NAME AND THE COMPLETE URL OF THE EMBASSY!
SECONDLY: WE DO NOT, NOR WILL WE “WORSHIP” ANY SYMBOL!
WE WORSHIP THE CREATOR< "GRANDFATHER, GOD, GREAT FORCE, GREAT MYSTERY, WHATEVER YOU CALL HIM/HER! The SWASTIKA IS, AFTER ALL, A SYMBOL, A MEDICINE TOOL, THAT IS ALL!
~ CHIEF MINISTER THUNDERWOLFE
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
I beleive in Sai Baba and I am not scared to put my name and face behind what i have said.
Risto
The Swastika, Fylfot or Wheel of Life is one of the most ancient & universal symbols of life, common to many religions. The banning of this symbol would therefore be an act of oppression of the sort perpetrated by the Nazi & Soviet regimes. Do these ignorant oppressors of freedom of expression propose to ban the ‘hammer & sickle’ symbol too?
If you are Jain, Hindu, Buddhist, Bon, Pagan, First Nation American, or of any other group, religion or culture for whom the Swastika is sacred: STAND AGAINST INJUSTICE & WEAR YOUR SWASTIKA WITH PRIDE! Peace & Blessings, may all beings be liberated from suffering & the causes of suffering.
there is a strong assaciation in ancient artifacts between the swastika and the owl in particular.owls have zygodactylous or semizygodactylous (outer toe reversible.) feet that can leave swastika like foot-prints in loose dirt or sand.
I have always admired the swastika for its true meaning and been annoyed with those who would act discriminatory towards me for having any association with it. I believe in its power however. I hope It will become the symbol of a new Religion Based on a new Dharma.
Swastika is used since time immemorial in Dharmic countries. It is racism to ban it anywhere. We may also ban chruch cross or muslim allahu akbar since their invaders commited horrible crimes. It is like blood libel posed on jews in middle ages.
The Swastika is a holy symbol and meaning
in sanskrit is well being. I agree this holy
symbol was stolen by the Nazis and
I like this site’s goal of reclaiming the
swastika as holy symbol of many cultures.
I will discuss more in the future about
The 1st amendment of the US Constitution
and my experience from being a polytheist
whose main practice is Tibetan buddhism.
WHEREAS, HITLER HAS An AUSTRIAN FATHER, and a JEWISH MOTHER, by JEWISH LAW and all MATRILINIAL SOCIETy’s LAWs, that makes HITLER LEGALLY “JEWISH!”
RE: 803. Anonymous says:
“Hitler was pure blood.”
Hitler was a Mestizo, a Mixed Blood, bothe Austrian & JEWISH!
DOCUMENTED BY HISTORY, THIS IS UNDENIABLE & INDISPUTABLE!
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY
Correction of Extreme Error: “never” incorectly mistyped in previous commentary:
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity ever result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity never result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: American Indian Anti Defamation Council
RE: # 793: Daniel Dewulf
“History is written with blood in the name of many religions.”
Well said, as is the entire commentary!
The comments 791 &792 reflect the historical thruth about both crosses.
We Christians must accept that millions were murdered by people wearing the christian cross.Hitler as a Catholic with the blessing of many fanatic so called Catholics was doing the same under the swastica cross.See the film:Amen ! The catholic church defended the most cruel nazis after the war helping them to escape to South America because of their services to the anti-jewish Catholic church!
And now we witness the murdering of the Palestinian people under the jewish david cross!
Everybody
his turn???
History is written with blood in the name of many religions.
John Lennon was singing with conviction “give peace a chance”
I think the Americans voted this time right and let us hope something will change in the good direction
Over One Hundred Million Indigenous Peoples were butchered (Exterminated) by those carrying the CHRISTIAN CROSS!
Perhaps we all should BAN this symbol, so sacred to True Christions around the world?
The Christion Cross is no more guilty of any wrong-doing than the multiple versions of the ‘Swastika!’
Crosse’s and Swastika’s murder and exterminate no more than guns, bombs and nuclear fallout!
Leave the Swastika alone and leave the Peoples alone who utilize this sacred symbol, and get on with the business of Chaim (Life)!
MeKe Aloha, ASalam Aleichem, Shalom Aleichem, Love be with you,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum: As long as there are those who keep, or treat this sacred symbol as an item of ‘Evil,’ it will continue to be utilized in acts of hatred & bigotry!
Take this away from them, and they can no longer use it as an item of ‘Hate’ or use it in their acts of ‘Hatred!’
re: “My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive”
Thousands of Africans were butchered by thugs sporting the Crist cross in full flames! Does the entire world have this ‘cross’ symbol banned because of a handfull of racist barbarians who used it in the performance of their evil? No! of course not!
The NAZI’s were in power and used their form of the Swastika for roughly (+-) 10 (TEN) Years! The various forms of the Swastika have been used world-wide for over 5,000 (Five Thousand) Years!
For those who find this sacred symbol ‘offensive,’ stop attempting to bully the entire world and Dictatorily forbidding the entire world from using their symbol because you persist in blaming the symbol rather than the evil party’s who have mis-used their own version!
All can cry perpetually about the past, or they can lick their wounds, release themselves from their ‘Grudges,’ allow their wounds to stop festering and finally heal, move on with their lives, and stop picking on the rest of the world who never did a thing to hurt or offend you!
~ ThunderWolfe [Chief Minister: Native American Embassy & Trustee: Native American Holocaust Museum, Inc.]
“Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.”
How conveniently relativistic and evasive.
re: “i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.”
I believe We Speak for people’s Around the World, when we say, You are Welcome!
Someone should have taken on this task dekades ago!
However, it is done! We will continue this project until the entire world no longer sees this Sacred Symbol as evil as force-fed by so few, and to re-vive it world wide as the Holy emblem and/or Medicine it has always been!
MeKe Aloha,
~ Thunderwolfe
Post Scriptum:
Thanks much for the Armenian Swastika details! You covered a thing or two, that we had not yet uncovered regarding the Armenian Symbol.
RE: “u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .”
ANSWER: NO WE DID NOT!
HAVE YOU ANY IDEA OF THE WIDE SPREAD USE OF THIS HOLY SYMBOL?
WE WILL BE RESEARCHING THIS SACRED SYMBOL FOR YEARS TO COME, AND CONTINUE TO LOCATE MORE NOT YET UNEARTHED!
WE POST THEM AS WE LOCATE THEM.
THESE FORUMs DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE TO LIST EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, OR EVERY LAST DETAIL!
WE LEAVE IT UP TO ALL WHO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SWASTIKA SUBJECT, TO, DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK!
~ ThunderWolde [Chief Minister: NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM]
u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .the armenian people have long used the swastica as a symbol of life the sun and god. the word AST in the armenian language has thousands of uses for example ASTvadz in armenian means god, aramast was the sungods son… recent archeological finds in armenia also have pottery wepons and clothing bearing the swastica and armenian writings.. it is also believed that the armenian alphabet has beenderived from the swastica alone . almost all the letters bear a shocking resemblence to the swastica…i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM:
We have contemplated becoming instrumental as Primary Principle to Revive the World Sacred Swastika Symbol for near 20 Years.
It came time: We have begun the task in September of 2009.
We are advocating that all Peoples, worldwide, take their Swastika back and start using it again.
The Swastika, in whatever form it was originaly intended & used was never evil, but only became offensive to a select few individuals and groups as a result of this Spiritual Sign having been misused by an evil and emotionologicaly dysfunctional Austrian/Jewish Mixed-Blood who went on to become the evil dictator of germany during the oppressive Nazi era.
Take this Symbol away from the world’s biggots and other Hate groups & individuals, and, it then can no longer be used effectively as a Hate symbol!
~ ThunderWolfe
In the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (Runic Alphabet) we find the ‘Sigel (sun) S’. One ‘Sigel’ placed across another at a right angle gives us a fower-fot, a fylfot.
The same can be done with another Anglo-Saxon Furthorc rune the ‘eoh (yew) symbol’.
What I do not agree is the assumption that the FOWER-FOT/ FYLFOT or as some call it the swastika originated in one or two specific places and then spread out without ceasing.
Of course it spread to a certain extent from some areas but I think scholars over estimate this and do not give many cultures and civilisations and even the individual, credit and respect in terms of their innate creativity, which is in all of us.
Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.
As someone who is involved in art, and no doubt some of you will remember from your younger days that when you first started to draw. There was a number of patterns you automatically drew. These shapes being a circle, square, and crossed lines. (and a triangle).
Continuing to explore shapes you add a small inner circle inside the larger circle. Then you add radiant arched lines from the inner circle to the outer. Now you have a fower-fot/ fylfot. With the crossed lines you simply add other lines at an angle (and so on if you wish) and you have another fower-fot / fylfort.
These shapes can be created inside a square and become more elaborate with turns and rolls.
So this is why I do not believe the fower-fot/ fylfot or swastika originated in only one or two areas and civilisations. I believe it’s creation is the natural innate creatively of humans around the world. And their common if not similar understanding in how the shape appears to manifest it’s various patterns in the their observations and understanding of the world they lived . …And in which we live.
In fact billions of people around the world have the fower-fot / fylfot or swastika in their bathrooms, kitchens and places of work.. Just look down at your bathroom and kitchen plug-holes !
As a native ethnic indigenous Englishman (an Anglo-Saxon) who has his own cultural identity and native religion with it’s own gods and goddess. I too find the banning of what my people call the ‘ FYLFOT ‘ form old English meaning FOWER FOT, meaning four-footed or many footed.; – I find it very disturbing to ban this image there is no reason to ban this incredible and ancient symbol.
Many fylfort symbols have been found in England from urns, pendants, brooches, cremation urns, hilts, art etc. Also found in English Christian religious art and symbolism.
The FYLFOT/FOWER FOT (FOUR FOOTED) was and still is a sacred symbol to many native ethnic indigenous English people. It is associated with the sun and our thunder god ‘THUNOR’ (the vikings called him Thor). From Thunor we have the days name called Thursday.
Thunor was not just renowned for his strength and hammer and defending the other gods. He was associated with the weather and crops and god of farmers, peasants, serfs and slaves.
My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive that because of those nazis my people are having part of their culture removed by ignorant politicians. My native English culture along with many other cultures are being attacked by bureaucratic ignorance. We must stop this stupidity.
Below is a photograph of an Anglo-Saxon urn with Fylfot/fower fot decoration. Is it possible to enlarge the Photo and put this on your Photos page please?
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/p/pottery_cremation_urn-1.aspx
Thank you Aelfred
It’s safe to say that the nazi’s did as good job of brand association with the swastika as coca-cola did with american santa claus. I’m happy to say I have a friend from india whose name is Swastika, but sadly she doesn’t use it in public. I’m trying to figure out ways of using the symbol without it’s associated nazi inheritance, but unfortunately I work in the same colour pallete so it’s really hard. Thanks for the site! Spread the word.
Hey you should open http://www.naziat.org website to know why Hitler used swastika wrong way..
Thanks to whoever created this website… It is sad that a few twisted people took something totally positive and turned it into the exact opposite. I have collected Chinese antiques for a number of years and got interested in their symbolism as a result. I have some silk textiles, an Imperial Court Robe, and some other silk embroideries which are exquisite. There are swastikas prominently placed on them because of it’s powerful positive symbolism. Many people are still ignorant to it’s true origins and meaning. Just as with the Civil Rights Movement, ignorance is often what kept forward movement from occurring and enlightenment and growth as one people.
Keep this thing going! If we want to change things…we need to be involved.
In the Maya culture in Yucatán, the swastika is a astronomical symbol for the Polar Star. And mountain climbers like me use as a recordatory of our ancient cultures.
Heil Berg !!!
In japan swatsika symbol is a chinese character read “manji”(?) and used in the buddhism tradition. You can see this symbol everywhere in japan.
hg
I know the swastika has an old and honorable pre-nazi history–but I would advise anybody to think twice before getting a swastika tattoo or wearing a swastika armband to a party–at least don’t put it on til you get there and be sure the other guests know what you are about. People who know the deep meaning of the swastika are few and far between. Most people will react negatively and treat you with contempt.The police won’t like you.And, worst of all, you may attract the love of skinheads and other assorted sociopaths.
I love how this website was made, it explains the clear truth of the swastika, for many years I have tried to explain to people that the swastika was not invented by the Nazi Party, nor was it to represent ‘world domination’ or ‘evil’ as they were led to believe.
I understand how many people would see it as an evil symbol, and think that everybody who wears it are trouble makers, but they’re just focusing on what happened during World War II, for that reason alone I got royally ticked off and wanted to find a way to show that the swastika is actually there for a good purpose, and has better meaning.
I just don’t see why people were so touchy over the incident when Prince Harry was wearing a swastika at a FANCY DRESS party… I do hope that this website becomes known to the entire world…
For that, I’m going to do my part, I’ll be publishing this link on all the websites I administrate and pass the link to all the people I know!
Personally, I have always loved the swastika, ever since I was a child, when I first saw it I fell in love with it and it made me feel peaceful, I don’t know why, but the swastika will always mean more to me than other symbols… Like the Cross or the Pentacle.
Thank You for presenting us with this website!
Lots of Love, Jamie Lee Andrews
Head Administrator of the International Sixfold Union
thanks for making this website. i didn’t know this site was made. i love the real meaning of the Swasika.
This signs been around for many years and just because some ignorant fools deemed to use it for ignorance should’t be blamed on the symbol i agree everyone should know the true meaning…
Hi,
Thanks for creating a website to inform the world the real meaning of SWASTIKA.
Keep up the work.
Hurrah to SWASTIKA
THE SWASTIKA IS A religious SYMBOL USED BY MANY CULTURES AROUND THE WORLD IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SO DONT PUNISH US
WE DID NOTHING!!!!!!!
SO BRING IT BACK AND FIGHT FOR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
And if there are problems with the images in my previous comment, please try here:
http://www.monio.info/2009/09/24/swastikas-return-powrot-swastyki/
Cheers!!!
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… That is what I would say…
Cheers!!!
Michael Monikowski
Perth, Australia
Knowledge is power, more people need to be aware of the historic representation of the swastika.
I gladly join the Reclaiming cause [ :
i love the sign of the swastika and all that it REALLY represents. the true meaning peace, harmony, good luck and well being. ( not hitler’s BS). i think he has no power and never really had any power over a simbol that existed WAY before he was even born. hitler was nothing but a mess. as a matter of fact am thinking about getting a tattoo of the swastika. AND I REALLY DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR SAY. I KNOW I AM ALOT MORE EDUCATED. LETS REDEEM AND RECLAIM BACK THE SIGN OF GOOD.
The Swastika is a beautiful emblem that must not be allowed to be hijacked by the terrible crimes of WWII commited by Hitler and his Henchmen!!! It truly is a symbol of Truth, Good luck and Hope for the future. Sadly though people seem to know much more about the sickening Nazis than they do about the wonderful and meaningful history of the Swastika that spans over 5000 years of the History of this planet. I wear a Swastika lapel Pin on the collar of my jacket. I wear it because I feel good about it. Peace to you all my friends
whoops I forgot to sighn my name,I posted comment#757
on this website is says that the swastica facing the direction that is commonly associated with the nazi party of germany durring war war 2 (or the clockwise swastica as I think of it)is a positive symbol that brings victory where as the counter-clockwise “swastica” is a negative symbol that brings “total annihilation”…
surely this is a symbolism associated with certain cultures,
I was under the impression that the the clocwise swastica was a symbol for “strength and knowledge” which are relativly neutral aspects and make sense with the nazi war machine of world war 2,where as the counter-clockwise “swatica” symbolizes “love and compassion” 2 aspects most would not associate with the nazis, and is actually called “dharma” and not “swastica”
refugees are only a scam of illuminati.
illuminati creates their satanic new world order with the help of chaos created by immigartion.
islam, drugs, violence, ‘terror’ , etc.
patriots are labeled racists, etc.
it’s bullshit
pakolaisuus on huijausta
se on vain illuminaatti petos
jolla luodaan uusi maailmanjärjestys
kaaos, jolla saadaan uusi maailmanjöärjestys.
http://www.wethepeople.la/ciadrugs.htm
Suomalaisten joukkotuhonta meneillään,
holocaust of finns is happening now?
suorittajana Vanhasen nazi-Bilderberg-EU-hallitus?
our nazi-EU-government of Vanhanen is doing it?
Omia kansalaisia syrjitään, tuhotaan?
Finns are oppressed in their own country?
Kristillisiä vihaavilla ja epädemokraattisilla voimilla täytetään Suomeamme?
Anti-christian immigration fills Finkland.?
http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/node/8160170
Kaaos on tämä saatanan natsi vallan eräs kikka , jolla vaientaa massat. Satanic nazi-power uses chaos as a method of control, and silence the masses?
Ettekö näe? -
meille ei anneta työtä.We are not given jobs.
rahamme heivataan pitkin maailmaa… Our money is given to other races…
työpaikat lopetetaan…Finland has no jobs anymore for finns…
karhut ja sudet jouksee pitkin maaseutua terrorisoimassa, muusta puhumattakaan, suomalaisia kyykytettän sossuissa ja byrokratialla, There is now beasts living in finnish forests, which we had not before…and finns are oppressed by idiotic byrocracy…communism…
työttömille psyykepillereitä jotka tuhoaa ihmisen…Finns ar e given psychiatric pills, instead of jobs or financial support…
natsien joukkotuhonta on käynnissä, ja suomen kansaa tuhotaan?…
Holocaust is happening in Finland now…
EU-holocaust?
Vapaamuurari-fasismi tappaa?
freemason fascism kills?
Vapaamuurarit maailmanlaajuisesti toimii salassa ja korruptoi maailmaa? freemasons operate
internationally and corrupt the world?
Tähän asti enemmänkin talousrikollisuutta korruption muodossa, mutta yhä enemmän siirtymässä ottamaan KAIKEN VALLAN maailmassa? They ar e moving from financial crimes aND CORRUPTION TO more violence, etc.?
Yhteistyössä satanistien ja natsien kanssa? Co-operating with satanists and nazis?
facts-Tuossa
tietoa:
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
Suomalaiset ajetaan alas, ja uusi eliitti on jo täällä valmiina? immigrants are new elite of finland in EU?
Vapaamuurarien epäkristillinen eliitti? Elite of freemasonic anti-christian people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU
Hi there!
Too bad the debate is only focusing on racism/zionism and one of the darkest days of european story.
As several people said before we’d better focus on the present and by extend our future. We shouldn’t give too much a damn about what happened before as it happened. It’s done.
There are currently awful things going on everywhere around the globe and we simply don’t give a shit about these. Oh yeah, I understand that we’d better be chasing a bunch of dickheads who are trying to form a new reich in their parents garage under a nazi flag they bought on ebay.
Wake up! This symbol as been misused and we’d better share its original and positive value than make it a symbol of hate.
You want to teach your children how horrible was WWII or do you want to raise them with good values and respect ?
One won’t lead them to commit massacre, guess which.
ok fair enough 751 but i will not have you misrepresent my intentions by saying i am hideing behiend this project as some kind of protection.
it is untrue and really not fair.
i’ll remove myself from this whole subjet.
but i did not start this.
thank you for your time.
best wishes and peace be onto you all.
i agree with comment 420 except this is part of it.
you are happy with the status quo.we don’t accept it.
it means what it means.
the history channel does not own it.
this isn’t a home for a few random oppinions.this is an ongoing dialog.
thats life.
thank you.you are super well spoken.but this is positive more so than the likes of the pro and con obama health care weirdos or anyother myopic point of view.
peace be onto you and everyone and thank you for letting me have my say on this project.
peace to you and yours. i understand the desire to post such a link to this site as a sort of disclaimer in such an unenlightened age. some of you are probably having to defend yourself on this point far more often than you care to. but i must tell you, the national socialists were not estranged from the essence of that holy, solar symbol. if anyone in the history of mankind has earned the right to use that symbol, i believe it is those who live, fight, and die in its service. history is merely the victor’s story, as you know. there is another side where much has been overlooked. the vanquished have no voice. the fact is, hitler was no more a “racial supremacist” than tenzin gyatso– however inconvenient. sixty-odd years has obscured the truth, but not suffocated it. during the 1920s, the dalai lama was thutpen gyatso, as you may know. he was a scholar of impressive intellect who sought to achieve a balance between western technology and eastern spirituality. he had heard about hitler when the n.s. movement was still struggling for authority in the chaos of those times. among the many european books the dalai lama had translated was hitler’s “mein kampf”… he filled his copy with enthusiastic annotations and underlining of his favourite passages on virtually every page. of hitler he said, “the inji (honourable foreigner) is assisted by god for some high purpose in this life.” he also believed there to be a synchronicity for the swastika being the symbol of both n.s. and the ancient bon-buddhism of his warrior monks. also noted were certain similarities between n.s. and buddhist doctrines, especially that service to one’s folk is the highest purpose or dharma in life. therefore when hitler became chancellor in 1933 warm congratulations were received from far off tibet. now, ask yourself why we’d never read that in a system school book in the united states or much of europe? if the national socialists are nothing more than “intolerant white supremacists” who wanted to conquer the world and kill all non-blonde haired and blue-eyed individuals (absurd, really), then why were their primary allies japanese and italian (non european in the first case, and surely non-nordic in the second)? most people are unaware that both muslims, hindus, a minority of jews, and buddhists enlisted as volunteers in the ss, or that hundreds of tibetan monks in ss uniform were found by the soviets in the fall of berlin in full ss uniform, having fought to the last man (the tibetans were part of the ss cossack regiment). these facts don’t mesh well with the system version of history.
last thoughts in the form of three quotes: one from a hindu. one from a buddhist. one from a national socialist. “i’m for a multi-racial world in which each race keeps to itself, in harmony with the other races. like in a garden, you have flowerbeds of roses and flowerbeds of carnations and irises and different other flowers. they don’t ‘intermarry’. they preserve their distinction, and each one has its own unique beauty.” – savitri devi. speaking at the 1993 chicago conference on world religions, tenzin gyatso (the dalai lama) said that the boundaries separating different peoples across the world were not bad if they preserved and defined genetic and cultural identities. he stated these differences need to be maintained in order that the individual have his own sense of identity. tenzin is totally opposed to one worldism, saying of the internationalists, “they fail to see that the so-called ‘cultural diversity’ they claim to admire would vanish in a one world system. no– true ‘cultural diversity’ values the different material and spiritual achievements of a people uniquely different from all others on the planet. therefore it cannot exist without the barriers which separate and identify culture from culture.” and lastly, “i assure you i am quite free from all racial hatred. it is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. except for a few gratuitous successes, which i am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. pride in one’s own race — and that does not imply contempt for other races — is also a normal and healthy sentiment. i have never regarded the chinese or japanese as being in any way inferior to ourselves. they belong to ancient civilizations, and i admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. they have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. indeed, i believe the more steadfast the chinese and the japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier i shall find it to get along with them.” -adolf hitler. the secret history of the second world war is that it was about blood and spirit against gold and corrupt materialism. if you want to understand why a bloody world war was waged, read up on the economic reforms which took place under hitler and consider who exactly was inconvenienced by such a reform: the international bankster gangsters. read up on benjamin freedman (a jew himself, who had spoken out against zionism and the federal reserve and the treaty of versailles). germany was decimated and occupied for the very same reason that a man like lincoln was assassinated. every reformer is offed. and for the record, j.f.k. opposed zionist nuclear facilities at dimona, and look what happened to him. notice how l.b.j. then reversed all of kennedy’s policies toward the zionist occupation regime in palestine and tripled their funding and weaponry like a good little lapdog. man, real germans have gotten a bad rap. and people who tap into what they were onto are really judged harshly and unfairly. behind every historical “devil” lies some truth, some redeeming, liberating principle which the establishment has sought to suppress. it’s been going on for thousands of years. people can’t seem to think about any of this above emotional attachment…
we can do nothing about the past…but let’s make the future brighter.let’s all stand together as one and smash the numbskulls.let’s respect culture.
godbless and peace.
a.a.n.f.
I meet here nice people like the Indian person with his eastern good philosophy,like the swedish person and others who want to contribute for a better world.I like especially the budhist replier who like all budhists are is tollerant .I am now a non-believer but I am glad that many persons find comfort in a religion,because they need to be supported in this way.For the rest I refer to my posts here :nr 741 and very much to post nr 745.Some reactions??
The other things to consider are :-
1. We always remember brutality more and for longer and forget the kindness of the people around us very quickly.
2. Symbols have no meanings but our mind has the ability to make meanings from them.
3. We can form symbols by ourselves but it’s meaning will be different for each of us as it depends upon how we look at a symbol.
Pictures can be taken as first representation of our thoughts but yet the meaning of pictures are different for different people.
I mean to say that our nature is the biggest hurdle since most of people want to believe in Nazi symbol rather than the true meaning of symbol of “Swastika”.
Well… Congratulations for the site as it represents many beliefs about a single symbol :-
1. Firstly i would like to say that every person should be able to neglect which he hates. I am a hindu but i am actually an atheist and hence i don’t care about religious beliefs but can do you know any other symbol with so much meanings as “Swastika”.
2. Secondly I am very attached to symbol not only because it has holy importance in our community but also because i like it, i never remember Hitler with it.
3. Sorry to say but it’s wrong to say that only western countries have lost during world war II, we send our men with britishers as at that time our territory was under the rule of britishers. To know more visit :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_in_World_War_II
Remember that we lost too but we have forgiveness.
4. I am sorry to say but the people blaming a symbol that it reminds them of Adolf Hitler is utter foolishness as mind can only remind something which we want to remind through it. Why not ban ‘Adolf hitler’s’ History rather than banning a symbol which is related to so many people in so many ways.
5. How can you ban human nature just because one of us was a liar, cheater which was Adolf Hitler.
Please try to redeem yourself from the after-effcts of Adolf Hitler. I hope that the people will understand and will forget about Hitler and will accept the “Swastika” in its true nature i.e. love, purity, happiness, hope, luck and may we get the strength to look beyond our weaknesses.
Dewulf!
I dont think you should compare Ghandi and M.L. KIng. Watch the widio about the religion first before you see part three.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7362450282309249591&hl=no
King was not realy what you seem.think he was!
To Mr.Bernt from Sweden:
Thank you for your extraordinary reaction.I agree totaly with the content.I am NOT a supporter of any doctrine.I am looking and searching after explination “about Hitler and others in History”and try to make conclusions.The video you recommended is not only explaining the love of power but gives the world the knowledge that this world is governed by international bankers who are supported by corrupt presidents for who war is money-big money!Power indeed corrupts!In this video the makers explain very good what I was concluding for myself:international bankers are far to be considered human.The video shows very clear that all wars were provoced by international banker US president supporters. Like Roosevelt who provoced the Japanese so badly that they attacked Pearl Harbour.When I think on all those patrottic innocents and victims of the war who gave their lives for serving the international bankers I become furious.When I read in the video that the Tonkin incedent that was at the origin of the Vietnam war never happened and was only a pretext to start the war in Vietnam only again in the interest of international bankers…And now we all know that president Bush started the Iraq war after 9/11 with again the false pretext that Iraq was guilty….AND SO ON…Hitlers IG Farben was supported by US bankers too…If now we should discover that those corrupt bankers were Jewish then we should come to the atrocious conclusion that this corrupt people killed their own people in their money interest…In this forum the SWASTIKA finaly brings us to the truth and the sign gives all human people hope and hapiness…I was happy to view the peace loving persons like Ghandy,M.L.King and John Lennon.THIS VIDEO HAS TO BE VIEWED BY ALL MANKIND!
On another day I will react on the other video recommended by Mr.Bernt from Sweden
As a Buddhist myself, I too agree with all others Indo-Europeans which included Chinese, Hinduism, Jainism and all other cultures and religions to reclaim the very ancient sacred symbol of peace and prosperity that transcend our cultures to it’s rightful place in our culture’s history. And educate the contemporaries about the truth of the swastika from the slumber caused by Nazi’s nightmare.
If Medieval Europeans had the renaissance of their religion and culture that changed and shaped their societies to what they are now, then why not us, the cultures and societies that the symbol itself is as sacred as the heaven.
Look at this movie and you will in the end understand the origan of the Swastika
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7362450282309249591&hl=no
Dewulf!
The fal of comunism is well and good, but do you realy think tha New World order is going to be better?
Swastika has been used by so many nations that is hard to say where the origin is, but it all relates to the worshipping of the sun. Christianaty is also related to the same as one of the myths.
Please look at this movie and you will see what I mean.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4104851170462978605
In my article 740 I forgot to mention Mr Gorbatsjov,the last USSR leader who did what had to be done:abolish communism.For me he is one of those real HEROES.Now the East European countries have a much better future thanks to Gorbatsjov. (Poland,Hungary,Roumenia,Bulgaria,Estland,Letland,Litauen,Oekrania,Moldavia,..Even Russia I think can become a member of Europe(why not,this people suffered enough through their so sad history…
I am a convinced European and I hope Europe brings hapiness for all people in this world.
(I have a dream too Mr Martin Luther King)
I agree with the Montevideo-post.The cross ,symbol of Christianism has oh so many times misused by Popes of the Roman Catholic Church.Through the history even more Jews were killed by other hands then by the nazis.History learns us how ALL kind of religious were involved in murdering and persecuting people.History is written with blood.I am not a Jew hater nor a muslim hater aso., but when I witness what happened and still happens to the Poor persecuted Palestinian People then I have to admit that my humanism character oblige me to condemn the Israeli policy in that matter.The US should now with Obama perhaps interupt this policy,but do they not have to consider the zionist influence AND the financial POWER ??Money is so important that the policy becomes dependant from this money…BUT we can be happy that still there are GOOD thinking people in this world too(Martin Luther King,Ghandi,Mandela,The Dalai Lama who cannot govern his country,John Kennedy,Robert Kennedy,Jimmy Carter,John Lennon,Joan Baez,Bob Geldhof,and many others.
“give peace a chance!”
I dont like censorship
I also dislike the “politically correct” way of speaking ,when it is deemed mandatory
So, I also dont like the ban of the svastika or any other symbol
And I remember that in the name of christianism, catholicism and communism many persons were killed, but nobody wants to ban the cross or the hammer and sickle
greetings from Montevideo,Uruguay
Oh, I guess you would need this: hooverlc@mymail.vcu.edu
Anybody else who emails me will be ignored.
Hi Marshall, it’s Lori.
I’ve been wanting to talk to you for a long time. Could you please email me? I realize this is not the appropriate place to talk, and I’m sorry if I’m bothering you.
gr8 informational article seeing how its been passed on from generations and we just preconceive that it became more popular after Hitler started using it……swastika has re branded itself as the common logo for all religious symbols.
You’re another internet shyster, Holbrish, but at least you’re a naked anti-Semite and admirer of the man.
“The word Swastika derives from the Aryans of ancient India. In their Sanskrit language su meant “well” and asti “being,” to which the substantive suffix -ka was added. It is thus a sign of well-being and prosperity, of integrity and fertility. Its four arms—the four Ls—represent Light, Life, Love and Luck.”
Blah, blah, blah and blah. All gay Hindoo interpretation, doodly do, doodly do. The suffix -ka by the way is a diminutive, not merely a “substantive”, though it does substantiate the phrase swasdee.
Great article, again. These informations are especially useful …
this is exactly the post I needed to see!
This is a great article. I’m new to blogging but still learning. Thanks for the great resource.
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
As I wrote on june 26th(704)I repeat that the swastika was used by Hitler and not invented by him(many people think so) It is good that this website exists to bring in the reality.Can I hereby remember or reveil for many people that the antesemitic book”Der Ewige Jude”was NOT written by the Nazis but a translation of the book “The International Jew” written by the great antisemit HENRY FORD,better known as the boss from Ford.He supported Hitler as so many in this period and was rewarded with the”Grosskreuz des Deutschen Adlerordens”in july 1938 by Hitler for his 75th birthday.In the office of Hitler there was even a picture of Henry Ford.HISTORY learns us that the Jewish people were persecuted and murdered not only by the German NAZI party,but eg.by the Tsar of Russia,The catholics especially in Poland,and so on ,and they did not have the swastika as their symbol.
can u wear the swastika if its hidden unless u show it to someone ? and not get called skinhead and or neo-nazi ?
There was no holocaust – its not about ‘emotional trauma’ its about their commitment to bringing down the one system which has ever effectively cast off the shackles of zionist judaism.
The first amendment of the constitution?
Can the A.C.L.U act let u wear the swastika freely in schools if so what act is there that can let u wear it ?
I think it may just take time. Survivors of the holocaust are still living…
Hey, great stuff there. I will soon be doing a documentary on the topic. In the mean-time keep up the good work.
We do doodly do
Doodly do doodly do
What we must muddly must
Muddly must muddly must
Muddly do muddly do
Muddly do muddly do
Until we bust bodily bust
Bodily bust bodily bust
This is a great web site, thanks.
Instead of trying to ban the symbol (which I believe Germany have been successful in doing) and making the use of it illegal troubles me on a zeitgeist level.
The people putting their ignorant (or deliberately misleading) energies into banning this symbol should actually use this energy to educate people of it’s true meaning.
Peace
This is great! It really shows me where to expand my blog. I think that sometime in the future I might try to write a book to go along with my blog, but we will see…Good post with useful tips and ideas
This is great! Now I want to see your ways for us readers to become more involved! Expect an email later today.
This is my first time comment at your blog.
Good recommended website.
Well, to soon to say if it’s good, but at least it’s well designed.
I mean I thought I would be blocked after adding some interests, but the site helps you to add more.
Cheers
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
A wonderful article…. In my life, I have never seen a man be so selfless in helping others around him to get along and get working. I feel good that there are people like you too. Thanks for this great weblog of yours. Its surely going to get me to go to higher places!
Looks like your question thing at the end of the post worked. Also not having to sign in is nice too. Good job. Nice list. Thanks.
This is a great article. I’m new to blogging but still learning. Thanks for the great resource.
what i have not seen yet is the acknowledgement that the swatiska derived from ancient Egypt, which was called the Land of Black. isn’t it ironic that Hitler used an symbol that is Black in origin, and India preserved it along with many other religious artifacts.
always remember to go deeper in your research and it may lead to Atlantis or Sumeria or to the Heavens, but the intention of the swastika was never to imply skin heads or evil…
good side. good work….
“But unlike the Hammer and Sickle which was used by the Communists to institute forced-Socialism and the death of millions beneath its’ mantle…”
How about the forced Multiculturalism, i.e. white disenfranchisement and murder, brought to bear on us by YOUR people?
“The symbol did not kill millions of people in WWII…the Nazis did.”
YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES! A JEW-APPROVED SWASTIKA!!
SWASTIKA (KOSHER PARVE)
LIFE ITSELF (KOSHER PARVE)
STOLEN! KIDNAPPED!
WANTED: NAZI GERMANY
FOR: KIDNAPPING THE SWASTIKA!
REWARD: GOLD STAR FROM JEWS, FAGGOTS & HINDOOS!
YOU WILL GO TO JEWISH HEAVEN WITH ANNE FRANK IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE PINK SWASTIKA
ONE WORLD
ONE LOVE
ONE SWASTIKA — THE LOVE SWASTIKA
MMM, SEXY LOVE SWASTIKA
Susmann!
Your just a subject of indoctrination, how many people did the so called allies kil in their integration camps after the war. How many innocent people where killed by carpet bombing in Germany. How many have CIA killed since the war by creating conflicts and wars under the name of democracy. Should we forbid the symbol of the US because some criminals in the US has adopted it.
Wake up and see the truth and you will see that the National Socialist can not be blamed for steeling the Swastika.
i agree with ideas all over this web site. And also, we can take the symbol from the hands of neo-nazi around the world. Let the people know!
I love the Swastika and can understand why it is hated so much by the liars and evil powers of this world. And let us not forget to mention the gulible ones. Because with out these silly dupes, the evil ones would not be in control today. The same gulible ones who were decieved into believing the lies about the last great movement on Earth of people who stood up and tried to save the world from the evil ones and their evil agenda. The same gulible ones who went and stomped their blood brothers into anihlation. The same gulible ones who now hate themselves so much for looking like their blood brothers. The same gulible ones who are on their way out and leaving a horrible place for their children to try and survive in. But very powerful and talented deceivers those evil ones! Especially easy for them though, seeings that their father is the master of lies, and the master of this world ! Nearly everything your taught or shown or led to beleive about who the good people were and what they did, and about what took place, is a filthy, down right lie. It’s no wonder the evil ones are in charge of everthing today. Even Disneyland! All the books your allowed to read, and the movies your allowed to watch, and the news your allowed to hear, and the history your allowed to believe in, and the cover-ups your gov’ts tells you, and, most of all, the money they allow you to need and love. As long as they can keep the great lie going, they should succeed in their mission. And as long as they keep us all thinking that our most holy and powerful and sacred symbol is evil, they will succeed, no doubt. The evil ones hate and fear it more that anything and they want every one else to feel the same way about it. It’s that simple. The Swastika is the symbol of GOD and the Universe. Same thing.
Believe the lies, be ashamed of the Swastika.
Seek and find the truth, and Love the SWASTIKA.
The FACTS are out there.
The TRUTH will set you free.
The Swastika is a very old symbol that represents ancient representation of fire, thunder, lightning, and prosperity. The Swastika is a symbol that was kidnaped and misused by the Nazi Party of Germany during WWII. But unlike the Hammer and Sickle which was used by the Communists to institute forced-Socialism and the death of millions beneath its’ mantle…the Swastika remains a symbol of hatred, when it should be reinstated as a symbol of prosperity. Only in politics of facism should it be removed. The symbol did not kill millions of people in WWII…the Nazis did.
Page Sausman
Boise,Idaho USA
How is it possible to make problems about a good symbol of peace and good luck!
We cannot change history.
If I had lived during the last war I certainly would have helped innocent people in danger.That does not mean we must bannish this symbol of good luck.I regret profoundly the bad luck of Jewish people who unfortunately suffered so much and they must understand the sign was not invented by Hitler.If this was the case then the sign can be forbidden.GOOD LUCK and like says the translation from the sanskriet:GOOD TO BE!For EVERYBODY who is not hurting other people!
I am at present suspended from work because i constructed a swastika out of magnetic counters on a notice board. i knew it had some ancient religious meaning,but it is only now from your website that i realise the world wide use of the symbol.when i did the one that i have beensuspended for i had no thought as to what it represented we all do different designs out of boredom with the magnetic counters none of which are a permanent fixture.
from your accounts i have discovered that it was a positive cross that i created, but it as resulted in my suspension so it cannot be that lucky.
Hilarious. Learn to spell then come back.
THE FOURTH REICH OF THE GERMAN NIGGERS OF ARGENTINA IS UPON US! ITZ COMING!!!!
You will know all in time.
Richard Reich said: “PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country”
WTF!!!! Sorry if i missunderstood, but you are saying that there is a National Socialist Parti in Argentina and is taking over the country??? Are you serious? Man, im from Argentina and you are way too wrong… sorry.
I took this site as it seems, a way to retrieve the swastika simbol from the nazis error, and im in favor, but is IMAO imposible because nazi ideology still remain…
I read the real meaning of the simbol as a child and since then im trying to explain to others that is a simbol of goodness, but people is just to afraid to be seen as nazis to acept it.
When I was a child (perhaps six years old) I saw a sketch about Nazis on the Freddie Star show. When I saw the swastika I immediately drew it, I thought it a very elegant symbol. It wasn’t until a few years later at school where I learned of the nazi useage. Now I’m 23, and aspire to Buddhism, and am once again very drawn to the swastika.
People misunderstand and call me a nazi all the time because I’ll set the swastika as my display picture on MSN and whatnot, but I’m sincerely trying to bring it back into positive light, educate people about where it came from and the beautiful things it stood for before the nazis adopted it (for the same beautiful reasons, I guess, they wanted the blessings it stands for) and for a few of my friends they respect it now. I’m not ready to start putting it on jewellery or t shirts or anything but I think I’m doing well in my personal quest to educate people about it. As such this site has my full support.
People don’t want to ban the cross because of the witch hunts of America and Europe in which thousands were killed, instead they focus on the positive things it stands for. I think it’s unfair that people are so unable to do the same for the swastika, but together I’m sure we can succeed
May your gods bless you.
Sorry but the reasons for which it is banned can be seen within the messages here.
It keeps the troublemakers in their places.
I am Chinese, when I came to America I stopped wearing my bracelets featuring them out of respect for America’s culture.
Show respect for other peoples’ cultures and other countries rights of sovereignty.
I think it’s really a great accomplishment of our society that organisations and websites like this one exist– it is a sign that we are beginning to move beyond the narrow-minded view of the swastika, propagated both by Nazi thugs and well-meaning, but foolish anti-fascists.
I hope that the message goes further, and that the swastika, as well as several other ancient symbols, are reclaimed from the Nazis and they’re destruction and murder may become like so many other bad dreams in European history.
To those responsible for this site: as the swastika says itself: Good life and good luck.
Ignoring facts doesnt make them untrue.
“Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees.”
I ignore desperate generalizations like that.
“For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, ”
You have to be kidding.
“This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country. ”
Ok, you are kidding.
“I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. ”
And a blockhead.
“It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. ”
So I guess the Byelorussian partisans just misunderstood those SS men shooting at them to shouts of “The Slavic race is the carrier of the Bolshevik bacillus!”
“It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.”
Whatever gets you through the day, man.
Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees. For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, catering to a nation of EUROPEAN, not specifically just German, settler decendents. This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country.
This is but one example. I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. There are three types of Aryans NS caters for : Alpinid Aryans, Nordic Aryans, Meditteranean Aryans, while providing support for Pan Aryans such as Iranian Northerners. It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. Anyone from USA to Russia, Norway to Italy, Argentina to Australia can revel in the joys of National Socialism, not just the Germans who fall into the same Aryan category as myself. Aggression from Communist Russia is what caused the Nazi-Soviet Pact to break down, while Roosevelt (Better known as ROSENFELT before (sound Jewish?) and the Allies all infiltrated by Zionist Jews were the ultimate agressors in the struggle.
It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.
To all, A good Day!
“I can clearly see you are not interested in learning about NS at all,”
NS: Germans first, everyone else second. Simple as that, bro.
You German? $20 says no.
ESQUIZOFRENIA… SORRY
Liebe SJ.
That means squizophenia… See your doctor, inmediatly!!! Modern medicine can control that dissease.
Yours H
1989. It was after a Swing/Grave double shift(like those I have often worked and the one that I worked the previous night) that I had my first Swastika experience. I went to bed and fell sleep very quickly. After having been asleep for 5 minutes or so…I was semi-reawakened into sort of a trance state. I felt myself being lifted up and out of my body while experiencing a feeling of comfort and warmth. I then experienced a field of visual Easter yellow. My position changed from horizontal to vertical. The field of etheric yellow was around my awareness at all sides. I then became aware of being approached by or approaching an object which was black. The object grew in its perceived relative size as I perceived myself nearing it in proximity. The object turned out to be a two foot in diameter clockwise spinning Swastika. The legs were black and smooth while giving me the impression of being alive…almost insectoid. This whole experience only lasted a few moments. I woke back up and made a mental note(also I think I told my wife, who has since left me). Sometime later I noticed a curious addition to my daily field of vision. Anytime that I focus on what appears to a blurry dime sized flittering depression in the center of my field of vision, I see a small dime sized Swastika spinning clockwise within a translucent background. Like an ultra fine Swiss movement on a watch…only it is LCD in appearance. This does not impair my normal sight anymore than a dried raindrop upon a car windshield blocks the view of the driver. Except for times when I am just relaxing and spacing out and it involuntarily pops into focus, I have to look for and focus on it to see it. I can also see it with my eyes closed, only then it is smaller with a whitish background. The out of body thing has only happened once though. Why have men lied to us about the Swastika? If they don’t know, then why and what are they talking about as authorities for modern man?
Thank you for the very noble site. Would you like to see the swastika for yourself in its supersensible form? Try this sometime: when you are lying in your bed at night and have your eyes closed, look at the black visual screen created by your closed eyelids. After a few moments, you will notice a small pea sized circle of white luminescence in the center of the darkness; like a faint light at the end of a tunnel. If you are patient and allow yourself to view the circle of white light behind your closed eyelids, a small pea sized clockwise spinning swastika will appear in its center. Its just that simple.
Or you may try this: while lying on your back in bed in the morning after it becomes light, just relax and look at the ceiling above you in the center of your field of vision. You may soon notice a small translucent coin sized circular variation in the center of your visual perception, not unlike the appearance of a small circular coin sized heat wave. If you are patient, you will be able to bring a small coin sized clockwise spinning swastika into focus. This may actually be done anywhere at any time in the light, whether standing, sitting or lying down and against any backdrop…including the sky.
I sincerely hope that these tips may be helpful to more and more people as time goes by, for they are based upon my absolutely consistent experience for a period of twenty years. May the days of anxiety and stigma surrounding the misunderstanding of the swastika be once again and forever behind us as human beings.
I once put a Buddhist Swashstika picture on my site and its amazing how many people know nothing about its origins, i just got the stupid Americans with their anti Nazi, anti Communist remarks, stupid idiots!, i had a picture of Mao and they said your a Communist, i said, “If i had a picture of Donald duck, would i be a cartoon character? .
I agree with saving this symbol, i have tried to teach my children that this is not something evil but an expression of love and understanding.
Recently someone here in Helsinki, Finland was in the newspaper because they hung a Nazi flag on their wall in their flat that could be seen from outside.
For me i think that this is their right, and even though i am totally opposed to Nazism, it is important to uphold their freedom, as well as it is to uphold Buddhist and other religions that value it for religious reasons.
I remember the Seihks in UK had trouble because they wear swords at religious festivals, they tried to ban it, these symbols are important for cultures, such as in Scotland the Skien dubh worn with the Kilt.
“We can learn what we did not know. We are not only good at destroying the old world, we are also good at building the new. Complacency is the enemy of study. We cannot really learn anything until we rid ourselves of complacency. Our attitude towards ourselves should be “to be insatiable in learning” and towards others ” to be tireless in teaching.” Mao tse tung, from The little red book
Lots of wisdom in the world.
That would probably be because you have no convictions or morals.
‘Tolerance is the refuge of a man without conviction’ – Adolf Hitler.
I can clearly see you are not interested in learning about NS at all, and probably did not follow the link to the Jew’s webpage on the realities of Zionism. It is your choice, you much like a lot of America are clouded and have lost your moral compass, replacing it with the drivel that pro Isreali white politicians and Zionists have given you. Good luck to you sir.
88.
“To us the eight points stand for family, people, nation, fuhrer, respect, race, morality and future,”
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.
Would almost rather the rainbow swastika of the homos catch on than that moralistic drivel be attached to it.
I have to say, I am very unhappy with the word ‘Misuse’ of the Swastika. I am a National Socialist and I find it Ironic that an old organizational website URL used by the British Nazi Movement leads to this website by clicking links with Nazi associations! Now we National Socialists did not misuse the swastika. To us the eight points stand for family, people, nation, fuhrer, respect, race, morality and future, although these are often interchangable with other Nazi ideas of race and national prosperity. The claim that we murdered 6000000 Jews is ridiculous, and I would like to point everyone to http://www.realzionistnews.com for the truth about Nazism – by a Jew.
I just wanted to point that out. Thank you to all.
Heil Hitler.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offended by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. “Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts”. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offend by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise,. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts,. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
From Rudolf Steiner:
During my visit to England where one had a wide view over the area, one could find such signs there, swastikas, a symbol used to create much mischief in Germany today. This swastika is now being worn by people who have no idea that it was once a sign used to indicate to people who came from a long way off that the people in that place saw not only with their physical eyes but also with the eye of the spirit.
While people have said a lot; I guess if you can’t actually see it for yourself, you just don’t really know.
Everyone has something to say about the swastika….but I haven’t found one other person who can actually see it.
There is a great deal of misunderstanding regarding symbols in general and the swastika is perhaps one of the greatest examples. There is a misconception, however, regarding the meaning of the swastika as it pertains to the direction in which it is pointing.
Native Americans, for example, used the swastika interchangeably in both directions…. sometimes within the same design. See the following link for a photo gallery…
http://www.freewebs.com/manwomans/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=4029063
This is true of Asian and other cultures as well… see the following gallery slideshow for examples…
http://heathenworld.com/swastika/Default.aspx
Please correct the information on your website.
Thank you!
Steiner means Rocker
Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) about the fylfot, the Swastika:
Christianity took that little what it needed, into its traditions, its cult, and then it vanquished the origins of those cults. In the original cults, there were a lot of elements, with enormous meaning inside; but everything was turned around and everything was interpreted differently.
And may I just add this personal note: The swastika does not belong to any one group such as the so called Nazis; but actually spins clockwise in the center of each of our individual perceptual fields of vision, just below our own personal conscious level of awareness. Seeing it consciously, in its non subliminal form, is a matter of sensitivity. The evil that men do…
Now i get why marshal had got so irratated with those who aren’t nazi and still use swastika.Cos many times it has been posted ere that the use of this symbol by nazi was illegal.
Certainly if this symbol had been adopted by an organisation headed by hitler,there must be lying some cause underneath.And as you ( mr.T ) have explained it,its good to know what did it mean for the nazi.
Even the development in the fields of science,technology,etc in germany during that era cant be denied.
But even a small leakage in the base of a beautiful bottle can make it futile.Sameways the racist activity,extermination camps,holocaust,etc effaced everything else. and made the world to hate anything associated with the defeating side.
While it might not be truth for everything but swastika emerged out to be as that hate symbol which had to bear the brunt.
There is also problems with that section of ppl.who use this symbol.But they are prejudiced by others as if they are perpetuating racism.
Marshal your comments regarding hindus,as i feel ,was out of context here./anyone can be ignorant.You me anybody.But we cant generalise any case.Instead we should take a person as a person.And judge him/her over his/her qualities and defects.
nazi,hindu,china,israel,america,japan,ireland,africa,
and many countries used this symble
infact hitlers swastika was not in anyway evil
and not only that it was never proven but no way as a few hundred million dead beat jews died
A. the population in germany for jewish community was not as much as they claim who died there
B. nazi party accepted jews in the army
four angles of the swastika
1.love
2.honor
3.respect
4.pride
the middle of the swastika represents nationalism for anglo/european/german society to come to gether with out war or hatred .
but jews also had a swastika
i hate dumb a** people
and those who go online talking crap is what i hate the most!!!
88
p.s. 88 means byebye and or goodluck in china
88 means H.H 8th letter in the alphabet
88= somes one birthday as in 1988
approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)
“I’ll tell you something. The average Indian knows very little about his religion, or India, or anything else. Some are ignorant of the most simple things, such as Hindu concepts or history. I agree with Naipaul one hundred percent. They don’t like to appear ignorant before a Westerner, but most Indians don’t know any more about their temples and writing and what-not than the tourists — many know a lot less.”
— nameless Indian professor in The Great Railway Bazaar
And marshal whom did you try to called mleccha?If you don’t know me,you certainly have no right.Malechha is the true word used for low ppl in sanskrit.And i’m arya.But i wasn’t liking to disclose it.But you prompted me.
One more thing.That i have concluded on talking to you is that.You have a perception of self superiority thats vague itself.In psychological terms its called superiority complex.
Otherwise you won’t be so rude in your posts.Why do you think others here are mindless blokes ?And the only intelligence gifted one is you?Haha.Its funny itself.
And why are you taking anything so personal that you have begun insulting others?That shows your impatient impulsive behaviour.
You talked bout genetics.Then you might be knowing humans originated first in africa.So all humans are related.And race kind of taxonomic unit can’t be applied to vast populations of humans.(although it can be applicable to animals).
And if you’re so right then why did you get so irritated when i had asked you not to insult the communities?It shows your arrogance.
You thought i’m threatened by you.You’re not a ghost.Lol.So why will i be afraid.Infact i liked the idea to read books.But you should also widen your thinking to deal with the opinions of others.Ok.
its really feel nice 2 read n look at different ancient holy symbols n their meaning.it feels like yes history is still alive.n nothing is hidden .as they say truth cannot b hide.
i will b very please to know that is there was any viking
who had tattooed an holy swastika symbol on his body.
i know it sounds crazy but if there was i would really like 2 know.
please reply.
thanks.
Hahaha.Acerbic and acidic both can be used interchangeably.And i am amazed by the way you dare to call me and others idiots.
And as per the genetics and linguistics are concerned these topics are much debated.And nothing can be concluded firmly.And as per i have seen on different sites,there are excerpts from some researches that counterquestion the amt.
As per your thinking that you’re the one with the right knowledge ,its seems funny itself.And for your kind information,no where in the vedas there is the mention of home land and invasion of foreign land.
And if i had asked you to talk not bad for others was in a polite sense.
But if you haven’t got that sense then its your fault.Ok.
Also you aren’t entitled to tell me what i’m required to do or not.Similarly you can’t tell me whats my ability to extrapolate any matter.Or i’m not here to get your certificate of intellectuality. Your racist way of thinking unravels your attitude.
And one more thing.If you ask who own the right of swastika,then my answer would be .Anyone who like it, praise it, honour it, revere it has the right to own it.Its the symbol used in the eternal religion of this world the sanatan dharma.And if marshal you want to keep your hakenkruz with yourself then thats good.But don’t engage swastika in this petty and frivolous fight.
U GUYS R STUPID!!! the swastika is nothin but trouble so i say burn the swastika!!!! STUPID POOP HEADS!!
Now it seems marshal you’re getting too acidic.
That’s “acerbic”. I am not a citrus fruit.
If i’m not scholar then you’re also not.
Logic fit for a child.
Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?
Yes, the Rig Veda is full of topographical imagery whose source can only be to the north; this has been borne out by archaeological and, more importantly, genetic research (introduction of genetic sequences associates with steppe / LGM Refuge Europids). But you’re not asking for proof, really, nor would you accept any.
Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
I, myself, do not. But there are these strange men called “scientists”, who arrange themselves in evern stranger little subsets — of “linguists”, “archaeologists”, and the most arcane group of all: the “geneticists” — who are empowered to peep into and interpret the past. Sounds incredible, I realize.
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Nor did I say any new ideas originated with you: you’d have to have a greater measure of intellect for that. What you do is parrot the superficial lies & rumors of thousands of others like you, because that’s what the nationalist pandits have given you to believe. Time to come out of the Cave, “Lisa”.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.
There are many, but there are many more people being prompted to shut their eyes to race and chirp “there is no race here!” in unison. You’re one of them. Congratulations.
Yeah there could be variation.
All of human “diversity”, i.e. genetic variation, smugly thrust aside with a “yeah” and a “could be”. Love it.
So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.
I understand that you feel threatened by confronting someone who actually knows what he’s talking about. All I can say is, you read some books too. Anyone can do it. It isn’t hard, and you learn cool things which you can then bring to bear on idiots like you used to be.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel entitled to dictate to me what I should and shouldn’t do, “Lisa”.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
Damn right, mleccha.
i hope people will find a new hate symbol so they can stop using the swastica. i think that most people dont actually know what the symbol originally stands for. but then again, i dont think most people care.
Now it seems marshal you’re getting too acidic. If i’m not scholar then you’re also not.(cos you’re aimed to prove yourself only.A person who is self centered.)
Next you think that reading books is far more important.Thanks for that suggestion.But may i ask you one thing?Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.Yeah there could be variation. But we all are humans.So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.Cos there could be research related books telling the vice versa.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.Be they jews or hindu or anyone else.Otherwise it will show your narrow mindedness.
You asked bout the meaning of swastika as a lucky charm.Now get the meaning yourself.As it is derived from sanskrit it means one that lets the good happen.And we can’t judge one’s faith on scientific parameter. Ok
Now lets move on to the question of its association with nazi.Whatever might be the cause ,we all know that due their deeds this symbol has been doomed.
And what we are focussed towards is to clear that misconception.
But i’m really clueless what to infer from your posts.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
Given these ideas, who do you think are the chief demonizers of the Swastika?
Stop pussyfooting. Say Jews.
But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.
Because they aren’t new thoughts, but platitudinous rumors circulating on the internet among disgruntled Indians, wiccans, homosexuals, and idiots. You’re not a scholar. You’re not a philosopher. You’re not original or brilliant. You’re not entitled to speak about meaning-reassignment apart from your internet connection and ability to type in pidgin English. Yet, this is exactly what you feel. Saying you have “new thoughts” feels good, makes you feel original, “progressive”; obviously, then, it’s much more a nebulous self-congratulatory rhetoric than anything substantial about the swastika itself.
And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
By pandits with a socio-political agenda, yes. Aryans migrated all over the place; you should acquaint yourself with some real scholarship in this field — to take one of many, Anthony’s “The Horse, The Wheel and Language”. It’s time to get your head out of internetland and into the books. Real ideas, real history await.
s i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.
Sure, India has seen many inhabitants: negritos, Mongoloids, Dravidians (Elamite or Mediterranid), various tribes and waves of Aryans, Huns, and so on. What you mean to say is: you learned from your college textbook, or some pandit / Hindutva website, that the Aryans “came from India”, not the reverse. I tell you, this is a lie. If you choose to do some real research and abandon your probably ethnic interest in believing the lie, wonderful.
Swastika is the symbol of good luck.
Not really, but it sounds pretty, and people these days care more about sounding pretty and nice than being correct.
Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Because it “symbolizes” more than what it does to Hindoos, and I question if it symbolizes anything at all to Hindoos themselves, or is rather just something to adorn flags and toilet paper roll wrapping with. It’s pointless to talk about “meaning” at that point, but obviously it “symbolized” more than “good luck” to the German irredentist movement, and the Nazi Party which took it over. If the swastika isn’t “originally” Indian, we must look for it elsewhere and ask ourselves what it “meant” to them; we find the earliest examples closest to the Celtic heartland, i.e. Bohemia, which is precisely where the Nazi Party had its origin. So who has a “right” to the swastika?
.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
Try walking down the street in Germany with a Doppeladler on your jacket sleeve. See how far you get without trouble of some kind.
I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
Neither do you, nor any other history.
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Hmmm.Marshal.I had read your post.But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.Moreover you had said that the concept of blue eyes and blonde hair as propagated by hitler wasn’t totally wrong.Now i couldn’t undertand how it could be possible.As i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
Next thing.Swastika is the symbol of good luck.And we all (admirer of this symbol) want it in its that way.Its also a good geometric figure.Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Now you had also asked about rest symbols.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
One more thing you asked whether we are talkin bout symbol or weapons.
See that was a comparison.Can a symbol be more dangerous than a deadly weapon?Isn’t it ignorance to hate a symbol cos once it was attached with nazi?I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
Regardless of the cultural use of the Swastika, it is ridiculous and insulting that legislators would move to ban it when the old symbol of Soviet Russia does not even come under scrutiny. The Hammer and Sickle are worn on t-shirts, adorn posters, flyers, and album covers and was even the stage back drop for alt-country artist Steve Earle on one of his tours. Russia was the consummate enemy of the U.S. and Josef Stalin was responsible for his 25 million dead. Given these ideas, who do you think are the chief demonizers of the Swastika?
PLEASE SOLVE THE SECTION ABOUT “SYMBOLISM” IN MANY CULTURES IT WAS/IS ONLY POSITIVE,
And it was “only positive” when the Nazis used it. Your interpretation of that use is negative, though you’ve merely taken your cue from the victors of the War.
PLEASE SOLVE THE SECTION ABOUT “SYMBOLISM” IN MANY CULTURES IT WAS/IS ONLY POSITIVE, NEVER MIN ID IT IS COUNER OR CLOCKWISE!
“The swastika certainly is not an Aryan Symbol. It was in use in the far east and india from about 2000BC”
And who do you think is responsible for the Vedic, and later Buddhist society which spread the symbol over the Asia, genius? The people who self-identified as “Aryans”.
See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.
When you have entire websites with people anxiously and eagerly parroting the lie that the swastika is a “universal” symbol — meaning independently created by various peoples rather than spread by cultural borrowing — and not originally Aryan / Indo-European, which it is, and by whom it was spread to other cultures, then yes, it very much is a matter of putting to rights the question of origin.
The question is about the stigma attached to it.
The stigma is “attached” by Jews and Americans. Perhaps we should worry more about detaching Jewish taboos and stigma from our minds than making the swastika idiot-friendly?
Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?
Because, semantically, “reclamation” alters the ideational and historical content of the symbol: you don’t want it to be Aryan, which it is, and you don’t want it to be associated with the Nazis anymore, which it is and always will be, with good reason.
Hitler used it and defamed it .
Let me say this again, though it’s rather like repeating things to children who don’t want to listen. Hitler himself did not “use” it, just like Hitler himself did not “kill six-million Jews”. The Volksdeutsch movement of Austria and German-Bohemia began using it in the late 19thC., and why shouldn’t they — the Celts, precursors of the wandering Germans, originated in Bohemia and Austria. Who has more right to the symbol them — the people who created it and have been symbolizing their will with it for at least two millennia, or you? You see it is not reclamation at all, but in fact theft. It is you all who want to “steal” and “defame” (alter the meaning of) the swastika.
a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?
You can’t name any others.
Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
Because your “new thoughts” are politicized falsehoods. And some of us are smarter than that.
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?
Um. We’re talking about a symbol, not weapons.
The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Thank the Jews for it. What can I say. The Jews have created your opinion about the swastika.
And to some other fool —
“Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.”
You need to read more books. Start with John V. Day’s Indo-European Origins: The Anthropological Evidence.
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
Your more circumspect approach is appreciated. But there’s no need to “rehabilitate” the swastika in the West, and indeed it is impossible without first removing the manufacturers of the taboo itself — Jews.
Sorry all, this problem is much bigger than you realize.
I am not religious but I was born a Hindu. When I was in India Swastika was an integral part of most of the Indians daily life. Whenever swastika was mentioned or displayed people took it for its true meaning i.e. well being or good luck.
I am now residing in the US and it irritates when people relate the swastika to the Nazis. (I do not mean to single out US but it is the only other country I have ever been to).
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
I read in some of the posts that people would like actively do something rather than just talk about it.
I have created a Facebook group called ‘Bringing Swastika Back’ http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4947269&ref=profile#/group.php?gid=83839313754
In this group I have proposed an idea for bringing the original meaning of swastika back. Swastika nowadays is connected to the Nazis because it was the symbol used for evil. I propose that if we start using Swastika to spread goodness it might soften peoples views towards it.
If you are a member of Facebook ( I am not getting paid by facebook to promote it) and want to do something different join my group and see whats all about.
Ahh.So nasty.Candy.If you cant propose your thoughts then you shouldn’t post crap either.Your words reflected your thinking and level of intellectual.May god show you right way to behave.!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck over it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck ovoe it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
Thanks ivan
its you Who is empowering this quest for swastika.Keep that spirit up !!
Yeah i agree the anonymous.The notion that the aryan ppl had blue eyes and blonde hair is wrong.Infact they were the inhabitants of indian sub continental areas.And they had a distinct civilisation as well.
For the record, the use of the swastika in India was by the real Aryan race which occupies, and has occupied, the areas of India and Persia for a long time.
Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.
Hey Lisa. Welcome back.
As usual you are the strength of the day.
Hey all.Back after long time.
Hmmm.Regarding the post of marshal.See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.The question is about the stigma attached to it.Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?Explain my dear what you want to say.Hitler used it and defamed it .So we want to abolish it.Ok. a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?Naah cos it would be too crazy.Then why don’t we apply the same logic for swastika?Its like being stagnant with the time of 40′s .Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Ivan.Here you see .Nothing can come out of this discussion.In the beginning i were very optimistic but now i think.Something real and practical is required.
But i’m really happy to find ppl like you stephen adave and flea and many more who still like swastika amidst all prejudice.Thanks to you all.
I think the swatsika should be reclaimed because it does not jus symbolizes the nazis and the harsh times it symbolizes good and to be. it actually originated in india and hitler jus gave the nazi symbol a bad name now jus because he did that now everyone thinks that it jus represents the nazi
Exactly. Two swallows don,t make a summer
what if cross was used by nazi party?
Well put Stephen and I wish you power to ovwercome the foggy ones who think you you are mad for using the Swastika. I have one on my rifle butt and some say the same thing untill I point out the true meaning. Then they don’t like it because I have at the same time made them look ignorant, but if the cap fits, wear it.
The swastika certainly is not an Aryan Symbol. It was in use in the far east and india from about 2000BC
the swastika is a beautiful symbol because i have one on my wall my family and freinds think im crazy but i know the truth of the symbol as a peaceful icon not a hate.
So we are all liars are we. I don’t think so.
What do you think Lisa?
Like it or not, the swastika is an Aryan symbol.
It isn’t Cherokee, Papuan or Korean. It’s Celtic, Hittite, Italic, Vedic — all reflexes of the Indo-European culture which devised it. If other cultures received it, it was due to Aryan involvement in those cultures.
The Nazis used it because the irredentist folk-German movement from which they arose used it; the latter used it because the Celts, originally from a small valley in Austria not far from Hitler’s own birthplace, used it first as primitive Aryans.
You can’t efface history, but you can lie about it. “Reclaiming” is lying. Perhaps we should all reclaim our Indo-European identity — European, American, Indian and others — from the absurd guilt complex laid on us by the Jews?
Yeah.Ivan.Now it seems it has become a place just to listen to each other’s thoughts and nothing just to do.It would be far better if the creators of this site has converted it into any social networking site.Lol.Atleast then ppl might be coming here !!
From the very moment i get to this site.I wondered who is the owner of this site.And whats the purpose.Whats their motive.Just by posting thoughts we are not gonna reclaim swastika.Ground level efforts are required.But there is no mention of any group /campaign or any thing else.Who are the creators?Atleast tell bout yourselves.And why have you created this platform?
I think we have come to a conclusion. No one is interested. You and I are alone and as neither of us started the debate, I have to ask where is the creator and why have they dried
Ivan.Then what should be done?And how?Here i feel that only you and me are parting in this debate.Ppl sometime make some comments.But then there’s no further activity.We are hoping more from all.We need the comments from those who don’t want it and why?Then only through logic we will be able to reach any conclusion.But as you’re witnessing the active participation of ppl are very less.
Thats the problem Lisa. We cannot change ignorance and bad education now. We can only try to educate, but what you are educating is part pork and part solid ivory you are on a hiding to nothing. Ivory from the neck upwards will take nothing in. I sometimes fell that some folk are just about aware that they are alive.
Recently searching about indian cultural meaning of swastika ,i got through the following site.
http://vishwamohan.blogspot.com/2006/10/spiritual-meaning-of-swastika.html
If anyone interested can go to that site .A lot of information is available.
Yeah ivan.Quite right.Here we’re finding some ppl with common thoughts and some with contrasting ones.But what can we do in real?Its not the question of just a symbol but the question of myth attached with it.I mean in west such a great stigma is attached with it that it seems just impossible to remove it.And how can we really spread the right notion and meaning of swastika among the masses.Ppl might think-what the hell to do with it?But that means sheer ignorance.It cant help out anyone.Without knowing the proper meaning and value of something it utterly sounds biased to ban something.We are posting our thoughts.But is that really gonna change the mentality of ppl to any extent.I really doubt it.
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic)
i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic
0 i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
As lisa says It is not doing a deal just talking about the swastika and it’s positive sides. I joined this group thiniking that something coujld be done to get the symbol recognsed as a peacefull shape. Up to now it seems the group consists of Lisa and I and a couple others. It is nice to make friends but there could be more of us.
I wonder why the arms and ammunition aren’t banned which cause terror.Instead we engage ourselves in petty things like banning a symbol etc etc.Now this its the age of globlisation .Even if now we will pull east and west apart.Then that would so outdated.There should be the exchange of knowledge customs and culture.The partiality towards a particular symbol shows how ignorant we are infact.We sometimes burn our hand in fire.But can we ban it.Or can we forget what are its advantages(every one knows) .Similarly the swastika can have a positive note underneath.We should try to focus at that aspect.And having prejudice towards someone having that symbol is totally wrong.Its injustice.
Umm.I don’t know ivan whether using counterclockwise or clockwise is right.But certainly i don’t like the way its portrayed in nazi flag.I mean at 45 degree tilt.Anyways this site is very nice for having us proposing our thoughts.But how can we practically raise our voice for reclaimin swastika.I mean is there any group or something.Or even that is illegal?Let me know if you have some idea.
Lisa has it right. I am also glad she mentioned the wheel as the theory is that a swastiks is a spinner, in it’s counter clockwise format it turns to the left gathering the power of light. This explains Hitlers devotion to the clockwise version gathering the powers of darkness. This is why I use the counterclockwise version as do many including the Hindu’s who put a great deal of faith in it.
And apart from its cultural meaning this symbol also has a beautiful design.I mean if you’ll notice it ,you’ll find its like a wheel ,a rotating one.Its really a nice geometric design.Ppl shouldnt really ban it./Ivan yeah i know this symbol cant take away the life of any person.In the end its human who is responsible for any massacre. i only meant,swastika should be welcomed by all. this symbol might invoke their(victims’) previous fear.But that was the past.Now time has changed.And ppl get to change.But only if they feel easy.They shouldnt be forced.For example once you’ll have a drowning experience you might even fear water.But other wont.Other shouldnt be stopped from swimming.Likewise others shouldnt be barred from using swastika.And every one with this symbol shouldnt be related to nazi.Thats my plea to all.
Proffessor Eagle Owl. You have hit the nail right on the head. Re-education is the only answer. I too have pointed out the reason for my swastika but in vane with 1/2 of the population of my town being stuck in the mud of the 1940′s and the other 1/2 being thick as shit, I find I am beating on an empty drum. I say nothing unless asked but now feel unlike wasting my breath. Hitler has a lot to answer for
The swastika obviously has a very long, beautiful, and mainly peaceful history. Sadly, for many in the western world it shall for ever be tarnished thanks to its use by the Nazi party. This however does not prevent me from educating those as to the symbols true, peaceful meaning. I have swastikas around my house, on web pages, and on my being, and am continually being referred to as a Nazi. I inform these individuals of the facts, sadly many still do not take heed. Educating kids from a young age is the answer for me. It is about time the symbol became known for the right reasons again. Peace.
I have to say that I have been pulled on two occasions for wearing my St George badge and told that it is offensive to certain cultures. Now here in the UK I find this unnaceptable. St George id our patron saint and I shall not remove it. Anyone who does not like it can look the other way. I feel the same about my swastika which I carry in a case in my pocket.
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The swastika was in use somewhere around 2000 bc an was uased by Adolf Hitler for a lot less years than that. Although millions were murdered by the Nazi Swastika wearers I don’t see the symbol is to blame and should not have to be covered by toses of us who wish to use it today. My red , counter clockwise swastika sits on its feet and gives great pleasure. The black clockwise swastika of the Nazi culture sits on it toes and looks to be falling backwards. It cannot gather the spirit of light in that position. It was our swastika that was taken and Bastardised by that mad Boheimian and due to some very narrow minded people today there cannot be seen the difference.
Aptly said matthew.A symbol could have dual meaning for two cultures.And it would be quite injustice to ask the sufferers accept the icon that was once used during their torture.I mean they shouldnt really be forced.But the question is not that.The question comes for that proportion of ppl for whom the symbol has some special meaning.And those who had no part in the suffering of the innocents.Should they be bar from using swastika as their holy symbol?I think then that would be really racist.What do you think?
I think it’s too optimistic to assume that the swastika can be “reclaimed.” I know that at one time and for many people still today it is a positive image, but the fact is that meanings of symbols or words can change over time to the point where they have nothing to do with their original meaning. I think the deep association it has now has damaged its imagery irrevocably. However, I still wish you luck in your endeavors; it would be nice to have one more positive symbol in the world.
Thanks ivan.Infact i got to this site after googling for swastika.I had my vacation from school so i decided to do something interesting.I thought to know bout different religions and cultures and different areas.I begin with hinduism.And through wiki yahoo etc.I got a lot of information.Then i thought about swastika.And decided to know bout it in details.I knew it was once also attached with nazi.And i was confused how they got it.Anyways then after reading about the ban in germany i was really shocked.My emotions are always with those who were the victims of holocaust.But i was equally surprised that SWASTIKA has also became a victim. But i hope the true meaning and sacred value of this symbol will come into light one day.Thanks to all.
Thanks ivan.Thanks a lot.
619 An Indian.
Very nice of you to bless us. You are right with your post and I thank you for joining in.
.See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
Ashley my man. There is no problem using the name Adolph. It’s well noted though that the name Hitler seems to be unused these days. He had relatives so what went wrong? Thhe answer is they changed their names and a lot of them pledged never to have children in case his genes carried on.
The swastika is a symbol for peace and health. In its counter clockwise version the Hindu’s also use it as a symbol of good luck. It has been around since about 200 BC and was only bastardised once by Adolph BHitler and his national Socialist buddies.
Thousands of years of pleasant aknowledgment was wiped out by one sawn off little bastard and has never been the same since. That is why this group has come into being to try and get the symbol back on stream. It’s power is of the mind, just like the lucky rabbits foot.. I could never understand that one. It was never lucky for the rabbit.
You know,when Ms.Fu told us about tolorance,she mentions HItler.I don’t want to say his first name,becuase some people will know that I am talking about him. I want to know how powerful is the precious swastika,and how the Nazi’s dameged it’s great symbol.Now…it has two meanings.
I agree, the swastika needs to mean what it really means, or we will have lost a war we still think we’ve won… Although I prefer the “counter clockwise swastika” to the one you seem to be using.
I have a right turning swastika tattoo set within a six petaled lotus flower. Three diferent individuals have added to this swastika: a man of Japanese decent who had early memories of being brought by his parents to a buddhist temple where there was a large buddha statue with a swastika painted on its forehead, a woman who was born on an israeli kibbutz who also had a swastika on her forearm, and a young woman of jewish decent who had relatives who had survived the holocaust.
The sacred meaning of the swastika should be recaimed.
i learned about the swastika by doing a research papaer on it and before i didnt know much about it but now i am glad i do. Before i thought it was a very bad sign that hitler used on his flag but now that i have done research on it i have learned that it is a good luck sign in other in other countries and that it a very respected sign. i think that the swastika is a good sign! people just think of it as a bad sign because hitler used it. they have no idea about its history and what it really means to certain countries. i would love to change the minds of everyone and tell them about how good the swastika really is. we need to stad up for this sign and spread the wotrd that its a good sign!
I would love to reclaim it as the symbol of peace as it once was. However, I know that if this ever got into any real form of debate and went to the courts. The instance a ‘Holocaust’ survivor steps in the room… before even speaking of the horrors they suffered and endured for so long, the debate would end before it even began.
What has to happen is, people have to come to terms with the fact that, yes, it was the symbol of the ‘Nazi Party’ and for a period of five years, horrible atrocities were committed under many a banner with the Nazi symbol above. This however takes away from the fact that, the swastika did not in any way, shape or form commit these crimes, but rather people wearing this symbol, or under the symbol committed said crimes.
It is almost too much to bear when listening to people speak of the evils committed and then realise that they are only appealing to our emotions through said crimes. They are not trying to see that other people use this symbol, which is not associated with Hitler or the hate bred underneath his rule. The people opposed to this are simply trying to erase everything connected to this awful period of time and although what they are doing is more than understandable, it is however in vain, for the Nazis have been defeated for the last 64 years now and such horrible events will never take place again due to such cautions taken after the war and during the new governments that followed the fall of ‘The Third Reich’.
The symbol its self, for five-thousand years has been a symbol of peace and used throughout the world as such. In conclusion, the people underneath this symbol, during WW2, were the ones who committed the crimes and have all met their fates at the hands of legal systems and reprisals at the end of gun points and pitchforks of the victors. Although few escaped, they have all met their end at the hands of time. After so long, it is time to look past symbols and words and look at the ideals, ideals which prompted such barbarism, and for many to go over sea and land to fight against these ideals.
Symbols don’t kill people, people kill people.
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in the gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in thesd gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
What does it matter what anyone thinks in the World. The Swastika has existed as a symbol of Power in one form or another since Man started thinking for Himself. It doesn,t matter to me if you are Believers or Non-Believers. What does matter is that I can stay a Dis-Believer, and not care aboit a few squiggly-lines.
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I am sure that there is a lot of ignorance around. Take my wife for example (please take her as far as you can) She would not know a Hindu swastika from a garlick bulb. The swastika to her means Hitler and that is that. Sadly she is not on her own.
Millions of people died under the Hammer and Sickle Comunist Symbol, but it doesn’t seem to offend anybody to see a person walking around wearing a t-shirt bearing it.
But if you wear a t-shirt with a buddist swastica on it, they would try to arrest you or lynch you.
Why is it like that?
Is it because it offends Jewish people?
Hello again!
I note that on your page here:
http://reclaimtheswastika.com/symbolism/
…it’s stated that there’s a ‘positive’ and a ‘negative’ swastika. This is somewhat misleading if we take the symbol, as it’s been used, across the globe throughout its prodigously long history. The notion of one direction being negative should not, in any way, be taken as meaning evil or bad. Negative in this sense relates to the feminine aspect of the symbol. We find swastika symbols relating to the moon which take the supposed ‘negative’ rotation, and many other aspects. It would be good to emphasize that this idea of positive and negative is based on dualist thinking systems: seeing one side as good as the other as bad, which is not what the reverse swastika is representative of. Examples highlighting this are legion. Please let’s not fall prey to simplistic Judaeo-Xtian notions of right & wrong, good & bad, when we see this ancient symbol. It’s nature is much more expansive than those reductionist terms and perspectives.
Anyway – soz about the rant!
All the best – Paul
We should have a Svastica society with it’s own badge.
people should not say things such as the swastika is a sign of hatred as it is only believed like so because of hitler who actually stole the symbol from the hindus. For the people who come from india the swastika means good luck but for the people who come from fiji have a another meaning for it i only know the 2 parts and they are love and life there are another 2 but i don’t know them. Hitler did do a lot of bad things but stealing a sacred symbol is just not cool. this might sound very funny coming from a 14 (15 this year) old girl but it is true. I hate the hatred around. i have gotton my self more involved in this type of situation oly after i read the book ‘the boy in the striprd pyjamas’ please look this up and see that the swastika is only a symbol of hate only because of hitler otherwise it is a peaceful symbol.
14 (15 this year) girl from Auckland New Zealand is a concerned citizen
please look up all that hitler did you might find out more of the truth.
The movie ‘the boy on the striped pyjamas’ has come out in New Zealand and many other countries, i know it comes out later in some countries but that doesn’t matter watch this movie. i can assure you, you will remember some scenes.
Best of Luck
Excellent website! This has always been my favourite symbol since I saw the Swastika Stone, Ilklkey Moor when I was 10 year old (see it here – http://megalithix.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-swastika-stone-ilkley-moor/ ). The earliest known swastika comes from eastern Europe and dates from between 15,000-18,000 BC. Earlier than the great Hindu mythos! But somewhere, niggling at the back of my mind, tells me there’s an example from around 20,000 BC, carved onto mammoth tusks in western Russia – but don’t quote me on that one! Keep up the good work on this website!
All the best – Paul (Megalithix)
The swastika (sanskrit Svasti) is a beautiful thing if taken in the right context. Since Hitler used it to symbolize his NAZI Party weak minded people and ignorant people have branded it as evil. Nothing could be further from the truth.
AS a symbol of love faith and good luck it is worn under clothing by more people than it is imagined. I am a little different as I wear it under and over depending on the wether.
We should take it back and have it recognised for what it realy is.
I look forward to reading this website regularly.
I see a dark side of “freedom of speech” here.
WHITE POWER
i totally agree. i hate what the jews have done to the once noble swastika a.k.a. hakenkreuz. i want to see it flying on every lightpole, on every streetcorner, across this great land!!
Sieg Heil!!!
Who is the author of this website. Possibly in MLA format? I’m using this for imformation and i need a credit.
The raven has called somebody “a idiot”. I’d just like to say people need to grow up and not let everything bother them. I’m a gun toting protestant white man and nothing offends me. Wear black power, kill whitey, or anything offensive and see if i care.
As for curtiss, the skinhead scene came from the working class and branched off into different political beliefs. The ignorant are responsible for it’s recognition with white supremacy.
Hail Hitler
Ok, so…
1 we should ban the cross out of respect for the millions of people murdered, burnt at a stake, tortured in the name of it; entire cultures were eradicated, see latin America.
2 we should ban the Israeli star out of respect for the countless Arabs and Palestinians killed, evicted or otherwise victims in its name.
3 we should ban the American flag out of respect for the countless Japanese, Vietnamese, Native Americans who were murdered in its name.
Do we agree that an unjustly murdered person is…an unjustly murdered person or is there a pecking order?
I am sure most will consider the above proposals absurd…think again…entire cultures/nations were eradicated in the name of the above.
The European Parliament?
What did they do to avert the financial crisis that pulverized billions in poor people’s life savings?
NOTHING.
Too divided…there’s the free market…we’d better name a committee that will name a commission that will issue a report in five years’ time…
Let’s play cool passing laws against deceased dictators…
I see the meaning of both forms of svastica were discused here. So why infos in “symbolism” are *still8 the same as they were? Does author thinks that his explaination is the only true and correct one?
WHY DON`T WE DROP THE BOMB AND HAVE DONE WITH ALL THIS SHIT ?
Yes the symbol have been used by a idiot… and now it is time to take it back.. But as a note to you “pinetree “.. You say it is a symbol of death etc.. Yes it is that for the moment.. and so was the cross for millions before too.. and what about the symbols for a muslim today?.. What ever have been can be undone. And i think its time to take back the positive meaning in all the symbols we have. Millions died during WW2…. and we wont forget that.. But why not selebrate them by making something bad in to something good like it ones was.
Whatever it used to mean is not what this symbol stands for now.
Hatred and White Power etc etc.
A clown adopted it and now even bigger dipsticks rally round saluting it.
The symbol of death for millions who once lived
I learned about the swastika’s true meanings around the same time I was learning about WWII and Hitler in school. After finding out as much as possible, I branded the right-facing (?) swastika into the forearm of my left arm, and have been proudly showing it off since. I have had many problems with certain individuals because they thought it was there for malicious reasons. I’ve told them all the same thing. ‘I am a peaceful being who wants the right to mark or adorn their body as any other person. I do not hate anyone who does not bring hatred or cruelty into others’ lives. If you are in that category then maybe you have a reason to be upset.’ I was thinking of covering it with a tattoo of a different version of a swastika with other decorations so people can differentiate but why? If close-minded people can look at it and think it was a hateful symbol born in Germany then I’ll tell them the same thing every time and they’ll be the ignorant ones, not I.
Stand proud with your swastikas. I do.
Hi All,
I am happy to find this site as I believe that this ancient and revered symbol should not be stained by its extremely brief Nazi use. It has a rich and varied history that should be understood and promoted in the interest of peace and understanding. To ban its use is giving in to the fascist state that stood for all that is opposite to the tenets of the religions and cultures that have used this symbol for thousands of years.
I read in the previous post that the anticlockwise version represents a negative aspect. To counter that, I found this on Wikipedia:
The symbol as it is used in Buddhist art and scripture is known in Japanese as a manji (literally, “the character for eternality” ??), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. When facing left, it is the omote (front) manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).
To read the full article follow this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
If we are to learn anything from the mistakes of world history, surely it is to promote greater understanding of others’ beliefs and cultures, not to hide them!
Long live the swastika!
To the creator of this website,
You write that a Sanskrit scholar, “Sarkar, explained that the swastika has both a positive (clockwise) and a negative (the anticlockwise swastika) expression” in your ‘symbolism’ section of this website.
And then that,
‘He then went on to warn those present not to use the negative swastika, explaining that it brings total annihilation, while the positive swastika brings total victory.’
But here I would like to draw your attention to the Yungdrung Bön tradition that is 18’000 years old and still intact today as a valid spiritual path. It had used the ‘negative’ swastika for a long time, but readers may get the impression that something like Yungdrung Bön is an evil or negative cult, which is naturally not the case.
It’s silly to think a swastika one way or the other really changes its effects. I’d take out the comment of this if it were me, and I would suggest that you do so to avoid misunderstanding for people who come on this website.
Thanks
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wow, how ignorant some people are. the swastika is a symbol of peace and love. the nazi’s couldn’t think of their own symbol, so they decided to smash the reputation of one of the most beautiful and peaceful symbols in the world. thanks a fucking lot. now, peacful, religious, people are being falsely thought of as a member of a group based on hate. how very sadly ironic. ? peace, love, and harmony?
Now I’ve been getting a lot of mail about the use of Swastikas in the Philippines. Just to make things clear Swastikas really have no negative meaning in the Philippines. Strangely enough, many people don’t realize that the Swastika was a religious symbol long before it was a symbol for the Nazi party. The people displaying Swastikas on their sidecars may very well be Buddhist, Hindu, or Jainists, as the Swastika is a symbol used in those religions and yes they do exist in the Philippines. Just an addition, there are several Chinese temples in Cebu City itself. In one particular Chinese temple they use Swastika symbols. It is found near the Reclamation area or just behind the old White Gold establishment. I hope the temple is still there. The area is a bit rough and not a good place to be at night.
In Europe both wariants of svastica have positive meaning. Why you don’t write about that? You present left-svastika only as negative. Why?
Greetings from USA, Glad to hear and hope you best wishes on educating the public. The wounds of the Jewish people will not heal as long as racism still exist, The American Neo-Nazi’s do a good job of bringing back the painful memories of the holocaust. i got alot of trouble also for wearing the Buddhist Swastika symbol especially from the jewish people. Alot of Native Americans also used the Swastika symbol also.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbol, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity, and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbo, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
I heard the swastika is banned in some parts of Europe is that true? If so what parts of Europe is the swastka banned from ?
As a Heathen, I know that this symbol, at least in the west, originates as a symbol of Lord Thunor’s strength, might, and protection. The symbol’s visual design is of His lightning.
Alex claims that it should be banned, as Buddhism needs no symbols and whatnot. Sorry bub, but your nay-saying attitude will not give a better understanding, nor a better education to the public.
If Hitler made our symbol a racist one, then the Klan has done with same with the American flag that they now fly more than the old Confederate flag.
If we are to ban the Fylf?t, then we are to also ban the American flag, since it represents military aggression, racist oppression, and torture in Guantanamo Bay.
You see the point I’m getting at?
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i think the swaztika is a awsome symbol..it was origanlly a sign for peace..so i stick to that…not you nazi’s
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking ss division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
Querido Ardilla Roja:
Of course, we are the son’s of the Swastika… the ancient symbol who is, in fact, a symbol of freedom.
Here in Mexico we have Swastikas too.
Have a Happy New Year.
The Ancient symbol of the Fyflot, The Sunwheel etc,I wear as a tattoo, I attained this symbol in Iceland, where it is representative of Thor’s Hammer, The Protective Norse God of the Common man!
On the other arm is the Valknut which represents The High One Odin .
Lord of Truth to whom I give my allegiance!
It has nothing in common with the Nazi’s and totalitarianism in general!
May we all stand strong in the defence of Freedom!
I think instead of bringing back the swastika, we can just say that the handlebar mustache will stand for all the things the swastika once meant.
the swastika should be banned. Buddhism does not need symbols. Even the Lord Buddha congratulated a monk when he burned a wooden buddha statue to keep warm. The swastika has become a symbol of hate in the west. There is no need to provoke by reintroducing the symbol no matter how ancient it is.
The REAL Swastika: The logo of modern evil has a benign ancient face
http://www.aquarianonline.com/Meaning/Swastika.html
Dear AUpshaw:
I understand, living with racist is very hard , but the use of the Swastika is cause they are ignorants, they believe the stupid Hitler create the symbol… here we try to rescue the symbol, is not simple, but we must to try…
Trully yours:
H.von Neuhaus
The reason why swastikas are still looked down on is not simply because it was used as a hate symbol in the past–it still is a hate symbol. I live in the south: a traditionally rascist part of the country. I know people who legitimately hate Jews and use the swastika to symbol their beliefs in hatred.
I understand there must be frustration in the hijacking of a holy symbol. But be careful about promoting something that represents to most people (especially in the west) pure hatred.
Being a Buddhist of many years, I have seen it placed frequently on broacades and the like. It is not, in my tradition – Tibetan, a prominent symbol. I believe it was taken from the Bon religion, but am unsure. I also believe it symbolizes protection of some sort.
Of course, the Iluminatologists say it is a broken cross, but considering it’s age in the East, I am skeptical.
What Francisco Marto Rodrigues said is perfectly true. Since once ba***d misused a symbol other ba**ds want to ban it. What the change they can bring by banning a symbol. If thats the case since Hilter’s catholism caused all these havoc then Catholism also be banned. Since he used militiary dress that also should be banned. Since he lived in Germany all germans should be banned. Foolish fellows. The future can always rub away the past so use Swastika in your profiles websites etc…. and propogate it. No body can su*k anything.
Jai Hind
Long live swastika
For me the swastika might symbolize The Golden Rule, “Do not do to other that you wouldn’t like done upon yourself !” the keystone wisdom for human mutualism and cooperation that can be found in a form or another in all mankind schools of thought and philosophies. The karmic buddhist version of it says ignoble deeds will fire back on you as a boomerang.
In a broader view, the swastika might stand for the univers’ cyclical nature, whatever that means
The problem with the West and the western mind is to see things as black and white. But life is a rainbow. Sex has been repressed and prostitution and pornography appeared as an offshot. Joy and ecstatic manifestations are repressed and then people start consumming drugs. An idiot has used a sacred symbol and now idiots want to ban it. Both idiots are part of the same type of mind, just the two sides of a coin. If they want to ban the sacred swastica because of the nazis, they shoud ban the cross because of the Crusades and the eagle as a symbol because of its connection with the nazis. Then all the symbols should be banned each time an idiot uses it for egoistic purposes. They are ignorant! The swastika is an ancient variation of the cross and are more variations like the symbol of Venus and the egyptian cross. Because the cross esoterically symbolizes the Fall of the divine Spirit into Matter, the dimensions of space and time. If they ban the swastika people should start use it beneath the clothes, like a mandala.
ublee-
Why don’t you tell us what your deep reason feels like? I’d like to hear what it is. Please tell us.
Thanks.
im lee and ppl call me nazi cuz i like 2 draw swastikas. ther my fav symbol for a deep reason i dnt rly want 2 say infrnt of ppl but yea ther dumbasses its only nazi 2 americans and europeans. they say its a symbol of racism cuz of hitler but he just used a symbol for a flag like if america kills jews will a star be an evil symbol then. its just a symbol that sum dumbass serial killa used fo his flag hes not the only 1 who used it hes just the most known nowadays
Why would one want to “use” a symbol that refers to a specific thing? Like why change a noun into a verb as in “to Google” someone or something. One is never fully responsible for the personal actions of others, but one can provoke responses that may or may not be favorable. I would no more lay my understanding of the swastika on a HyperJew than deliberately stick my hand into a bucket of snakes, just because of how how the snake is likely to respond. It’s the snake’s behaviour that’s the problem, not mine.
So I can use the 3 swastikas put together like himmler did at his castle Wewelburg a.k.a camalot,and pple wont be affended by it because they dont know what it is .Because they only know the swastika that hitler used?
Billy:
I prefer the Maya Swastika, a cosmic symbol of the North… the rotation around Polaris.
Heil Leben!!!
That’s incorrect, the SS used the double rune siga like two paralel rays… some divitions of the Waffen SS use the siga for make a swastika, but they are just a few. Hitler use the Swastika like a “arian symbol” but that is incorrect too, the Swastika is a mistic symbol of life and good luck… the nazis –all of they a mob– maculate a ancient symbol with his garbage.
Heil Leben!!!
Is the Black sun used by Himmler and the ss, still a neo-.or nazi symbol, or religous symbol which is used by Asatru believers ?
This symbol is the static representation of the wheel with wings referred to in any study of angels. In real life, they rotate and sound very much like a turbine engine starting up. They have been here forever and may be thought of as souls awaiting the opportunity to reincarnate as neded, although not all of them need to. When directed to interact in synchronous rotation, their harmonies obtain the portals to the higher planes. One may hear the Voice of God should you be fortunate enough to be visited by these creatures. They are here, they are living amongst us and within us. Always have been and always will be, although in the world beyond time, “always” is sort of moot.
Yes we can!
The swastika sustains life, and destroys it.
That is the scientific fact.
For those who cliam that the swastika is purely a creative force are not looking deep enough (into that giant swastika we call the milky way}.
Galexies begin by being ‘positive’ and sending energy and stardust out untill it goes into reverse; once the reverse effect begins then the black hole destroys all traces of that which it gave birth.
Positive swastikas send energy out, the negetive onse suck energy in.
Ofcourse both processes create life; so in the end life loses, but the new beginning belongs to life.
So the swasdtika really is a symbol of life.
“Star of the moring” belongs to the Creative force for ever and ever……..
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http://commonworldinheritage.blogspot.com/
This is a good link, its important to look for common ground, rather than denounce things as evil.
Remember denouncing things as evil leads to a witch hunt mentality, you become the evil that you thought you opposed.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4717
Watch this video above, tell me are those reclining buddhas on the Etruscan uns.
I have a feeling their Godess Barati could have some connection with the Mahabharata.
Give me your ideas?
Hi SwaBoss (MarkOlson) , reply 536
I checked out your flickr photos of Swastika! That is so cool! So there really is a town in Canada called Swastika!
Good on ‘em!
sam
Hi Nancy,
I followed your youtube link. I found the video very strange. The vibration of the narrator’s voice was very creepy. I truly hope most viewers have the intelligence and discrimination to see it for what it is.
This website states the view of the Indian Spiritual master, Shrii Shrii Anandamurti, that the swastika as depicted on this website represents spiritual victory and that direction of movement is anti-clockwise which corresponds to the movement of the Kundalinii as it rises from the base cakra (pronounced “chakra”) up through the centre of the spine reflecting one’s spiritual progress.
I would encourge people to focus much less on the direction of the swastika and more on the idea that it actually represents, namely spiritual progress and spiritual victory. This is so important today on this planet. Real, genuine, authentic spirituality free from the grip of dogmatic religion – a spirituality based on the development of the higher – intuitional – layers of the human mind, and the progressive, actual experience of themselves as Pure Love Consciousness. This is the great need of the moment on this planet.
So many have attested to the fact that a battle is being waged on this planet to influence and control the collective psychic vibration that is generated here – that means, the vibration that human beings are creating. I encourage people to think about that – what is that vibration? What do you read about in the paper every day? see on the TV? watch at the cinema? What vibration is being “cultivated”, elicited amongst the mass of humanity today? Ultimately, it comes down to one or other forms of one dominant emotion – FEAR.
That is the vibration that grips this planet – fear of self, fear of others, fear, even of God. What’s the reason for that? Let people think about this. What possible reason could there be for dominant national and global institutions to create a fear vibration in the world. And who is behind such a crude agenda?
What we see today is polarisation – between that fear vibration and the agenda it represents (control, totalitarianism, cultural degradation, materialism, disconnectednes and individualism) and it’s opposite: Love for All that Is.
The quality of Love is a spiritual quality, and the victory of that Love on this earth – which means transformation of our fear-based, greed-based human society towards a “Neo-humanist” society – is represented by the swastika.
Combined with proper spiritual practices – intuitional practices – it is possible to flood this planet with spiritual waves of Pure Love. The source of that pure love is the heart of human beings, accessed through spiritual practices. The following spiritual MANTRA is one powerful means of creating that vibration:
BA’BA’ NA’M KEVALAM
Everything is the expression of one, Infinite, Loving Consciousness.
or, in short: the essence of everything is Love
This mantra can be sung – LOUDLY! alone or with others. The important thing is to really feel the meaning of the mantra – that everything is Love. After singing the mantra one can then sit in quiet meditation, repeating the mantra slowly and silently in the mind for 10 or 20 minutes (or longer!).
I often face the swastika while I am chanting this mantra – the direction as represented on this website!
I hope this will prove beneficial to people!
Affectionately
sam
COMBAT 18:
do it like your idol and kill yourself and tell others like you to do the same… don’t leave on earth any piece of nazi industry… clean all the nazis from the face of the earth… swastika 4 peace!!
SIEG HEIL. WE ARE STILL HERE.BLOOD AND HONOUR
i found this great website that i wish many people would read
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/swasticross.html
I use the Lauburu from the vasque, and the maya Swastika… I know other religions use this symbol, and is a very vital symbol, like all from paganism, the christian cross is a torture symbol, and catholics make in his name a systematic murder of the “others”, even christians. Catholics don’t deserve mercy from History.
Von Neuhaus
justice ur wrong about the christians
I think that we should wear the swastika out in public
freely and openly,and no longer be afraid of the damn
nieve and stupid pple. The Swastika in my Teutonic
Religion is a viking swastika same meanings of the positive side, and symbol of Donnar god of Thunder.
The damn Jews!,need zu wake the fick up and forget about the past and look toward the future und worry about the damed Iraqs.The Jew symbol is a gang sign also and if a symbol is a gang sign then they shouldn,t be ficken wear it anyway like we the Buddhst,Hindu,Germans,und all religons that have the swastka and if we get them not to wear then they would have no choice but to let all religions be free of this curse by Adol Hitler .I want to wear my Swastika for the follower of Donnar my god, as his symbol out in the open freely with out getting harmed,threatened,hated,punnished,or jumped on!
I’m an Indian who’s grown up watching his whole family, society and country loving, respecting and revering the ‘Swastika’. Swastika is an indispensable symbol at any important Hindu occasion, esp. at/on/in temples & religious households of India; as are the Aryan (creators of the Swastika) Vedic hymns, which are absolutely necessary to be recited at – every Hindu birth, marriage, death, festival ceremonies, etc.
I was shocked to discover (during my school days) that Swastika and the term ‘Arya/Aryan’ had been mis-used by the Nazis towards extremely violent means and ends. I’m still hurt when I hear about these two terms – ‘Swastika’ and ‘Arya’ being used by the neo-Nazis and Pan Aryans to justify their illogical (hatred filled, racial and biased) views of history and race.
Thankfully, the reality behind these two terms is easily available on the internet today, which shows how these terms were originally associated with nobility, high-morals, auspiciousness, self-responsibilty, intelligence and courage.
We Indians (esp. 85% Hindus) cannot imagine our lives, daily conduct and spiritual beliefs without Aryanism and Swastika. That’s all I can say. Thanks.
Hello Nancy
I have come across that video before, I found it sad that left and right political ideologies had to be brought into it. Making out the swastika belongs to either is not the way forwards.
Let alone attempting to make out Left is Good and Right is bad. There has been much more suffering under Communism than there was under the Nazis and the EU is creeping Communism if you ask me.
Politics needs to keep well away from the swastika altogether. I cannot imagine for one minute that what they put fowards as truth in this video is anything more than left wing Political propaganda.
I prefer to leave the Left and Right political scaremongering to the sad ethics of politicians and turn to the yin and yang symbol of balance and harmony. Politics taints everything it touches.
How great that you are letting others know the Truth about the Swastika.
Have you seen this YouTube video?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbPB8q6ZBQ
Well, the site’s name says it all. I think of all the symbolisms that we fight for, this one is one of the more essential ones.
This is something that will happen to you in the US. If you show a NAZI SWASTIKA in the US, you will get arrested or get beaten up.
So don’t do it.
The swastika is not all bad there for it should not be baned in all parts of the world. But for the part in wich the nazi’s used it for there national symbol, it is very much evil. Be thankful the allies stoped the nazi’s and there rampage.
This site is a fantastic find! Still a little bit of reading that needs to take place on my part, but I am sure I will get there.
I had no idea about the EU band … crazy! I am currently living in Sweden … I hope that they do not come and confiscate my Swastika hat that I brought back from our 100th anniversary.
Yes, I am from the small town called Swastika … the same little town in Canada … yes you can see the town sign in the pictures section of this site.
Please feel free to browse my photos from the famous little town here … http://flickr.com/photos/600901/collections/72157601022070621/
I sometimes write a blog post or two … on my site http://markolson.ca about living in Swastika. Just search the site for Swastika.
– SwasBoss
Who is the EU anyway they have no authority to ban anything, our politicians are traitors and collaborating with the EU is treason
We will to restore the Swastika as a human kind symbol… not for a religion or a political movement, just like the cosmic symbol the Swastika is.
Von Neuhaus
The swastika is the world’s oldest complex symbol. The oldest found swastika is around 8500 years old. Traditionally the swastika has been used all over the world on every continent and has almost universally meant good fortune, life, light or other good things.
We must not let this discrimination of an ancient symbol continue, just because a bunch of Germans used it in their political organization’s symbol.
RECLAIM THE SWASTIKA!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqf8VF_fr18
Good vid!
http://www.azibaza.com/blg?p=186
http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/czs/bluelotus.html
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/odin/odin-9.htm
http://www.attan.com/
It is not just the swastika that needs reclaiming but historical truth, the twin evils of Communism and Capitalism is destroying all peoples heritage and culture and torning our nations into slaves of the system.
We should support World Dharma by rediscovering our Common vedic heritage
The true meaning of the swastika is a beautiful one; I have always wanted (and am getting soon!) a small swastika tattoo to remind me to persevere. Indeed, this site is a wealth of information and one I will reference in regards to my tattoo!!
Danke!!
One thng to note is that the Hindu, Buddist etc Swastikas are never rotated 45 degrees and are often accompanied by dots. This changes the symbol significantly. The Nazis abused many symbols – runes, celtic symbols (eg triskele) etc, most have “survived and revived” since World War 2. Sadly the swastika still envokes horror in most western eyes and I think the symbol will take a long time to be reinvented in western eyes – as Steven Heller says in “Swastika-symbol beyond redemption” – “On the scales of meaning the horror the swastika evokes far outweighs any benign and harmless attributes it has(in the western world at least)”
I’ve actually noticed both so-called ‘negative’ and ‘positive’ swastikas on ancient Irish relics, suggesting to me that Hitler’s choice of Hakenkreuz was not a ‘perversion’ of the swastika, but another form of it.
Jewish bankers actualy funded both us the British and also Hitler and the Nazi party via the bush family.
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( sound familiar to anyone bushes being involved in disreputable deeds and acts ? )
If It were not for the Jewish American funding Germany wouldnt have got any where both cilivil or war constructions.
The Swastika is actualy on Numerous Ancient relics.
one video people may considering watching is a BANNED video.
JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY.
It is Very informative to the more open minded in our societys.
Did The 3rd Reich actualy fall ???????????
or did it continue via C.I.5 and 6 in uk and C.I.A in U.S.A and Nasa etc
Hidden History ????? why hide the truth ?????
the Zionist offered UK in ww2 help from U.S forces IF we conceded to give the Jews Isreal back, which we did in 47 ?
All the symbols are his users want to be:
The Swastika in mayan country is a couple of enlaced serpents… is a astronomical symbol and thats the way still is used by groups like the Asume-Edelweiss; Bergsteiger und Überleben… the Swastika in all the North Hemisphere represent the aparent move of stars around the North Pole Star.
The use of Swastika by the nazi garbage is only another crime against intelligence.
¡Saludo la Victoria de la Vida!
There’s no directional difference for a Swastik in my opinion. It’s like a gun, for example : is a tool, one could use it to create peace or violence.
Your mind could see movement but the movement is an illusion (linguistic, pictorial).
A Swastik (a) may be representing something, in different languages, but it’s only a symbol.
In the East we believe it represents good and equality. A semantical balance, all equal.
It’s as-if to call for a ban on the US flag if it were used by a militant group to promote terror?
To submit and agree to the true meaning of the Swastik as represented by the majority.
Nevertheless what you fail to understand is that good and bad are human moralistic concepts based on the concept of self-preservation. Meaning nature doesn’t equate to the concept of good and bad. Hence good and bad is in your mind (thought) and body (action).
Using a symbols representing great power has always been the exploratory pursuit of political supremacy.
The rest is the sweet stupidity of ignorant believer/non-believer.
Oh, and by the way I believe that nature has a mechanism of evolving in the form of life and that it try’s to promote self-preservation. Any ideal that promotes self-preservation, will believe in the multiplicity of the complex universe, will agree that to live we need to let live, the devours and the absurd.
However you understand the comedy of nature be careful how you Represent it ! While many will get it, someone will always get it wrong
Q: Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
A. It depends on the context. Different cultures believe different things. There is no “right” answer. Like many things in life, this is a gray area unless you stand in a stationary position (e.g., believe in one representation)
Under the symbolism link, you quote Sarkar as warning people not to use the negative swastika. However, you neglect to present a balanced view.
In many cultures (Lithuanian and Latvian, that I know of), this distinction is not recognized.
Disturbing news from Lithuania. Apologies if this appears elsewhere on your site. I am very disappointed that the Seimas does not recognize the use of the swastika as an ancient, sacred symbol. Even “variants thereof” have been banned!
Banned Symbols
Today, the Parliament (Seimas) of Lithuania passed the toughest law in
Europe prohibiting the display of all Nazi and Soviet symbols, including
flags of the Third Reich, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and
Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, their arms, uniforms and anthems.
Prohibition includes also any variant of the swastika, hammer and sickle
and five-pointed red star and public display of the images of the
leaders of the NSDAP and the Communist parties of the USSR and LSSR.
During the discussion, radical deputy Petras Grazulis (Union of the
Fatherland) wanted to include the symbols of the Polish Home Army
(AK-Armia Krajowa) into the law, but this was rejected by the
Parliament.
Russian media told their readers and viewers that the anthems of the
Russian Federation and Federal Republic of Germany won’t be performed in
Lithuania anymore as identical to those of Nazi Germany and Soviet
Union. However, the Lithuanian Parliament made it clear that the
prohibition concerns only the old words of both anthems.
Source: Gazeta Wyborcza, Warsaw, June 17, 2008.
Chrystian Kretowicz, 18 June 2008
Great website, keep up the good work!
Von Recla
And tomorrow is the 69 aniversary of British declaration of war to the nazis, for show then how’s the free world with agresors.
Long life to the British Army!
Von Neuhaus
Today is the 69th anniversary of the nazi invasion of Poland Blitzkrieg showed the world a whole new type of war.Thanks to the German army.
Blooson, I have swastikas on my collectable WWII German uniforms because they are part of them. Whether they are viewed as good, bad, or indifferent, the swastika is just a geometric design. The East does not have an exclusive claim to the swastika, nor any other part of the world or any religion. No one knows when the first one was scrawled with a burnt stick on some rock or an opponent’s forehead. I could claim I invented punctuation marks and therefore demand royalty payments from the entire Earth’s population.
Hi All,
Perhaps it is time to cleanse the Swastika of its negative connotations and liberate it from its association with the Nazis.
As many have pointed out the Swastika is an ancient spiritual symbol that has been in existance for thousands of years and can be found engraved on the walls and floors of Buddhist and Hindu temples as well as churches in parts Asia and Europe. It is a symbol that unites races and religions.
The following video explains the significance of the *three* forms of the Swastika along with its direction of rotation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbPB8q6ZBQ
We have a choice here. We can continue to make the Swastika a symbol of fear and hate or we can reclaim it and use the way it was originally intended.
Cheers.
nice one well done hitler
swastika is a sign of peace but if used the wrong way can be evil but genraly is good!!!!!
Nazi swastikas are black, not red, or blue, or plaid. What is with all of the Hindu stuff? Hindus think their dead uncle is a beaver, or some deformed child is a god. The U.S. Navy has a building that is a swastika. And guess what? Somebody saw it on Goggle Earth and whined about it. Now, with my tax dollars, the building will be changed so the whinybutts will shut up.
Hello to all,
What would be a left turning Swastika?
Well that is a mirrored western swastika or the swastika you are using as your page banner.
I must also say that a red swastika which turns counterclockwise and is a mirror projection of the swastika you are using, stems out of the Hindhu culture.
The blue one who is also mirrored and turns counterclockwise, that stems out of the Tibetan Bön culture which has its roots about 18.000 years ago…..
So the Nazi cross is a red one and shows the copy out of the Hindhu culture.
Furter copied out of the Hindhu cultur, done by the German spiritual lady adviser from Hitler is the word Arier.
Arier is derived from the Sanskrit word Aryan and this means great. Herewith is meant the greatness of the Brahmins. These Brahmins have blue eyes and blond hair. These are the Aryans of the Vedas. So Hitler thought with the help of his female spiritual advisor that the Germans would be the source of the Brahmins.
Further do the Brahmins speak an Indo-German language. This is indeed for Europeans easier to study then Chinese.
That all was for Hitler a motivation to make war on an ideological base.
Mussolini did the same in relation with the Roman empire and Hirohito, well he was anyway a God King and could do everything he liked.
These were some more detailed explanations regarding the Swastika in relation to the western world use of the ancient powerfull blue skies symbol.
Best wishes:
Kalden Yungdrung
Hello Pete,
Yes it is indeed thta the use in the western world of the swastika is a right turning one.
Original it is counterclockwise, to the left.
So the question would be why is it in the western world a right turning swastika?
Regards:
Kalden Yungdrung
Kalden, the emblem of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division was, from 1923 to 1940, a red right-pointing swastika on a yellow diamond. Both ways are found in American Indian history and societies. The 45th changed its symbol in 1940 because of the Nazis. Today it is a red Thunderbird and the smaller 45th Infantry Brigade is headquartered in Oklahoma as the Oklahoma Army National Guard, though a lot of them are in Iraq right now. Swastikas have been pointed both ways in many countries for many years. Who knows, there might be cave paintings somewhere with swastikas. Hmmm…Nazi neanderthals.
Hello all,
There is something to say about your banner e.a. logo.
When the swastika is right turned this means in fact the nazi cross.
The ancient Hindhu and Tibetan Bön swastika cross is to the left turning.
The swatika is the symbol of eternity.
The swatika describes with its left turning the way the palnets turn.
The Swastika means in the Bön history of aboyt 18.000 years YUNG DRUNG.
Because Bön deals with ultimate Wisdom is this Wisdom eternal and symbolyzed by the Swastika or Yung Drung or in the Bön language Mu Drung. With last mentioned Mu Drung is: Mu = sky and drung = eternal
P.s.I saw the reply of a Jewish person. he might maybe upset because your emblem or banner figures the anzi cross, because it is a right turning cross. Like i told are the religious crosses used in Tibetan Bön Buddhism and in Hindhu culture, left turning swastikas.
Best wishes:
Kalden Yungdrung
sWASTIKA iN vEDIC TEXT MEANS SOMETHING PEACEFUL.
sWASTI = Peace and well being for the whole world
The Canto in vedas
Swasti Na Indro VruDhaShwaha
Swasti Na Pusha, VishwaVedaha
Swasti NasTakShor Arishtha NaeMiHi,
Swasti No BruHasPatti Daddatu
So swasti is asking The Lord of Swasti or the lord of Ashta vasus or directions for peace and and good will for all.
Swastika In Hindusim is Lord Ganesha. So dont hate the symbol. Its got nothing to do with Nazism
My, hasn’t this subject veered off into sniping and innuendo. It’s just a geometric design. What if they had used a hexagon? So much for bolt heads.
But, if controversy is required by some just to get a rise with an unrelated subject, here is a note from 8-year old Kurt Hoffstedter of Munich in 1943:
Dear Mister Himmler,
please don’t kill all of the kikes. I like to fly them.
Yours suspiciously,
Kurt Hoffstedter
Dear Lev Abramovich,
What has that diatribe got to do with the Swastika?
We’re supposed to be coming together to reclaim this peaceful and holy symbol. This isn’t the right place to be raking over the same old coals.
We all know about the Holocaust. We know what happened. We don’t need to be reminded of the horror at every turn in our lives.
Please, for once, can’t we concentrate on the good things in the world rather than spending our lives fretting about the bad?
To my dear Lev Abramovich:
you’re too stupid to be talking like this. It’s not a “nazi cross” you idiot. And this site is about a symbol with thousands of years older than the nazis and concentration fields or jews themselves. How can you be such an idiot? Either you’re a cultureless jew or just a sutpid guy with internet and nothing to do. Long live the swastika, symbol of good luck and prosperity. Death to stupid idiots and nazis! Circumsized kisses to you all! *****
I stumbled onto this website while researching the origins of the Nazi cross for a college class.
I am saddened by people who still are so dumb that they think the “jews” run the world.
You all just cant accept that there are jews in many different countries, who are all different races, and several of them are very successful. They are successful because they worked hard, and are smart!!!!
Try it sometime. Hopefully you too are smart!
And, From what I gather, isnt this site supposed to be for people to try and restore the peaceful, and WISE meaning of the original Swastika?
I cant believe how many STUPID people are on this site! I have seen countless people say that the holocaust was a lie, and then even more people not say one word about it!
How could the holocaust be a lie, if there were 19 concentration camps across europe, 7 DEATH camps across europe (devoted SOLELY to INCINERATING all of its visitors),
and many labor camps as well.
Over 30 camps total, devoted to sacrifice….not to mention, that the population of Polands jews went from much over 3 million, to less than 100,000!!!
Then, add the countless other jews, the Russian jews. the Hungarian jews, the german jews. Even Greek and Danish jews were killed.
There are COUNTLESS VIDEO TAPEs of Countless camps being Liberated, with PILES of bodies, containing hundreds of thousands of people, and that is only from the last couple DAYS of the war! Use COMMON SENSE!!!!
This isnt some conspiracy!!! Many different countries had soldiers with film, photographs, and written accounts of these atrocites. Not to mention, the several german documents detailing the plans. And, the many nazi officials who ADMITTED these atrocities.
Oh, and I almost forgot, we have the actual REMAINS of over 30 HUGE camps, devoted to housing thousands of prisoners, and then cowardly proceeding to gas and burn them.
Dont you get it????
They had to build STOVES in order to BURN THE CORPSES. THAT IS HOW MANY WERE KILLED.
Do you get it now???? Kill twenty people. Mass grave. Kill 500,000 people at one camp over four year? You have to proceed to Incinerate them. WHich is what the Nazi scum DID. Now, add up ALL of the death camps, and youve got 6 million EASY.
You want to be CONSERVATIVE???? 5.5 million is being ridiculously conservative.
You can fill up a book with the SS cowardice. The eisenstazgruppen would kill THOUSANDS of slavic jews in russia, and even slavic christians, for no other reason than these soldiers were brainwashed into believing that the people were scum.
In germany and hungary and otehr countries, The SS had several ambulances, which were air-sealed, and had a big red cross on the back. These big vans would drive up to groups of native villagers, and ask them if anyone wants to go and work, and be fed. Then, the ones who got in, would be driven around a corner, and gassed, in the rear of the van.
LOOK IT UP. There are many pictures, and testimonies, which are obviously authentic. I enjoy the neo-nazi who OWNS UP to what their idols did in WW2. At least those neo-nazis have BALLS.
OH, and the Swastika is NOT a WHOLLY GERMANIC OR NORDIC SYMBOL. How many artifacts must be found all over the earth for you dumb neo-nazis to accept this? It is YOU who are sub-human!
Richey and Pete:
I agree with you too, everybody in the world need a change of goverment, but I hope that came without violence.
The better way could be the education, and that’s a very hard task.
Hope we can do that together.
That’s the spirit of the Swastika’s people.
Toi, toi, toi !
Richey, I agree whole heartedly with you. All you and your fellow countrymen need to do is what we did with the same government you are under now. The question is: Do enough of you have the bolox to actually do it? It’s a big move, but the only alternative is continued slavery. Then again, you are unarmed and therefore any action would be moot. We kept the Germans from doing this to England. We didn’t know the British government would do the same thing years later. Sorry. It’s up to you (England) to make your destiny what you will of it. I hope you prevail.
We need Reinvention, A new flag. We need a new meaning. A new way of the old ways! We need to put all the best ideas together and use them. If any negative stuff comes along we need to come together and communicate with the person or people to find a positive outcome for all concerned.
Today in the uk and alot of europe people are sick and tired with being messed around by their governments and councils. Most of the partys are corrupt to the core. People need to unite and do something about it. One day soon the day will come when people will say NO MORE.
I love swastikas! They give the illusion of rotation, but they are standing still. They’re like old school spinners! But I’m not a Hindu or even religious at all. I’m white and I feel that it is a symbol of my heritage and it connects me with other white people. I don’t want to kill the jews but when I see a swastika it makes me feel proud that I am white.
On the forum http://yungdrung-rignga-ling.forums-free.com/ there is the right explanation about the Bön version of the Swastika.
In Zhangzhung language, the old language of the Bön it is called Mu Drung. It means eternal sky.
The Chagchig or ritual gYungdrung goes together with the Shang or flat bell.
The Chagchig in the right hand and the Shang in the left hand.
Bön culture is about 18.000 years old.
In this relation do i guess that the Swastika or Yungdrung (Mu drung) has its origin in the Bön culture.
Best wishes.
In Bön:
Kalden Yungdrung
I grew up knowing only the bad of the swastika symble i was unaware of the ariginal meaning with that i say thankyou for educating me.
I grew up knowing only the bad of the swastika symble i was unaware of the ariginal meaning with that i say thankyou for inlighing me.
… and because of WWII there will never again be a child named Adolf Hitler.
Damn you Adolf for ruining two perfectly good names!
bxnbngfngf
Dear Anonymous,
We have only one revolution to our credit and it was our own. We have tried to stay out of other people’s wars (Norway was pussy enough to be taken by the Germans) but, we helped get them out of your country anyway. We have been either dragged into foreign wars since 1812 or were attacked and did something about it. Americans don’t like war. We like going on with our daily lives and not messing with goofballs who have nothing better to do than interupt normal people. I’m guessing you are fairly young and watch too much left-wing TV. We have nothing to do with Nazis, except putting them out of business.
And just what is “bad” about having an eagle as our national symbol? The eagle is a symbol of majesty and strength, which this nation possesses. What is your’s, a walrus, or maybe an icicle? On top of all that, you are illiterate.
jadroe, you must be jocking.
The country you are talking of is not a country but an empire. It has prodused more conflicts, wars and revolutions than any other empire in the world.
I wish they never use the Swasita , it is bad anough that they use the eagle.
In a society like the one that is present in the U.S. today, would it even be possible to enlighten people to the true meaning of the Swastika?
This society is so media fed, and who controls the media? The same people that don’t want to let go of the recent past, the recent past compared to how old the Swastika is.
Such a great country, one that really does produce a lot of good, but there is just this hint of common sense missing, the drive to “know” beyond the media, to think outside of the tube.
If the cultures that used the Swatsika as a positive symbol also had a God, then I wish that this God would appear and educate the closed minded, and do away with the upholding of the wrong images that people have of this ancient ideogram.
It seems to me that the human body is a converter- the perfect tool for transforming energies that pass through us. all energies that pass through the human body or are generated by the human body should be converted to positive, beautiful energy that resembles light as opposed to darkness.
This symbol as become dark and it creates darkness in the hearts of people who look at it now.
it must be converted to light- so that light is its only creation.
Beautiful job Mr. Kornus.
I saw a Chinese Mauser years ago that had many swastikas stamped all over it. I asked the dealer what they were about and he said the swastika was, and is, a popular good luck symbol in China. One time I drew an electrical schematic and then noticed that four of the wires looked like a swastika. I didn’t change it. Some people whine too much about nothing. It’s just a geometric design. The next thing you know, someone will want to ban circles because people throw up if they spin around too much or, squares because they impart being “enclosed” and therefore anti-social. We musn’t forget the mentally impared (like those who freak out about swastikas).
You can still find plenty of swastikas in the Southwest of America because the Indians use it for all sorts of things. I saw a wrench a few years ago that was made in Chicago in the 1920s and the company logo was a swastika. Whine, whine, whine.
Heil Berg!
Like in the Nanga Parbat.
Live long and prosper!
Héctor Chavarría
That, about the armenian swastika is really interesthing… have you photos or something about that?
The Swastika is a beauty, the nazis are idiots.
Sieg Heil, und Sieg Berg!!!!
Live long and prosper!
Héctor Chavarría
sieg heil
the jews are the ones who tried to vilify and ban the swastika, let us not leave that point out. the national socialists used it for the same reasons you do.
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Karekin Dickran
Your absolutely right, the Catholic church is nothing but a glorified power house.
“Swastika” ideogram is an ancient symbol depicted by plenty in Armenian Highlands, dating back
to 20-15,000 years BC. Armenians call the symbol Astica. The prefix “Ast” stands for
Almighthy. Ast.vads in Armenian means God, the sufix “ads” means: who gives birth to [energy].
Kindest regards
Karekin Dickran
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Torquemada:
You must be one of those who believe in the inquisiciòn like the method for make good catholic slaves.
The inquisitors are criminals.
I hope you can learn a little bit more about the Swastika.
Your catholic cross is a torture instrument.
live long and prosper!
Tomas de Torquemada
You must be one of those that believe in the Mumbo Jumbo of Christianity.
Hakekors has been around before they even where considering making that fairytale.
Los mejores deseos de SWASTIKA para todos, palabra que en sanscrito significa:
ES BUENO ESTAR BIEN.
Trully yours:
H.de Chavarría
Hakenkreuz, gammadion… Swastika:
¿Cual profanación? Están dándole demasiada importancia a la cruz cristiana, la cual en realidad no es otra cosa que un instrumento de tortura.
Además, al simpático “torquemada”, para que fuera “una profanación”, la cruz cristiana tendría que haber sido equilátera… y no lo es.
El verdadero símbolo del cristianismo fue el PEZ luego la iglesia romana -que no es cristiana-, eligió el simbolo de tortura romano como su insignia y en nombre de ese instrumento de tortura los católicos, no los cristianos, masacraron a millones mediante la inquisición, las cruzadas, etc.
Así que ¿cual profanación?!!
La Swastika es un símbolo dinámico, de acción y bondad… la cruz de los católicos es estática, significa dolor y muerte.
> Hackcross (Hakenkreuz) is profanation of Christian Cross done by breaking its beams in half on middle of each beam radiating from crossing point.
Except that the swastika pre-dates Christianity by several thousand years.
Hackcross (Hakenkreuz) is profanation of Christian Cross done by breaking its beams in half on middle of each beam radiating from crossing point. Because of this, hackcross should be totally banned.
Mr.Castillo:
Realmente todo se reduce a una cuestión de interpretación.
Son las personas las que hacen las cosas buenas o malas, como también es de las personas el concepto de bien y mal.
La Swastika, como se ha dicho muchas veces, es signo de bienaventuranza, es antigua y dinámica, los nazis la ensuciaron y los creyentes en “satanismos” le adjudicaron una dualidad buena o mala según la dirección en la cual se supone “gira”, pero eso es una tontería.
Si desea conocer algo mas al respecto, busque en el website del periodico Voces mi artículo sobre la Swastika y verá el profundo significado que esta tuvo para las culturas ancestrales de México y tiene ahora para grupos de montaña como el Edelweiß Gruppe Mexiko.
Atentamente.
H.Chavarría
I say that people that want to do evil or bad things always steal from God the beautiful things to devalue them and cause confusion. It is always in the eyes of the beholder and their perception. I have always loved the rainbow and when I learned it had sinister meanings was told to take it off my truck. No, I know what it means to me. That is all that matters. The swastika is what you believe it to be. As humans we tend to forget that God made all things good. Man in his choices and rebellion chooses to make things evil. The Confederate Flag to me is beautiful yet it offends others. I see it as part of history and not as a race symbol. People need to let things go, :its a bag of Cheetos”, let it go and get another one.
Que?
Tienes maestría y doctorado en ambas??
LOL
Ciendo de Mexico eso tiene el valor de trabajando en McDonalds aqui. LOL Ganas $5 al dia.
Felicidades con tu maestria y doctorado.
Tu policia te Roba.
Tu gobierno te Viola
Nunca logras Nada
So tu educacion de caber Japones, German, Y Mayan no te ayuda NADA. Y tu lo sabes LOL
Mayan?? Que logras con eco?? LOL
La verdad, otra bes entendi como 40% de lo que escribiste.
Ya dejame en pas. Ya se que tienes ambre so ve y gana tus $5 al dia.
Bein echo.
Mucha Mucha Suerte
RECLAIM THE “POSITIVE” SWASTIKA!!!
For sure Bernt:
The representation of Swastika as the sun, came from the cultures of south, like Moches and Quechua. In the north cultures, like Maya and Mexica, is a polar symbol and that’s the way as he was always used.
The movement (aparent) of the Polar Bear around the North Star.
Bernt you are correct with the rest, but never the direction have a significance of good or evil like some people want to believe…
In fact, the mayan Swastika is a double one… and have the same value.
That’s the way we on the Edelweiß use them on the mountains.
Dr. Héctor De Chavarría
Edelweiß Gruppe Mexiko.
Gringos de quinta y mexicanos de octava:
Lo que resultó muy claro fue su nivel ¿cultural?, Uds. son de esas personas, arrimadas a la limosna gringa quienes para empezar no hablan ni inglés ni español…
Preguntan algo de jardín de niños y cuando se les responde correctamente, su ignorancia les lleva a sentirse ofendidos (sintiendo que les dijeron satanistas), bueno esa es una premisa de la estulticia.
Es obvio que firman “anónimos” por las siguientes posibles razones:
1.- Les da pena su apellido (si lo tienen).
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2.- Son tan cobardes que necesitan el escudo del anonimato.
3.- Se han puesto tan en evidencia en su estulticia, que hay una muy comprensible verguenza.
4.- Seguramente andan huyendo de migración…
5.- Obviamente a cualquiera le daría pena que los mexicanos de verdad, a los que insultan en sus “cartas”, sepan quienes son…
6.- Son unos maricas cobardes, aparte de apátridas, que sólo desean ser gringos (lo cual jamás serán pues ahí sólo los aceptan como criados de cuarta) y sólo quisieran llamarse smith, en vez de perez.
7.- Cuando quieran escribirme, háganlo en inglés, alemán, japonés o español…, no les pido maya o náhuatl, porque está demasiado más allá de su alcance y, no en una mezcla cómica de dos idiomas que no manejan.
Y por último, no haré chistoretes con sus apellidos porque como son culeros (la parte de atrás del pantalón), no los pusieron. Por cierto, no intenten con los albures, desconocen el castellano.
En cuanto a la historia, del periodo nazi y de mi país, tengo maestría y doctorado en ambas, amén de cinco premios nacionales por divulgación de la cultura (aunque dudo entiendan eso)… y, al ignaro que habló de la Thule Gesellschaft, debía leer libros de verdad con la historia de esa asociación, a la cual jamás pertenecieron quienes menciona, porque era una organización aristocrática.
En cuanto a la Swastika, JAMAS HA IMPORTADO “SU DIRECCIÓN”, HACIA LA DERECHA O LA IZQUIERDA. Hay Swastikas, no suasticas buenas o malas… y los nazis, por cierto, las usaban en ambas “direcciones”, debían documentarse donde valga la pena.
Atte.
Dr. Héctor De Chavarría
Ive Been side tracked by some Clown from Mexico calling me names because im inquiring about information and hoping someone could confirm or deny this information.
First
Basically what i have learned is that there are two representations of the swastika.
A positive and a negative.
If anybody can confirm or deny this PLEASE let me know.
Second
If the above is true. What ive learned is that the swastika which spins towards the right is considered the Positive Swastika
and the swastika that spins left is considered the negative swastika.
So for now.
Can anyone confirm or deny the above information.
I know that the swastika is one of the oldest symbols known to man and that indeed there may have been a time that there was No difference between the two types of swastikas.
What i think is that atleast from the mid 1800s to about the 1950s there may have been two representations of it.
Can anyone please confirm or deny?
Thank you
Hector “Chupa Verga” Chavalaeeeya
no respondas
Ve trabaja por $1 al dia
Thank you to everyone else.
Hector CHAVALA eeeya
Ill talk spanglish to you.
You seem to be educated mi amigo but the way u express yourself makes you seem very low class. I’m mexican. Mi papa nacido en Aguascalientes y mi mama en Jalisco. No tienes respeto mi amigo. Te ase falta. If its true you call mexicans born in the United States “come mierda” its ironic. Because millions of YOUR familia y amigos come over here every single year and live in the worst communities. Drive the cheapest oldest cars. Become gang members. Are ALL drunks and Adulterers. Have more children than they can afford. Don’t respect the laws. Don’t appreciate opportunities here and NEVER return to Mexico. They basically come to the United States to “Come Mierda” of us all. So before u consider Mexicans born in the U.S. “Come mierda” you better look around at your freinds and family that want to come here. Anyways lo que dices del swastika que Satanistas inventaron el Mal Swastika es lo que estoy diciendo. Hitler was a member of a Cult that worshipped Paganism or Satanism. It was called “}hule Society” No sabes nada Hector Chavalia. Go study history a little more. No hables lo que no sabes, estudia mas mi amigo. Hitler, Himmler, Y Hess eran parte de el “Thule Society”. So para ellos the swastika that rotated left was considered a more powerful symbol than the swastika that turned right. Hmmmm pues no se si me entiendes so nimodo Hector Chavala.
Hablando de los Maya, si se de el 2012. Y otra cosa, Si comes Mierda Hector. Aqui en Estados Unidos vivimos la vida buena. El Government de su country los tienen tan domiandos que ni pueden ganar $1 americano al dia. Felicidades
Be cool
I love to hear different opinions from people. The swastika in my opinion is a very pretty symbol. This is my favorite website!
Dear Chicano:
First to all, Thanks for call me “come mierda”, that’s the way we, the real mexican, named the latin born garbage there, in USA. LOL.
So, I try to explain you, what the Swastika means, if you can’t understand: sorry my friend. And don’t call me “vato”, that’s like a insult for a real mexican: I can know about my name 500 years on the past, just in México. In the Pais Vasco, I can go 1000 more, years back so, I’m very proud to my family name, and that name is DE CHAVARRIA, with RR, not L, like use to say the people who can’t understand Spanish, that Euzkadi word means NEWHOUSE in your chicano language, and VON NEUHAUS in German, CASANOVA in Italy, ATARASHI IEE in japanese and is a very old name.
So, I can try to explain you about the Swastika in México, but I don’t think you can understand nahuatl or maya lenguages and his symbols, sorry.
By the other hand, if the swastika go to the right or to the left, that’s means nothing. That idea came from the “satanist” who was the most believers in the really pathetic chistian god.
Have a nice day.
Mexica tihui !!!!
(That was in nahuatl, the ancient lenguage of the Mexica). Be cool…
Hector de ChaVALIA
Que onda vato. Mire mi espanol no es muy bueno. So ohala awantas un poquito con como escribo. Ya se que no estoy escribiendo mis palas bien. Tambien soy mexicano. Nacido en Los Angeles. Puedo ver que entendiste lo que escribi en ingles. So si entiendes ingles porque no me respondes in ingles?? Entendi como 50% de lo que escribiste. Yo a oyido varias veces que la swastika dependiendo en que direccion esta dando vuelta representa “Mal” o “Bueno”. No qiero escribir mas de esta manera so si puedes escribir en ingles responde me. Si no come mierda por yamar me satanista.
Asta luego
Ah!, Real Revolution 2012:
Una cosa más…
Si te cuelgas del cuello una Swastika, irá con tus movimientos de un lado al otro ¿querría esto decir que eres “satanista” a veces y otras no?
Echale una ojeada a los estandartes nazis, esos de Deutschland Erwache! y verás que la Swastika va en ambos sentidos.
Eso del “satanismo nazi” lo inventaron varios alucinados, entre ellos los autores de Le Matin des Magiciens.
Un saludo.
Edelweisz Gruppe Mexiko.
Dear “verdadera revolución 2012″
La verdad es que esa idea, o más bien esa creencia, de que la Swastika “opuesta” significa “el mal”, es un invento de los patéticos creyentes occidentales en “el diablo”, esos mismos que inventaron las misas negras y otras tonterías teatrales con el único fin de hacer orgias. En realidad los “satanistas” -de Satán, el adversario-, son los más firmes creyentes en la deidad judeo-cristiana. ¿De no ser así, para que crear una liturgia respecto de su propia deidad adversaria?
En el budismo, las antiguas religiones mexicatl y en general todos aquellos que han -hemos-, usado la Swastika desde la más remota edad, el “sentido” de las “aspas” carece de importancia, la Swastika representa el movimiento, no un sentido de éste.
Los creyentes en el “satanismo” y tonterías afines se inventaron esas tonterías del movimiento levógiro u dextrógiro. El simbolismo “solar” corresponde a los pueblos australes, no a los creadores verdaderos de la Swastika, que procedemos del Hemisferio Norte.
Así que, no te enredes, la Swastika es un símbolo astronómico -polar para más referencia-, y el rollo nazi nada tiene que ver con eso. Ellos -los idiotas nazis-, usaron un símbolo que no les correspondía y hay que agregar a sus crímenes el haberlo ensuciado.
Un saludo afectuoso.
Von Neuhaus, Edelweisz Gruppe.
I don’t believe that both the clockwise and counter-clockwise spinning swastikas mean the same thing. There is a specific reason for example that the Nazis used the counter-clockwise spinning swastika and made sure that on there flags the swastika was never reversed on the opposite side. They did this by using thing fabric and basically sewing two flags together so that the bleed through did not show the clockwise spinning swastika. Any one who knows WWII history knows that the Nazis were Extremely heavy on Ideoligy. So there emphasis on making sure only the counter clockwise swastika was represented speaks volumes on how different its meaning was from the clockwise spinning swastika. From what I know the Nazis used the counter clockwise spinning swastika because it stood for Victory. This may be fact but there could also be another reason for having chosen this particular swastika.
What I have read only Once was that the positive swastika is the Clockwise spinning one and that it represents the Sun and nature or Natural or positive or Good energy. A true good luck charm. And that the Counter Clockwise spinning swastika represents the exact opposite. When u think about it this actually fits the stories about Hitler having been a member of the Occult.
So again and for the last time. Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
God Bless
2012 nears.
SWASTIKA -fylfot
THE SWASTIKE IS A SANSKRIT WORD COMPOSED OF “SU” MEANING “GOOD” AND “ASTI” MEAINING “BEING” WITH THE SUFIX “KA” AND IS EQUIVALENT TO “IT IS WELL” OR “SO BE IT”. tHE SWASTIKA IS ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT AND SACRED OF aRYAN SYMBOLS DATING BACK TO BEFORE 6,000 b.c.e. IT IS THE SIGN OF THE SUN,S STRENGHT, AS THE UNSTOPPABLE WHIRLING MIGHT OF WILL. THE ROUNDED VERSION VERSION IS KNOWN AS THE SUNWHEEL SWASTIKA. THE CLKOCKWISE MOTION REPRESENT THE CONSIUS SELF.
my grandfather was in the Luftwaffen. I may share his beliefs or i may not. it doesn’t matter. no matter what the connection to the symbol is, it only that. a symbol. people need to grow up and grow some balls. don’t let a simple little cross ruin your day.
About your doubt: the two swastikas are the same, the aparent movement around the Polar Star.
The Oldest religion don’t see differences on one and the oposite .
Youre
H.von Neuhaus
Which is the Positive swastika??
The Clockwise Spinning Swastika which represents the Sun and Natural??
or
The Counter Clockwise Swastika which means the opposite??
Anybody posting on this site please respond.
Thank you
Christianity is a religion made up of goulash of religions and it was introduced in Europe with a sword in hand.
The swastika means good luck and have during the centuries been used as such, unfortunately evil temporary concurred the Aryans in WWII and using their propaganda machinery to smear the swastika.
I think the swastika does not resemble evil as thatis saying these religons which use the swastika are evil and that is like people saying Christianity is evil and thatis not nice
Johnny 21 london
There is a widespread resentment in Japan (I’m from there btw) over the West’s usage of Swastika, known as “manji” in Japan.
Nintendo’s Pokemon had a buddhist-inspired character, but that was censored in the USA. The same happened to a cartoon “Kin’niku-man” OK, these are less big deals, but many Japanese families carry “family symbol”, and many of them contain manji, because it has been and still is the symbol of Buddhism in the same way cross is for Christianity and crescent is for Islam.
Japanese resentment probably wouldn’t have much effect, but what may happen is that China’s increasingly anti-west sentiment may pick on this issue and possibly India to follow.
Can Anyone Clear up what the Two forms of Swastikas actually mean though PLEASE.
Here is what ive read.
A positive swastika is one tha spins CLOCKWISE.
Clockwise meaning towards the Right with the extending lines flying left away from the clockwise spin.
The other example is the NAZI swastika which spins COUNTER CLOCKWISE. Meaning spinning towards the left with with extending lines extending right away from the counter clockwise spin.
The reason a clockwise swastika is considered POSITIVE is because its spinning with the NATURAL flow of NATURE. The SUN. Again NATURAL.
While they say a counter clockwise swastika is considered to mean VICTORY that tends to mean RESISTENCE or UN NATURAL. Against nature. To change the natural flow of things. While this of course sounds positive depending on your perspective it could also be considered as a Selfish act. To Combat the natural way of things for ones own personal gain at the cost of all of nature.
The actions of NAZIs are a clear indication that UN NATURAL acts were carried out but were planned from the begining.
Thats why im for Reclaiming the Swastika only because i think that we are still experiencing today alot of the negativity that the NAZIs spread through out the world.
BUT people have to be informed as to which Swastika is actually the POSITIVE swastika.
I SAY THAT THE CLOCK WISE SPINNING SWASTIKA IS THE POSITIVE ONE.
clockwise spins towards the right with the lines extending out towards the left away from the forward motion
THE COUNTER CLOCKWISE SPINNING SWASTIKA IS THE NEGATIVE ONE.
counter clockwise spins towards the left with the lines extending out towards the left away from the forward motion
PLEASE SOMEBODY CLARIFTY THIS FOR ME.
THANK YOU
GOD BLESS.
I totally agree with the idea of reclaiming the swastika, and re-educating people to the beautifull meaning of this symbol. I think it is something that will eventually inevitably happen, although without a lot of help, possibly not in my lifetime.
I have recently been doing some stencil grafitti of different swastika’s with positive phrases, so that the people who see tham might associate the symbol with that word next time they see one?
Any ideas of words, or places to paint them would be greatly appreciated!
Swastika for higher levels of being
I couldn’t agree more that people need to let go of how bigot’s and racists have misued tradintionally strong and meaningful symbols. By banning it and not talking about it and being offended when someone sees it, what message is being sent?! It’s to keep the negative thought alive, instead of being able to recognize the bigger picture of its history.
I like this site and found it while looking to educate myself a little more on the symbolism of different historically controversal flags….Thank you for the enlightenment!
One thing your forgetting on this website, minor really, is that the swastika also represents the Sun.
Good luck destroying the stereotype, it will be a long battle…
thats a nice symbol
but people dont like it
one day i went to school with a t-shirt that had a swastika on it and i became an anti-semit for the rest of the smester
The swastika/fylfot is also a symbol of Odinism/Asatru. Let it be reclaimed in the name of Odin.
i think that everyone should have their own beleif on what the symbol means. Weather or not that means the nazi way or the original way. i think nobody should try to take the symbol away from people who use it in a different way to show there belief because it isn’t their fault the Nazi’s chose to use this symbol for nazism like they did w/ many other symbols they technailly stole from other people to mean what the nazi wanted to mean.
isn’ t it just a sad fact of life, that another bunch of fat
political morons in europe wants to flex it’s political
and totalitarian muscle, to dictate their living terms to
all citizens. knowledge is power and they pass laws so that you can’ t have any. this is the process of all
political pigs, regardless of the symbol they use to
represent themselves.
Is it not true that a Clock wise spinning Swastika means the Sun and Life and Natural?
While a Counter Clockwise means the opposite??
Does this website have a secret agenda?
I thank you for what you are doing with this site. The only way that things are going to change is through education and you are doing a good job here. I stumbled upon your site while doing research for a school paper, and found many interesting facts and pictures. Thanks again and keep spreading the love!
Worth reading about Swastika.: The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism and Nazi Survival_ by Joscelyn Godwin is an interesting book about occult and pseudoscientific theories on polar shifts, the succession of ages, the Aryan race, the “hollow earth” theory, Nazi underground bases, lost cities, UFOs, mystical powers, theosophy, sex magick and a host of other obscure topics. The book begins with a discussion of the theory of polar shift, its relation to astrological, occult and Hindu calculations concerning the ages the earth has gone through. The actuality of the proverbial Golden Age might have some support if at some point in the past the earth’s axis was parallel to the sun and not veering at a tilt. The North Pole would have had a temperate climate, illuminated by the shining stars, moon, the aurora borealis and the light of the sun visible beyond the horizon-a place of eternal light, a theoretical location for the Garden of Eden. Arising from this polar theory is the notion of a primordial polar homeland for the human race. This leads into the bizarre theories of the origin of the Aryan race and the superiority of Indo-European culture and religion over that of the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern Semites. The Nazi believed that the Germans had a mystical homeland in a northern region known as Thule. The theories of the Nazis are examined, including Alfred Rosenburg and his official exposition of Nazi philosophy, _Myth of the Twentieth Century_. The Sicilian esotericist Julius Evola and his book _Revolt Against the Modern World_ also draws from the polar myth. He believed that an original Aryan race migrated from a polar Hyperborea, following a solar religion dominated by the warrior ethos and conquering spirit. According to Evola, the original religion of these Aryans has its elements sown in the myths of world in a variety of cultures. A more aberrant view of Nazi occultism comes from Miguel Serrano, a Chilean diplomat and author. His work _Hitler: El Ultimo Avataro_ describes a cosmic struggle between the Order of Nazis who are currently located in a hidden base in Antarctica against “the Demiurge”: Judaism, Christianity and Freemasonry. The deliverance of the Aryan race will come when Nazi flying saucers emanate from Antarctica and take over the world. Many theories have also circulated about a possible “hole at the pole” where adventurers could gain access to subterranean Utopias. Aghartha and Shambhala are two mythical cites in Central Asia whose existence has been either literally or figuratively believed in. The denizens of Aghartha stand for worldly power while Shambhala is the abode of mystical enlightenment. The place of Antarctica is examined in detail as well as the North Pole. While the North Pole has a pleasant reputation (surprisingly Santa’s house is not mentioned) as a cozy homeland, the South Pole has stood for the earth’s demons. In old legends, treachery, death and monsters have been associated with the South. In modern times this translates into Serrano’s secret Nazis in Antarctica plotting against humanity. The Pole figures to a great extent in the various theories of the origins of religion as well. In the period after the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment, many different scholars attempted to develop a unified theory to explain the origins of the world’s religions. One theory was one of a universal solar worship. An example of this would be the Gospels written to describe the sun passing through the signs of the Zodiac throughout the year. Phallus worship was another theory, attributing religion to the awe primordial men felt toward the generative and fertile sources of nature. The polar theory is a combination of the two. The swastika also has its origins here. The positions of Ursa Minor taken together throughout the seasons of the year thousands of years ago would have looked liked a swastika when depicted on a chart showing the seasonal observations simultaneously. The mythical “Land of the Sun” in several ancient cultures and astrological setups also show a polar orientation. Godwin notes that King Arthur may be drawn from the polar/solar traditions as well. The “Spiritual Pole” chapter covers the metaphysical practices, including Yoga, which have used polar and axial ideas to stand as a metaphor for an ascent into enlightenment. The last third of _Arktos_ summarizes the theories of why the earth’s axis is at a tilt. The “catastrophists” believed that the pole shifted in sudden violent changes in ages past and was responsible for epochal calamities. The “uniformitarians” on the other hand postulated that the earth is continually shifting its polar locations, repeating in cycles. The scientific theories concerning polar shifts are examined, but Godwin draws no conclusions for or against the idea. Of course, most of the occult literature on the subject is totally at odds with objective science. The most outlandish theorist examined here is Cyrus Teed, AKA “Koresh” (no Waco connection). This mystic propagated the idea that we are actually living on the concave of earth’s inner shell. The stars, planets and the sun are reflections inside the earth itself. One aspect of Godwin’s book that makes it informative is his objectivity-and possibly even a subtle hint of approval–towards his subjects. Godwin concludes by making reference to the Kali Yuga, the Age of Iron that describes the modern world process of decay according to Hindu eschatology, in addition to the “end of the Age of Pisces.” Although Godwin does not take Pisces as referring to Christ, he makes his support clear toward the idea of the “earth reasserting its rights” with a polar shift–a massive global catastrophe–that will destroy the pretenses of humanity and inaugurate the next Golden Age
Swastika is very ancient and holy symbol of India.In Harappan cities which belongs to 3600bc Swastika was excavated.In many indian ancient rock inscriptions start with ‘Swasthisri’.Many civilizations considered it as a sign of Good luck.Such a symbol of antiquity is nothing to do with those who misused it..Those countries which banned it simply doing it because of keeping inside some kind prejudice on Swastika’s cultural and religious connections.That is the real truth.
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Hi Julia,
It’s a great idea to make t-shirts. Perhaps also a small ‘.com’ after the ‘Reclaim the Swastika’, so that people can find this community?
The font for the website is called Due Date. If you wanted to take the initiative, then we could add a link to buy t-shirts from the website.
If you want to discuss any of this off-list, please email mail at reclaimtheswastika.com.
Hey, I wrote a comment in March (I think) asking what us common folk could do to help reclaim the swastika. I suggested buying T-shirts with swastikas and quick-witted lines, but as you perhaps do not have the budget to do this, I was wondering if I would be permitted to make a T-shirt saying “Reclaim the Swastika”, perhaps even with your fonts and stuff? If you do not wish me to do so, or if you’re a trademark, then I will of course not.
However, if you are a trademark, you are most welcome to start producing these T-shirts. I know I’d buy one!
the swastika has been wrongfully corrupted and the EU should seriously reconsider using it. It’s true meaning has not been lost, just clouded in misery and hate. We need to right this wrong as soon as possible.
i agree
OMFG U GUYS AER NASIS!!1
But seriously, it’s refreshing to see that there are some out there who can see past the very temporally recent and geographically localized use of this beautiful and ancient symbol! The simple cross is just as old and widespread, but nobody recalls the horrors of the christian crusades when confronted with one.
The outrage directed at the swastika when used in a peaceful, proper context always seemed to me to be nothing more then a knee-jerk reaction by people too simple minded to do even the most cursory research. It seems being viewed as a racist is a much more taboo thing nowadays then inadvertently being seen naked!
if you discribe the phisical appearance of Mr.adolf heatler whitch is the leader of the organization of swastika, he look like a pinguin i dont know if thats true but it just base on my research.
The propoganda after the war has turned the History upside down.
There is a reason why we are discussing this today!
I think the swastika looks super cool. So did Rudyard Kippling (Jungle Book) as he had a tattoo of one, and then Hitler came along and ruined it all, even NAZI sounds cool, but Hitler ruined it all.
Don’t think it be reclaimed though.
H.von Neuhaus
Finest movment where the Jews gather all their forse to destroy their Arian aponants after declearing war on Germany in 1933.
Read the history and ask your self the question.
Why is history always repeating itself when it comews to the Jews.
Swastica as presented by the NS is a powerfukll symbol trying to be apressed byall ZOG organisations.
Lady Michiru Kaiou San.
Gomen nasai, baka ni tsukure wakari nasai…
Some idiots came to this honorable site pretending be “nazis”, they are really patetics. Like this guy Bernt… My apologize for they.
The fight of England agaist the barbarian… was a finest moment in human kind’s History.
We need to fight against the ignorance and give the SWASTIKA his real significance.
Yours from México.
Graff Herrman Von Neuhaus.
Mein Liebe Bernt… however was your name…
Tienes de “ario” lo que cualquier humano tiene de reptil. Tu idiotez es sólo comparable con tu nula capacidad intelectual… los nazis pasaron al basurero de la historia… y ahí se quedarán.
Nuestro interés consiste en rescatar un símbolo que unos tarados ensuciaron. Mira “ario” relee (si es que sabes leer) Mein Kampf y ve de donde sacó el idiota de tu “Führer” la idea… yo ya lo leí, en alemán, castellano e inglés, tengo dos de sus libracos… dedicados de puño y letra. Ustedes los “neo” nazis son patéticos.
Te pongo esto en español, idiot, para ver si en tu “superioridad” hablas más de un idioma.
Yo hablo seis…
Graff Hermann Von Neuhaus.
I totally agree that the Swastika should be rehabilitated.
For far too long, the ignorant people of the world have
continued to demonize this mystic holy symbol, but
what they fail to realise is that the Fuhrer (Hitler) stole
it to symbolize his twisted Weltanschaung
(world view), just as he stole everything else to build
up the NSDAP.
My mother survived the Blitz in London in 1940, so
I never experienced World War II or the Third Reich,
so instead I decided to research it, regardless of
other people’s opinions.
I know about the Holocaust, so I am not insensitive
to the plight of the Jews.
And if anyone needs a reminder, just take a trip to
Auschwitz, which stands as a permanent reminder of
the horrors of National Socialism.
(Nazi is shorthand for Nationalsozalistiche Deutscher
Arbeiter Partei).
The Raelist’s use a symbol that is a combination of the Swastika and Star of David.
After much controversy, they changed it, and in 2007 they changed it back.
It doesn’t say much that they are a UFO religious cult, but they know that it’s all about peace.
it is a symbol for many cultures and rases. i say that the jews should get over it . just like the rebel flag and the african americans. if they can get over the confederacy then jews can get over the nazis
well, F the jews! what about palestine? what are they going through? this is not a race thing! it’s about a symbol and what it means, it doesn’t means “kill jews!” for shore!!!! Israel wasn’t even a country 70 years ago!.. But this site it’s not about religions, it’s about a symbol that was interpretated the wrong way…
i think its nonesense do u ever think of jews and what they went through? no need to reclaim the swastika
The swastika’s misinterpretation is one of prejudice, in my opinion. The symbol was used to bless homes and families in the East for centuries. We shouldn’t be offended by it just because some maniac like Hitler abused it. I use a symbol that is based on the swastika and that doesn’t offend me (some of my relatives are Jewish).
@H.von Neuhaus – Cool. Well, you can post small images to this message board with a simple HTML image tag. For this, the image would have to be already present on the Web (e.g. on Flickr):
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Or, if you just want to send them so we can see them, please email mail {at} reclaimtheswastika {dot} com
Thanks.
How can I send to you the pictures of the symbol used by the rescue team from ASUME 19?
I’m trully sure you don’t know the Atlante Swastika… tell me please.
The Asume 19 is a mountanering survival group who use the Edelweiß and the Swastika as symbols… we want to reivindicate the ancient symbols profanated by the nazis.
We think this is a very good place for doing.
Saludos afectuosos.
In fact I have the idea of writhing a book about the Swastika, but I need a editor… and we are making swastikas on metal and plastic here in Mexico… and finally, my group of mountanering use the atlante double swastika as his symbol with the inscription: Omnia Mecum Porto….
Thanks for the fight in pro of the understod of this beautifull symbol.
i applaud you for ding this- the symbol is of great power- it deeply sadens me that Hitler still controls the minds of innocent people who no not the power and great beaury of the symbol– i have thought many times to write a book or do something to promote the true essence of the symbol– well done- let meknow how i can b of any assistance…
blessings; larry ford
Is there anywhere that I can buy swastikas?
I would like to acquire swastikas.
Tim P.
Actually I think Tiny Ray is right.
Despite the last few enlightened bloggers, this place has basically become a place for the most insignificant leftists and right wingers to have each others heads.
Don’t you realize that you are acting out your finely distorted programs?
Nature built in a program for you to hate and exterminate one another; this is a program that almost every earth specie possesses; it is a program which has no danger when confounded to the animal worlds but when combined with human condition–conditioning: this is where the dangers takes it’s root.
The “eat or get ate” program works for the animals, it keeps order because it would be impossible for any specie of animal to completely exterminate another specie.
Only humans have grown to a point where they can dominate, only the Lions hunt, but they always will because they could not and “would not”"wipe out the entire specie of antelope or caribou.
The Law of the jungle keeps the animal world in order and once kept all humans order, but it was the presence of the first pioneers to erect superior orders which were incompatible with the primitive earthly program……with a little luck the human race took a un-natrual and non-evolutionary quantum leap!
Since animals are incapable of gaining control over the forces of nature and subduing life intellectually (and physically), they can’t be compared to the human condition.
This is all a recipe for disaster and the eventual extermination of all life, even the RULERS-INITIATORS OF THE MADNESS!
It is why you will all defeat each other with your constructed dogmas and ideologies, because you (as in most who read and comment on this forum) refuse (or mabey unable to fully grasp the reality) of the diversity in all life, and that because of this diversity in color and ideas you must practice tolerance ALL OF YOU!
None of you have a choice anyway, mine as well except that you are all different species of human expression and be at peace with it, then together you will “be as one”; call it a passive version of “separate and equal”!.
Instead of following the basic principles of great ideologies, traditions, and religions to flourish side by side as a true artist would have it, (as was done among the Muslim and Hindu scholars), you slip in the poison that destroys great works of art.
Instead of “left and right”, “old and new”, “male and female”: working together,— you tear apart that which the Law had brought together for the purpose of creation and the preservation of the Created.
The Gods, the deities, the angels, and their sons are neither completly left nor right and yet both.
The essence of the soul is the center as well as male and female; and so reality is for both preservation and creation!
OLD,NEW, MALE, FEMALE: ARE ALL ONE ENERGY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CREATIVE PEOPLE!
One energy that is infinitely fragmented of course!
The right hand of the Creator preserves that which IS, which means all the races of mankind, all precious art: scientific, and cultural achievements of ancient civilizations and cultures, all the angles who were there from the beginning, all the species of life itself and all their specific creative faculties of which every living being possess, ALL the energy that comes forth from every created essence of every race, specie and form—-of which shaped and continues to shape the world around them, just as they were and continue to be shaped by the world.
Quite simply the RIGHT hand of the Creator preserves that which is created: be it the White Race, the Jews, the Native Americans, the various African peoples, the various Semetic and Aryan peoples of Arabia, Israel, Iran, India et.c——ALL have a created right to be preserved by the right hand of the Law.
Adolf Hitler understood that.
For a true Creator does not create a specimen of artwork for the purpose of destroying it, or to oppress it, only the freewill of the created can do that.
So the Creator is both left and right, just as it is both divine male and divine female; one simply works with the other in prefect harmony.
The act of Creation is meant to be followed by immediate preservation and so “the right and the left” work hand in hand in this process of life, love, light, and art.
Humanity tears this process apart by separating that which The Holy Creator invented together and this is the first step to eventually bringing together that which the Original Inventor created separate.
It is both the right without the left and the left without the right that produces the problem in physical existence especially because of the immense diversity of consciousness’s types therein.
Racial preservation, or the preservation of the artists art is just as essential to life, light, and love as The Creation of New Races is to The Sons of the Creator.
For the Old (or Original-Originals) is protected by the right hand (obviously), and the new is created through the left hand and the female aspect in nature; thus: Old (Originals) sprang from the “Original Left” aspect of the Creators mind; this act was immediately followed by the Creator protecting (or preserving) his work with his “right hand”; and again, the Original Creator was Angrogenous just as it was neither left nor right.
Creating something without the desire to preserve it is a dishonor to yourself and your art.
Since The Old is Male in essence, and the New is female in nature–(natural essence). Accordingly the male is the one who effectively preserves, the First Female along with the Sons of EL Creates, and they both (and all) contribute greatly to this wonderful process of creation and preservation!.
So mixing races when done correctly is a form of the feminine-creative-new aspect of the dreams of the Children of the Creator dwelling in physical life, but “they” (meaning new races) must be specifically “designed”–(also must design themselves through living experience), if decided upon; and the original as well as new pure races which contain all the colors of the light spectrum though also manifested by the feminine initially are protected-preserved by the heavenly, the male.
Red and Blue, two precious colors of life, when mixed correctly make a beautiful violet, but red and blue are still present in our rainbow and in nature, and so with the same logic white should not be destroyed by other colors but should exist not only side by side (remaining pure), but should also increase it’s light by serving the other colors, so that all may eventually return to the ONE origin of creativity by each second.
When White serves it’s true (highest purpose) it will actually elaborate on other colors when it is time to unite all life.
Thus Race Preservation and Multi-Racialism are aspects of the Creativity of The Desire of The Creator’s Children, his sons and daughters and of you, me, and all may live out their destiny.
Thus their creative power (old = new = timeless) should each be defended and promoted on an equal and tolerant basis.
To preserve what exists and to allow for New Creation is the way The Sons of The Lord Creator wants it; but contrary to the teachings of “the world” this must be a responsibly thought out operation, it must be done consciously and with perfect order in mind and practice.
Race mixing is karmic, and can be very interesting and beautiful when done by us.
The Hindu Indians technically hold the genes of 2 or 3 original races, which were brought together correctly,and purposely designed by some of the first Watchers to create civilization.
The Hindus were designed by a Great Artist, they are a perfect earthly specimen with the correct skin shade to counteract the radioactivity of the sun’s relation to the earth and along with their completely Aryan physical features and with the mental powers, spiritual foundations, and the incoaded program of the heavenly EL-ites.
Thus the Indians are a perfectly mixed raced specimen, are “in time”, and happy even though their ancestors originated from that place were Semites and Aryans decided to start intermarrying, and their highest families were designed by the Elohim themselves, with Aryan Angelic features and correct skin shade for earthly existence along with a program that passes the test of time and lasts into eternity—and a soul unique to humankind.
The Peutoricans on the other hand were created by wicked foundations, they are the product of the rapes, murders, and plundering done by the Spanish Conquistadors and so are of a completely different mindset from say Indians just as “American Wasps” are of different nature to most Europeans.
So whether mixed raced or pure race, the three most important components are spiritual purity, proper genetic programs, and good karmic conditions.
Any race created in good social, spiritual, and genetic conditions will be successful and full of beauty, creativity, and new thought forms.
The Hindu Indians are not simply “brown people”, they are in fact “brownish-red”, guardians of the holy fire of life, color, creativity, and kindness though they are fully capable of righteous anger, of both Vishnu and Shiva, ultimately serving Lord Krishna.
Hinduism is a colorful perspective and a perfect earthly religion-culture, for when light enters the physical world, we have the color spectrum, the rainbow!
And so Hindus are happy and full of bliss, they deprive themselves of nothing good that life has to offer and they feed their “clean desires”— as opposed to the West which has tended over the last few thousand years to serve their unclean desires: full of grotesqueness and life negativing properties.
The Hebrews worshiped the Father of Light and Creation though they ended up disregarding the Art, while many pagans worshiped the Art and disregarded the Father-Creator, but the Hindus worship both the Father-Artist and his Creation-Art, and they venerate the sons of the Creator who made all this physical life possible through their own creative desire.
Thus they honored the Creator and the Creation and worshiped both, this is why these Indians were superior to their Semitic cousins because even though the Aryans had their symbolic idols, which when compared to the level of egotism and blaspheme that reached the highest heavens where the Semites were concerned, the idols of the Aryans were miniature in comparison: not even worth the wrath of Shiva or Vishnu, let alone Yahweh.
The Essenes were very much the same except that they worshiped the pure light of the heavenly realms and so unlike Hindus were not “people of the earthly transmission of light”, but reflected the pure light of the higher heavens, this is why they dressed in White and did not where red dots on their foreheads—BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THEY REALLY ARE!!!
The Essenes were not hypocrites like Catholics and most Christian Bishops, Wearing and desiring to be “White”.—-they get a hooker, instead they prefer to take out their shit on kids and old lady’s!
While the Hindus celebrated the colors, spiritually innocent desires, and spark of Physical Light in Creation by wearing a spiritually pure form of red on their third eye and carrying the fiery spirit in their lit souls.
The Essenes also honored the spiritually pure redness of life and earthly creativity but their ancestral origins were directly of the spiritually pure White Light of the highest heavens, while The Hindus are a perfect earthly race of peace, love, and cyclical success (though they also have ansestrial heritage from the Sons of Light, they were invented on earth (and other planets of the universe; invented with a program intended to be the most successful on earth because of the perfect balance of this work in form.
The White Race unfortunately was never meant or intended for this planet, and this is why it has been so unsuccessful (on the level of evolution)–(getting back to their original state), instead it has provoked the devolution not only of it’s own race but also of many others, and still it retains the few genes that allow it to rule over all life, thus preserving it’s dominion.
All races have fallen victim to the temptations of the Race of Azazel; all have been subverted, initiated into the dark arts, shown the lie of “progress” and as a consequence have either lost their souls or sealed their fate because of the usurpation of the refracted light emanating from a fallen and in some cases bastard race.
It is important not to put all whites in the same category, for you have those who have more of the Atlantian gene, and those of which the Neanderthal gene is more prevelant.
Those whites descended from Atlantians tend to come up with “ideas to save the world”, ideas such as “to put an end to all war”, “to have earthly creatures live together in harmony and integration”, and have also created some of the best quality art that has given the West it’s psychological superiority.
Those who are more Neanderthal are the complete opposite to their Atlantian counterparts.
They hate artists, their only pastime is war, and bigotry is their only love.
Forchunatly the White Race is a mixed breed because they have both Atlantian and Neanderthal heritage and so for the more Atlantian (unless they have virtually uncorrupted line) struggle with these two natures–one beastly, the other Godly.
Most hippies were of the breed I just described and that is why they celebrated their revolutionary ideas while at the same time rejecting race—they had to do this because their whole lives they had Neanderthal decendents presenting themselves as “white” and abusing the word “race”.
The proclamation that all whites are the same is what made those whites who were most Atlantian turn on the “white race” because they had been taught that “white is this”, and “race is that”; and so they felt a moral obligation to reject both race and white.
If they only knew that they’re hatred is founded, but that they have been lied to when it comes to directing it, they would realize just how precious their kind is.
They’re war with their parents and the Capitalist White Power structure was simply the same war that has been waged between the more refined whites (lets call them Atlantians for fun) and the more beastly ones (truly the decendents of the Neanderthals).
The ancient war between the Race of Jacob (Yakov-Atlantians) and the Race of Esau (Caucus Mountain Neanderthal decendents) is still at it’s peak because the wicked shepherds (fallen angelic races) have given ruler ship to the race of Esau (The Hairy White Beasts from Northern Europe) so that they can enjoy their own fallen time cycle.
Forchunatly the Neanderthal derivative race also retained genetic codes (from the interbreeding that occurred under Azazel leadership) and thus the knowledge of the keys to earthly power (and destructive energies of the physical universe), which lays the power to manipulate the forces and laws of nature in their hands, as gifts if you will, from the Ancient Atlantians.
All because the Atlantians occasionally had sex with Neanderthals they conquered, the time cycle of Esau was initiated; and so the Atlantian-White Neanderthal crossbreed was the result of this mixture, thus the Race of Esau!
Esau is the “White Man” and Jacob-Yakov is the “White Atlantian”, the White Angelic forefather of all Semitic and Aryan peoples of every skin shade and from every race.
The most disastrous racial mixing project was the creating of the Esau race, and the repercussions were the most destructive.
Many races of the earth have been cursed for following the “White Man”, virtually every color of the light spectrum separated into individual races of mankind have been severely effected by the leadership and influence of “refracted light”, thus “spiritually impure Whiteness”–in fact the most diabolical form of “impurity” because it holds the angelic keys to opening the doors of power in the physical world thus ensuring dominion no matter how wicked the intent.
Now do you know what the Davidic prophets meant when they spoke of “wicked shepherds”?
No it wasn’t Esau or Jacob per say that they were fighting, it was corruption, of any bloodline, be it that of Judah, Benjamin, or Esau—The prophets were not racists as they are commonly depicted and accepted, though they loved their race and genetic progeny (probably a lot more than other races)–so to a certain extent they had a tendancy toward prejuduce (to pre-judge) but not racism (to dominate others based on a beleif in the superiority of ones race, tribe, or nation).
The prophets of the holy bloodline were not loyal to a middle eastern tribe “by blood”, but by the the righteousness of whoever chose-chooses life.
Now you know what Yeshua really meant when he said that “your fathers killed the prophets!”
He wasn’t talking to or about the Davidic linage or to common semite peasants but to the bloodline that had participated in knocking out the righteous lines of Benjaminite and Davidic heritige (his parents family) from the role of leadership.
When Pompi invaded he through the decendency of Solomon out on their ass, introduced the Pharisee’s and Sadduccees which had already been gathering power, and made Yeshua’s family, who were of royal blood and tradition poor and this is why they were forced to live as peasants; but Yeshua still had “the blood”, and the “the tradition” that produced (or brought to life) prophets, wise men, creative people, and visionaries without number throughout the Ages and so did his family and all the decendents of his family!!!
That means all those decendents of his family members who married Frankish nobles to create the Merovingians brought their Davidic line and Essene tradition to enact a new and improved bloodline of the keepers of Pure White Healing energies.
The Cathars were the purest manifestation of their wise choice to interbreed with the Franco-Germanics…. so with the coming of the “holy grail” to Southern France came these ideas that were passed down by blood, the tradition that came with that blood, and that tradition was Essene by and large.
It had been since Noah and Enoch, it was only slavery and captivity that followed the conquering that the early Israelites did that allowed the forces of darkness to introduce depravity into their pure tradition.
Anyhow It was the corrupted bloodline that had killed all of Yeshua’s family and ancestors who he accused, NOT THE JEWS!
(As today, yesterday it was those who officially represented “the Jews” to the world and to themselves.)
This group of Fallen Semites found another tool when they came accross the “Khazars” because this Polish Warrior people were in fact the decendents of a strain of Esua, the enemy of the Semite races!
When some of these antrpenuars interbred with the Khazars they infused great power into the slavic bloodstream and created a new people who would be their well paid (at least)slaves.
So while the Royal Line of David made the wise descion to infuse itself in the Franco-Germanic heritige, the decendents of the Pharisses and Sadducces found themselves content with the children of Esua (Neanderthal decendents) while they kept their lines as pure as they could; interestingly many high ranking Pharrisees and Sadducces infact married into the Western (Anglo-Germanic race) while they promoted the majority of hebrew “sheep” to take Khazars for wives!
There in lies the great difference between Eastern Ashkenazim and Western Ashkenazim, for the smart hebrews, be they Essenes, Pharrisees or Sadducces married into the Anglo-Germanic-and or Anglo-Saxon tree and this is why Western Ashkenazi’s are some of the smartest people in the world, because their fathers were very wise when they choose their wives.
Though every race has been significantly effected by the corruption of the Half Neanderthal-half Atlantian crossbreed (mixed race specie) commonly reffered to as the so-called “White Man”, the Reddish-brownish peoples of India have protected and preserved their spiritual integrity amongst all the attempts to conquer this strength.
This is because they are the chosen race of earthly existence, they maintain peace cyclically and must direct the races of the earth, even must help to rehabilitate the White Man and cause him to discover the great power he holds to repair a broken world, a power which resides in his genetic incoading, it is the power to transform reality, and if channeled correctly can bring paradise, “THE NEW EARTH” to our planetary system.
The Hindu is there to teach the White Man, and guide him to his greatest purpose and achievements, to bring White Light to physical life.
Unfourchunatly the dark powers have been given power over the “White Race” and this is only because they were themselves products of great temptation partly because their Creators were fallen angels, “Gods” on earth who left their heavenly host and caste and decided to do the unnatural.
So the White Race must humble itself, because it is the original bastard, a bastard of the Gods, the Watchers who committed the original sin of an ‘unnatural’ race mixing.
This is the origin of the confusion which plagues the white race, a confusion which the whites look to share with the other races who have nothing to do such misforchune.
The other races have much different stories and should not waste their time adopting the confusion that arises from being originally a Neanderthal Ape Man crossbred with a God.
Indians are not bastards even though they are a mixed race because their high castes were designed by the Watchers themselves prior to the whole “sleeping with the daughters of man debacle”!
They have Aryan chemistry, cemetry, and geometry with a earthly, fiery spark of creative redness impregnated into the brown soil of the fertile earth which gives them the beautiful color of their skin and their sunlit souls.
Whites must look toward India when they want a perfect example of earthly cyclical perfection, and when they seek guidlines for living and want to know of their heavenly (Original) heritage they must look to the Essenes for they were a perfect reflection of the White Light from the heavenly-higher realms.
They should never however mix pure light with any manner of darkness or deception because that is the source of the worst possible manifestations.
Therefor they should refrain from reading the Bible because they do not have the wisdom or the knowledge to decoad it’s true secrets; the books still present in the so-called “Bible” though it still retains the the language of light (which is the source of it’s great attraction) it has been horribly distorted for thousands of years by opportunists (both hebrew and non-hebrew) who gained power under Babylonian activity.
Thus The Great Hebrew accounts of EL’s program for a New Earth was altered to serve selfish men who preferred to keep others in bondage while they fed their sense-gratifying goals; this is why they introduced all manner of animal and human sacrifice into the documents (animal sacrifice out in the open and human sacrifice “sublimally”), this is how they served the enemies of Israel because they got Jews to perform the sacrificial formulas which permitted dangerous and violent races to conquer them without mercy.
Most other “Pagan” Gods worshiped power for power sake, but the Israelities cliamed to know and practice righteousness, where taught to sacrifice power and rights for righteousness sake; and so the only way the Israelites could be decived was if they were convinced that what they were doing was “right”.
This was the very origin of the sorrows of this destinkt community of people.
Israelites were always referred to as sheep because EL gave them genetic qualities which sheep have, sheep also were given the qualities of an innocent race, they were given angelic genetic coads thus the reason for their angelic nature; by convincing Israelites to sacrifice sheep they thus convinced the jews to sacrifice lesser versions of themselves which were created to be a reminder to Jews of their position to their Creator.
By sacrificeing sheep, doors were opened for superior animals (false Gods) in the human community to devour and sacrifice “The Ju’s”–”like sheep”.
By convincing Jews to sacrifice the divine feminine, they set up the program for Jews to be sacrificed because only the Original Eternal Creator is fully male; in comparison we are all sheep, in order to get mercy and become more male, we must cherish and protect all that are more feminine, all that are helpless, all that are subjects, all that cannot defend themselves, then we will all receive protection from the “lions” of the universe, otherwise there is no protection from the beasts, the destructive and unfourchunate forces in our universe.
In order for the rule of pure spirit to arrive, it should never be sacrificed for temporary power.
The Essenes were a sect of Israelites that preserved the original doctrine for a perfect existence given directly from the Elohim to Enoch and Noah.
The Essenes had the teaching that truly secures cyclical protection from the death forces, and allows for eternal peace in and out of the physical worlds.
They were (and are) the “good shepherds” here to lead the flock of humanity to the light.
But the ones that took the power were not “good shepherds”, they were infect the agents of death, they were “wicked shepherds” and thus invented a set of documents (out of the original teachings and speeches of the Hebrew prophets throughout the last cycle) and wrote themselves in, they preserved enough as to justify themselves so others would not see them for what they are, this is why at the end of “The Book of Isaiah” when the prophet condemns animal sacrifice, the wicked ones then wrote in at the last page “and now we may sacrifice to our Lord” so it became a question of loyalty, not of righteousness, which tricked the Ju’s to fall to the mental level of the pagan!!!
The sin of the mind was not the most evil act, but sacrificeing spirit made flesh is the altimate transgression!
So it is not sacrificeing “to idols”, or to “other Gods”, that is the sin, it is the evil sacrifice of the innocent that is the greatest transgression.
Being blessed has nothing to do with loyalty to a personality because choosing life, and living in tune with the Law of the Creator surpasses any “human or Godlike personality”.
The Wicked Shepards tried to make it seem like betraying the great personality was the not only a sin, but the ultimate sin, when in reality it was the murder of a helpless being that was the sin and which opened the doors for demons to destroy Israel more fully!
As long as the Israelites remained in bondage they would need these monsters, as long as they committed unnecessary sacrifices they would suffer unnecessary sacrifice at the hands of the carnivorous, as long as they remained in bondage as consequence of transgression they would remain indebted to the wicked shepherds and the beasts of the Gentiles.
And the one act that would remove the rope would be the correct one, but the Israelites could not find themselves able to cease following the lairs, and the more protection that they lost from the Lords of Light the more protection they would need from powerful demons of which these “wicked shepherds” were vestiges.
If we all cease unnecessary sacrifice (that only promotes the opposite of life and makes the spirit of Eve ill thus ev-il), love your own and then extend that love to others, this is what all the prophets who were of the bloodline of Enoch and Noah, (who were Nazirites and Essenes)preached to their flock and anyone else who cared to hear it, but their most important commandments were continually altered in order to change the meaning of every word they spoke, all the better to empower the enemy with their “great words”.
Thus all the good they preached was preserved (and altered in every other quatrain), at the same time they always “gave the commandments at the end” (like demanding the jews perform sacrifice of innocent creatures).
Thus the flock of Israel became indebted to those who were able to triumph over them by lying to them and increasing their fear.
It was bad luck for the Israelites because they were vegetarian by race, and so by getting them to kill animals and devour them, this effected the Jews in a much worse way than it would the Romans (because Romans were lions by nature) thus they are natural omnivores; but the Jews are meant to be vegetarians, when they deviate from their ordained diet they get very sick and this is the greatest reason for jewish stress levels and a part of why they have developed so many genetic diseases, because like sheep, goats, cows, ect. they are meant to be vegetarian!
So the master lairs effect great peoples like a drug, and the hangover IS THE FUTURE and the distorted-time destroying qualities is the result from reading these corrupted documents. Hinduism on the other hand is not very corrupted and nearly perfect, and it is a natural manifestation of life and light weaved together.
Anyhow the preservation of the old is also the preservation of the new, thus pure races and mixed races must be preserved side by side, all corrupted races must be purified through great repentance, and order should be the guiding force of all future creation!
Ideologies must do the same because most of them have a central truth and are worth preserving from an artistic point of view!
To Each his own, to every individual his private creed!
Go the way of the Artist, the Swastika, the Star of David, the Gods, the creative force and except diversity as our greatest strength!!
Follow the righteous crossbreed, follow not in the steps of unrighteous giants but in the way of the spiritual ancestry of David from the truth spoken by the prophets to the example of the Cathars, to the Royal Experience of The Merovingians by blood.
To those who are rebellious I suggest the taking of LSD in order to help you find your way, or to just “zone out” if that is what you want, for many of you are still angels and are beautiful works of art.
But for those who want to make use of their time I suggest following in the way Enoch, Noah, and Isaiah, in the way and leadership of great men of old and renown!
Seek the Good Shepard’s!
Live long in the land!
The swastika is Buddist in nature
I think that the swastika should not be banned from use because if people are mature they will use the symbol right. Also kids use the symbol in school prodjects ,and are learnig how discrimarory the symbol is . So no the swastica shouldn’t be banned for certian reasons .,
The swastika destroyed Germany just as it gave birth to Israel by using the “most willing” in the final sacrifice.
It is more hypocritical to use the star for racism than to use the swastika cause you know, the swastika is force that drives, the star is pure peace, we do not drive it, it drives us
The “Star of David” is also known from all civil and or “civilized cultures” in the universe.
The Hexagram is found in the molecule and in the molecular structure of the universe on all levels.
The swastika is the heart, that which is life, and the star of David starts as small as a musterd seed and it’s body gows while the spirit can never stop growing.
Your connection to the swastika is sheer reality, but our connection the Hexagram is to that of divinity in ourselves, our univese, to the highest heavens.
The swastika is found in every culture on the planet.
All from the most primitive to the most advanced, by all intelegent biengs and enlightened beings in the universe the swastika is held and lived by becuase any society who knows how the univese works knows that from the galexy to black and white holes to the power of all things circular–cyclical.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94803303@N00/
The swastika is a symbol of creation and power.
I was proud to wear my traditional Raelian symbol, with the 6 point star and swastika, to work as soon as I got it. I have the modified version tattooed on my arm. But the original version needs to be prevalent. Take the swastika back. People should see it as the ultimate disarming of neo-nazis.
Good idea Julia, many of us will like to use T.Shirts with the Swastika on his real concept…
I use my metal swastika always, even with my jude friends, they understand the real significance.
Go ahead with this as soon as possible!
I love the idea of reclaiming the swastika. I hate that the nazis used it for their sick purposes – I can’t have any Buddhist flag at home without people thinking I’m a nazi, that’s just not right.
Is there anything I, or the pleb, can do to support this reclamation? Some sort of petition? Buying t-shirts with quick-witted lines and swastikas on them?
Thanks ManWoman (your comment a while back)… I’ve change the link to the Save The Swastika page on your new site.
Thank you all for your continued contributions, folk.
Trueblue indigo – please do! And good luck with it. Let us know how it goes.
Chris Wharton – sorry that I missed your previous message. Sure, feel free to contact me (one of the site’s creators):
p {at} premasagar {dot} com
i am finishing a mansuscript which is aimed at the metaphysical audience. i will be propsing the new consciousness begin wearing the swasitka to reclaim it from the brutes who stole it. may i reference your site, possibly take info? while not the subject of the book itself, ia discussion of the history and symbology of the swastika will be included in the afterward of the book.
sat nam
true indigo
Is there anyway to speak to the organizers of this website?
Anyone?
Great site, good info. Indeed it is a shame that people only see swastika as a nazi symbol.
I totaly agree, it’s a graphic symbol like no other, older than the nazi history itself.
Let’s bring her again, let’s embrace the swastika and other cultures. Not reject them or forbid. Hasta!
I think its cool
We still have to be careful of how it is being used, though.
Anyone can take any symbol and turn it into anything they want. I can take a dollar sign and give me a month and it will be a symbol of hate. But just because it is America’s symbol of money, some b.s. website will want to take back “their” symbol. Why does it have to be a movement…
SWASTIKA…..SwAsTiKa…..Swastika……. PPL need to stop stressin ova da Swastika all the religons who use it know what it is and how that dumb son off a b***h Hitler disgraced it and used it wrongfully…so to my HINDUS, Buddhists, and Jains,,,,much luv dont let that @$$ let any 1 say anything bout our cultures……and it would be nice TO RECLAIM THE SWASTIKA….
Hello,
I am a graphic design student conducting a project on the Swastika. I was hoping I could pose some questions to the ‘Reclaim the Swastika’ organisers.
I would greatly appreciate any help.
Thank you
Hi. Why do you want to get it back? Where did it go? You can’t have lost it… Anyways it’s a symbol for pete’s sakes…
Its just a symbol, bring it back! Stop worrying about the past!
I feel that the Swastika will naturally reclaim its rightful place over the next few decades as Asia and especially India move to the centre stage of the world. The reality is that with economic strength comes the ability to influence cultural issues. The current guilt trip by the West over Hitler which demonises the Swastika is only sustainable while they have the economic upper hand.
it is a real shame that the nazis perverted this meaningful symbol. i say with utmost disappointment that in western eyes, this symbol will be tainted forever. i believe that buddhists, hindus, jains, and all people who identify with this symbol in a positive way will have to continue to remind ignorant people of its extremely GOOD origins. (and i’m so sorry about that…) the misuse of the swastika, the ultimate ancient symbol of goodness, is proof of hitler’s extreme hate.
LET US JOIN TOGETHER TO COMBAT THE WORLD’S HATRED THROUGH EDUCATION, LOVE, AND ACCEPTANCE.
Say i am a person from South Asia, Nepal. Hitler was totally screwed up his A$$ or was high when he choose this symbol and faced it against the mirror and turned it a little on the left. This symbol here in my country has been in use way before Hitler’s time which means Peace, love and its celebration. And the thing about Aryan, we are the real Aryan’s not the germans and Hitler wanted to create his people to be a supremebeing just like we are. That’s why he brain washed saying he was Aryan and used our symbol and misused it. I was in a correctional facility in the united states and i saw many skin heads with all the Nazi tattoos saying “white pride” on the back of their neck, it was really hillarious because if anyone of you skinheads read this then u ain’t no damm Aryan and u people don’t even know how the swastika is in its real Aryan form, Hitler really messed it up. I just wanna say that i am who i am and i don’t need to be german to be an Aryan, just go and read some history…………..
Well, the jews would happily dwell on it forever.Through it they can accumulate what is most important for the most of them in life – Power and control, represented in this case by money.Cultural reasons and the like mean nothing to them no matter what someone tells you or even more what one of them tells you, that’s why most people have never heard anything else about the swastika other than its coherence with the Nazis and everyone knows about that eh?
I indeed we should reclaim the swastika, in my religion it is a symbol dedicated to one of our gods.
Yes its sad what the germans did, but that is over 60 years ago and we cant dwell on it forever
The swastika is a very bad thing we don’t need it back
I just want to tell you that the swastika was used in most of europe during the bronzeage. In northern europe it was primary used as a solar symbol. I dont now the specifik mening of the symbol in the southern part of europe.
In skandinavia the symbol was mainly used as the reverse of the naziswastika. And it was a symbol of good luck no matter what the hindu tradition tells. As all solar symbols are. Simply becourse they are a part of the fertillity culture/religion.
you are all douche bags!!!
As well as ‘reclaiming the swastika,’ is it possible to go as far as reclaiming something of the actual Nazi swastika without in any way condoning the evils of right-wing Nazi realities and atrocities? It has been suggested that the Nazi swastika contains the initials for ‘Sieg Sozialisten,’ or ‘Socialist Victory,’ which many of us believe in. Is it possible that the symbol suggests early Nazi idealism subsequently swamped & hijacked by right-wing maneuvers such as the infamous ‘Night of the Long Knives’ and Hitler?
To “Justice” “383——
You are talking boloni and you don’t get it.
While I would not personaly where a swastika becuase of the crimes commited under it to condem the symbol is racist and deadly because every culture on the face of the earth has this symbol as one of freedom and life, not to mention the fact that every galexy is in fact a type of swastika, we are bound to it.
Now you do not like the symbol probably because you personaly have a great affinity with the Jewish people becuase of your “new Christian faith”….and I say ‘new’ because unitll Hitler pulled his shit and scared the crap out of Jews and Gentiles alike you Christians were the most sickly anti-Semites to be found on the surface of the earth—-”all Gods will I suppose”.
500 years ago you Christians made Muslims look like Jew lovers!
By the way ………. The star of David is also to be found…..side by side with the eternal swastika in every human community you can trace on the Globe.
Bless you.
I want to clear up one thing here without getting into the ‘why nazi’s killed jews’ topic.JEW’s are a race, Judaism is a religion.Although the two are often connected, they don’t necceserily have to be.Half or quarter jewish people sometimes take up judaism as a means to show and express their jewish side.I think if you compare a white and a black and then a white and a jew the white and the black have more in common psychologically.Some people might now disagree because they cant see past skin color.Skin color most of the time is simply an environmental adaptation.Among typical jewish mental lines are that they complain more about daily chores, they never ever admit they’re mistakes or negative sides(now remember the story about bush being a ‘strong’ leader and that’s what americans ‘want’), they have a natural lust for power, because they think they know exactly how things should be done, with which comes learnt ability to manipulate money and the minds of other people(propaganda).jews also have distinct physical characteristics like a long, hooked nose, curving bald forehead, deep eye sockets etc etc…
If you dont believe me, i have no proof about the psychic characteristics but ask and anthropologist about the physical characteristics.
I enjoyed reading your website and find it to be well-written and informative, but at the end of the day I still disagree with the basic premise (i.e., to “reclaim the swastika”).
As powerful and ancient is the pre-Nazi history of the symbol, I feel it still pales in comparison to the horrors that were committed by those who appropriated the swastika as their own. The swastika now has a new set of meanings and significance attached to it, and the Nazi’s use of it is important to remember (although certainly not to honour).
Yes, the symbol is an ironic one as well (because of the dissonance between the pre-Nazi and Nazi connotations). I think the proper context is to indeed compare the different meanings. Yet this won’t change the chill I feel when I see a picture of a 1916 women’s hockey team wearing the swastika on their chests … and I think history is well served by having both meanings attached.
Understand the swastika, yes; “reclaim” it, no.
383. justice — try to apply your logic to christianity and the cross… or communism and the star… or…
no one should be proud to wear a swastika symbol…. Nazi’s killed so many innocent jews just because they were a different reliegion.. they also killed them cause the jews were rich.. Swastika sybols are a DISCRACE… i’m a christian but the lord would not want this.. i am a christian and i’m and an american but i have friends and family members from my uncle’s side of the fmaily that are jews …. who cares what rligion they are as long as they aren’t a Nazi…. If u believe in the lord don’t ever display the swastika symbol ever again in ur life’s..
Hi, I’ve got a new website at http://www.manwoman.biz
It has lots of swastika info and friends of the swastika working to Save the Swastika.
Please change your link to me as the old site at manwoman.net isn’t working for me now.
thanks
ManWoman
While we all share this planet and are constantly reminded of how we should treat others (political correctness), I propose we all toughen up a bit. Who cares who uses any symbol for any reason? Get over it.
“That person called me a white devil and said I was fat and ugly’ – so what? The human race may or may not be getting more intelligent but we are definitely getting far too sensitive. It’s as if adults have regressed to childhood with all the hurt feelings. Buck up for christ’s sake. The real issue here is censorship which I find disgusting. In a modern free-thinking society express yourself as you feel. As a supporter of what science and history have undeniably shown, only the strong survive.
While a worthy symbol, at the end of the day it is still only a symbol: the finger pointing at the moon and not the moon itself.
It cannot really be reclaimed in Europe or the Americas because it was only a minor symbol in those places. Other symbols and ideas were more popular.
However with reclaiming the symbol sought, I would say that it will be possible to reclaim the symbol in the West around the time when Germans feel comfortable enough to commonly name their male children Adolph.
Of course the “swastika” has always been a symbol of religion and as a lucky charm dating back to the early part of recorded history, however the liberal use of it is still up for debate. Not to offend or defend anyone, but the historical significance that is permanently juxtaposed with the symbol has to always be accounted for.
I’ve read the different opinions that the public has to say about the dark history of symbols and also its enlightenment attributes. But to ignorantly glorify this symbol without a hesitant thought of its effects is as similarly decadent as whatever the Nazis had done. However, its not to say that doing the opposite, like banning its existence from society would be a wise choice.
I have a friend who is an artist, who was really interested in the overall reaction to the swastika. So as a fantastic painter, he created beautiful paintings of the symbol; some with flowers surrounding it or different sceneries that would evoke beautiful memories. However, even with the beautiful content surrounding the symbol, the swastika still created riveting feelings of disgust due to its most popular association.
I think if society as a collective whole extends the courtesy of acknowledging the “swastika’s” symbolic significance in a historical prospective for the rest of the world, apart from the Nazi uses of it. And if we were slow to constrict ourselves from truth, even if it’s not pretty, history wouldn’t repeat itself so much. The idea of a world of free-thinkers is too idealistic, so as a free thinker, we must compromise with the rest of the world.
I would have to prize logic over religion in a certain and perhaps primary light; but I still think that the symbolism of the swastika is beautiful.
The general question was posed somewhere on this site: “Why did the Third Reich fall when it had such a symbol as it’s ‘guiding star’?” I would like to point out the fact that Adolf Hitler and ultimately his Reich set off in an endeavor to accomplish something great; to unify the world, to strengthen the working class, and to glorify humanity. I believe we all know that something went horribly wrong; but as an ode to the constants which remain, the cause has not been lost. The fact that some try to find fulfillment in an inappropriate and unfulfilling manner does not change the fact that fulfillment is possible to discover.
Let us raise the socialist banner of the working class and the swastika once more; let us correct that which was damaged and renew that which was lost.
all religion divides humanity.
crosses have been used to kill people for thousands of years yet we still see them hanging everywhere, Reclaim the swastika
Swastika is greater than Hitler. Just because the devil wears a Cross would it make the Cross any less divine?
Nuestro único interés como humanos es el rescate de un bello sÃmbolo, jamás el de resucitar ideas racistas como las de los nazis. Personalmente porto mi svastika todos los dÃas y en todas partes como una manera de mostrar a los demás que se trata de un sÃmbolo humanÃstico, no de una marca de fábrica nazi. Gracias por hacer este sitio.
Hernán.
thank you thank you for making this … i am a persian (therefore aryan) who is glad to see this up…..well done
Actually, you don’t know what people is more ignorant, the ones who use the swastika for wrong nazi ideas or the others that against them, cross out that ancient symbol.
I thank you for your website. I hate when people ignorantly assume the swastika was a nazi invention. Thank you for showing the truth. I want to find a shirt with the swatika on it so I can inform people on the true meaning of it.
@anti-fascist – The views of site readers hardly ever seem to be the views of the creators of this website (of which I am one). Nazi guerilla marketing? Quite the opposite!
I am often surprised by the level of racist and bigoted views that some people seem to hold. No, I don’t feel at home with such comments. But I don’t delete them, unless they become really extreme or off-topic.
However, people often write in with truly inspiring, forward-thinking comments. And sometimes people mention that they have been educated and positively affected by the information here. So, that makes the effort all worthwhile.
Come on forward-thinkers, share your views!
Wow.
Can the content of this website be explained by sheer ignorance? Or is it Nazi guerilla marketing?
Whatever, the strongly anti-Semitic content of a major part of the replies posted here speaks for itself. Tell me, do you feel at home in such company?
I rest assured that your absolutely laughable initiative will have no political impact to speak of. Otherwise, it would be quite unsettling …
jews are an ignorant race .if lsrael is where jesus came from how come they act like savages.no respect
What an idiotic waste of time. Do you truly not have anything better to do?
Congratulations on a neat website which presents your case clearly. A great repository for information and views on this topic.
I’ve included a link to a recent post on my blog in which I’ve created a swastika using the letter J. A little off the beaten track but could be added to your collection.
Best wishes with the site and the swastika.
jeff pagel
Hell is a Christian invention, so you are probably looking forward to wind up there.
Jews are like censer and the Swastika don’t belong to them. Even though the Vikings used the Swastika a thousand years ago we prefer the sun wheel as a symbol of unity.
As Christmas is a bastardisation of the time on the sun Wheel the shortest day of the year and held in honour of the winter Solstice, have nice Yule celebration.
Odin is great and long live the Germanic People.
Stop this bullshit and read the other side of the history and not the history of the conqueror. The Jews won the war and it is history like they want you to see it. They love that the Goi’s (cattle)feel sorry, it has to be kept alive. Holocaust has become and industry that keeps them in command.
Read the Talmud!!!!!!
Don’t blame it on Hitler and the Germanic people.
ummm… yeah right if anyone deserves to adopt a swaztika it is the american government for the simple fact that they are the new nazi party anyway…
As an educator, I feel the only option is to teach the world all about the Swastika. If we don’t, people will only attribute this symbol to Hitler and the Holocaust.
Hitler managed to taint and destroy this historical and positive symbol, and we must show the world what the Swastika really is.
Will we let this treasured symbol remain in the dark forever? Or will we turn darkness into light?
What is so special about symbols anyway?
People have died for them, because of them, babies have been burned alive (Holocaust) and earlier in History Christian babies have been spit-roasted by other Christians because of them (Crusades).
I doubt there would be any member of the Jewish community would want to revitalise something that represents the wholesale murder of their people.
Ultimately, I think that it is an indifferent perspective that suggests that the swastika should be reinstated. If you think for more than a minute with any human feeling what it would have been like to have been in the shoes of those whoe suffered under this ‘symbol’ you wouldn’t think for the rest of eternity on the possibilities of using it.
I hope this perspective challenges people today. even though it is not unique.
lisen,hitler did not “steal” the swastika,it is in the position that u ppl have it a greek symbol of peace,hitler’s was and ALWAYS WILL BE a sybol of nazism,it is pointed right and tuned at a 45 dagree angle,wich is not the greek swastika,get ur shit straight,u keep urs an leave ours alone!
if you all see this as a problem then post here with a signature so that all people can know how many people feel this way http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reclaming-the-swasika/signatures.html
There was a company that produced gas valves with a swastika as their logo. The ones I saw were taken out of an old house that was built around 1900 in Texas. Who knows when the gas valves were installed, of course. I would bet that the logo was changed after Hitler adopted the swastika.
The swastika is a beautiful symbol that got a bad rap. It is a pretty design that can be reproduced easily by any child. I really like the stonework “around Manchester Central Library, UK. Built 1930-4.” here:
reclaimtheswastika.com/photos/
I look forward to having a child see a swastika and saying “That’s nice! I want to draw that!” and no one getting upset. It may take a while yet.
why are so many people saying bad words in these e-mails???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nazis and Hitler were not evil. I in no way endorse their actions, nor do I have political beliefs in keeping with theirs. I am not condoning their atrocities, nor do I like them. Indeed, I say this because it is so very important to remember that they were not evil in order to stop their evil actions being emulated by others. I am going to ignore the latter stages of his life, when the Führer was clearly going insane, and focus on the period around 1935-1942.
The atrocities which occurred, and the fact that they were allowed to occur by both the people of Germany and the other peoples of the world, is very sad.
Things got well out of hand and somehow this happened without too many persons realising the way it was all heading.
Saying Hitler was ‘evil’ or the Nazi movement is ‘evil’ is a device to absolve us of guilt by association. Men did these things. Enough men that they cannot all have been caught up in a mass villainy.
It is horrendous and the acts were barbarous, but to write it off as ‘evil’ without considering what the causes were and why it happened makes it all to easy for the same thing to happen again.
Condemn the atrocities (I know I do) but look at them as an example of what villainy man is capable of and use them as a tool to prevent recurrence.
WWII is not a fairy tale, using the swastika is not an evil talisman. The answer is to remember the disaster, work towards repairing the damage (which is nearly done, as time has past) and strive never to allow this to happen again.
Shouting at symbols is just pointless. Banning it and never using it outside a neo-nazi context merely adds weight to the symbol. The more we treat it as a pretty shape, the sillier the already pretty daft neo-nazis will look.
Also, Hitler had beautiful legs (/Monty Python)
why should religions suffer because of one persons misleading inappropriate use of a symbol.
(What if some one did the same thing with a smile faced flag would no one smile any more for fear of upsetting someone)
would Walmart have to change the advertisement for fear of being classed with a group of villans
would you really scum to act of stereotyping
By the way ( All thing stated on this site are fact and if you are to childish to realize it then don’t post)
Swastika representing whilrling motion ie the crircumference keeps changing while its center remains fixed, is an ancient Hindu sanskrit symbol to mean ” the entire universe(-ie entire creation with all its contents, Bhramanda ) is ever changing but the substratum or source ie God or creator ever remains unchnged and unaffected. This the esoteric meaning of the exoteric symbol.
Just because the Nazi hijacked it, does not mean it should be ” banned ”.The German goverment should not resort to hide their guilt of mass human destruction by the Nazi by wanting to band this auspicious symbol.
Swastika representing whilrling motion ie the crircumference keeps chnging while its center remains fixed, is an ancient Hindu sanskrit symbolizing ” the entire universes(-ie entire creation with all its contents, Bhramanda ) is ever changing but the substratum or source ie God or creator, of the creation ever remains unchnged and unaffected. This the esotoric meaning of the extotreic symbol.
Jusr because the Nazi hijacked it, does not mean it should be ” banned ”.The German goverment should not resort to this to hide their guilt of mass human destruction by the Nazi !!!
THIS IS BULL SHIT!!!!!!!@
The Swastika is a very nice symbol endeed… Many people here used as a symbol of the ancient mesoamerican knowledge.
I think the swastika symbolises red yellow black and white and north south east and west.People all of the same colour were sent out in four directons originaly from the same land which is now under water slowly we all changed colour according to the environment..The reds were to learn about the earth and animals the yellows to learn about air blacks water and whites fire.We then were to meet up again and share our knowledge.Unfortunately it has all gone wrong the negative has prevailed and we are all up shit creek without a paddle so there.We are an alien experiment the budhists call them the friendly ghosts.You will see images of these beings in ancient tibetan art.They are small and look like slanty eyed big headed insectoids.
I strongly believe in freedom of speech and that there is no reason that it should be a crime to dispaly a swastika at all. A lot of religions use it and even if some whacko wants to display it for his belief in the nazis, that’s his say. People all over the world say things we don’t like. We have to live with it. Jews say they don’t believe inb Jesus so lets ban the star of david etc….
I find it interesting that an Acharya is so concerned with a symbol as to run this website and devote such time to it. Regardless of it’s perceived significance (simply a belief or thought after all even if invested with energy because of all the thoughts devoted to it over historical time)) surely it is more important to spend time being in the moment with what is – rather than in the past (no matter how controversial).
All thing conserdered you if you ban a single symbol in any way shap or from then you limit your self in a sence that you now have an opening that allow yourseslf to futher limations. Like what if the cross, star of david, Hold trinity, and the 9 sided start were to be band? what then? Who is to blame for those that use and abuse symbols what happen now. (i would like to say that this is a geat site and that i as a human IN THE HUMAN RACE SUPPORT THIS SITE AND ALL IT EMBODYS
i feel that cuz one eviel regime used a symbol to broadcast thier message we should not drop it look at it’s history it is a great and good meaning symbol so pretty much if i draw a smiley face on a flag and do messed up shit you’ll all dog on the smiley Hmmmmmmmmm?
Reclaim “Heil” as well. “Heil” means “good luck”.
Hello, I have a 1930′ish swastika pin, it’s attached to a card that says it’s for good luck for the month of January. What is it worth? I can send a photo of it…thanks
Hi Bernt!
Actually, I see it not as a purpose of “indoctrination” or any kind of politics that is moving for amputation of freedom o’ speech. Course, Brazil is not a so-democratic country (as media pressures up every time it seems to be profitful, and so does the great businessmen, multinational enterprise groups, speculative capital holdings, etc). But it is significative that here is allowed to use the symbols exactly in the purpose this site is claiming for. Well, this country is not the most perfect idea of good government in the world, but in one single point we achieved one goal that is remarkable – we do not allow intollerance based in any kind of religious manifestation. Here we see living aside (and neighbouring, having friendships for lives) jews and muslims, what can I say more…? So…we welcome you all, despite your beliefs (except, of course, the evil ones…nazis included here). In your person, receive all the Norwegians my regards, and cheers!
Niila, came to Mexico and here we show you the real significance of the Swastika…
Did you know that Baba said that the verticle line of the swastika represents Shiva and the horizontal line represents Shakti?
Niila Keshava
Lizandro !
Every time that you make something illegal you run the risk of amputating the democracy. Free speech is a important corner stone that in Brazil has been crucified due to bad concision and indoctrination. There are still countries in the world that does not cave in for Jewish pressure to ban the swastika.
Norway is one.
Nice and enlightening site about the matter.
A little contribution for the debate… here in Brazil, the use of swastika for nazi-propaganda is a crime. In fact, the federal law # 7.716, dated jan. 5, 1989 (altered by federal law # 9.459, dated may 13 1997), describes the criminal type and penalty. It says: :
“§ 1º – Fabricar, comercializar, distribuir ou veicular sÃmbolos, emblemas, ornamentos, distintivos ou propaganda que utilizem a cruz suástica ou gamada, para fins de divulgação do nazismo.
Pena: reclusão de dois a cinco anos e multa.”
Translated:
1st § – To manufacture, vend, distribute or stamp symbols, emblems, ornaments, badges or propaganda using the swastika or gammadia (void) cross, for nazi doctrine divulgation purposes.
Penalty: two to five years inprisonment and fine.
As far as my studies let go (I am a Post-Graduate in Law), the “esprit de loi” involved in it is obviously to criminally prosecute and penalize JUST the irregular and evil use of the swastika and gammadia (void) cross. So far, the only notices of prosecution and penalties under this legal instrument reports to neo-nazi groups and related personal. It’s one of the really rare cases in what the brazilian legislators seem to act rationally, whatever…
Last, a thing to wonder about:
When you deal with (and often fight) a SYMBOL and NOT an IDEA, it’s obvious you are up to repeat History and its errors.
HI!
There’s one thing. The nazis used the swastika, but it was a turned sideways a bit. Like the star that satanist use, it’s turned sideways, or downwards, some may notice.
So the swastika that Hindus and Buddhists use is a bit different. It’s a small difference, yet the meaning is quite the opposite. One simbolizes destruction while other simbolises the highest goal of one’s spiritual efforts.
Take care
The symbol of the swastika is a very empowering symbol.The other day i had it drawn on my hand inorder to do better in general life but once 2 other kids and a teacher saw it i was forced to wash it off if anyone would like to help me get the right to wear the swastica back in school E-mail me at scottishslug@yahoo.com label the subject swastika and say why it should be able to be worn in school. Anyone who does this has my greatest thanks.
It cannot be said enough, and as many others before me I shall say it too!
The Swastika is a beautiful, perfect symbol that represents love and prosparity and other good emotions and thoughts. Why should such a symbol be banned? Because it reminds us of the tragedy that took over Europe more than sixty years ago? And why should we want to forget? Shouldn’t we be confronted with the mistakes of the past every day?
And what of the religions that still use it this day? In India, it hangs over every door! It’s just the way people look at it, one sees the beauty, the other only sees the bad side. But that is not the symbol’s fault. Should the symbol be punished? I myself am a great admirer of the swastika, for aesthetics it is perfect, it’s a circle of continuity. One should not associate it with fascism in any way.
The Swastika is ours!
I find it amazing that a simple symbol, a doodle if you will, can have so much power over so many people. Of course we do tend to define ourselves by symbols. Yes, we are an enlightened species.
So what if the Nazis used it as a symbol. They wore shoes and clothing too. Maybe we should ban those.
I once read somewhere that people in the dark ages didn’t bathe for a thousand years because the Romans did. Hmmm. See how far we’ve come.
May the EU will now start a campaign to get the Christian Cross banned because the Klu Klux Klan used it as their symbol ? No I didn’t hink so.
Just shows the complete lack of cultural awareness of the EU.
Nice Site.
I’m Portuguese. Here in Portugal there are some pre-WW2 institutions with swastikas all over the place.
BANNING SWASTIKAS IS LIKE SAYING HITLER HAS BOUGHT IT AS THE NAZIS TRADEMARK!
Nazis can’t ever be allowed to steal this symbol from mankind. Share the beautiful swastikas all around the world!
ConÃmbriga Roman Ruins, Condeixa, Portugal
Image: http://viajar.clix.pt/fotos/ffoto.php?f=500&l=500
Official Site: http://www.conimbriga.pt/index_en.html
Los raelianos están locos… su lider es un farsante.
y, los que sabemos de simbologìa detestamos su uso de la Swastika. Schuss!!!
Having a bad reaction to a swastika says more about the viewer than the swastika. Why not just look at it until the thoughts and feelings subside? Don’t let your concepts get the best of you!
Tough job ahead of you…
like bringing back into fashion the Olympic salute and the surname Adolf
Gook Luck, you need it.
Haha! Let’s forbid fivecornered star! ‘coz USSR killed more people than Third Reich. So they are evil too. And their symbol should be forbidden
Or, maybe, we should forgot the name of Germany?
Or, maybe, black eagle should be cleared from our memories?
Who gives a shit?
The swastica is the symbol of infinity. As it is above, is below and all is cyclic ! It has been used since the bigining of times by all cultures and countries. If the swastica must be destroyed because of the criminals who used it. Then the Cross should too!! As it has been used in worse manners than the Swastica.
We must reclaim the Swastica’s meaning!
http://WWW.RAEL.ORG
What they took back does not have to be returned.!
Well, all I can say is that the Nazis did not have much of imagination.
Good initiative. Its about time the nazis hand over the last piece of goods they stole. The swastika must be returned.
Widsel!
You must be Jewish, read the thruth about what happened.
Who declered war against germany in 1933?
Sooner or later you will commit the ultimate crime and ………………………that is the end of this parasite rase.
Reagd Voltare, Luther and so on and so on.
the suncross and the svastika shall be returned!
kamlesh !
How come the Vikings in Norway was using the Swastika and the sunwheal over 1000 years ago?
thanks to everyone who runs this site
“Swastika” is from india and you can see at all hindu temple. swastika means good luck blessing to your life path, to your good work. if you want to know more about it, try to learn Sanskrit language or go to history of swastika.
tanks to everyone who participate and give their response.
The Swastika building is a reminder of the swastika’s use in the USA’s history in Military Socialism. http://rexcurry.net/military-socialism-militarism-socialist-complex.html
The swastika was used by socialists in the USA to support Military Socialism and it was used as alphabetical symbolism of meshed S-letters for “Socialism.” Socialists in the USA used it for decades before it was adopted by the militaristic National Socialist German Workers Party.
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
Those discoveries are the work of the historian Dr. Rex Curry (author of Pledge of Allegiance Secrets). It should be noted that the building’s swastika symbol is oriented horizontal to the adjoining street, yet oriented with north (up) at the top in the style of the Nazi flag.
The sad story is also related to the socialist origins of the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html
One of the first and loudest critics of the Swastika Building was Dave vonKleist, host of a Missouri-based radio-talk show, The Power Hour. In spring 2006, he began writing military officials, including then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld about the Navy’s Coronado Seabees Barracks, shown in this photo.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-building-coronado-seabees4L-shapes1960.jpg
Pledge of Allegiance pictures http://rexcurry.net/nazi%20salute%208.jpg
and Swastikas pictures http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg
expose shocking secrets about American history.
Socialists in the USA originated the Nazi salute, robotic group-chanting to flags, Nazism, flag fetishism, and the modern swastika as “S” symbolism for “Socialism.” http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
Much of that history is the history of the Pledge Of Allegiance. A new documentary video movie exposes the shocking facts on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4
Those historical facts explain the enormous size and scope of government today, and the USA’s growing police state. They are reasons for massive reductions in government, taxation, spending and socialism.
The “Nazi salute” is more accurately called the “American salute” as it was created and popularized by national socialists in the USA. It was the early salute of the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge was written by Francis Bellamy. http://rexcurry.net/pledgetragedy.html
The original Pledge of Allegiance began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the flag. It was the origin of the stiff-arm salute adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
Francis Bellamy and his cousin Edward Bellamy called their dogma “Military Socialism.” The military salute is a sign of submission to a superior officer / commanding officer (in this case the flag / government) whose orders must be obeyed without question. http://rexcurry.net/1n1.gif
Francis Bellamy was cousin and cohort of Edward Bellamy. http://rexcurry.net/pledgebackward.html
Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy were self-proclaimed socialists in the Nationalism movement and they promoted military socialism.
They wanted the government to take over education and use it to spread their worship of government. When the government granted their wish, the government’s schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official policy. The official racism and segregation was a bad example three decades before the National Socialist German Workers Party, and decades afterward.
The Pledge was mandated by law in government schools for three decades before, and through, the creation of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. http://rexcurry.net/bellamy-edward-karl-marx.html
Many people do not know that the term “Nazi” means “National Socialist German Workers’ Party.” Members of the horrid group did not call themselves Nazis. In that sense, there was no Nazi Party. They also did not call themselves Fascists. They called themselves socialists, just as their name indicates.
i am jewish, and part of my family died in the holocaust… as one who was born and raised in Russia, off course Swastik (as it is correctly pronounced in sanskrit by the way) was mostly a Nazi symbol for me , even though i have heard it was an ancient symbol for sun and prosperity.
When i went to India in 1998 I realized that swastik was just everywhere- on the temples, on the rickshaws, on the doors of the houses, on the cards along with Ganesh….everywhere!!! And slowly slowly it became totally normal for me- to see swastik and not to feel bad about it…
I feel sad about that holy symbol being corrupted by Nazis and giving it such a bad connotation in Europe and US. People should read and see things, open their heart and mind and realize that this beautiful symbol was just misused. Nevertheless…i guess it will take a long time to rehabilitate the swastik. The memory of the second world war is too fresh and intense. yana
The Swastika has been corrupted, and for the next few generations, it will remain a symbol of evil and destruction. Only when the memory of the Nazis has faded, and those affected (and their offspring) have died out, will it have a chance to be reclaimed as the spiritual symbol it has been for so many thousands of years.
This is unfortunate, but unavoidable. I do not believe there is anything that can be done to hasten this process or to make it any easier. I believe that only time can ultimately heal this injury.
Viva la vida! Go for it pal! All the way with you!
I am of Indian origin and wear my religious symbol every day (swastika within the six pointed star that represents infinity according to the Raelian Phlosophy). It is a symbol handed down to us from our original Creators, the Elohim). I am very proud to wear it and when people comment about Nazism, I invite them to take to educate themselves first! My symbol reminds me about Infiniy and Love and I will never permit others to sully its meaning with their ignorrance. For those who care about the swastika, takea stand for its positive meaning.
Thank you.
I love you
Vell Deb, than you need to read the history over again and skip all the indoctrination that we have been served since WW II. Not everyboddy beleaved the Jewish bible, it is mostly plagiats from older sivilisations and made to fitt the power hungry churches and synagoges.
It is all about Power and deseption.
The Swastika and the Sunwheel is a aturnal symbol that will not disapare..
No Bernt, I am not kidding…d
deb you must be kidding!!!
Well said Phil. Thank You for your knowledge and your boldness to share. This powerful symbol does not have a “negative”, nothing does, only people have the ability to allow the “negative” to prosper. The positive people of this planet need to use this symol more now than ever to counteract this. This symbol should represent a victory for the Jewish people if they choose to allow it to. If place a six pointed star around the swastika and then meditate on the lines of the entire shape you will feel and extreme sence of harmony and well being. The Christian cross represents this to Christians. I was raised Christian as a child. I came to my sences in my early 30′s and now this symbol means only to me what is is…a human torture devise that represents the death of thousands of people including Jesus. Thank you for your time ♥
i do not agree with this you are going to heck
Wow, I just learned there is a negative and a positive swastika. In Taiwan, where Buddhism and Taoism is the main religion, I see a lot of swastikas going the other way – meaning the negative way. I wonder if this was done to distinct themselves from the misuse of the positive swastika by the Nazis.
I come from a Buddhist family and in funerals we would put up symbols of the swastika. I have American friends who were shocked to see that in pictures and I, without knowing there was a difference between the negative and positive swastikas, tell them the sign is flipped so it’s not the same as the Nazis. But now that I realize that there is a difference it is indeed sad how a symbol of luck has been brutally misused to resemble murder.
I hope that part of history will fade with the future generations although I am sure it won’t erase the pain experienced by the victims of World War II.
I fully agree Phil, xtianaty as followers of the Jews are diminishing and more and more people are converting to Odenism. The Jews are desperately trying to hold on to the power that the HoloWcaust gave them by moving friendly Xristans to implement legislation that limits the free speech.
I am wearing my Thor’s hammer with pride.
The entire European/North American bias against the Swastika is quite painful to me. Generally, I am of no particular faith, but have studied all the major Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism Shinto and Bon. My heritage is Danish/English, and it is undeniable that I feel close to the presence of ‘The Old Ones’. In this regard, I consider the Swastika, Runes and other magical symbols very close to my heart, my being. I fully realize the horror some people feel when they see some of these symbols, the Swastika in particular, because of the warped and perverse misuse of these symbols by bourgeois opportunistic politicians in the 1930s and 40s, namely the NSDAP.
How is it that a symbol as old as the human race apparently, can be negated by 15 years of human history? For that matter, the crucifix of the Xtians has probably inspired at least as many atrocities over the centuries and it is ‘revered’ (by some, not me)
I regularly wear around my neck a Mjolnir (Thor’s Hammer) a bent arm Swastika and an Ingwaz Rune.
All these together make a statement, and give me inner strength. If anyone says anything, I engage them immediately in conversation, challenging their notions if contradictory, sometimes I find friends this way. I will never stop championing the reinstatement of the oldest and most sacred of all symbols…..The Swastika.
We in India always knew Swastika as a holy and spiritual symbol.I was shocked when my collegues in US were surprised when we had swastikas in our work area.It is so amazing how one person could change the whole meaning of a symbol.People need more visibility to the history and facts and take things in a positive way.We should not encourage people who misuse any thing..
Positive people see it in a positive light. Negative people live in other people’s words. Linked, my personal signature inspired by the swastica, for my website..
http://www.themickey.com/TM.htm
Yours,
Peter McCabe
Artist
ps. look for the, bare necessities.
Fortunately there is still some swastika imagery that survives; I got a Navajo bracelet yesterday, probably from the 1930s; swastikas were common adornment that were replaced by Christian crosses after 1933.
You can wear you Fylfot proudly with pride. Start reading more about the Germanic use of the Swastika other than the propaganda you have been served and you will find another side of history that the British and the Americans have no reason to be proud of.
Remember that Judea declared war on Germany in 1933!!!!!
Hǽl ábéodan,
As a proud Englishman of strong Anglo-Saxon decent (not that I am without other blood – Dutch, Irish, Gypsy), and a folloewr of Fyrnsidu faith, I’m in full support of clensing the Fylfot of it’s perverted Nazi use.
It’s increadibly annoying on my part, as I feel that I cannot walk down the street wearing a symbol of good luck, without being branded as something I’m not (Nazi) and being spat on – if not dragged under a bridge and beaten.
It’s time that we take the symbol (Fylfot, Swastika, however you call it) and use it in it’s original context. Everyone up for the idea should go out and buy a pendant of the symbol and wear it proudly and openly – correcting anyone’s foolish mistakes about your political viewpoints.
Was hǽl
En muchos edificios mexicanos hay decoraciones con swastikas… es un signo bastante común en nuestro paÃs. Para los antiguos pueblos mesoamèricanos la swastika es básicamente un signo astronómico.
This page is going in sircels, the swastika means aperently the same for people around the world. For Norwegians it is a part of the Viking heritage. For some of us today it is a symbol of fight against the Jews and the Zionists.
the swastika represents hinduism and german heathenry i think it shoudnt be harmed by nazi untermenhcen
History will eventualy repeat itself, the sun wheel is dayly beeing used here. Christianaty will sooner or later be abolished and the Jews miscredited for all theevil they have coused.
Basque Nationalism used the Swastika up to the Spanish Civil War (1936-39). It was discarded in order to avoid any misunderstanding with Nazism (Hitler´s Germany backed up the Francoist coup against the Second Republic). The Basque Nationalist Swastika, though, appears on some local Republican documents early in the war…together with the stamps of Leftish parties & trade unions.
Unfortunately a lot of history was also lost in Germany due to the unnecessary carpet bombing of civilian targets in the end of the war.
The tomb of a Bishop of Coventry has a ‘relief’ of him over the grave. His Mitre (Bishop’s hat) has a band decorated with Swastikas. Ironically this is one of the only things left intact after Coventry Cathedral (in England) was bombed…by the Third Reich!
Swastika represents jivanchakra (wheel of life) in Hinduism…those who abhor it might have still not understood its concept correctly. They need to open their eyes to Truth…..
The oldest swastika know in the world is the maya swastika reproduced on the Uxmal city in Yucatán… that was a copy of the Loltún estela that means the ecuation of the world creation… is a double swastika and is than ancient like the T’uulakal Kin… 25,000 year ago.
Lang lebing und vohlstand!!!
Nóohoch Kúuxtal yetel Aakil Bel…
H.Neuhaus. Heil!
Swastika ( Fylfot)
The swastika is a sanskrit word composed of “SU”, meaning “good” and “asti” meaning “being”, with thge suffux “ka” and is equivalent to “It is well” or “So be it”.The swastika is one of the most ancirent and sacred of the Aryan symbols dating back back before 6,000 BCE, discovered in earliest known archeological findings. It is the sign of the suns’s strenght, as the unstoppable whirling migfht of will. The round version is known as the sunwheel swastika. The clockwise motion represent the conscious self, counter-clock-wice represents the unconscious self. The swastika symbol representing the Aryan man.
The symbol will forever be a symbol of hait against the Jewish and Sionist evel trying to destroy the Aryans.
On the microsoft symbol, it is interesting to note that the orientation is not the S-letter orientation that was used by German socialists, so perhaps the law would not apply to it. As to the orientation, it is interesting also how the usual comment about the symbol only addresses whether the symbol points left or right, but never makes note of the fact that the German socialists oriented it 45 degrees from the horizontal, and that they did so to highlight the S-letters for the dogma of the National Socialist German Workers Party. They were using it in a very specific way and for a very specific meaning.
A new documentary video movie about the topic is on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4
and here http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-rexcurrydotnet.wmv
and on google video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5557748653154009373&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4377628546479871943
American socialists bear some blame for the notorious symbol used by the National Socialist German Workers Party on its flag. Edward Bellamy worked with the Theosophical Society, another socialist group, and during that time the Theosophical Society used the symbol adopted later by German National Socialists. It is commonly called a swastika, although German socialists called it a Hakenkreuz (hooked cross).
http://rexcurry.net/adolf-hitler-nazism-fascism-third-reich-swastika2.jpg
Although an ancient symbol, the swastika was altered for use as overlapping S-letters for ‘socialism.’ It was turned 45 degrees from the horizontal and was oriented in the S-direction to highlight the overlapping S-letters for “socialism.” Similar alphabetic symbolism was used in the SS division and similar symbolism is still visible today, every day, on the streets as Volkswagen logos.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg
In addition to the notorious symbol, American socialists also bear some blame for the notorious stiff-arm salute to the Nazi symbol flag (the swastika). The USA’s Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the stiff-armed salute adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis). For more information visit RexCurry.net, the site that archives the discoveries of the noted historian Dr. Rex Curry, author of the book “Pledge of Allegiance Secrets.”
http://rexcurry.net/i-pledge-allegiance-to-the-flag2.jpg
A new documentary video movie exposes the shocking facts on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4
and here http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-rexcurrydotnet.wmv
and on google video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5557748653154009373&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4377628546479871943
The original Pledge began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the flag. In practice the second gesture was performed palm down. Thus, the Nazi salute is actually the “American salute” and evolved from the military salute extended.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance.jpg
The Pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy. Francis was cousin to Edward Bellamy, author of an international bestseller in 1888 that launched the nationalism movement. Edward’s book was translated into every major language, including German. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed socialists in the Nationalism movement and they promoted military socialism.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. When the government granted their wish, the government’s schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official policy. Government schools also forced robotic chanting to flags. All of that behavior even outlasted German National Socialism (or Nazism, although German National Socialists did not call themselves Nazis, they called themselves Socialists and National Socialists).
The Bellamy dogma influenced socialists in the countries of the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): ~60 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million slaughtered under the People’s Republic of China; ~20 million slaughtered under the National Socialist German Workers Party.
As part of the anti libertarian practice, people were persecuted for refusing to perform the straight-arm salute and mechanical chanting to the national flag. That happened at the same time in the USA and in Germany.
The Pledge’s early right-arm salute was not an ancient Roman salute. The ancient Roman salute is a myth. Professor Curry showed that the ‘ancient Roman salute’ myth came from the Pledge.
Take the Pledge not to Pledge. Stop kissing the government’s butt every morning. Remove the pledge from the flag. Remove flags from schools. Remove schools from government.
For more information visit the site that archives the work of the nation’s leading authority on the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://rexcurry.net
The Sunwheel as used by the Wikings where used as far back as in Babylon and by the Sumerians.
Reff: Zichin-Earth Cronicals.
Archaeological finds in Ukraine prove that the swastika was in use there 10,000 years ago.
“The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle whose main beneficiaries are the state of Israel and international Zionism and whose main victims are the German people – but not their leaders – and the Palestinian people in their entirety.â€
Bernardo Casarin: tienes razón en lo de la profanación, un sÃmbolo como la swastika no merece lo que le hicieron los nazis.
Shalom!
Live long and prosper.
ignorance is the break on the movement of life and love. i think, if we keep runnung away we will forever be chased by our fears
Los nazis sólo desprestigiaron la suástica, entre los pueblos mesoamericanos fue un sÃmbolo astronómico muy valioso y muchos montañistas en América la usamos como una muestra de respeto a nuestros ancestros, arios y americanos. ¡Salud!
The bravery of the german soldiers was uncuestionable, but the crimes of the nazis was a fact… The SS Waffen was brave in battle, but the others the Algemaine was criminals… they dont deserve the swastika.
To you all out there who wonder why the Swastika was miscredited you should look for the thruth and djudge the rigt people and not the Germans whom tried to brake Zionism .
http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm
And the indoctrination goes on,the gas chambers that you can see in Auswich today was not made as is by the Germans .
Please visit:
http://www.ihr.org
maby if you read the evidence of the thruth you will understand the lies created after the war to enable the formation of Israel and create the largest black male in human history..
As a matter of tactic, the first step to reclaim the Swastika is appropriate labeling.
Case in point is “Pro Choice” and “Pro Life”. In this case the groups have clearly taken the initiative to define themselves and implictly the opposing camp.
I would suggest Hindus, Buddhist etc start referring to there own swastika as “The Swastika” while insist everyone refer to the hated 45 degree version version as “Nazi Swastika” only. This will point
people to probe further into this and be aware of the difference in historical use physical design (Nazi Swastika is rotated 45 degree version of The Swastika)
Many times a critical element of such opinion wars is the labelling.
Labeling tactics are important in my view..There is a ongoing struggle regarding the attempt to relabel the Nazi death camps..
Here is a example of Labeling being used as a tactic in a opinion war
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4863026.stm
http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,21984315-401,00.html
The Germans did not put a bad name on the Swastika, that was done by the Jews and the Zionists after the war. The Germans where brave and tried to save Europe from the Zionists.
We will never forget the brave German soldiers in the Wehrmacht and the SS for their sacrifice.
The Swastika will be honored as a symbol of struggle against evil.
you will find that you have been missinformed,Nazi germany has been given a bad name by all the american and jewish propaganda.I suggest you look deep within the fine print and the truth shall be found.The german army served thier country with pride and honour and lets not forget those brave souls who had fallen in battle against the invasion of aliied forces.
Because the nazi’s abused the swastika, it has become a symbol of racism and hate. But there is no other culture, people, religion etc. that used the swastika for bad intentions. So search at google for “swastika” and also type “good luck” , then you will find something complete different!
Yug patel, The Swastika started it’s first appearance in India. The Swastika was mainly for the Buddhist and Hindi religions. And later bacame a world wide symbol of good luck. The Native Americans used it to symbolize the cycle of life. I don’t know if or how often the indians use the Swastika. They might have stopped using it because of the Nazis. Thanks for asking Yug Patel!
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hey guys me n my friend got in 2 an argument bout who invented the swastika n who it was stolen from n me being an indian always belived its was the indians but i want to find out 4 sure who made it i realize its universal but there has 2 b some one who made it n 4 what religion? pls help me out
Hey dudes! I’m interested on the solar symbol of the Swastika, want to share with me?
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this is not nazism
http://reclaimtheswastika.com
My little bit of ascii art
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You forgot to mention, the Swastika appears in many cultures in Africa and South America, too.
Truly a universal symbol!
http://www.swastika-info.com/en/worldwide.php
Thanks Petri for your excellent comment and explanation regarding swastika in Finnish airforce, and also the reason for siding with Nazis to get their land back that was taken by Soviet Union. I also agree that the Stalin dictatorship was one of the most brutal regimes this world has ever witnessed. There is a tradition in India that believes that the day Stalin mysteriously died,he was instructing his generals to launch a full military attack on India. An elevated and all knowing Guru was fully aware of Stalin’s plans and “intervened”… It is believed he actually died on 28th February, not March 5th as is officially reported. One day this mystery may be resolved…
dada
Finland still uses swastika, in airforce flag, presidential flag of Finland and in many decorations. President also wears pendant wich has swastika in it. The mannerheim cross also had swastika on it. (mannerheim cross was given to soldiers who did something really heroic). Saying that finns are pro-nazis only because of this symbol, shows that person arent really civilized. Even though finns were in side of germany in war 1941-1944, it doesnt mean we changed our constitution. Mission then was to get our land back. You see, soviets in winter war 1939 conquered 10% of our land and second largest city (wouldnt people of US fight back, if Los Angeles was conquered?). Nazi-germany was only one that was ready to help us, so we took the help, as did allies give and take help from Soviet Union, wich was as bad or even worst dictatorship. Also, if someone has readed even a bit of history, he/she would know, that Finland is the first modern democracy, meaning that it was first time in FInland, when women were not only let to vote, but also be elected. Conclusion: Should we only get rid of this symbol, wich use is tradition, because nazis used it? My opinion is no.
“Det finnes ikke et eneste skrift med Hitlers, Himmlers eller Heydrichs underskrift, hvor det er tale om at utrydde jødene, og ordet tilintetgjørelse forekommer ikke i Gørings skriv til Heydrich om den endelige løsning (Endløsung) av jødespørsmÃ¥let.” (Paul Rassinier: “Zum Fall Eichmann”.)
If you are interested in the truth you should translate this.
Let the truth reclaim the swastika.
I have nazis.org for sale – just the domain.
Good question anoymous, Nick is here to help you.Try Ebay. I got a Swastika directly from an eastern country. For a gold one, Surf the net for Hindu stores or type in ” Swastika good luck charms. If you want it nice looking, Ebay has a dime sized Swastika pendent with Chiniese charactors on the inside of the Swastika and is gold and black. Thanks! I Hope you find what you’re looking for!
Hey dudes, the national socialism is dead… not more.
The Swastika must to be dignifite again.
preferably a solid gold one
http://www.Waffen-SS@no
Does anyone know where i can get a swastika pendant from?? preferably a solid gold one???
Is agood idea to rescue the symbol of the swastika… is a very nice and complex symbol and is not fear the only asossiation with the nazis. I´m really interested on the astronomical swastika and his relation with ancient cultures of America.
There is nothing wrong in beeing a National Sosialist, what is wrong is is trying to outlaw the symbols of freedom .
im NOT canadian im from maryland, USA
some of u europeans sound like NAZIS to me! has the designer of this website looked at some of these postings? whats wrong with you? its only a symbol, and in the western world it should be DEAD
i agree with all of you said, im paganist and this symbol was later here before nazism, perhaps can we reabilitated this symbol, to print it upside down ?
That will be demark it from the old nazi signet ?
Hans is right, the swastika is nessesary as a symbol for the fight againg Jewish world dominance,
Actually, the other website you mention is also bad and it exhibits the usual deceptive information. For example, it also never identifies the actual name of the group: the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It exclusively uses the hackneyed n-word , either in ignorance or deliberately to evade. It provides no explanation for why the German socialist symbol evolved, being turned 45 degrees counter clockwise and always pointed in the S-letter direction. And it shows complete ignorance of the discovery by the historian Dr. Rex Curry that the symbol was used to represent overlapping S-letters for Socialism by the National Socialist German Workers Party, for their dogma. Similar alphabetic symbolism is still visible as Volkswagen logos.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
American socialists (e.g. Edward Bellamy teamed with the Theosophical Society) also bear some blame for the notorious symbol usd by the National Socialist German Workers Party on its flag. While Edward and the Theosophical Society worked together, the same symbol was used by the Society. It was used as alphabetical symbolism for socialism, and adopted later by German socialists as their flag symbol. Although an ancient symbol, it was altered for use as overlapping S-letters for ’socialism.’
American socialists also influenced German socialists in that the Pledge was the origin of the stiff-arm salute that was adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. The early salute for the Pledge of Allegiance was the straight-arm salute. Francis Bellamy was the author of the Pledge (1892) and cousin to Edward Bellamy, author of an international bestseller that launched the nationalism movement. Edward’s book was translated into every major language, including German. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed socialists in the Nationalism movement and they promoted military socialism. They wanted government to take over all schools and impose robotic chanting to flags. When the government granted their wish, government schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official policy. That behavior even outlasted German National Socialism. The Pledge’s early right-arm salute was not an ancient Roman salute, and the ‘ancient Roman salute’ myth came from the Pledge.
People were persecuted for refusing to perform robotic chanting to the national flag at the same time in the USA and Germany (to the American flag, and to the German symbol flag). Most of the above are modern discoveries (do a web search for “stop the pledgeâ€) by a different writer, America’s leading authority on the Pledge of Allegiance (the author of “Pledge of Allegiance Secretsâ€).
you’re welcome. If that 1st website didn’t work for you, try http://www.manwoman.net
Manwoman is a Conadian pop artist. He explains the swastika better than the symbol website. He uses pictures and other things to explain the symbol’s histoy. He also sells mercandise like books and artwork. His most famous book is called Gentle Swastika. This book gived you an in depth look at how the swastika was used for centries.
Thanks for the post Nick. However, that symbols website exhibits the usual bad information. For example, it never identifies the actual name of the group: the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It exclusively uses the hackneyed n-word , either in ignorance or deliberately to evade. It provides no explanation for why the German socialist symbol evolved, being turned 45 degrees counter clockwise and always pointed in the S-letter direction. And it shows complete ignorance of the discovery by the historian Dr. Rex Curry that the symbol was used to represent overlapping S-letters for Socialism by the National Socialist German Workers Party, for their dogma. Similar alphabetic symbolism is still visible as Volkswagen logos.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
American socialists (e.g. Edward Bellamy teamed with the Theosophical Society) also bear some blame for the notorious symbol usd by the National Socialist German Workers Party on its flag. While Edward and the Theosophical Society worked together, the same symbol was used by the Society. It was used as alphabetical symbolism for socialism, and adopted later by German socialists as their flag symbol. Although an ancient symbol, it was altered for use as overlapping S-letters for ‘socialism.’
American socialists also influenced German socialists in that the Pledge was the origin of the stiff-arm salute that was adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. The early salute for the Pledge of Allegiance was the straight-arm salute. Francis Bellamy was the author of the Pledge (1892) and cousin to Edward Bellamy, author of an international bestseller that launched the nationalism movement. Edward’s book was translated into every major language, including German. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed socialists in the Nationalism movement and they promoted military socialism. They wanted government to take over all schools and impose robotic chanting to flags. When the government granted their wish, government schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official policy. That behavior even outlasted German National Socialism. The Pledge’s early right-arm salute was not an ancient Roman salute, and the ‘ancient Roman salute’ myth came from the Pledge.
People were persecuted for refusing to perform robotic chanting to the national flag at the same time in the USA and Germany (to the American flag, and to the German symbol flag). Most of the above are modern discoveries (do a web search for “stop the pledge”) by a different writer, America’s leading authority on the Pledge of Allegiance (the author of “Pledge of Allegiance Secrets”).
This is nick To learn more about the swastika and other symbols go to http://www.symbols.com
Hello everybody, i think this is just the right time to go in and reclaim the swastika, what has been dirtied by a racist gangster couple of decades ago while it just brought about such negative reaction in the minds of people and who still feel uncomfortable by the sign of it but you have done a good job by putting up such a educative interactive site where genuine voices can be expressed for the cause of swastika.
i whole heartedly support in your effort to educate the masses of the thousands of years of preservation and respect it culturally carried for so long, need not be dirtied by some stupid racist.
wish you all good luck
*A society based not only on but for the economy is not healthy.
LOL! It’s all the fault of the JEWS!
Wake up son. It’s not. Even if they were/are a negative effect, it does not mean they are the source of modernity’s huge societal ills. Take all the Jews away and you still have a depressing modern society.
Do not search for scapegoats, search for the truth, which is neither coming from the neo-nazi’s mouths, nor the liberal’s mouths, nor any political groups. Stop being told stuff and start thinking.
The swastika is a meaningful symbol to the highest, metaphysical degree.
Conspiracy theories take the focus away from real, more pressing issues, like the fact that our socetal ideology is corrupt. Keep on talking about chucking Jews/Masons/Internationalists/Communists out of government and finance etc. all you want, but you’d be sorely missing the point.
A society based not only but for the economy is not healthy. A society based solely on selfish gratification is not healthy. A society that conveys meaninglessness and depression through its whole system is not healthy.
We are trying to focus on something better.
http://www.corrupt.org
It’s me, Do you guys know why the Nazis lost? 1. Obsession with power. And 2, I believe the Nazis lost because they used the Swastika too much. You see, The Swastika is designed to suck away evil. when the Nazis used the Swastikas on houses etc, I belive that’s what made those Nazi idiots lose the war. I feel vary hurt that millions of innocent jews and other people were killed for nothing. The Swastika saw the hurt and tears that went on that day. So the swastika is the one that stopped The Nazis. Thanks R.T.S.
This page has become a symbol of indoctrination , this is clearly documented by Nate and many others..
“Ike” killed 1.6 million german soldiers under his protection in military consentration camps after the war. Should we abandon the use of the Amercan flagg?
You have to remember that not everybody beleave what the Jews have presented as true about the Holowcash.
Like American flagg we should not abandon the use of the swastika.
After what the swastica now means, after being adopted by the national socialist movement I believe that it should be not connotated with good luck, but withcontempt.it should be countered with global unification and anti fascist action. The symbol represents all the hate and Nationalism emulated by the nationional socialists. I believe the swastica’s meaning has been changed.
Dear all,
Do you know Why Hitler crucify 6 million Jews? Bible says Jerusalem (Israel) is Jews home land. Before Hitler took the power Jews were struggling for Home land Jerusalem (Israel). To get Jerusalem (Israel) Jews must move to Jerusalem (Israel) from world especially from Rich Europe. So Hitler scared Jews Holocaust drama while he was in power. Because of Hitler Jews got pushed from Europe and world to Jerusalem (Israel). If Hitler had not done holocaust drama do you think Jews get Home land Jerusalem (Israel). Jesus was not “King Of Jews†but Hitler was “King Of Jews†as Jews expecting “King Of Jewsâ€. If you want more details then click below Link.
http://www.swastik.org/11hitler.htm
And Hitler didn’t misused swastik but he used for different purpose. I kept small movie in this web page about Hitler
Regards
Kalki Avatar
Bernt, you seem to be very angry because you are concerned about the economic situation in the world.
However, I do not think that this is the forum to vent your anger and hatred – particularly when your comments lay the blame on a particular ethnic group.
The guidelines for this website state:
When I read your comments, I feel frustrated because I want something positive to come out of this discussion i.e. a greater awareness of the deeper spiritual origins of the swastika symbol.
You seem to be more interested in accusing the global Jewish population of conspiracy and corruption, rather than discussing the universal symbolism of the swastika.
MR. Weiss!
From your name it assumed you belong to this pariah called Jews. The Jews have created more turmoil and misery for the humans than any plague or natural disasters. Right now they are turning the clock back to where they again will be expelled and prosecuted.
The Swastika is the symbol of all people that wants to free the world from this meanness.
What in Gods name are you saying? The Swastika is a powerful symbol of love, peace, and luck. Blaming a grouop of people who practice Judaism for the negative things that happen in your nation is contrary to the very meaning of the Swastika. If the Jews are a little shy of the Swastika, can you honestly blame them. These are people who saw their friends and family killed under it’s misuse. We must understand their reluctance for it to be reclaimed, just like they must understand our desire to reclaim it. Do not make a mockery of this sacred symbol by misusing it as Hitler did.
In Iranian Islamic land we are amaze of existance
of the Swastika because we discover what was
history of Europe by our president.
But what is sure is that All people must be sure of
danger of sionisme in World , and first for the Land of Frenchs.
Yes , France is touched by the first organization
sionist in World : BENAI BRITH. And nothing as Swastika could avoid this danger of World !!
Unfortunately the Jews or the Zionists already have a grip on the western world. They control JEW$A and Europe, the are pushing to make the Swastika illegal. They have blackmailed most European countries through the HOLOWCASH scam. They control the mass media and the movie industry in the US and thereby indoctrinating the population. Finally they have blackmailed the west to except a financial system that slowly is transferring all wealth to their bankers.
The Swastika is truly the sign of Freedom fighters against this cancer.
In Iranian Islamic land we are amaze of existance of
the Swastika because we discover what was
history of Europe by our president. But What is
sure is that All people must be aware of danger
of Sionism in World , and first for the Land of Frenchs.
Yes, France is touched by the first organization sionist of World : BENAI BRITH. And Nothing as Swastika could avoid this danger of World !!
Personally I think people should be free to use whatever symbol they want for whatever reason they want. If Buddhists or Hindus want to use swastikas then go ahead. If Nazis want to then they should go ahead and use them too. Its none of the states buisness people dont need tyrant leaders telling them what symbols they are allowed to use. Nazi’s should have free speech too.
Just know about Swastika which is considered
like a great symbol of Dravidian negros’ root of
those people before arriving of Aryans tributes
in India. What is amazing more is the meaning of it
unknown, as a Fusion Syndrom by any star. The
Star coold be “Tchira” from the squad of “Orio”.
But much be better : there are all Frogs ! Even we adore the Swastika.
@Bernt – Someone using the (presumably false) name of ‘Adolf Hitler’ posted several long comments that came in rapid succession and with content that wasn’t felt to be in the spirit of the site guidelines, so the comments were removed.
It is more an issue of context, rather than censorship. The website has clearly stated goals and all who identify with them are welcome to contribute.
Why is someboddy sensuring this page.
Adolf had som exelent comments about this Holocash industry and the lies behind it.
Hi Mick – I appreciated to read your very balanced comment, in which you argue that the swastika is still too sensitive a symbol to be used in the West. You suggest that it will take for the generation of grandchildren of the Holocaust victims to expire before we can bring it back again. Why, only the grandchildren? Why not great-grandchildren, or 4 or 5 more generations? Surely, they too may learn the history of their ancestors, and how the swastika was misused. So it all seems a bit arbitrary.
I am writing to you from India where I am visiting for a short time. The place is plastered with swastikas – they’re everywhere – literally everywhere. I have not found a place where the swastika isn’t!
I recently found a large building containing hundred’s of thousands of red bricks – with a swastika moulded onto every single one of them! India has a staggering 1.1 billion people – with endless waves of migrants moving to every part of the world. So, yes, they already are demanding the right to use their most ancient and revered spiritual symbol.
As more and more Westerners are drawn to the path of Yoga, meditation, vegetarianism etc, then the demand for the liberation of the swastika has increasingly come from Westerners themselves.
Another point is there: one of the most widely represented national groups travelling in the Indian subcontinent are, in fact, Israelis. Endless waves of young Israelis straight out of the army. I wonder what their feeling is moving around India being daily exposed to literally millions of swastikas!
I don’t see them running madly, frothing at the mouth, diving to take cover from the onslaught of the swastikas! On the contrary, they seem quite at peace.
Maybe – just maybe – they have been able to adjust, and see it for what it means here: a beautiful, powerful, spiritual symbol!
dada
Its simply to early for the swastika to be reclaimed in the west. No matter how many reasonable arguments can be brought up in favour of it.
Only after the grandchildren of those who experienced World War Two are long dead, and after the mid-east has finally calmed down. Only then can the symbol be reclaimed in west. Until then it will remain to sensitive.
However, I could see some squabbling over it with religious asians living in the west. I mean, various religious troubles really seem to have flared up this decade. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the asians eventually got in on on all the debates at one point. In kind of a ‘now that we’re talking about islam… what about our swastikas!’ sort of way. And y’know how the media gets.
Don’t ban the Swastika. Symbols can have multiple meanings. Personally, one should become educated with such a symbol before judgement can be passed.
To me, the very act of invoking identity with a group of others – in stark isolation to all else – is an intrinsic act of oppression of everyone involved.
Mark Lammas
Whom is to determine whom is hater or whom has a religion that despises others razes and call them Goys..
The Swastika is a symbol of freedom for the Germanic people against the people that call them Goys.
May it rise again and be symbol of unity for the Germanic people against the oppressors..
The symbol on the printed page
Is purely, only, art;
The Good the symbol represents
Is God, within the heart,
So, when the haters steal this thing
They cannot hold it long,
For, somehow, deep inside their hearts
They know the act is wrong.
to james
Germany is facing a huge problem for the future, they are being invaded by Jews from eastern Europe.
History will eventually repeat it self!!!
The swastika is a symbol of freedom for the German people and the Jews are trying to make it illegal in Europe.
i think that the german way is the true way of life im german a have the german blood strong in my vanes my great uncle was an ss officer and my grampa got 3 purple hearts 2 iron crosses and 2 hand to hand combat metals in the german army and alot more that i do not know of but i say go germans.
That was really amazing! And thanks.
I always hear that the swastika was stolen by Hitler and that it originated in the Hindu religion instead.
But that too is but a misnomer because the swastika has no special connection to India because whatever force spread this symbol seemed to do it all over the globe for every race, nation of true civilization, even the most primitive nomad societies carried this symbol.
They ALL also had the so-called “Star of David” : Native Americans, Africans, Indians, all Asian peoples, as well as Celtic peoples and Middle Eastern peoples; all these peoples had little or no contact with each other, they certainly did not regard India as their holy land because most of these people did not even know of India’s existence (except for a few fortunately individuals of these area’s), yet all the continental peoples of Africa, the Middle East, Europe, The America’s (both South and North) all peoples (unlike Asians) who had no direct contact with India before or after the great Buddha.
Yet all these non-Asian, non-Indian, peoples from Europe to the Americas have the swastika among they’re other “holy symbols”, the other most prominent of which is the Hexagram (which is present in both Native American, Middle Eastern, and Celtic cultures, as well as those cultures in which the swastika is the highest symbol namely Asian cultures (Tibetan, Chinese, Japanese, and Asian societies with direct contact to Aryan and Indian cultures) .
“The Gods” so they all claimed “gave them these symbols” just as they gave them civilization and every aspect of the knowledge of the stars, magical arts, mathematics, and prophecy.
The notion that Gods once ruled the earth is not a new one and certainly need not take on White Supremest aspects because many “white peoples” such as Germanic’s, Nordics, Slavonic’s, and other European peoples had the same myths; these peoples were not claiming to be the the Gods, although some of them, like many other ancient civilizations both Aryan and Non-Aryan claimed decendency from the Gods, but they all mentioned “The Gods”; and where the Gods existed, (whether in the imaginations of ancient peoples or real creatures) the swastika and the Hexagram (Star of David) appeared-existed.
It seems as though a great force was spreading these two symbols all over the planet to every continent, to peoples so far from each other they could not have possibly gotten it all from a isolationist culture like India.
These two symbols spread with seeming swiftness and precision, as the idea of the pyramid.
The history of these symbols remain a mystery but for anyone to claim “they came from my country” would be arrogant and possibly even a liar because no one knows which “nation” civilization” or community spread these symbols and the knowledge they represent.
So the Swastika is no more unique to India than the so-called “Star of David” is to present day Jews or ancient Judahites.
In fact two thousand years ago the Israelites had no National Symbol, they had the hexagram and the swastika just as many other peoples (non-Jews) along with other various mystical, spiritual, and sacred geometric symbols.
Just as the swastika is NOT unique to Hindu and Buddhist societies, the hexagram also is not Hebrew in origin although the Israelites always regarded it as their highest symbol or the symbol that most represented their relationship with infinitely large and the infinitely small in the universe, heaven and earth, male and female; most of all the symbol represented the Israelites desire for peace between all the levels of life in creation from the great to the small so that they may all shine together as ONE.
The Hebrews always regarded the Star as their key to opening the realms of light on the physical earth and in their souls, but they also acknowleged the swastika for it’s purpose in the cosmos, the activity of creation and destruction is fate itself just as galexies are born by white holes so they are destroyed by black holes.
The White Holes represent the swastika of life and birth in the universe and we all owe our existence to the this birth, for we all live on gigantic swastika’s called galaxies; and they represent the positive aspect of the swastika, that of life; but in the physical world the swastika eventually takes the turn for the worst once it is time to die, for it always end’s in destruction.
In the end of physical life on a galaxy the black hole takes control and that is the fate of desire.
This is why the Ancient Hebrews while acknowledging the swastika and respecting it’s power as the giver of life and death, but they also knew where it’s energy eventually led and so they “lived in the world, but refused to be of it” so they served the side of the swastika that supported life, and knew that if they did that perfectly throughout many cycles of time, when the black holes opened and physical matter met it’s fate, they would be rescued by the inter dimensional Lords of Light, and as Noah was saved from the flood so would they be rescued from the physical world at it’s eventual destruction.
Physical life in and of itself does not garrentee damnation, for if one eternally serves life he will live joy filled days and be saved from the fateful destruction.
This is why to serve life fanatically is to be a true rebel, a rebel against fate, against the darkness of the final solution of the universe.
The black hole represents justice, it is the swastika of destruction at the end of cycles of physical existence; the Ancient Hebrews were well aware of the significance of the swastika and praised it for allowing them to live an earthly existence but their blessed destiny lied in their relationship with the infinitely large and the infinitely small, the universal and the microscopic, the human, animal, plant, and cell kingdoms (representing the infinitely small) as well as the angels in the highest realms (lifeforms of the worlds of the infinitely large and transcendental existence of higher realties-dimensions-universes-realms ).
If they succeeded and activated the light of love and life in all this creation and connect the greatly small with infinitely high, and thus physical life-time cells to heavenly realms: they would be protected in their cyclic journey’s through physical existence, favored by all that lives, and eventually rescued by Lords of Light at the final destruction along with all the creation they awakened.
This was a salvation show for life.
The Aryans stuck with the swastika while the Hebrews realized the connection between the fate of the swastika and their relationship with the universe and so had the Hexagram as their highestly venerated symbol in the way that the Indians and Tibetans regarded (and still regard) the swastika as their highest symbol (or their relationship with fate, creation and destruction).
The star was chosen as the National symbol of Jewry when the Zionist creed came into existence, before then, the hexagram was just one among many symbols which Hebrew kabbalists held in high regard, and it is known because in ancient Israeli temples they have the swastika and the Star of David side by side.
It is quite a conspiracy theory to claim that Jewish missionaries left their homeland to spread their religion to continents as far as South America, I’m not saying it is an impossibility, it could be true but there is no facts to back the claim.
They’re are also no facts to back up that Hindu’s with red dots on their foreheads went spreading Hinduism to all peoples, leaving them with swastika’s as a reward.
The fact remains that we do not know where these symbols came from, it is a mystery, but a mystery with many clues if you look at the cultures that carry them, for they all talk of exalted beings that descended from the sky, or better yet the stars (in the sky) in many cases.
Each culture gives these beings different names, but the meaning is always the same.
Indians called them Aryans, Hebrew societies called the spirits of these Elohim “Angles” and the ‘physical representatives’ of the Angelic–heavenly metaphysical spirits were refered to as the “Sons of God”, who created a human elite called the “Sons of Light” by crossbreeding with their human prototype, this race went on to father great individuals , “Men of great and Renown”.
It was only when the Sons of the Elohim mated with a “WRONG RACE” that the unrighteous result was that of a freak known in many cultures as “the giants” who was a very physically strong but power obsessed to the piont of which the only solution was extermination.
But when these “shining ones” or “Sons of the Creator” mated with their human prototypes they simply created a human elite, because they did this they then had to incarnate in this new race they had created and live out many cycles on the earth as guiders to the masses of blind humanity.
Certain sections of these beings choose enlightenment the others choose control and this was how the “wicked elite” or “wicked Shepard’s came into existence, thus the war between the Elite of Light (symbolized by David) and the Elite of darkness (symbolized by King Saul); thus the War between the spiritual Israel and the materialistic Israel is symbolized between the eternal battle between the forces of David (the Light bearer–Son of the Elohim) and that of Saul (the materialistic angle that lacked the creativity to have happiness without lies, and so lies became his power against those who knew-not (non-Gnostic’s) in the physical world because only by deceiving could he keep others under his control for his enjoyment; and the only ones he can deceive are average humans.
The animals see him coming and reject his lies, and the angles and their sons have always known who and what he was.
For is the one that prevents and many times succeeds in convincing the masess of the inoccent from listening to the wisdom of the Light bearers, the real shepherds who are meant to guide the masses of humanity to light, life, and truth.
So many diverse cultures had different names for what appeared to them as the physical manifestations of the highest light, so them, they were “Gods”, especially to primitive peoples whatever the color of their skin, and to both primitive and advanced advanced civilizations alike, (whatever the color of their skin), from different parts of the world; and ALL of these civilizations which had no contact with each other sited the Pleadies and Orion as the two main star systems of “the Gods”.
There is no way that is a coincidence, absolutely no way, otherwise there must have been a conspiracy of some earthly race that spread both the swastika and the hexagram, both the idea of the pyramid and the prophecy that sites 2012 as the end of a cycle, and sites both the Pleadies and Orion as star systems to be worshiped.
That is quite a conspiracy if “The Gods” weren’t in fact what everyone claims they are: “advanced beings from the stars”.
Were they Hindu’s from India?
Israeli’s from the Middle East and Africa?
Aryans from Atlantis?
Or Gods from the sky?
They were one or two of those things but I do not think that a small tribe of overzealous Semites colonized vast oversea territories and there is no evidence to suggest that the Hindu race every left India neither for missionary work nor for Imperial interests.
That leaves us either with the Atlantians, the Gods from the sky, or something possibly in-between; perhaps an ancient race that we are unaware of.
The fact is we do not “know” the whole story but we do know the basic puzzling facts:
Somehow:
#1 The idea to build pyramids was put into practice by diverse races and civilizations across the planet.
#2 The Pleadies and Orion were singled out for exoneration by all these peoples as both the dwelling places of the Gods as well as star systems to worshiped.
#3 They all had myths about “white men from the sky” from primitive tribes in The America’s and Africa to darkskined peoples like the Ancient Hebrews (the Hebrew Book of Enoch claims: {Chapter 86 Book Of Enoch}. “Then I raised my eyes a second time towards heaven, and saw in a vision, that behold there came forth from heaven as it were “The Likeness of White Men”. One came forth from thence; and three with him.
Now remember that the earliest recordings of the Book of Enoch were discovered at the dead sea and they carbon date past 2,300 years so not only is this the oldest Hebrew document, but it is also technically the oldest surviving hand written document on earth. “Perhaps proof that the Original Hebrews were aware of their extraterrestrial–interdimesional forefathers could be found all over The Book Of Enoch, specificaly in the section of Noah’s birth.
When Lamech the son of Methuselah gave birth to Noah they noticed his angelic appearance that did not resemble that of the common Hebrews but there heavenly Forfathers.
{“CHAPTER105 1 Enoch”} “After days, my son Methusalah took a wife for his son Lamech.{Luke. 3.36-38} 2.
She became pregnant by him, and brought for a child, the flesh of which was white as snow red as a rose, the hair of whose head was of white wool, and long, and whose eyes were beautiful.
When he opened them he illuminated all the house, like the sun, the whole house abounded with light.
3. And when he was taken from the hand of the midwife, opening also his mouth, he spoke to the Lord of righteousness.
Then Lamech his father was afraid of him and, and flying away came to his own father Methusalah and said: I have begotten a son, a changed son.
He is not human; but, resembeling the offspring of the angels of heaven, is of a different nature from ours, being altogether unlike us.
4. His eyes are bright as the rays of the sun; his countenance glorious, and he looks not as if he belongs to us but to the angels.
5. I am afraid, lest something miraculous should take place on earth in his days.
6. And now, my father, let me reatreat and reqest you to go to our progenitor Enoch, and to learn from him the truth; for his residence is with the angels.
7. When Mathusalah heard the words of his son, he came to me at the extremities of the earth; for he had been informed that I was there; and he cried out.
8. I heard his voice, and went to him, saying: I am hear my son, since you have come to me.
9. He answered saying: On account of a great event have I come to you.
10. And now, my father, hear me; for to my son Lamech a child has been born, who resembles not him, and whose nature is not like the nature of man. His color is whiter than snow, he is redder than a rose; the hair of his head is whiter than white wool; his eyes are like the rays of the sun; and when he opened them he illuminated the whole house. 11.When he was taken from his mid-wife, he opened his mouth, and blessed the Lord of heaven. 12.His father Lamech feared, and fled to me, believing not that the child belonged to him, but that he resembled the angels of heaven. And behold I come to you, that you might point out to me the truth”.
This is just one among many examples of what I am talking about, and the first quote from chapter 86 about the “White Men from the sky” is a common theme with religious communities of Aryan decent as well as primitive tribal communities who claimed contact and had civilizations to prove their mythological interpretations (or delusions).
#4 Where these themes of the activities of supreme beings dwell (which is practically all over the earth, each culture styling “the story” with the colors and artistic imaginations of their culture (racial makeup);
so do many mystical symbols two of which happen to be the most popular and well known symbols to modern day people: The Swastika and the Star of David (Hexagram).
One is known to be the symbol used by the Nazi’s the other is known to be the symbol of Judaism, but just as the Hexagram had no special relationship with Jewry before the 1800′s, and just as the swastika had not special German connection before the arrival of Hitler, so India has no special claim to the swastika, no more special however than any other culture who obtained the holy symbol.
But the fact that India is the only surviving culture which is in fact “life centered” (being vegetarian, anti-colonialist, being aware of the cyclical view of history, reality, and life altogether and how to serve LIFE so that one can ward of the curses of DEATH in the natural (physical) and spiritual (metaphysical) world etc.) I think gives India the right to “claim the swastika” because they are the “most” righteous among living nations.
The only fault India has is the caste system, because in the way it is applied it weakens the country as well as the amazing religion of Hinduism and thus strengthens the rights of Islam, Christianity, and Communism over the masses of the oppressed.
If India can work out it’s problem of caste oppression it can claim the swastika, but only morally, NOT historically.
Historically the swastika did not originate in India and from India, but came to India just as it miraculously appeared in other cultures scattered across the earth.
To claim that the swastika is a “Hindu-Indian symbol” is to be a Hindu supremest just as the German supremacists claimed that it was Germanic of origin just because they happen to be present all throughout Germany, so is it present throughout the world and the universe for that matter, therefor it is not a African symbol as some black supremacists claim, it is not a Hindu symbol as many Hindu’s might claim, it is not a German, Aryan, or Anglo-Saxon symbol either, it is the universe’s symbol, it belongs to the universe, and whoever has knowledge of it has knowledge of the infinite cycle of creation and destruction in the universe, perhaps this is why “The Gods from the sky” found it essential to give these symbols to their subjects so that they may have the basic idea of this truth .
So we must conclude either that it was the Indians who gave the world the swastika, and the Jews who gave the world the star (hexagram), or that a force, either mystical or physically exist ant that made contact with all these peoples and inspired the idea to build pyramids as well as the symbols to explain the meaning of life.
Either it was a spiritual fever, a set of concepts and building blocks of knowledge that infected all these diverse peoples, an ancient race that helped activate these visions, prophecies, and practices of such diverse peoples; or my favorite choice: ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER!
I don’t think it is honest to say it was all spirituality or racial superiority, and that is what you will find among the extreme promoters of dogma; the truth is probably a mixture of the two claims because the evidence strongly suggests (both suggestion of a ancient race of gods running around teaching everyone as well as the fact that these peoples had a great spirituality of their own both prior to and after the arrival of the gods (whoever they were); yes you can acknowledge both facts!
Something inspired specific ideas, works, and rituals and we have no proof of what it was.
One thing we do know is that the peoples who used these symbols had myths that sound eerily similar, sometimes it is just a different version of the same basic story: Gods, came down, taught man many things, occasionally enjoyed creating offspring with their daughters, and then left.
This story is repeated in almost every culture on the face of the earth, from the most primitive to the most advanced, all of these peoples also possessed these auspicious symbols that just happen to be present in nature, the universe, and the princables and geometric laws which hold it together.
It would make perfect earthly sense if the swastika and the star were to be found simply in the Mediterranean, or simply in Asia, or directly from Africa herself; it would even make sense if it was only Mediterraneans, Asian, and European communites had these symbols because Mediterranean Imperial peoples such as those of Rome and Greece conquered much of these territories and could have easily spread these symbols.
The fact that these symbols are in area’s that were in no way connected and since these symbols were not national or Imperial symbols, they were both natural and spiritual symbols, not something some superstitious peoples dreamed up but representatives of serious forces that are present in our universe and in fact represent infinity (hexagram) and fate (swastika).
From a higher level they have nothing to do with race, nation, or religion although races, nations, and cultures can “connect themselves with these cosmic symbols-energies” by “turning on” as the psychedelic Hippie Guru Timothy Leary put it.
So either mental-spiritual viruses made these diverse peoples from different parts of the globe draw these symbols and build pyramids to embody these universal symbols or we can believe the basic crux of that story that is told in so many different ways colored by the cultures who tell them; those “myths”, “traditions’ and ‘legends” of all the peoples that point in the same direction: upwards to those same star systems of Orion and the Pleadies, called by all the peoples of the Swastika and the Star of Israel (Isis- Ra – EL) the homes of the celestial Gods.
Reported by the Ancient Hebrews as the dwelling place of the angels of EL who “made their own human race in their own image and likeness” and later interbreed with that race to create humans who were great in wisdom, knowledge, and righteousness, with the knowlege (and in some cases the souls of angles and fallen angels) to be “men of great and renown”, guiders, and “shepards” to humanity, a righteouss elite to govern the masess and lead them to the light of life.
Israel was to be the light to nations, Israel failed that mission, but India has not yet failed to be an example to the nations becuase in many ways it is, but there is still much to work on, particuaraly the caste system.
With the order of the caste system the Indian Hindu’s can at times be “cruel Shepard’s” to their masses of sheep, a nation that has always since it’s birth respected the rights and Godly powers of animals treats it’s own flock so cruelly and at times even wickedly.
India is an example in all area’s except it’s caste system, because it puts caste above merit, it is a flawed system, but one that works, until the oppressed rise.
A little true Christian doctrine of love and mercy for the weak and distressed could do India well but it should be done without foreign and destructive–reactionary ideologies and religions (such as Bolshevism, False Christianity, and Intolerant forms of Islam).
Another reason India is not necessarily the historical “home of the swastika” is becuase they NEVER had either an over sea’s Empire nor a missonary description, thus the particular interpertations of the Hindu religion remains alive in India but is not to be found outside India.
The symbols and conceptions of Hinduism are indeed to be found all over the globe, in places where swastika’s and stars (Hexagrams) are present but the Hindu religion per say is restricted to Indian territory, the only forms to be found outside India have been done either in the 20th century by Westerners or in Asia by the followers of the Buddha who was an international (transcending race, tribe, and nation)
Now I know Ancient India had an awesome civilization that stretched as far as Afghanistan but in the same way as the Nazis all the conquering done by India concerned “living space” was for their growing population and developing civilization, it also so-happened that the Arab world tended to find Hindu’s disagreeable and often quarreled with them,
thus causing Indians to “justify” they’re practicle needs of living space.
Of course the conquered land was also to be exploited, and in that case they did engage in what a Marxist would call Nationalistic Imperialism; but they never had an oversea Empire as the British, the Romans, the Greeks, or the Atlantians (if they existed) and this is probably one of the secrets to India’s test of time for all oversea Empires eventually collapse because they do not have the resources to sustain their own people and their Empire, and their greedy spirit brings them to a final defeat even if it takes a few thousand years the law of life eventually destroys them.
India is a nation-culture that has both done the right works and had the right faith, their life centered philosophy gives them protection from the death forces of the natural world and their will not to dominate other cultures but instead to “guide them” and not to “control them” justifies the survival of their culture on a higher moral level.
So they justify the survival of their culture by both earthly wisdom (practical knowlege) and higher spiritual-ethical princables.
So they serve both earthly truth and heavenly ideals without being unrighteous or a hypocrite and this is why they have protection from both physical and spiritual death forces.
Their only sin was and is the application of their caste system, and it is this sin that brought the British to their land and allowed them to cruelly discriminate against all Indians as if they were all Sudras in the caste system.
Evil breeds evil.
But besides the caste system India is the most progressive, life-centered, enlightened, and beautiful national culture on earth, the only surviving Israelite culture actually (if you see Israel as a spiritual and material ideal)
And one thing the Indians and the Israelites always had in common was that they were not colonialists, but had no problem conquering large masses that could threaten them, and it seems that in both cases the masses of Arabs are the treat and the subject of subjugation, exploitation, conquering, and yes oppression by the two “blessed nations”: India and Israel.
That is what India and Israel have done in the past to their Arab neighbors, but they never went world dominating; and they restricted their exploits to their basic surroundings and people whom they felt could seriously threaten them security wise, as a reward for their paranoia they got new sections of land or “living space”.
Even though they hav e lost the greatness of their pasts they have not lost their civilizations, and India has lost almost nothing in 6000 years.
The doctrine of World domination is not only a disease for the victims, it is also a curse for the masters.
When a nation gets handed the opportunity to dominate the world that means that they have found themselves subject to such a deceptive temptation because they already have great sins to account for.
The voice that tells races, nations, and religions to dominate is the voice of the enemy of those very nations, races, and religions, for that is a sure death certificate signed by the so-called “winner”.
In a reality they are already the loser and it is their own death of their own spirit that influences them in this destructive direction.
Once they lose they’re own spiritual, ethical, cultural values they have absolutely nothing better to do with their time than to take away those very things from others, the force that allows them to triumph is the weakness of those subject to them.
Therefor it is the sins of others that open the doors where Imperial demons can subjugate and destroy the inhabitants both spiritually and physically.
The Rise of Rome was probably a consequence of the crimes of the survivors of Atlantis, and the Rise of the British Empire was a continuation of the vice of Rome, and America has secured the blessings of Empire and the rule of law is the way they do it, by “assuming” their victory they no longer have to conquer by the sword (as the British had to do) they declare their cause already won, until the subject nation refuses to comply (as is the case with the war in Iraq) (then America must use the sword by promoting pacifism).
India never did that, the farthest Indians went in the conquering department was about as far as the ancient Israelites in the manner of establishing “living space” which was the inspiration of Moses, and so both India and Israel conquered sections of the territories of the Arab world.
Moses never intended to dominate the world, and Aaron always knew that the earthly goal was to create living space for his wandering people; it was because they slaughtered others to maintain this living space that the idea of Israel was never realized, because they betrayed the very principles they looked to become in tune with, namely those of life.
Indians have never been wanderers because they developed in India and not coming out of some enslavement, they were born free and following their birth came into contact with the Sons of The Co-Creators who remained on the earth.
Between Israel and India always lied the same enemy of Arab masses and while the Israelites saw the Arabs as the dark side of their racial history, the Indians saw them as the same basic material grown in impure conditions, that of the desert and not of the tropics, not to mention they had different ancestors; (while the Arabs and Hebrews had the same ancestors “save the few that separate them”.)
Both India and Israel had their quarrels with the Arab masses and this was one of their inspirations for the conquering they did against them.
But is living space and colonialism the same thing?
I think not.
It can have similar aspects such as the exploitation of the population and territory subject, but it is still based on territory to live and the winning of the freedom create (unhindered) and build culture and civilization, and these are the most primitive dictates of nature for the same law is practiced in every other natural kingdom; in the same way that nature allows bears to have living space and every other specie; so humanity must upgrade that system so that it can all exist together without one striking the other, all in peace, side by side, in perfect unity, tolerance, and individuality.
Humans try to believe that they have risen above this system but that is impossible, humans could never rise above the system of the planet, but we can “raise it” to a higher, more Eden like level—”A Vegetarian Planet”.
Instead humanity under the control of wicked shepherds have not only proven that they are not above anything.
Not only can people of the same race and culture have internal problems, people of different ideologies have also proven unsuccessful in living side by side in peace.
Communism, Christianity, Islam, they all say “go and make disciples to every nation”, but what they really mean is the domination of the nations with their specific view in mind; and Islam is in fact the most tolerant when compared to Christianity and Bolshevism, for the Muslim does not look to change your soul, he just wants you to “surrender” to their will, and then they will give you “tolerance”, but they still want you under their authority, and this still makes them both primitive and inferior to the humanoid ideal.
So the only way cultures can live in peace is when they dwell in the land nature created them in, and this is the very opposite of colonialism, this is what prevents colonialism.
Respecting each others living space is the best way to develop an easy relationship with creation.
Colonialism, (in opposition to the belief in nature given living space) is based on one race or nation unatrually forcing themselves on others territory.
By simply using the raw power of the knowledge entrusted to them, they act like advanced beasts who use what they know in order to dominate, control, enslave, and eventually destroy.
They believe themselves to be above all of life, in reality they are not a light to the nations but a group of greed filled beasts dressed up as civil humans, instead of teaching all races and nations to find the light of love and life in their own hearts, in their own colors, and in their own cultures they conquer by never ending streams of lies, bribery, and expliotation and extermination of any who oppose this wise system.
They oppose the very programing which the Creator gave to individuals, ideological communities, races, and nations by imposing their values on the inhabitants; in another words COLONIALISM IS AN ASULT ON OTHERS LIVING SPACE!
It is a betrayal of nature given rights and the idea of states rights.
Instead they preach a Federalism that is not meant to reform but to control ,purchase, and eventually destroy all nations, races, ideological-religious communities, and individuals of peace and love.
Great Britain was a small Island who made it their
duty to conquer territory not to live on but solely to exploit for all it’s natural resources both plant animal and human enslavement and to “spread English culture and Christian values”.
India never did anything like that, the farthest they went was to conquer masses of Arab neighbors who were probably hostile to them in the first place, I’m not saying that would justify Indians genocide against the Arab populations, but there are reasons why people commit genocide against their neighbors.
For one thing no one ever asks “what about the people who would have been genocided”?
If modern day Israel did not have the financial and military backing from the Capitalist White Powers (America and Great Britain) the Arabs would have driven them into the sea, in another words “they already would have been exterminated”.
So when people try to blame Israel and say that they are conspiring to slowly get rid of the Arabs one should look at the numerical value of the two and must realize that it is impossible for a minority to oppress a majority and that it is inequality that often drives the minority to criminal actions against the the other.
Arabs to Israelis is almost like the Germans to the Russians, it isn’t fair play because Arabs have so much greater numerical value and could with no problem wipe Israel out in the same way that German families would be helpless against invading
Russians.
The nicer you are the more you will be taken advantage of that is an “inconvenient truth” and when you are at someone else’s mercy you endanger yourself.
The Germans realized it and that is why they left the League of Nations, they realized that when you have to trust someone else with your freedom the temptation is too great on the other side to take advantage and had learned what happens when you agree to “lay down your arms” like a peace loving creative people should: VERSILES TREATY!!!
Likewise the Jews who suffered under the Germans came to the realization that they should never be under another’s mercy again thus the reason for their aggressive National Zionism.
Once you are betrayed once you should not sit back and wait to be betrayed again, I still don’t think that being betrayed justify becoming a bigger monster than your oppressor but it does explain how this could happen.
The question is what to do about it.
The Arab masses are chooseing revert to terrorism in their fight against their oppressors and look what it is getting them.
They still haven’t learned from history: you cannot declare war on England and America and get away with it, if they beat the Germans and the Japanese with tanks, and uniformed soldiers they think the USA could not bomb them all out of existance?
In any case it is never safe for a minority to be under the mercy of a majority, and when this happens whether Jews to Germans, Germans to Russians, Indians to Arabs, or Israeli’s to Arabs or Black Americans to White Americans…it is to be the responsibility of the majority to prove their righteousness by showing humaneness towards their lesser brother, but when we a talking of brutes, brutes understand neither righteousness nor mercy.
This is why minorities can become the enemy, because they learn from masters!!!
It makes perfect sense that Israel would stay on the defensive, for in the past you had Israel in the West
and India in the East, and between them was the same enemy of wandering semitic (partly Negro) nomads who had no traditions or culture to keep them from the desire to conquer.
It is true that the more creative a people the less they feel a need to conquer because they don’t even need to leave their house, this is also what makes them weak and subject to the material superiority of a numerically greater force.
The Mongols against China, the Arab masses against both ancient and modern day Israel and India, the masses of Russians in comparison to the much smaller group of Germans…and on and on.
Every continental group is naturally entitled to their living space and should not be interfered with by unnatural Western conceptions which cause havoc whether they are coming from a genuine leftist (communistic-Christian) place of wanting to help and free others or from the right wing desire to spread war, capitalism, and imperialism.
I’m against imperialism but I am also against unfair situations in which an entire valuable culture can be wiped out.
That is my view of the peoples that “would have been exterminated” and sometimes it makes more sense for the culturally superior but numerically inferior nation to protect itself against a numerically superior group of barbarians.
Now the British Empire and the would have been Japanese Empire these are instances when a minority actually outsteps it’s natural bounds and not only conquers their neighboring enemies (like India, Israel, and Nazi Germany have reactionally conspired to do and succeeded in doing in the past) but went to dominate others living space, and exploit them for everything.
Now the British Empire was purely a unnatural Empire of White Supremesy in the sense that they just looked to dominate every inch of the globe, to spread their Empire so that it reached every race, and this is why their Empire collapsed, because it had not taken natural laws into account.
The British Empire claimed to preserve culture and order but realy did more culture distrupting that culture creating let alone cultureal preserving.
Instead they enslaved the other cultures and explioted their living space given to them by mother nature herself and thus raped the planet and it’s children.
The Japanese also oversteped their bounds, but they still justified it by reflecting the fact that Asia was on the verge of collapse not becuase of Asian inferiority but because of Western (White man) interloping.
The White Man believed he had a burden to save everyone else but in many cases he in fact destroyed the greatest qualities his subject possessed.
Thus China had become unstable as a consequence of the White Man’s interference, then once the instability reached a level where Chinamen were getting poorer and the White Man was getting richer along came the message of Karl Marx!
Another White Man with a new solution!
Once the colored masses realize that Marxism is yet another trick set forth to play into the game of the white race’s dream of world domination they will reject this “highly moral philosophy” that is meant to exist on a planet different from our own just as they eventually rejected Christianity with it’s “salvation of every nation”=dominion by the nation who engages in this mission.
This is why Communism and Christianity cannot camouflage the organic, because the race is organic. People try to hide behind all kinds of things: religion, ideology, nationalities in the end when one group believes they have been entrusted with a mission to “save” or “liberate” others whether through religious-capitalistic wars or communist “revolutions” if a race takes on this faith, even if it genuinely wishes to be international and serve and save others runs the risk and heavy temptation to become masters of others especially when they come across a race that they just do not relate to or just simply hate.
All this lack of trust comes from watching history and watching others hide behind their religion or ideology in order to spread their racial domination as well as all the losers who hide behind the achievements of their race in order to claim that they are a great individual, all of these people are sick and should be called out for what they are!
Both the racialist-nationalist bigwigs as well as all they’re so-called “international” cousins are the cause of the global problem.
Anyway, the swastika, is not a Indian symbol, it is a universal and therefor international symbol for all that lives!
I feel that the swastika should be reused but only the positive meaning that what it once meant. Like you said it meant and still dose prosperity, and well being this I feel should be what it means because this is what is means however it is still a sensitive issue because of the Nazis… that is why even I have to becareful useign the swastika or even the swastika itself.
i want you to know that i fully support the aims and ideals of this web site. it’s about time this sacred symbol should be liberated from the hands of the haters, and regain its place as a symbol of luck, love, prosperity and auspiciousness. to that end, i have incorporated it on my art car, complete with a link back to this page. ॠगंगणापतयेनमः AUM GANGANAPATAYE NAMAH
There’s nothing wrong with a regular swastika…so I don’t realy get it!
Maybe we should ban the star of David as well…look at the way the Israeli’s treat the Palestinians…!!!
Does Israel need a religious symbol in their flag such as a David star?
It’s not fair towards secular Israeli’s to use a religious based symbol such as a David star….
What are we talking about?
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I am Owner of http://www.swastik.org, I spent nearly 4 years to develop this website. I have been seeing discrimination of Blacks, Swastik and Hitler for last 10 years. At last I want to disclose some secretes of Swastik and Hitler. Definition of Swastik is Lord Vishnu’s Vishnu Chakra, It is not SWASTIK_A but it is SWASTIK. Character A shouldn’t be there at the end of SWASTIK, OK. Well, Regarding Hitler? He was Prophet “King Of Jewsâ€. Hitler didn’t kill 6 Million Jews but far less then 6 Million. Hitler did Jews Holocaust drama to scare Jews to leave from Europe to God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). Holy Book Bible clearly says that Jerusalem (Israel) is the homeland for Jews. If Hitler didn’t do Holocaust drama Jews wouldn’t have got God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). So if you want more details read chapter 3 in http://www.swastik.org. Remember don’t misuse this website. I am Hindu, I read all Holy Books, I am from India and I am Black man. Ok. Note: Hitler didn’t die in Bunker..
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As a spiritualist who uses the swastika symbol, I am happy to see this site. I am also of Jewish descent, and keenly understand the feelings that some Jewish people have about the swastika. I do my best to explain it, but feel it will take another century for the paradigm shift. I hope to use some of the materials on this site to educate others.
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American socialists (e.g. Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy teamed with the Theosophical Society and Freemasons) bear some blame for altering the notorious symbol used as overlapping S-letters for “socialism” under the National Socialist German Workers Party. The same symbol was used by the Theosophical Society during the time when the Bellamys, Freemasons and the Theosophical Society worked together to promote socialism. They also originated and helped to spread the stiff arm salute via the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings.
Socialists in the USA originated the Nazi salute, robotic group-chanting to flags, Nazism, flag fetishism, and the modern swastika as “S” symbolism for “Socialism.” http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
Swastika pictures http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg and Pledge of Allegiance pictures http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance.jpg expose shocking secrets about American history.
The dogma led to the worst slaughter of humanity ever in the socialist Wholecost (of which the Holocaust was a part): 60 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 50 million under the Peoples’ Republic of China; 20 million under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Whilst we speak of great holocausts let us never forget the great holocaust of Bengal perpetrated by the British Empire. Although it occurred over a larger time span that did the Nazi perpetrated one it killed many more people. It is not even thought in history books in the west yet another glaring example of British double standard. It must be understood in the context of the opium wars to really comprehended in it’s entirety. Doubt me? I challenge you to google it.
i really like what you guys are doing the swastika is a very important spiritual symbol to me and more people need to know its history
i want to help
contact me
everyoneis_wrong@hotmail.com
hurray
Ezequiel!
You always see how bad they where treated, but you seldom see them ask the question why!
The Jews has an built in tendency of not knowing their limitations and thus creating their own monster and thereby the history repeats itself.
Not to justify steeling, but are you sure that all the Jewish wealth always are created honestly?
To look at the reason for the war there are several explanations, one major factor was the Versailles Tract-ate pulled down over the Germans head, they lost most of their territory to the Jewish created and controlled Soviet Union.
Another fact is that Germany did not really invade Austria.
Hitler was probably one of the greatest statesman that ever lived but he was not a military leader. He had under his control the greatest military that was ever created since the roman empire.
Lets not get into the discussion whom what an arian is, one thing is for sure the Jews are not.
This is not the right forum for the discussion about the conclusion of the Jewish faith. Please read Voltair and you will find what I mean about this menace to the human race.
We have not seen the end of this……. the Hakekors and the Sun Cross will prevail!
Oh, come on! The national socialist(?) party was the antithesis of the swastika primordial meaning.
Do you believe hitler did not started the war? did not him invaded Austria, Poland and France, tried to invade england?
Where do the money of the jewish people went? how about all the objects of jewish families that even today apear in germany in the hands of german people? and the objects such as art work from the invaded countries that also apear in Germany?
What to say of the concentration camps with people who resembled more skeletons than living beings? not to mention the collectives graves with hundreds of corpses…
Hitler was a very inteligent and skilled military leader, but he was also a crazy megalomaniac person who wanted to found a 1000 yrs realm and kill everybody ho was not “arian” (he have no idea of the original meaning of the word arian) and it contribute to his down fall. Thank god!
Voice!
The National Socialist did not abuse the swastika, it was the Zionists (Judea) whom declared war on Germany in 1936 and managed to gather their disciples to crush the National Socials rising against world Zionist (Jewish) domination. Humanity and the thus Swastika are today paying the price.
Banning the swastika does not do justice to the ancient history of the powerful symbol. The Nazis abused the symbol, they paid for it, let us learn to accept it.
Ezequiel!
They have done a good job on you!
The archives from the war has finally been released and the holocaust lies are surfacing, the numbers does not match and a lot of the testimonies are false,
You can believe what you want, but there is another side of the story and the truth will surface!
Curtain organizations whom has been blackmailing European countries does not want the truth to be known.
The national socialists did not misuse the swastika,
Bernt , i hope you dont mind just answering me this question: Are you one of the “neo-nazis” ho claim that the holocaust was a myth? Do you actually beleive that the nazis did not kill millions (at lesat hundred of thousants…) etnical and religious minorities like jews, gipsies, slavs, unwanted people like mentally ill people and gays, pows etc…?
Do you think Hittler was not responsible for an world war where millions died and he did not used the money he stolen from the jews to sponsor his army and his megalomaniac dream of conquering earth and stabilish an kindow that would last 1000 yrs?
To me Hittler was the perfect model for the antichirsty or for that demoniac crazy egocentric villains we see in action movies..
Scroll down http://www.theism.co.uk for artwork about the “Rainbow Swastika” created through revelation at the Golden Gate, Jerusalem (where the Messiah is supposed to arrive) on Millennium Eve 1999/2000.
. Anonymous :
We forgive you for your vulgar expression of opinion, either you are Jewish or just victim to indoctrination.
Please start reading the history with an scrutinizing objective mind and don’t believe everything that comes from the Zionist propaganda machine.
Nazis and Hitler are filthy racsist pecies of shit, thats my honest and educated oppinion.
The 54th Infantry Division where right when removing the swastika as they where not fighting their own war , but fighting the for Zionists whom declared war on Germany in 1936.
The war is not over …….. and history is not completed.
I wonder if the guy ho said the spanish are not white have ever been to spain or seen a spaniard in his life… if the spanish are not white then neither are the italians, the portuguese and the greeks. When people talk about the white murdering and conguering the indians i am pretty sure they are including the spanish and the portuguese on the prior group.
The spanish and the portuguese did bad things to the indians in south america but today most of the people in most of the south americans countrys have substantial native indian blood. The worst the europeans did in latin america is to strip the indians out of their culture and make then feel so inferior that many of them became spanish and portuguese wannabe.
About the swastica thing, i am aware of its primordial meaning but many people are not and if i saw sombody with one it would be natural for me to thing he is a nazi, specially if the person is white lol.
Thanks to Nicholas for pointing out that the swastika in India is different from the German swastika. That is the basis for the discoveries by the symbologist Dr. Rex Curry: the German symbol was given a sowilo rune appearance and eventually turned 45 degrees to the horizontal and always pointed in the S-direction as alphabetical symbolism for “socialism” under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Indeed, German socialists did not even call their symbol a swastika. It was Hakenkreuz (hooked cross) because it was a type of cross.
The swastika became known as the Socialist Cross because of Christian Socialists in the USA, including Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy. Edward Bellamy also worked closely with the Theosophical Society. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg Swastikas were used to denote overlapping S-letters for “socialism” in the USA and later under the National Socialist German Workers Party and elsewhere. The double-S letters of the hooked cross also denoted the socialist dogma of self-sacrifice, even to the ultimate degree (the cross or crucifix was used as a means of execution and/or self sacrifice). It also gained quasi-religious status as the cross of socialism through its use in the worship of government and socialism. http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html
The other poster’s comment about the 45th infantry division of the Sooner Soldiers is erroneous. For more information see
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
The 54th Ifantry Division had a patch that was red with a gold Swastika. This symbolized honor in which all the Native Americans ha faught in ww2.
The 54th Infantry Division called their swastika the “thunderbird”. It was proudly warn on the right shoulders of the the division’s members.
Shortly after the Nazis took power in Germany in the year 1942, The 54th Infantry Division’s Swastika was ruined and was torn from all uniforms of the 54th Ifantry Division. This was a problem for The 54th Ifantry Division. Thay had to ban the sacored Swastika! For many weeks, Evan months, The 54th Ifantry Division had no insignia.Shortly after, The 54th Infantry Division held a contest to decide on the new insignia. The 54th Infantry Division’s logo today is an actual bird. they kept the origonal red and gold, But it’s not a Swastika.
Berent, THe swastika in India is different from the German swastika. If you google the hindu swastika, You could see a lot of differences. I know this beacuse I have done alot of research on the swastika. Hindus people were here long before Hitler and the nazis. thanks!!! and good luck to everyone who runs this site. Peace out!
Berent, THe swastika in india is different from the German swastika. If you google the hindu swastika, You could see a lot of differences I know this beacuse I have done alot of research on the swastika. Hindus people were here long before Hitler and the nazis. thanks!!! and good luck to everyone who runs this site. Peace out!
Swastik in India
Hindu fundamentalist groups praise Hitler’s leadership skills. A college poll a few years ago showed he was perceived as an ideal leader. Books and videos of him are top sellers. Most patrons prefer to call Cross Cafe by its previous name. Plates and cups still bear the Hitlers’ Cross logo, with a Nazi swastika in place of the “O.”
im doing this for report for school also.
i think banning the swastika is dumb. i have a tattoo and it represents good luck.
i think banning the swastika is dumb. i have a tattoo and it reprsents good luck
omg this is so stupid i have to write a 500 word essay on the meaining of the swastica cuz i drew one in school to represent peace and my teaching is making me write and essay on why not to draw somthing that means peace i mean comon isnt this the stupidest thing uve ever heard?!!??!?!
Nicholas!
Indoctrination and misunderstanding is wide spread on both sides of the fence.
Swastika and the Sun wheel will remain being used by the National Socialist Movement as a sign of good fortune.
There are today many successful nations that are today run under the National Socialist system where the inhabitants benefit from freedom and social benefits under a collective run government. It may be called something else but is governed by cooperation between Government, trade unions and the union of private enterprises. The laws from the German occupation where not dismantled but put into use in a society that continued after the war.
The Swastika and the Sun Wheel will remain powerful symbols and will raise again once the indoctrination by the so called victories will be understood and dismantled and put in the history books as biggest lie ever invented.
. I printed out a pre war post card
that has a black cat sorrounded by a bunch of four leaf clovers, a horse shoe and a swastika. In other words, The Swastika Is not just a religous symbol, It also is sopposed to be a plain good luck charm. the arms of the swastika stand for Love, Luck, Life, and Light. We all know Htler was a filtey hiddious person, But the more we fear the swatika, We are just making the Nazis mre powerful. If we can cleanse the Swastika, We can make history and run the Nazi party down for good. I want to send pictures of swastikas that I hove or that I’ve discovered, But I don’t know how. another reason to get this symbol from extinction is it may cause another holocaust. The Ku Klux Klan is still reaching it’s peak, They’re stiil secretly killing african amaricans. There is a large Nazi party in MInniapolis Called the National Sotcalist Movement (NSM) whom still threaten the lives of many blacks and jewish people today.
Hi. it’s me. I printed out a pre war post card
that has a black cat sorrounded by a bunch of four leaf clovers, a horse shoe and a swastika. In other words, The Swastika Is not just a religous symbol, It also is sopposed to be a plain good luck charm. the arms of the swastika stand for Love, Luck, Life, and Light. We all know Htler was a filtey hiddious person, But the more we fear the swatika, We are just making the Nazis mre powerful. If we can cleanse the Swastika, We can make history and run the Nazi party down for good. I want to send pictures of swastikas that I hove or that I’ve discovered, But I don’t know how. another reason to get this symbol from extinction is it may cause another holocaust. The Ku Klux Klan is still reaching it’s peak, They’re stiil secretly killing african amaricans. There is a large Nazi party in MInniapolis Called the National Sotcalist Movement (NSM) whom still threaten the lives of many blacks and jewish people today.
Hi. it’s me. I printed out a pre war post card
that has a black cat sorrounded by a bunch of four leaf clovers, a horse shoe and a swastika. In other words, The Swastika Is not just a religous symbol, It also is sopposed to be a plain good luck charm. the arms of the swastika stand for Love, Luck, Life, and Light. We all know Htler was a filtey hiddious person, But the more we fear the swatika, We are just making the Nazis mre powerful. If we can cleanse the Swastika, We can make history and run the Nazi party down for good. I want to send pictures of swastikas that I hove or that I’ve discovered, But I don’t know how. another reason to get this symbol from extinction is it may cause another holocaust. The Ku Klux Klan is still reaching it’s peak, They’re stiil secretly killing african amaricans. There is a large Nazi party in MInniapolis Called the National Sotcalist Movement (NSM) whom still threaten the lives of many blacks and jewish people today. The moral of this story is, FIGHT THEM BACK!!!
Dom!
It is all a matter of opinion, not everybody think of the National Socialists as something evil.
They don’t have a monopoly of wartime atrocities, neither past nor present.
Should we ban the US flag because the illegally invaded Iraq.
Unfortuantley the swastika will always be remebered to symbolise Nazism, facism etc. No one will ever forget world war 2 so its highly unlikey you will see ‘friendly’ swastikas in the future.
Chase Freedom Swastika
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6647037537971619325
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Video Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-Q0Amthc4
Thanks for the comment about Malaysia. It (and Singapore) is influenced by the Peoples Action Party). A recent Opinion Editorials column gained attention for showing the swastika’s modern use as overlapping S-shapes for “Socialism.” The column, which exposed the British Union of Fascists and National Socialists and its logo (an S-shaped lightning bolt for “Socialists”), led to new discoveries regarding symbolism in the Peoples Action Party (PAP) of Singapore.
http://rexcurry.net/peoples-action-party-pap-singapore-socialism.html
The PAP began as a socialist party and adopted as its logo the same S-shaped symbolism of the British Union of Fascists and National Socialists (BUFNS). The noted historian Dr. Rex Curry (author of “Swastika Secrets”) has established that the PAP’s logo originated as an “S” letter for “Socialists.”
http://rexcurry.net/british-union-of-fascists-sir-oswald-mosley.html
Wikipedia is announcing the amazing discoveries concerning the PAP and the BUFNS. Recent articles at opinioneditorials.com report on the many references to the research on Wikipedia. Even Wikipedia’s founder Jimbo Wales has publicly commented on Dr. Curry’s influence on Wikipedia. His work is probably the most referenced historical research on Wikipedia. The work has been reviewed and verified by wikipedia writers. Some Wikipedia writers use Dr. Curry’s work without attribution in apparent attempts to bolster their own credibility.
Of course, Wikipedia is a glorified anonymous bulletin board and is constantly changed, often at the hands of vandals and even neo-nazis. A recent web search for “British Union of Fascists and National Socialists” showed Dr. Curry’s work at the top and indicated that no wikipedia article exists. Wikipedia gives the mis-impression that the BUFNS never existed, or that its name-change never occurred. It is common comic revisionist history air-brushed at wakipedia.
Amazon.com adopted as its policies recommendations advocated by Dr. Curry to combat neo nazism like that on wikipedia.
http://rexcurry.net/amazon-com-book-reviews-tags-discussions.html
The PAP smeared its way onto the political scene in 1954 when it was formed by English-educated middle-class men who had returned to Singapore from Britain. The PAP became a member of the Socialist International. The PAP logo has a double connotation for “Singapore Socialists.” The S-letter is red and thereby consistent with the socialist symbolism of the color under German socialism, Soviet socialism, and Chinese socialism.
http://rexcurry.net/peoples_action_party_pap_logo_singapore_socialist_swastikas.gif
The PAP’s logo supports Dr. Curry’s discovery that the swastika was used as alphabetic symbolism for overlapping “S” letters for “socialism” under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg
Just got back from Malaysia and found quite a few swastika’s on advertisement boars and in design in houses. I made a few photo’s and can send them if you want.
As a kid i was, and still am, fascinated by this symbol. To hear that they want to forbid the swastika in Europe (where i reside) is so typical of the politics here. Very patronizing!
OK we have a bad history on the subject and i know older people, like my family, have an association connected to the swastika, and the symbol brings out bad memories which is completely understandable but as a postwar person I look at the history, misuse etc, have a broader perspective. I just hope they will not forbid the use. It’s a beautifull and powerfull looking symbol.
If some neo-nazi can’t wear the swastika, will that get rid of his fascist ideas? I don’t think so… Forbidding things does not make things disappear.
Anyway, I think this symbol will last for a long time, probably longer than humans will roam the earth.
Thank you Premasagar. I checked your discussion forum and realized that there is a confusion of which form of swastika is turning clock-wise and which anti clock-wise. In Yundgrung Bon, Buddhism, Taosim and Shinto the direction of the swastika’s rotation is determined by its ‘hands’. If hands are pointing to the right then it is clock-wise Swastika, if hands are pointing to the left then it is anti clock-wise swastika. So, if we are talking of the swastika used by the Nazis it is the clock-wise Swastika turning to the right in the the sun-wise movement. I beleive in Hindusim they understand it in the same way.
There is generally a lot of confusion about this matter so it is important to clarify it. I think some people considered that the ‘hands’ of the swastika are somehow showing the ‘tale’, trace of the movement and so interpret the sawstika’s direction in the opposite way of what it actually is. It is a relatively late phenomenon which probably appeared in Europe when the swastika lost its spiritual significance and was used just as an ornament
In any case, there is no negative direction, as you said, but there are different functions which are symbolized by the direction of swastika’s rotation. If you look into the tantric art of Tibetan Buddhism and Bon you will see they use both swastikas for different purposes. While on the more common level Buddsim is characterised by the right-turning sawstika and Bon by the left-turning one.
I still think you should update your Symbolsm section as it presents a limited view.
Sarwa Mangalam,
Lhagon
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@Ihagon (comments 1 & 2) – Thank you for your thoughtful comment and for citing references. The point you raise has come up before, both here and on the related Flickr discussion group. It is true that different cultures and traditions use the swastika in different ways and have different understandings of its meaning. This particular website is concerned with the school of Yantra – an ancient, intuitional study of the nature of form and its effect on the mind.
Yantra has the understanding that the swastika form (in the direction shown on this site) leads the mind through evolution, towards one’s deepest spiritual goal. It considers that the mirror-image of this form stimulates involution, the opposite direction for the mind. Many ancient cultures have based their use of the swastika on this, though clearly others have not.
It seems impossible that all people and cultures could interpret the world in an identical way – we can but present our own understanding. I hope that on this at least we can agree.
You raise an interesting question – how could Nazis fly the swastika and yet carry out destruction at the same time?
The symbol seems to have been used by Nazism in the hope that it would bestow success to what it considers the highest philosophy. However, the philosophy seems clearly short of the universal, eternal and non-material unity promoted by the swastika.
I do not consider the swastika to be a ‘good luck’ charm that grants all wishes to the wearer. It depends on what those wishes are and whether they are with the same intention as the swastika. The swastika is for spiritual victory and not material success.
@Simon – Thank you!
yes i think so too, it is a symbol of peace and everyone should know about that, it’s a shame that it has been misused and it lead to the misunderstanding of the true meaning. i spent a year in south africa when i once saw an indian buddhism painting at a market that contained about 20 swastikas. this way i learned that it’s a positive sign. there is no information about this fact here in germany, but i’ll try promoting this site to help spreading the “news” =) thank you guys!
Collin
What you are saying only shows how total the indoctrination and brainwashing has been since the war. Thanks to statue of limitation the archives from the camps etc. are now been released and the true lies behind the HoloCa$h industry can now be documented.
The HoloCa$h industry are no fighting to ban any critics and symbols than can lead to the understanding of the blackmail that they with the help of Jew$A has been performing against European countries.
If they succeed in banning the Swastika the symbol will only increase in strength.
i also want to say something sad. i am a child and i have a blocker on my computer, so i did an image search for “swastica” and it was blocked for hate and discrimination. plus i asked a few kids at school if they knew how to draw a swastica. they couldnt. i asked them isf they could draw a “nazi symbol” and they said oooo ok and drew a perfectly fine swastica.
This is a good website. why should the symbol be shun all because the nazis misused it 60 years ago. i think it should be taken back in as a symbol of peace.
well this is a very good website i think it should be promoted, that is the thing this site is lacking!!!
Hi there! I see no-one picked up on the subject of my posting and I see your presentation on the meaning of swastika in the Symbolism remains unchanged. There you have:
“He then went on to warn those present not to use the negative swastika, explaining that it brings total annihilation, while the positive swastika brings total victory.”
The scholar you quote does not possess the complete knowledge about the symbolism of swastika and pushes the limited interpretation based on his religious belief as if it was theuniversal truth. That is clearly unacceptable.
As i said in the previous posting anti clock-wise turning swastika is a very positive symbol in such religions as Yungdrung Bon of Tibet, Shinto of Japan and Daoism of China as well as in Chinese Buddhism. The phjoto from the Chinese temple with the swastika design in the window you show in the Photos is actually taken from inside. If you look at that swastika from outside it turns anti clock-wise. You can see anti clock-wise turning swastika on the chests of countless Buddha statues in China and Japan. No-one can say that that is negative!
Secondly, if the positive direction of rotation of swastika was so fixed then how was it possible that it served as the symbol of destruction taken over by the Nazis? Why didn’t they use anti clock-wise version of swastika?
‘Negative’ and ‘positive’ are relative categories and easily change depending on cultural, religious and historical context. So I suggest that whoever is responsible for the presentation on this site keeps an open mind and updates the presentation on symbolism which is one sided and thus untrue. If you need more information on what I said just type Yungdrung Bon in your browser or check Daoist, Shinto and Chinese Buddhist sites.
If you continue keeping your presentation as it is and all your claims of being open and dedicated to the rehabilitation of the swastika will remain just a hot air as you will be effectively disseminating one-sided , biased and ultimately false information, which will lead peopl to develop wrong ideas about this ancient symbol.
All the best toall!
Om swasti!
Lhagon
I have a couple of points I wish to make regarding the return of the EU’s threat to ban the swastika.
Firstly, I think that banning the symbol in the hope to end a chapter in history and weaken the neo-nazi movement could possibly have the reverse effect.
By banning the symbol the EU is giving it a certain status: implying that the neo-nazi movement is
something to be feared and thus turning the activists into rebels and revolutionaries.
Wouldn’t it be a bolder step to say that we will not let those few pages in history blacken the future; that we can reinstate the positive power and significance that the swastika has held for many thousands of years?
Secondly, while I have been aware of the spiritual symbolism of the swastika for a few years, it was while I was helping with the content for this website that I began to explore the history of its symbolism in more depth.
It was through this exploration and contemplation of the swastika that I came to a much deeper understanding and appreciation of the swastika as a purely spiritual symbol, beyond any social or historical context.
In my opinion, an EU decision to ban the swastika would be based on fear and ignorance, which are the exact sentiments that the swastika, in its original usage, can help us to break through.
adding on…
stop calling hitler’s emblem swastika. he himself called it Hakenkreuz, literally a hook cross. those of you who don’t, check out the symbol. ban the hakenkreuz!! i fully support that.
finally, the people of Israel need to understand the statute of limitations. this issue is about 60yrs old. get over it.
the people of india have long got over it’s numerous conquerors. and “recently” the britts.
ban the cross too. the KKK used a burning cross. and the KKK represents racism.
Hello to all! i was very glad to see that people are fighting to preserve the use of swastika as a religious symbol of good in the EU. However, I must point out that in your representation on Symbolism you broadcast a grave misinterpretation of the meaning of the swastika which turns anti clock-wise which will mislead people and further contribute to demonisation of this powerful and extremely ancient symbol. Contrary to what you claim in the Symbolism anti clock-wise swastika doesn’t mean evil at all! In ancient tradition of Yungdrung Bon of Tibet it is a symbol of Eternal Light – the state of Buddha and is called Yungdrung. Yungdrung Bon was preached by the Buddha Tonpa Shenrab Miwo in Central Asia 18.000 years ago before the Indian Buddha Shakyamuni appeared on this earth. In the context of Yungdrung Bon the swastika turning clock-wise represent the solar movement and general direction of this material world. Swastika turning anti clock-wise represent reversal of this movement and return to the source – Natural State from which all creation sprang. So, you see, there is nothing sinister or negative about that! Chinese Daoism, Japanese Shinto and many other ancient religions use anti clock-wise rotating swastika in the same sense. So, in fact, this anti clock-wise direction of rotation of the swastika bears and extremely positive meaning from the times immemorable. Therefore, if you really wish to put your cause right I strongly suggest that you update your presenation on symbolism of swastika and keep an open mind! I could go on and on but I think this will suffice for now.
Good Luck to everyone!
Om Swasti!
Lhagon
Tim!
Should the US flag be banned because your president Bush has committed atrocities in Iraq?
Banning the right of 800 million Hindus in the world to use their religious symbol? Why?? Just because India is a poor nation and still under represented on the world stage. West must understand that the tide is changing. Go visit China and see the new world – if you think Japan is different. India will overtake US as the 2nd biggest economy by 2050 ( refer Morgan Stanley’s 2007 report).
Did one ever think of banning the use of a Cross? Has it not been used by the KKK, the crusaders…and above all the romans who cricified Jesus?
Wake up west. Stop calling 1, 2, 3 as Arabic numbers. They were invented by India – so correct your self. Stop saying Indians to Native Americans. Indians are from India. Grow up.
The importance of this symbol is stained eternally by its use in Nazi Germany…and it needs to die with them. I am not Jewish (American of Irish extraction). Incredible how just a little over one generation later, a new generation should postulate such a travesty. It would not hurt us or this planet to ban this symbol forever and a day because of who and what tainted it…and how they tainted it. If they had used a crucufix as their symbol, I would be just as adamant about banning that. As it is, when I see those little fish symbols on a Hummer or giant SUV, it is all I can do to stop myself from ramming them from behind. I know almost exactly who and what will be driving them. Symbols can and will be and are misused and thereby destroyed and made inviable and/or meaningless (or have their meaning made into everlasting horrors!). The Nazis made this one into something it shall forever be from now on, and there is no retreat and no forgetting, as far as I can see forever! (One man’s strong opinion)
Hi Maus,
thanks for your email where you give an Israeli perspective of the swastika. I agree that Naziism was a stain on the page of human history, and that many ongoing questions arise out of that brutal chapter – such as, how easy it is for otherwise good people to accept and follow authority figures even as they perpetuate evil acts. This is going on now all of the world – not only in governments, but in corporations, businesses, organisations of all sizes, even families. These are the big, perennial lessons that human beings – individual humans – need to confront and deal with. We are on a steep learning curve as a civilisation.
Still, we need to be careful in recognising the expression of one form of evil, we don’t – in our reaction – end up perpetuating another type of evil. This is another big lesson all of us have to confront daily. “Dogma” is such an evil – it imposes a rigid boundary line on the mind and declares: “no one can pass beyond that boundary”. This, too, has brought untold suffering to humanity in the past, and is still doing so today. As many have expressed on this website, the swastika symbol does not belong to naziis – nor even Hindus. It belongs to humanity, and in it’s essence is a symbol of hope and goodness with a long, ancient history. It is tempting on account of it’s abuse last century to try to remove the symbol from the face of the earth, but this could be compared to throwing out the baby with the bath water. Moreover, will that really solve the problem?
The real problem was naziism – which is itself simply the outward form of human defects that were allowed to run riot. Hence, there are two parts:
1. negative human propensities (defects) and
2. social governance that allowed those human defects to amplify, organise and seize a nation.
The lesson of that cruel chapter in human history is to show us the dire need to make progress in both those parts. This is not an impossible task.
As regards part 1, these defects in human beings can be confronted, worked with, channelised and sublimated – our societies are doing this constantly in respect of certain perceived defects. Many other defects – negative human propensities – are still yet to be recognised (though all are knowable, indeed, known if we were to look to the combined wisdom of all our human cultures), so these things are allowed to go on, amplify and, even, seize hold of a whole society.
Part 2, concerns our approach to government. This also needs to undergo a much fuller process of development. Viewed overall, there is some progress in this regard – but it is still, not enough. I use the example of Rwanda – another genocide campaign, another blight on human history. The United Nations were hopelessly under-resourced to deal with that situation, and the powerful nations – serving their own narrow agendas – refused to give support. The Dafur crisis in west Sudan is another case in point, as is the US and British invasion of the Middle East. The list goes on.
The fact is, these exploitative regimes, based on defective ideologies will not, in the long run survive. Humanity is evolving, and will continue to do so. We can all be part of that incessant struggle to build the new humanity.
It is inspiring to see that you are confronting dogma in your own life in your working and socialising with Arab people. This is a good thing. This is how ordinary, good human beings will, in the end, change this world.
dada
Ghanashyam Master
Is the Nordic Sun Wheel the same as the Swastika or a complete different symbol?
Your comments about the Jews imposing their systems on others is correct, but unfortunately it has already happened and are increasing.
Their economic system is already holding all the world economies as hostage, under the swastika we can free the world from this evil.
Dear Friends,
The world over agrees that what happened to the Jews in the short years was a terrible terrible period in human history.
The Jews should understand that the Swastika belongs to Hindus not to Christian or Hitler’s army.
They have to accept some things as fact of life.
Jews will alienate themselves if they impose their values on others.
Swastika is a sign of purity (if used in the proper manner and a sign of evil as used by the Nazis.
Let’s propagate the sign on purity.
What are the politicians going to ban next?
Why have they not banned the words Nazi, Hitler, Germany etc.etc.?
MAUS
No sense of getting into this discussion, the National Socialist believed that their cause was just as the Jews did when the occupied Palestine.
The is a reason for everything and any action triggers of a counter reaction.
Lets agree that to ban the Swastika is wrong whom ever is using it.
Listen Guys, as n Israeli, I dont care if people will use the nazi swastika for what ever reason, in Israel it is sometimes being used to humiliate people plus show hatred, thats trough, tonz of associations have been made for this, and i learn archeaology my self, and i can tell you that in some synagoges from the roman period a swastika was part of the decoration, but as a child that graw up in a jewish country, i can tell you that when ever i see this sign no metter what it tells, im beening disturbed, because for me it simbolise pure evil but more than that, it simbolize ignorance! of people who dont now what MAN capable of! it simbolize that i must stand for freedom, the right of all sentient beings if you whant to hate, fine, but first open a book or two, visit museums, visit israel, see all over the world, see nations dying! no only jews have been slaughterd of course but it was the largest scale, y? for nothing! even the situation with palestinians is hard, each day they are fighting within them selfs and with us and stragle for self decleration and country, me, myself i saw it with my own two eyes, soon they’ll have their own country, the moment a solid regamie will merge there i dont care if it’ll be Hamas or Phatach, i dont care if they’ll hate us or not IT will be. the wold is always silent, no metter what some people of X group/nation/race does ITS WRONG TO GENOSIDE ! why punish millions for shit one two tree for 1000 did, i can say it on any group or nation and blame anygroup or nation for something they did, why follow one man’s orders? because he said so, im cring when i write it…. and yes the swastika mark all of this things to me and to everyone, dont lie to yourselfs, every symbol got his meaning, so use it as much as you like but please be aware of the outcome, plus the nazis adopted to swastika as cover story that they’re manifesto is good to humenity and its probebly not, please take care of your self and dont be stupid, please judge everything you read dont just belive there is no one truth the truth is in the eyes of the beholder please remember that, as a young person who saw how war’s look like, sound like and smell like, please belive me its not worth it, i saw my friends drop dead because of two people (our leaders – israeli/arab) who didnt compromise, in my country father grieve on sun that grieve on father and mother always dont understants who to blame, day by day i go to work, and in work i have arab friends, i talk arab language, and belive me we all feel the same so please, when you use symbol like this, think twice and try to adopt other symbols like peace sign, 10x, Nimrod.
p.s. – Sorry for any speling mistakes, im not a english native speaker, but i do know how to spell SORROW!
Premasagar!
Unfortunately it looks like you are completely out of date or simply Jewish. You should look at this link
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/12783 and not salute the crying of these people whom has been able to blackmail European governments for millions since WWII.
Guidelines are only needed if you intend to depress
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@Bernt – Thank you for pointing out that I like to be indoctrinated and deny seeing the truth! I never knew that… and there I was thinking it was the opposite!
I think that this forum would be most constructive when the different views and references that people make are discussed in a rational way. We could all learn something by this. However, I think it is not so constructive to make judgements about the people who post here.
I feel that the forum needs some guidelines, to help it move in a constructive way. Any suggestions for guidelines are welcome…
Premasagar !
Unfortunately there are people like you whom prefer to see the history in the popular indoctrinated fashion and denying themselves to to see the truth..
The law has yet tobepassed!!!!!!!!
Here are some fascinating new discoveries by the noted historian Dr. Rex Curry concerning the American swastika during WWI and WWII
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
and swastika style symbolism by the British Union of Fascists and National Socialists, and by the Singapore’s socialist People’s Action Party.
http://rexcurry.net/british-union-of-fascists-sir-oswald-mosley.html
Bernt, that seems a very simplistic and skewed statement…(?)
Chris – Thanks, I had never noticed the Microsoft swastika before…
Yes, in the JEW$SA controlled Germany the Jews are pushing to make a new law making it illegal to use the Swastika.
Would this famous logo be a victim of the new law?
This is ridiculous. Should the USA be banned from using the eagle as a symbol because the Nazis used it? Of course not. Why should Hindus, Buddhists and Jayans be banned from using the swastika
The ban on the swastika is indeed very absurd. It only shows the ignorance of some people.
Of course, the nazi-swastika represents hatred, and is offensive to many people. But that may not be an excuse to outlaw a symbol of luck, that is thousand of years old.
I think the world is getting totally absurd, by the way. Only last week, a theological convention in saudi-Arabia proposed to outlow the letter X, because it has to much similarities with the cross of the christians.
How stupid can some people get ?
“Missuse by the nazis”; noone has a copyright or anything on such a symbol, and the nazis found something that they liked and that gave their regime a concrete and unmistakable symbol to flag with, from their point of view, perfect.
The nazi regime is however long gone now, but the symbol persists with a different meaning in different cultures, associate it with what you want!
If people stopped being so god damn negative about everything, then the so called neo nazis would probably change symbol to something else, and someone else would start complaining. Since there’s something called free speech, there ain’t no point trying to fight nazism or nazi-wise use of the swastika all day long, so let’s all get together and make a brand new symbol for ‘em to use until they eventually drop their beliefs.
It is really shocking to see how ignorance strikes, once again, this time in Germany.
I feel I’d like to propose to ban Germans… Why not? And ban the cross also, since I was used by ku klux klan…
Hi Louise,
Thanks for posting.
I would say that it sounds wonderful for a child to associate the swastika with its spiritual meaning right from the start.
The day will come when he will be confronted with the knowledge that the symbol has been abused by some people – and used for terrible actions. This may be confusing and upsetting to him, but I think it would be better to have the original, positive understanding first and then learn about the negatives later… rather than starting off with the negative and then trying to understand the positive later.
I can imagine that it might be confusing to friends and relatives if he was to start doodling swastikas out of nursery. But I guess that this would be a good opportunity to teach others about the swastika too…
I would like your thoughts please…
I have just collected my son from nursery, he is almost three years old. The children at nursery have been drawing swastika’s and learning about its spiritual meaning.
My concerns are that at such a young age, my son can not understand the meaning that the swatskita has to different people.
Dada Ravi , you will be surprised how many don’t share you view that the Nazi use of the swastika was eval.
http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swastika_intro.htm
this site says a lot about the history of the swastika from a rational point of view!
I have written a novel: THE SWASTIKA STAR, in 2004, in norwegian, published in Norway, about the long history of the swastika, and the novel also adresses swastika-related topics as the ill fate of mother nature nowadays and sex. I am looking for a german, english, spanish, french or greek PUBLISHER. The novel even describes the Katrina Hurricane of 2005 one year before it happened! My e-mail-adress is berbez@yahoo.no and my name is Bertrand Besigye. I am an awarded writer in Norway.
Seppo Lehto official pro svastika man is going to participate parliamentary elections in 3 month 2007 in Finland
http://hakaristi.blogspot.com greetings to you all
Thanks Tinny Ray for your interesting posting linking the use of the swastika and the arm salute to 19th Century USA. The links, too, were very interesting, especially the photos showing the american school children using a straight-arm salute to the flag. Your suggestion that the continued ritual of saluting the US flag today has turned americans from being “libertarians” to “authoritarians”, was also interesting, if not, something of a generalisation.
Of course, saluting a flag in itself is not necessarily a problem. I would suggest that it depends entirely on what that flag and the ritual connected to it represents. If it is used in support of an ideology or regime that is tyrannical, oppressive and exploitative, then the practice is negative. If the ideology represented by the flag is universal, moral and committed to humanist (and neo-humanist) ideals, then the saluting of the flag can be a very powerful and positive practice.
Of course, with a few rare exceptions, we all accept that the nazi salute of flag and fuhrer, falls within the negative
expression of this ancient practice.
Dear Friends,
After going through lot of sites (also the link provided by Brian), My knowledge & understanding of swastika has evolved tremendously.Here in my land of origin of swastika ,I consulted lots of scholars & came to the conclussion that the orientation of swastika is merely an illusion created by few of ignorant people.The real significance of swastika doesn’t lies in it’s pros or cons or use by any community worldwide but the scientific significance it carries.In any of the form the swastika always represents a +ve outlook to life &/or group,sect or individual.
Hope to get a +ve feedback from u all.
Thanks Brian for your wonderful insight into the matter of orientation.we are looking forward to explore the links sent by you.
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007…………… to U all
This is addressed to McIntyre: Regarding the Nazis, you have been duped by neo-nazis and others who post to Wikipedia. You should not cite an anonymous bulletin board. By citing the anonymous bulletin board, you are duped into never using the actual name of the group you discuss: the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It makes people think that you do not know that there was no “Nazi Party” and that they did not call themselves that, and it is behavior similar to many on Wikipedia who cover-up for what the Nazis actually called themselves (they did NOT call themselves Nazis). Also, the anonymous bulletin board duped you into making readers wonder if you know that German National Socialists did not call their symbol a “Swastika.” Your comments suggest that you are unaware of the amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry concerning swastika symbolism. Your comments about the Aryan word have no support because there is none to cite as shown by the anonymous bulletin board. By citing it you commit the same error in that you fail to mention even once in passing that German National Socialists believed that their socialism was part of their “superior” society or race (what you call their Aryan fixation). That leads to your failure to even mention the use by German Socialists of the swastika as alphabetic symbolism of overlapping “S” letters for their “socialism.” Thus even your early quote from the notorious book by the German Socialist leader shows that he altered the swastika to use it a alphabetic symbolism, because when he used the term Aryan, he included in that term his fanatical dogma – his self-described socialism – a word you never even mention in his regard.
If you want to “rescue” the swastika from German National Socialism, stop repeating wikipedia’s Nazi propaganda about Aryan ideas that attempt to tie the swastika into India etc. You never address the fact that the German National Socialist leader knew early on that the swastika could point either direction and that it was, in Germany, usually flat on one side. It is clear that at some point, he oriented future uses to highlight the “S” orientation and he turned it 45 degrees to the horizontal also, for alphabetic symbolism. All of this you miss because you rely on an anonymous bulletin board.
Swastikas symbols as alphabetic symbolism originated in the USA where it was adopted later by the Nazis.
Nazis adopted the modern swastika symbol as overlapping S letter symbolism for “socialism,” as shown in the research of the noted historian Dr. Rex Curry.
It had also been used as S symbolism for socialism by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
http://rexcurry.net/ussr-socialist-swastika-cccp-sssr.html
Many people do not know that the term “Nazi” means “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” and that members of the horrid group did not call themselves Nazis, but called themselves socialists.
Swastikas as alphabetic symbolism began in the USA as early as 1875 and continued through the creation of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (German Nazis or NSGWP).
http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html
Also see http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
The NSGWP had clear roots in National Socialism promoted by socialists in the USA.
The USA also originated flag fetishism, robotic group-chanting to flags, Nazi salutes, and Nazism.
The “Nazi salute” is more accurately called the “American salute” as it was created and popularized by national socialists in the USA where its use was mandated by law in government schools for three decades before, and through, the creation of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It was the early gesture of the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
The original pledge was anti libertarian and began with a military salute that then stretched out toward the flag. In actual use, the second part of the gesture was performed with a straight arm and palm down by children casually performing the forced ritual chanting. Due to the way that both gestures were used sequentially in the pledge, the military salute led to the Nazi salute. The Nazi salute is an extended military salute via the USA’s pledge.
The Pledge’s early salute caused quite a Fuhrer/furor. The dogma behind the Pledge was the same dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 62 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 49 million under the Peoples’ Republic of China; 21 million under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It was the worst slaughter of humanity ever.
The USA is still the worst example in the world of bizarre laws that require robotic chanting to a national flag in government schools (socialist schools) every day for 12 years. It has changed generations of Americans from libertarians to authoritarians. The government bamboozled individuals into believing that robotic group-chanting in government schools is a beautiful expression of freedom. Frightening photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
I have accumulated tons of facts on the swastika and its origins at http://destinationom.typepad.com/omswastika
To clarify the right and left facing arguments…Buddhist, Jains, Hindus, and other religions alike have used the Swastika in both the left and right facing manner (unlike some people that chose to believe that Hitler reversed it to right facing to have it mean the opposite of all that is good in the universe) The left and right facing are often called the feminine and male aspects of the divine symbol.
The swastika used in Buddhist art and scripture is known as a manji (whirlwind), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. It is derived from the Hindu religious swastika, but it is not identical in meaning.
The Manji is made up of several elements- a vertical axis representing the joining of heaven and earth, a horizontal axis representing the connection of yin and yang, and the four arms, representing movement- the whirling force created by the interaction of these elements.
When facing left, it is the Omote (front facing) Manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the Ura (rear facing) Manji.
I hope this helps to clarify for some of you.
Yes Tinny …… You are absolutely right that it is very difficult to imagine the correct orientation.Altough I have seen use of both the versions in many situations but was speculating whether either of them have any negative effects on our personal lives.I know it may sound somewhat non-scientific but again you actually come to know it’s real significance in terms of it’s acceptance world wide throughout the ages.
The Communist Zionists in USSR try to use it , without success as they had no historic claim to the Germanic Swastika. This Swastika was used by the Viking over 1000 years ago. The original Russ had claim as they also sis inherited it from the Vikings.
The Communist regime in Russia originated in USA and was financed by American Jewish organizations and had no historical claim to this symbol.
Tinny Ray Comments:
The other comment about Germany is interesting in that the use of the symbol as alphabetic lettering occurred in the USA (with the the “Sooner Soldiers” and the Theosophical Socialist Society) and in the USSR (Soviet Socialism) before Germany added its own alphabetic symbolism.
It is surprisingly difficult to understand descriptions of the orientation of the swastika symbol. For example, I was unsure what was meant by the phrase “Both vedic (Hindu) and Tantric tradition have the swastika moving anti-clockwise – means the tails are falling behind as if it were moving in the anti-clockwise direction” until the last part “as it has been represented on this website.”
Another way to make it clear is to say “S” letter shapes, similar to what was done in Germany. And another difference in Germany is that they eventually turned the symbol 45 degrees to the horizontal to further highlight the “S” letters.
Both Vedic (Hindu), Tantric, and Buddhist tend to use symbols that are flat on one side (not turned 45 degrees to the horizontal).
In that sense, the German meaning of the swastika symbol changed as with alphabetic lettering of “S” (see work of the historian Dr. Rex Curry).
The symbol in Germany was not called a swastika but was called a “Hakenkreuz†which means “hooked cross” and refers to two pieces across each other.
The other comment about Germany is interesting in that the use of the symbol as alphabetic lettering occurred in the USA (with the the “Sooner Soldiers” and the Theosophical Socialist Society) and in the USSR (Soviet Socialism) before Germany added its own alphabetic symbolism.
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
You could think of the alphabetic orientation as an “altered†symbol as it had been deliberately changed with the orientation and the diamond-shaped twisting.
The Zionists have since the war been able to block the use of the Swastika in several countries, their falsified history and hatreds against the Germanic people is the main reason for the ill reputation of the Swastika. One day the truth will be restored and so will the swastika.
Thanks Anonymous for your insight regarding the orientation of swastik.
Yes I’m also waiting for some knowledgable Buddhist to throw some light on this.Buddhism being a very scientific & practical religion must have an answer to the ill effects of reverse swastik as mentioned in this site (click on Symbolism).
Thanks……
Hi Prince, thanks for your question about the correct orientation of the swastika. Both vedic (Hindu) and Tantric tradition have the swastika moving anti-clockwise – means the tails are falling behind as if it were moving in the anti-clockwise direction – as it has been represented on this website.
But, yes, you are correct, Buddhism seem to use both directions indiscriminantly. In this sense it does not conform to Tantric tradition at all. It would be interesting to hear from any knowledgable Buddhists on this point.
Hi Every one.
I had a question relating to the correct orientation of swastika.According to the Hindu mythology,clockwise orientation is correct but I have seen left orientation in all buddhist images.Which one is correct
Kindly help me out
Your website is fascinating as well as your effort to examine the historic meanings of the symbol. You are correct not to engage in any denial or disregard for the incredible suffering of countless people in WW2.
Rather, your website highlights how far the meaning of the swastika symbol has changed from those anti-human acts. It is also interesting to note the evidence that the symbol in Germany was not called a swastika but was called a “Hakenkreuz” and that it was turned 45 degrees to the horizontal and always pointed clockwise under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazis). Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, the historian Dr. Rex Curry showed that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists as alphabetic symbolism, including meshed “S” letters for their “socialism.”
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized “S” letter for “socialist” and similar alphabetic symbolism was used in the SS division, on the Trabant car, and similar stylized lettering still shows on Volkswagens.
So in that sense it was a “different” symbol as it had been deliberately changed in Germany.
Bernt, you are right that this website is here to bring back the true meaning of a good symbol. But there is nowhere here any denial or disregard for the incredible suffering of countless people in WW2.
Rather, this website is here to highlight how far from the true meaning of the swastika those anti-human acts were. Jack, I’m sorry if you find that a dumb idea!
Jack!
Your obvious one of the millions influenced by propaganda and lies about atrocities committed against a certain people in order to blackmail and gain world power.
The web page is here to invigorate an old symbol of good fortune used by numerous civilization..
This website is dumb what happened in world war 2 was cruel and unusual
Brent there are a lot of Zionist in this world I might state that I am uneducated what I mean by that is I have never taken on board the education system in this country and did so by choice to educate myself and in doing so have studied most religions of the world or should I say have bumped into most along the way while travelling you must separate yourself from being influenced by others deep down we all know what is good and what is bad and do not need anyone else to tell us anything different so see the Fylfot as a good and bad symbol the secret is balance you must have balance to much of a good thing is bad for you just as to much of a bad thing is bad for you if everyone understood the Fylfot there would be balance unfortunately greed in this day and age is the main contender in the ring and this is what has forge us forward over the centuries soon to be no more
Estonian ban on Swastika is completely stupid, the real terrorist symbol that should be banned is the Star of David used by the Zionist state of Israel.
I would like to say at this point that I am a self educated man and I would like to apologize for any spelling mistakes and grammar
In the following months I shall show the world a
different angle to the Fylfot I have been studying
this symbol for over 40 years now and shall be
bringing forth an explanation and a greater understanding of the symbol
I have travelled the world and collected almost everything to do with the symbol regarding its history and how it is involved in everything all the way down to a blade of grass
Not bad for a person with no education
The Estonian government on Thursday approved a change to the penal code that would ban the display of Soviet and Nazi symbols and flags, saying the hammer and sickle and swastika both incite hatred.
Both the Nazi and Soviet regimes occupied Estonia at various times from 1941 to 1991, leaving bitter memories behind.
We must not let this ignorance snowball the goverments of this planit need to understand
the long term effect of such a move i dont have to explain myself as the symbol itself has a live of its own and is taking all the necessary steps to correct all that is wrong in this world people should understand the symbol does not represent evil in anyway or form the symbol points the finger at evil
there is no excape no ware to run no ware to hide
Dada Ravi,
I liked your post on how the swastikA can symbolise not only the creation but also the dynamic movement towards the supreme goal of all entities within the creation.
I wonder how this symbol came into being. Did those ancient rsiis see this symbol with their inner eye, in the same way that perhaps a developed mind might see the shapes or colors associated with a cakra in deep meditation? Did this symbol exist in the ethersphere long before the Rg veda as a tool to guide spiritual aspirants?
Or perhaps those yogiis invented the symbol themselves and infused it with a great significance.
It is true, sometimes a picture tells more than a thousand words.
Hi Paula! Great to hear that you share our aspirations to Reclaim the Swastika! All the best with your “myspace” swastika project. Try to connect, also, with the spiritual significance of the swastika. Mission on!
Hi Sarah, thanks again for expression your thoughts regarding the significance of the swastika’s symbolism. I would like now to respond to your use of the word “signpost†in relation to the swastika. You wrote that you mean signpost as “something that points us to our true self- the divine, not something that “symbolizes†the “creationâ€. Nice idea. I would suggest that there is a relatonship between one’s true self, the Supreme, and the Creation.
As i mentioned earlier, in ancient yogic culture the swastika was precisely a representation of the the Supreme Being and the creation. As i have already written, in the yogic concept the horizontal line represents Shiva (Supreme Consciousness), and the vertical intersecting line represents Shakti (the “Operative principle†that qualifies Consciousness – as i already wrote, the two together constitute the Supreme Being – they are one – two different aspects of the same One Entity – like two sides of one sheet of paper.
Now, the swastika goes further – the ancient yogii seers having realised that the Supreme Entity is the composite of Consciousness and that which qualifies consciousness, also had the realisation that the universe – the creation – was real – was truth – (at least in a “relative†sense – the Supreme being was truth in an absolute sense) – sought to depict that in the swastika symbolically by adding the arms. This represents movement – the universe is moving – everything within the creation is moving, nothing is static.
Now, this tells us another truth, namely, that the creation is inexorably connected to the Supreme – in fact, is the expression of the Supreme – technically, is the “thought projection†of the Supreme Being – that is, this entire creation is internal to the Supreme Entity. The direction of the movement of the creation is towards increasing levels of subtlety – from inanimate forms to animate life forms, and, then, at a very developed point in that cycle, we attain human life itself. Up until this point our movement is uni-directional – centripetal – towards higher levels of subtlety. According to yoga science, that uni-directional movement changes when the transmigrating soul enters a human life form. Due to it’s developed brain, nervous and endocrine systems the “self-reflecting†human consciousness possesses conscience and discriminating faculty. That is to say, we know what is right and what is wrong.
With those expanded faculties come a new responsibility – responsibility for one’s actions – namely, human beings now fall under the law of karma – for every action (we commit) there is a reaction (that we are to experience). We carry these “reactions in potential†with us – waiting until suitable conditions are met for their expression. These reactions to past actions that we carry awaiting expression, are called “samskara†in yoga science. This concept of samskara is very useful for human beings. I recommend that all those interested enquire further on this point.
Now, if we happen to lose our physical base (that is, our human body dies) before expressing those samskaras (reactions), no problem, we take them all with us into our next “incarnationâ€. The “cosmic mind†kindly provides us with another suitable body for those reactions to be expressed. Depending on the relative subtlety or crudity of those reactions we get a requisite body. Incidentally, that may or may not be a human body.
It might be added, however, that a human body has certain advantages, namely, the possibility to move consciously and in an accelerated speed in this centripetal cosmic movement back to the Supreme. Whats so great about transcending the creation and merging back into the Supreme? Let us just say, that that, as the yoga story goes, is ultimately what we all want – as the river seeks out the ocean, so we all, as divine beings seek out the Supreme, to be one in that state of Ananda – infinite, ecstatic Bliss!
To let this happen, the realised yogiis developed the various yoga practices – physical, psychic and psycho-spiritual practices that when followed sincerely lead to spiritual liberation. And that attainment of spiritual liberation we may call Spiritual Victory, the very meaning of our dear swastika!
I have recently developed an interest in reclaiming the swastika as I have found I have an appreciation for good luck symbols and such and have begun efforts to start a site on the most widely used site of them all, myspace. There I plan to give as much information with as many links as possible to site stating the truth about the symbol. I also believe it’s unfair that other religions are looked down upon for their use of the symbol. It’s unfair in numerous ways and i love the truth. So thank you for telling the truth and attemtimg to reclaim the purity, if you will, of the svastika.
For you out there looking for answers try this link
http://www.heathenworld.com/swastika/
Fully agree with Kalki, the Swastika is a powerful symbol and should be used with conduit. Certain people have due to unlimited greed and hunger for world dominance been able to put a limitation to the use.
Around the world the Swastika has different shape, to the Germanic people it is the Sun Wheel that has a religious meaning. The Vikings used the Swastika as well as the Sun wheel, they both have the same powerful meaning.
The Swastika will again be symbol of religion and freedom from oppression and explotation
Dear Internet Visitors,
Subject: Why do you discriminate Swastik and Hitler? :: Open http://www.swastik.org :: Read Chapter 3
I am Owner of http://www.swastik.org, I spent nearly 4 years to develop this website. I have been seeing discrimination of Blacks, Swastik and Hitler for last 10 years. At last I want to disclose some secretes of Swastik and Hitler. Definition of Swastik is Lord Vishnu’s Vishnu Chakra, It is not SWASTIK_A but it is SWASTIK. Character A shouldn’t be there at the end of SWASTIK, OK. Well, Regarding Hitler? He was Prophet “King Of Jewsâ€. Hitler didn’t kill 6 Million Jews but far less then 6 Million. Hitler did Jews Holocaust drama to scare Jews to leave from Europe to God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). Holy Book Bible clearly says that Jerusalem (Israel) is the homeland for Jews. If Hitler didn’t do Holocaust drama Jews wouldn’t have got God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). So if you want more details read chapter 3 in http://www.swastik.org. Remember don’t misuse this website. I am Hindu, I read all Holy Books, I am from India and I am Black man. Ok. Note: Hitler didn’t die in Bunker..
Thanking you Internet Visitors,
Kalki Avatar
Hello Dada,
I valued your response to my post, and I am responding again with love to you.
It is not my intention to debate semantics, (or to debate at all) for the words themselves are not important unless they have become “conditioned mind responses”. If the (your) truth underlies the words the words matter little unless they have become so misused that their use is not helpful (the use of the word “God” for example). It is useful to examine what we say and “believe” from time to time, only if to ensure that it is still in accord up with what we “know” to be true.
By using the term “signpost†I mean something that points us to our true self- the divine, not something that “symbolizes†the “creationâ€. A swastika (or any other symbol) could not in anyway “symbolise (?) the creation itself and how it works†or “explain the very nature of the Supreme Beingâ€. How could a mere symbol “explain†the nature of the divine.
Any word (or thought) cannot of course really describe the “isnessâ€/divine/Dao/consciousness. You can only know (be) it, and any attempt to use words to describe it cannot work, because then it becomes form (or thought). The human mind cannot possibly understand or describe the divine, rather the aware self simply knows it (or is it) by becoming aware of itself (awareness becoming aware of itself). You see, words really are hopeless and ultimately misleading. By trying to describe nothingness (no thought), space, emptiness (the term preferred by Buddhists) consciousness, the divine, you give form to something which has no form (the unmanifested).
The word “being†as in “supreme being†also implies some kind of form or “personâ€.
The problem with any kind of “system†for self realisation, yogic or otherwise is that there comes a point when you must leave it behind, because it becomes between you and your recognition of your true self. “Systems give the egoic self “time†to become enlightened. Belief in the future makes the mind feel secure, but doesn’t help us to be present or “in the momentâ€. The divine can only be known in the present, not in the future for the future is an illusion, it does not exist. Systems are also very good at making a “person†feel special, and that specialness feeds the egoic self or mind construed self. Attachment to a system is attachment.
You quote as “cosmic law(!)†– “as you think so you becomeâ€. Yes, for when you think nothing you become nothing – the mind disappears and you are the awareness, the space, the emptiness. The realized being knows that he/she is nobody. There is not a “person†there any more, just awareness. The “person†is the mind made self, the mind identified self. The mind is a useful tool when you watch it, and are not identified with it.
The ancient yogis tended not to engage with “the world†once they awakened. To simply sit in the bliss of being would be wonderful but also unlikely to be very possible in Western culture today. Our mental asylums surely must hold such people. To become conscious more deeply, to live as consciousness manifested it is our destiny to live with one foot in the formless and one foot in the world of form. It is much harder to stay conscious/awake/present while interacting deeply with the world yet humanity needs to attain this. It seems unlikely that the planet can sustain unconscious humans for too much longer anyway.
Yours, Sarah
Hi Sarah,
thanks for your comment. I agree with you that a symbol such as the swastika is indeed a signpost – a signpost – i was suggesting – that symbolises the creation itself and how it works – which puts it in rather a different category than other signposts!
In terms of the reference to meditation which i think you are picking up on in your reply, i do not mean to imply meditating on the swastika. Not at all! The connection i want to make between meditation and the swastika is simply that an authentic system of meditation expands the mind – allowing access to the intuitional layers of mind, where, i would suggest, the real significance of the swastika can be experienced. I personally believe that it is a powerful, mysterious and mystical symbol that is intimately tied to the evolution of human civilisation on this planet.
However, I do not advocate meditating on the swastika. It was interesting your suggestion that meditating on nature or “no thought” at all would be more productive.
Speaking from the point of view of yoga science – it was held by the ancient yogiis that “As you think, so you become”. This was considered to be a cosmic law. The question as to what one wants to “become” they had already answered – one with the Supreme Entity. The entire creation – with all it’s myriad expressions of animate and inanimate beings – are all on one and the same journey – to return back to where everything came from – the Supreme Consciousness. So, applying the cosmic law, “As you think, so you become”, then there is only One thing on which to meditate.
That, in my understanding, is the very key to yoga. And, the interesting thing is that all of this is contained in the swastika itself – this cosmic “signpost” – a signpost that explains the very nature of the Supreme Being, assures us of the dynamic, intelligent movement of the creation (as metamorphosed Consciousness), and then, in our human struggle to move from crudity to subtlety, guarantees us “spiritual victory”!
Dada Ravi, I lovingly suggest that attachment to a drawn symbol – a “form” (rather than the formless) can be at most a signpost to the unmanifested. It would seem more fruitful to simply contemplate nature and/or be in no thought, rather than holding a thought form (swastika)in your mind.
Hi All. On 3rd November, Carlos, wrote asking for feedback about his thought of getting a swastika tattoo on his leg. My question to you is “is it really necessary”. You mentioned your inspiration came from Jain religion. I have also seen Hindu people having the swastika tattoo. To me, far more important than having an swastika tattooed on oneself, is to deeply understand the inherent spiritual meaning of the swastika – it is the perfect expression of the creation – how it was created (the two polarities of consciousness and that which metamorphoses consciousness giving rise ultimately to matter – as condensed consciousness – called Shiva and Shakti respectively in yoga philosophy – the tails represent dynamic movement. An alternative to a swastika tattoo would be to wear a swastika on a neck chain. I permanently wear such a symbol – a swastika in the centre of two interlaced triangles (usually called the Star of David – but actually, it was first given by Shiva 7000 years ago as a yogic symbol – representing the perfect balancing of knowledge and action). Think it over. I can also recommend you learn meditation whereby the meaning and power of both these symbols become increasing clearer. If interested to learn more let me know.
Hi all. Thanks Mike for sharing your experience as an american jew. That must have been really challenging for you to make that shift and begin to see the real meaning of this most ancient and spiritual symbol. I once walked through a crowd of thousands of people – at the Glastonbury music festival in UK – flying a huge swastika flag carried by a group of supporters of Reclaim the Swastika. Like you, two of the key people there were jewish. Once people realise the deeply positive and spiritual meaning it makes it easier to “Reclaimâ€. I like your point that reclaiming the swastika will be the final defeat of naziism.
Hi Bernt. Thanks for your comment. I have heard that in the old synagogues in Israel some had swastika engravings but that these were removed when the nazis started using it. Can anyone confirm this?
please can you add this web site to your links http://www.myspace.com/theswastika
That would be great,
keep up the good work,
David
As far as I know the Swastika or Sun Cross has never been a part of Jewish heritage. We do not all agree with the outcome of WWII and for that reasons the Swastika is a reminder of defeat and we are also interested in reclaiming the Swastika / Sun Cross as it has been used by our ancestors for centuries.
Great Site, Great Cause.
As a jewish american growing up as a child the swastika would give me chills when I saw it. As I got older and learned more about this archetype, the ‘swastika.’ The original cross… I am a designer and are currently incorporating swastika’s into my work because I have grown to love them. Its going to take some time to disassociate this beautiful symbol with the evil that was at one time associate with it, but that is THE only way to fully abolish nazism and everything is stands for. If the popularity of the swastika was brought back and Jews were proudly displaying this symbol it would make neo-nazi’s looks tupid and devalue the swastika accosiated with negativity.
This page has started on the wrong foot.
The national Socialist had the full right to use the Sun Wheel as a symbol for the Germanic ( Nordic) People. It is the misinformation and destructive propaganda and the ruthless falls information from the concurring powers after the war that has tainted the Sun Cross.
It is not banned all over Europe only in certain states where it t has , due to blackmail, been pressured into banning this Strong symbol of unity for the Germanic People.
Hi All, i must say, i have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts. A few come to mind that i may respond to. The last posted comment expressed the idea that the swastika is forever tainted. Well, ultimately nothing is tainted forever. Things change and so, too, i believe, will be the nazi association with the swastika. It was probably mentioned in an earlier post, that for more that a billion people of India and Asia, the swastika remains, perhaps, the most positive & spiritual symbol known to them. I was in India a couple of months ago and the swastika is absolutely everywhere – on buses, cars, trucks, buildings, packaging, in temples, even on cycle rickshaws!!! From an esoteric viewpoint, the swastika is a profoundly powerful symbol – when one understands it’s full inner significance. It is a yantra – as expressed in Yoga philosophy, and that yantra will have a powerful elevating effect on the mind. It is a symbol that captures cosmic Truth – read the next comment for an explication of this point. dada
Hi agian, It’s me Nicholas, I’ve came back to ask if you guys if this is working. I know it’s hard isn’t it. I have also came back to say that no matter how hard you try, we may never see a positive view of the swastika ever again. but those people who choose to use the swastika, I certainly hope they do not have the minds of a nazi. I love swastikas, i’m not a nazi, i’m not a neo-nazi and I am certainly not a k.k.k. member, Or anti semitic (one who hates jewish people) period! And for those who do, they are to stay away from my famly and my, yep, MY SWASTIKAS! later.
I’m contemplating getting a Swastika tattoo after learning about the Jainist religion. I mentioned it to my boss and other adult-figures and they’ve exclaimed their thoughts about how it could negatively impact me. They say that people will be offended, get the wrong message and even attempt to hurt or assault me. Any thoughts on this? I think it’s quite harmless since i am getting it on my leg. Should i?
The Swastika was not misused by the National Socialist , it was just deemed so because they unfortunately lost the war.
Bob,
I do not think the symbol is actually Aryan. It Is a tantrik symbol, the Aryans were more ensconced in Vedic culture rather than Tantrik spirituality. Tantra was more embraced by the Dravidians at that time.
The primary difference between Vedic and Tantrik culture at that stage was that Tantra was based more on internal psycho-spiritual practises and Veda was based more on external physico-spiritual practise (ritual). I see the swastika as predominantly effecting the internal psycho-spiritual realm, rather than the external realm of ritual.
Perhaps the aryans took the symbol and used it externally in ritual, in much the same way as hitler tried to do?
The only knowledgeable source I can find on this era has been PR Sarkar, perhaps you know some other sources.
The symbol is Aryan in origin. Hitler considered his people to be Aryan as well.
Oops, I sent that post about the Thulin D without reading all posts on here, apologies to other posters who’ve already mentioned it. Interesting that the Finnish swastika on their aircraft was not at a 45 degree angle and Finland didn’t lose any more territory to the Soviet Union unlike half of Europe that was under the Bolshevik boot for half a century.
The territory lost by Finland to Russia in the Winter War of 1940 (Lake Ladoga and a large chunk of territory to the north of that strategic point) was never returned even after the fall of communism in the ’90s.
PS The reason I have an interest here is my girlfriend’s parents are Finns.
A Thulin D monoplane was donated to newly independent Finland in 1918 by the Swedish Count Eric von Rosen. This was the first military aircraft of Finland. The aeroplane was painted with the family crest of von Rosen, a blue swastika. This became the symbol of the Finnish Air Force until the end of WWII when it was changed because of the nazi use of the swastika, quite unrelated to the Finnish use of the symbol.
Look for ILKLEY SWASTIKA STONE ON GOOGLE – a carving in Yorkshire, England approx 4,500 years old!
Hi i’m Nicholas I just love the swastika. I draw them in my home when I `am sad. Whe are in a state where we have indians. i almost perchesed a pre ww2 post card that read “swastika good love, luck, life, and light. Althogh it has an evil backrond, i have come to exept how pretty it was before those nazi losers tarnished the meanig. please keep fighting to get it back. good luck to all of you!
Interesting stuff pity i cant find anyone amongst you that has any real understanding of the symbol
I think this is a great site and a great movement that I have called the “reeducation project”…I am a mala maker in Canada and purchased many swastika beads in China to use in my work.
I proudly wear two swastikas on my mala and inform people of the misunderstanding that the symbol belonds to Hitler.
It was even used by the Greeks in the 3rd century, inamongst their armory as a sign of good luck (the true meaning of the symbol: as well as auspiciousness, loyalty, and fortune)
This is a symbol of love, let’s leave the hate behind and wear it proudly…as was always worn prior to the times of Hitler. Let’s not foget the atrocities but regain the value and worth that the swastika retains.
I doubt that there is any significance to the 45 degree tilt of the swastika as mentioned below. In my opinion, it’s more likely to be a question of esthetics. If I was going to design a flag or other emblem including a swastika, I would tilt it at an angle too. It just looks better!
hmmmm, Dizzy,
I am just left wondering why your words have so much ring of buddhism about them, and yet the buddhists use the swastika extensively as a tool to help them reach that state of nirguna (beyond the gunas).
Maybe you, like Lord Buddha himself, are strong enough to reach that state by sitting motionless without eating or drinking for 40 days to attain realisation. Sorry, I am not quite there yet and would prefer to take every bit of help spiritually that I can, including that of elevating Yantras.
Well said Rantos bravo!!!!
Politics and religion are the two headed beast, orthodox religions are just establishment run corruptions of our shamanic beliefs, when we meditate and release our thoughts, allowing them to float away like a cloud, we are left with the state of
no-mind, a pure state of nothing, where neither symbols,Gods,jesus,buddha or muhammeds are needed, this is the place where all peoples can put away their differences, leave behind our ego’s and be born again as equales.
Would the great mystery cease to exist, become any more or less great, any more or less of a mystery if we put away our imposed belief systems and freed our minds unto the great void of nothingness.
Joined together in the blissfull state of no-mind.
bliss
Correction racist attitudes and behaviour can be displayed by all races.
I am a despiser of racist attitudes, no matter what the race or colour of the racist, you say all racists are white christian, thats a racist statement, so you are racist, its like saying all terrorists are muslims.
People speek of what the white man did to the American Indians all the time, notice they never look at what happened to the south American indians at the hands of Spanish conquestadors why?
Its simple because the Spanish are not white, so to bring that up would not help their anti white racist agendas.
Again people like to speek of the white mans slave trade, and what he did to the Africans, the Arabs has African slaves long before we europeans, infact when we began building an empire and vetured into Africa we got the slavery idea from the Arabs, later though it was abolished by us because we saw how ugly and cruel it was.
It simply does not suit the anti white racist agenda to bring up matters of the Arab slave trade though does it not and so I neither want or need you to respect English.
Just respect people and stop being racist or you will not recieve any respect in return.
This discussion would be a lot more constructive if everyone follows the simple guideline of respect and acknowledgment of others’ points of view.
Please think carefully about how you express yourself. It is possible to present any opinion without resorting to insult or abuse of others. If you cannot stick to this simple guideline, then this is not the forum for you.
Hi Dizzy,
How you doing? Well, You read my comments in this blog thanks, I think you don’t know how to read English. I clearly mentioned in this blog that “All racists are white Christians†that doesn’t mean that “all white Christians are racists†OK. When you don’t know how to read English language then simply forget English Language and start reading German Language that makes you forget abuse words such “arshole†as you used for me OK. You used abuse word such as “arshole†on me, well, I think many people used that word on you. That is the reason you remember that word. Well, I clarified your confusion. Regarding my bad English Grammar, I don’t want to respect English.
Redards,
Kalki Avatar,
http://www.swastik.org
Hello,
great you are trying to restore one of the worlds oldest and most beautiful symbols..
You might want to add this photograph of a swastika in a Danish Church.
You might like to know that the Danish Carlsberg Breweries used the Swatika as part of their logo as well…
The story that went with it:
The Danish Tabloid B.T. reported July 2 2003
Swastika threatens peace in Danish Parish
Six big gilded swastikas threaten peace in Jutland Parish. In spite of criticism the parish’s Vicar Hans J. Rohwer refuses to remove the gilded swastikas which decorate Vildbjerg Kirke (Church) in West-Jutland, and have done so since 1905, when the church was built.
This was before WWII and before anybody had even heard of National Socialism, Hitler and so forth.
“It is incomprehensible that somebody sits in a Danish church (a state church) and guilds swastikas”, says Carl M. Bech, according to the reporter.
But the Parish Vicar, Hans J. Rohwer refuses to remove the swastikas.
“Hitler shall not have the victory, to make us change history, because he has abused the swastika symbol” said the priest to B.T’s reporter…..
Carlsberg images:
http://images.google.com/images?q=carlsberg+swastika
When I came across this site first time and saw the discussions going on here, I thought it was great, but viewing it now, it makes me wish the swastica symbol stood for GROW UP!
Some ignorant arrogant arshole has taken to accusing all white christians of being racist, what a total knob head, you are racist and prejudice against whites obviously, why does the whole world adopt this totally ignorant idea that one race alone is capable of being racist, without recognising this very form of thought is racist in its very nature.
I embrace christian, buddhist and hindu beliefs myself, through my shamanic holy spirit led journey.
So please grow up, if we are seeming racist, its become that way due to welcoming folk into our homeland, only to finish up being threatened and terrorised by those that came!
Hindus live with us in peace and harmony, as do buddhists, jews and taoists, Sihks etc etc etc
Face the facts, only one peoples and one peoples only require our submission, who might that be?
Well, I saw website http://www.swastik.org, It is great and chapter 4 is good. Kalki wrote strong words in Racists.. keep it up
Isa
Dear jyotirmaya,
Jyotirmaya, You have too many questions about my website http://www.swastik.org and word swastik, I don’t think this Blog made for you and me, Well, Put your address in swastik.kalki@gmail.com. I call you in live interview which world going to see. This interview will be there after I appear in the world. Before you attend interview you should know what is Kalki Avatar.
Thanks jyotirmaya,
Kalki Avatar,
http://www.swastik.org
Kalki Avatar,
you say: “you know all racists are white Christians”
sorry, I didn’t know that, if it is true, it is really quite a relief, because it therefore excludes about 90% of the worlds population from being racist….
You also claim “why you take only English Language? Don’t you know English Language is Ego people language” – thanks again for this interesting insight into english, but the language I was referring to was samskrit, since swastika is an ancient samskrta word, dating back over 3000 years.
In SamskrtA how you pronounce the last “A” is a matter of which school you follow, however, when you spell the word in the roman alphabet, the “a” should definitely be there as it is implied in the ka sound at the end of the word.
In many Indian languages, the a at the end of words is commonly not pronounced, however, although many Hindi speaking people like to call me jyotirmay, my name is samskrta and definitely spelled jyotirmayA.
Therefore, I would serioulsy question chapter 4 of your site where you claim Hitler put the A at the end of the word.
Dear Internet Visitors,
If Racist wants to use Swastik symbol for racism and spoil Swastik then let them do who cares. Let Hindus and Buddhist people spoil Christians Religion symbol cross. As you know all racists are white Christians. Racists feel what is broken heart when other religion people misuse Christians Religion symbol cross. In USA, I have seen Swastik symbol in toilet room, Let Hindus and Buddhist people draw Christians Religion symbol cross in toilet room. I think they want us to do same thing.
Kalki Avatar,
http://www.swastik.org
Dear Jyotirmaya
I think you should read Chapter 4 in http://www.swastik.org. to know definition of Swastik, from where it took the birth, life line of Swastik and where it ends. When you talk about character A at the end of Swastik you should know representation of character ‘A’ in German, French and other language.. why you take only English Language? Don’t you know English Language is Ego people language? SwastikA has got bad name but not Swastik that is the reason Hitler changed Swastik name to SwastikA and spoiled. It is Big calculation. Never mind.
Kalki Avatar,
Kalki Avatar,
I think the “A” should be there aty the end of swastika as it is a sam’skrta word (notice the “A” at the end of the word “Sam’skrta” which is there but is pronounced softly. Hindi commonly drops this sound, sanskrit IMO doesn’t.
Have a look at the sam’skrta breakdown of this word on the history page:-
su – means “good”
asti – means “to be, to exist”
ik – means “what is in existence, and will continue to exist”
a – denotes feminine gender
– all sounds have a particular meaning.
Dear Internet Visitors,
Subject: Why do you discriminate Swastik and Hitler? :: Open http://www.swastik.org :: Read Chapter 3
I am Owner of http://www.swastik.org, I spent nearly 4 years to develop this website. I have been seeing discrimination of Blacks, Swastik and Hitler for last 10 years. At last I want to disclose some secretes of Swastik and Hitler. Definition of Swastik is Lord Vishnu’s Vishnu Chakra, It is not SWASTIK_A but it is SWASTIK. Character A shouldn’t be there at the end of SWASTIK, OK. Well, Regarding Hitler? He was Prophet “King Of Jewsâ€. Hitler didn’t kill 6 Million Jews but far less then 6 Million. Hitler did Jews Holocaust drama to scare Jews to leave from Europe to God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). Holy Book Bible clearly says that Jerusalem (Israel) is the homeland for Jews. If Hitler didn’t do Holocaust drama Jews wouldn’t have got God Promised Land Jerusalem (Israel). So if you want more details read chapter 3 in http://www.swastik.org. Remember don’t misuse this website. I am Hindu, I read all Holy Books, I am from India and I am Black man. Ok. Note: Hitler didn’t die in Bunker..
Thanking you Internet Visitors,
Kalki Avatar
It is great to see so many considered comments from so many different people.
@Anonymous – I don’t think that this website promotes just “one man’s interpretation”, but rather represents an ancient branch of knowledge – that of Yantra. Of course, different groups and individuals may have their own interpretations of the meaning of the swastika. Let us hear them.
As far as I am aware, it certainly is widespread to consider the opposite orientation of the symbol to have the opposite effect on the mind – both in Hinduism and elsewhere (although I wouldn’t personally use the word “evil”). To call this a ‘misconception’ is in itself a point of view…
What you call the “negative” swastika is found on Asian food products as a symbol of “suitable for vegetarians” (aimed mainly at Buddhists). I don’t think it’s fair for you not to mention that many people, Hindus and Buddhists alike, do not regard the “negative” swastika as representing “total annihilation”, and promote one man’s interpretation over the general view.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The name sauwastika is sometimes given for the supposedly “evil”, left-facing, form of the swastika (å). A common myth is that the left-facing swastika is generally regarded as evil in Hindu tradition. This is because the much more common form in India is the right-facing swastika. Indians of all faiths sometimes use the symbol in both orientations – mostly for symmetry. Buddhists, outside of India, generally use the left-facing swastika over the right-facing swastika although, again, both can be used. Despite this, the misconception that the left-facing swastika is evil is widespread, even among some contemporary Indian communities.
Reclaiming the swastika should be done with great sensitivity towards Holocaust victims as it is reminds them of very traumatic loss.
Pranam!
Let this be the beginning of the revival of the global Hindutva-consciousness. Reclaim our (Aryan/Vaidik) contributions to the world.
Now it’s the time to stand up for ourselves!
More Hindu assertiveness, awereness and harmonization of greater Bharat.
Spread the word by all means!
Show the world our heroes and heroines!
Jago! Jagao, Kranti & Shanti!
Garve se kaho ki HUM HINDU HAIN!!!!
Mohnish Mathura
Excellent Site! Let the world know what it means, where it comes from and where it belongs.
It’s really time to reclaim this symbol. Thousands of years it was a good holy smybol offering luck, and because one idiot misused it for less than 20 years it will be banned forever? That must not happen!
Banning symbols is the wrong way. It hurts the wrong people, those using it in traditional and peaceful way. People using symbols for evil purpose just take another symbol if theirs would be banned. That’s no solution.
In Indian subcontinent & East Asia, the positive Swastika is a holy symbol. For the common people there, it conveys the meaning of peace, progress & good wishes for all.
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Nazi symbol is different from the positive Swastika. It is bent at an angle & is reverse in orientation. Heavens!! Nazis also used clothes to wear. Does it mean we stop wearing clothes??!! Ridiculous.
It should be simple — and I’m actually surprised that it’s not noted in the main site. The Nazis altered the traditional swastika by displaying it at a 45 degree angle. (i.e. so that angles point directly up,down,r,l, instead of the flat sides of the figure doing so.) If one displays a swastika that way it’s Nazistic, because anyone interested enough in the symbolism to want to display the figure for other reasons will display it correctly.
I’ve been wanting to get a tattoo of a swastika on my forearm for years as I’ve always been very moved by its historical significance as an emblem for unity and good luck. Unfortunately because of the association with Nazism I’ve always been too afraid. It’s really sickening that it would immediately be misunderstood and would lead 99% of the population to view me as some kind of devotee to Hitler’s ideals. Hopefully in the future the true meaning of the symbol can be reclaimed.
I know there’s no talk of Jesus here but the way you all talk I thought I was on a fanatical Christian site for a bit.
I don’t know, something to consider I guess.
“By the way, my KARMA ran over YOUR dogma” *cough* sounds like a slogan
Rather than making negative comments about the misuse of the swastikana I think it behooves us to put away the anger at the wrong and focus positive energy on the right and the informing people of the symbol’s true meaning. As an Anglo Hindu I did a great deal of soul-searching when I found an Om pendant that I fell in love with – a white gold diamond Om on a yellow gold Swastikana. As an Anglo woman in Georgia I am sure that it is bound to raise questions, but no matter what else I looked at my conscience drew me back to this piece. God will direct and guide me when I wear it, I will simply do what I am meant to do\, which hopefully will be to let people know that it is a sign of peace and good fortune.
To “other side of the coin” – If you knew anything at all about Hinduism you would know that there is no race of gods, there is one God, Brahman, and there are avatar representations of Brahman – much like Moses and the burning bush or Ezekiel and the wheel. One does not look on the face of God, nor hear the voice of God, though God may show himself in other forms. Most importantly, not everyone here is Indian, but you appear to be far too narrow-minded to see past your own intolerance. I must say this though – correct grammar, punctuation and spelling will make people take your posts more seriously, they show that you appreciate the education you have received and have taken the time to proofread your post to be sure that even when posting in anger, hostility or frustration you still take some pride in how you present yourself.
By the way, my KARMA ran over YOUR dogma
Om Shanti!
The Swastika is a beautiful symbol! I’m glad the Fuhrer chose it! Sieg Heil! Heil Hitler!
hitler is an asshole. he destroyed the true meaning of a lucky and beutiful symbol. now you have a swastica hanging over your doorway and people think you are a nazi! this is bullshit! my ajah had a swastica on his left arm before the war and none cared- if he were still alive he would havee killed the idiots that were offended by the symbol!
Just get over it i mean it was not the symbol who killed 6 million jew’s but the nazi’s , no matter how long you keep this site going for the swastika will always belong to hitler in most poeple’s eye’s .
other side of the coin….
I know that this site is not run by any Hindu religion and , knowing the people that do run it personally, I can tell you they are not of Indian origin.
The swastika is the emblem of universalists throughout the world, it does not stand beside any ism or narrow sentiment.
Hitler can burn in hell for what he did to the swastika
IT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read somewhere in the teachings of Hopi Indians of the Americas, the four corners beliefs, when man went out unto the four corners of the world, some turned left and thought with their brains and some turned right and thought with their hearts.
This represents the swastikas duality for them, people who turn to the right think with their hearts, it does not allways work that way with politics but with spiritual beliefs it can.
One last thing from me. I see why you Indians can’t help but be a corrupting force yourselves: you claim the swastika as a relgious symbol. Your dogma and “holier than thou” attitude makes you no better than any Christian, Muslem, Jew, or state worshiper out there. You already debase yoursleves and all humans by puting a race of gods above everything, so why not corrupt the swastika too by associating it with you ethnocentric, esoteric, dogmatic religious system. Hell, if you ask me religion itself is probably the handiest tool of any vile corruptor, no matter what the subject.
Goddamn. I finished reading most of the stuff here and I’m reeling. Like I always encounter in such forums, none of you are DISCUSSING anything. You’re all pretty much assuming yourselves individually as experts and that your narrow opinion or collection of knowledge is THE answer. No one is listening to anyone else. Everyone is preaching to everyone else. If you’d come together you might be able to piece together a more complete, wider picture. And you fucking Hindus need to get off your high fucking horse. The swastika is not EXCLUSIVELY yours and it didn’t ORGININATE WITH YOU. The swastika, as I’m sure level headed people will agree, orginated with all people who have ever used it. In every hemisphere, in every corner enhabited by Homo sapiens sapiens the swastika has been used at some time, by some culture, for some purpose. If you want to talk about how you feel about the symbol, fine. But if you want to know its history and understand its legacy then you have to detatch yourselves and actually study the peoples who have known it. There isn’t one origin. No one people can claim it exclusively. You want to “reclaim” the swastika. I think you should relinquish it instead. People like most here on this site are the ones who have and continue to corrupt the swastika, but not just that: everything you claim. Your historical hypocracy is the great corruptor, not racists, not “nazis”, but you who try to claim things as your own that have a heritage that you’ll never take the time to fully, truely understand
The revolutionaries of European National Socialism did not corrupt the swastika. Think about it. What was the point of their selection of the swastika? To emphasize a unique Germanic and ultimatly European identity that reaches to our pre-Christian heritage while it strives for a new future. Who corrupted the swastika? Not “Nazis” but the modernists, the democrats, the communists, those Jews we all feel oh so sorry for now. Nationalist Germany committed “atrocities” against a system it was trying to overcome and step out beyond for the sake of all of Europe’s future. Of course the allies and Jews hate them. No one can deny that the National Socialists were a deadly threat and remain one to this constitutionalist, globalist system we had and still have. But the German Revolutionaries saw a mortal threat in the very system we are all enslaved by now. Lets use a little cultural relativism and historiocity when considering the actions and intents of National Socialism. Germany was trying to reclaim an authentic indentity and destiny from a dehumanized international system reaking of leftover romantics, hypocritical modernists, and as we have now nihilistic post modernists and pathetic humanitarians who would sooner bludgeon they’re own folk to protect a people they’ve never met across the globe. This renaissance Germany reclaimed its identity. It didn’t corrupt the swastika. The liars of the globalist democrats, communists, and Judeo-Christians have tarnished the regal swastika.
I think it’s great to see a site trying to educate people as to the noble origins of the swastika. You know, the swastika isn’t the only thing Hilter ruined for future generations, what about the mustache? How many of those do you see around anymore?
Swatikas rock! I have one tattooed on my face, and everyone thinks I am really cool at my day centre.
There is a stigma on the swastika, like with mental illness, but I love both, make the most of life!
shut up and leave the past alone it’s stupid to recalect on the bad time’s in the past. i hate nazi’s to but just shut up
Hi I just love the Swastika and want to tattoo a big one on my back, I was wonderring if anybody can help me with a design which doesnt directly show that it’s a swastika. Maybe you could help me .
Swastika for winners
melissa
God is an expert at drama (liila). When the dust settles the truth remains. It is a short hand for “Brahma is the composite of conciousness and energy, i.e., Shiva and Shakti. Jai!
When the damage inflicted by what was represented by the swastika is undone, it can be redeemed. As far as I know,there is no way to bring people back to life.
This is a symbol of auspiciousness for those who are worthy of it’s use. Nazi Party/Germany was unworthy of bearing the symbol and was therefore defeated and humiliated to this day. Neo-nazi groups continue to bring sufferring upon themselves for the same reasons. It has deep meaning and profound usefullness to those of right mind who use it properly. Otherwise, use of this and certain other symbols can have the opposite result – bad luck. Love and happiness to all.
Thank you for great info and photos. I too am trying to promote the swastika in its true meaning of well being. What better way to diffuse the hatred associated with it. Ursula
Thank u for sharing your knowledge!
i hate hitler for using my symbol. i am an indian , a jain. swastik is my religious symbol and the real aryans, my ansestors. i hate hitler for ruining the image of my symbol and my people.
http://www.manwoman.net/
my name says it all..
Cheers !!
Good point Ravishekarananda!
Since the swastika is a Yantra (literally machine in sanskrit), it functions in conjunction with mental states of people – the medium of this machine is the subtle psychic and spiritual spheres. So, yes it seems natural that when the wielder’s psychic state is aligned to the psychic effect of the swastika it will bring victory, and where the wielder is not intent on universal victory, defeat is inevitable.
Hi Joonas, yes, i take your point about the “good luck” charm of the swastika in the context of the Finnish airforce and ill-fate of the Naziis, yet, the deeper meaning of the swastika as we have presented here is “spiritual victory”.
If the people using the swastikas are not following the values of spirituality – which we can say are embodied in the idea of dharma, then the swastika can be said to have no relation to what their purposes are – it becomes, in that context an empty symbol. It is when there is real parallelism between the intention and actions of the wielder of the swastika and the swastika itself that the mystical part of the swastika becomes interesting…
Actually the Finnish Air Force ceased to use swastika in 1945, not 1938. It is still used in several Air Force units’ flags.
After taking a closer look to the struggle and victories of the Finnish Air Force in WWII, nobody can really doubt swastika’s good luck charm anymore.
It will be kind of hard to get the swastika back safely-imagine another 9\11 after that….
The Swastika has lost it’s meaning-listen when i say this, it was a sign of goodness, not it’s the opposite thanks to that fucking idiot Hitler.
Come on people, get a life.
Hi,
I would like to know if the real tibetan swastika is facing the opposite direction to the nazi swastika, as opposing the descent into possesive materialness agants the real ascension to spirituality that the tibetan monks would most probably worship.
Thanks
rzzzz
it would be great if all GAY people could take the Swastika as their symbol.
What would the nazi-idiots have left ??
Nothing !
Only thing I like about Hitler is the fact that he is DEAD and that he LOST the war !
Not my kind of hero *laughing*…….a looser !
James, your comments don’t really make sense. This sight clearly shows that Hitler “borrowed” the swastika from a much older and greater culture than his narrow aryanism. To say you like the Hitler swastika is to say that you appreciate the swastika as a symbol, and since this represents spiritual universalism, it means that you dislike the things that Hitler stood for (narrow racism).
So please tell us, which is it that you actually like narrow racism or the swastika’s spiritual universalism????
I like the Nazi Swastika
Mr Bad more Mr Hitler
Hi all friends of the Swastika !
I just had a very nice necklace made in gold approx. 0,8 inches wide (square).
That´s my way of getting an opportunity to inform people of what the Swastika really stands for.
Here in Sweden most people think of Mr Bad from Germany
I´m proud to wear my Swastika and it was worth 350 USD for sure !
Regards / HÃ¥kan
Kalki will come to defeat and punish all who defy the swastika!
Hi guys!
I would like to translate this site to spanish so you could serve it in both languages. Could you get in touch with me so we can do this?
Thanks!
Sounds like you have something backed up in your brain (as opposed to braned up on your back)
i have the swastika braned on my back.but i do not hate all races. i am proud to be a white man
freedom to the white race.freedom to are children
I like to observe, one thing is the swastika can be disassembled and can make differrent objects, differrent symbles, to myself it represents the first attempt to draw a circle, wheel, galaxy, look at he end of an end mill used for machining, most of them are four fluet. To me it’s a symble of God’s knowlegde, it’s mechanical endless. fore give my spelling.
“Forever be tainted” ???- it is interesting how short sighted people can be when viewing history. In 5000 years time, I am sure the 20-50 year blip of Nazism will be a tiny speck on the timeline of human history compared to say the 5 000-10 000 year influence of Tantric culture which has used the symbol positively.
Get a perspective!
Why don’t you people thank Hitler for “ruining” your swastika. It will forever be a tainted symbol.
I’m educated and informed. I agree the Swastika has gotten a bad wrap thanks to Hitler. Hitler liked black Mercedes and VW Beetles and really liked the color ‘red’ in his image propaganda materiels, yet those things aren’t considered racist or evil. But I guess that’s what make the Swastika surpass those things, it’s a ‘symbol’. A symbol is the one thing that stands in front of, and above, everything else – after all isn’t that what a great ‘symbol’ is supposed to do?
It takes on all it stands for….good and bad.
However, if your heritage is based in Western or European or Middle-eastern civilizations, then you can’t deny the fact that a Swastika, regardless of rotation, direction, etc.. make a helluva lot of people uncomfortable, angry and sad.
It’s a symbol I can get by in life without out of the respect of those around me that have a real connection in life to the horrors that it once was associtated with even years ago.
Educate the ignorant but respect the experienced.
Pradiip, yes I often wonder about the cosmic implications of WW2 and the swastika being involved.
Maybe WW2 needed to happen from a cosmic perspective in order to break the back of British emperialism that was throttling the globe…?
Hi,
I Just love the Swaztika, I already have a AUM tattoo and want to tattoo a big Swaztika on my back.
//Swasti
I have forgoten who said it, but i heard someone say that the after effects of WW2 will never be truly over until we can again use the Swastika without a feeling of shame. Perhaps there is something in that?
You can find more svastikas from finnish presidential flag and from this seppolehto blog
Presidentti Tarja Halonen Hakaniemen torilla Helsingissä vappupäivänä 01.05.1976.: “SUOMELLE OLISI SIUNAUKSELLISTA LIITTYÄ NEUVOSTOLIITTOON”
16.01.2006
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Tarja Halonen: “SUOMELLE OLISI SIUNAUKSELLISTA LIITTYÄ NEUVOSTOLIITTOON”
“Suomelle olisi siunauksellista liittyä Neuvostoliittoon rauhanomaisin keinoin. Samalla pääsisimme irti kapitalismin ikeestä, koska kapitalismi kuitenkin 20 vuoden aikana kuolee. Suomi voisi olla yhdessä Neuvostoliiton kanssa tiennäyttäjä kohti kommunistista yhteiskuntaa.”
Tämän tavoitteellisen puheen piti nykyinen tasavallan presidentti Tarja Halonen Hakaniemen torilla Helsingissä vappupäivänä 01.05.1976. Tästä hyvin vaietusta puheesta voi lukea lisää esim. ko. ajan Karjala-lehdestä.
Voimme olla hyvin onnellisia siitä, ettei Halonen tämän ennustuksellisen vappupuheen aikana vielä ollut Suomen presidentti. Ennustus toteutui vähän nurinkurisesti. Toivemaa Neuvostoliitto tuhoutui alle 20 vuodessa omaan mahdottomuuteensa ja “kapitalistinen” Suomi jatkoi voittokulkuaan.
Jotain tästä puheesta jäi kuitenkin elämään. Halosen puoluetoveri Mauno Koivisto yritti presidenttiaikanaan edelleen sitoa Suomea YYA-siteisiin, vaikka Neuvostoliitto oli jo tuhonnut itsensä. Kun se ei onnistunut, oli Suomen ja Venäjän välille laadittava ns. Naapuruussopimus eräänlaisena YYA:n väljähtyneenä jatkeena.
Vähemmälle huomiolle on jäänyt se, että samanaikaisesti solmittiin toinenkin valtiosopimus: Lähialueyhteistyösopimus. Sen ytimenä on ollut rahan lahjoittaminen rikkaalle naapurille. Lähialueyhteistyöhön on kulutettu yli 1.1 mrd. euroa, josta Venäjän osuus on ollut 750 milj. euron luokkaa. Ulkopuoliselle ei ole selvää, mihin kaikki rahat on käytetty tai kuinka suuri on ollut suoraa ja kuinka suuri osa epäsuoraa tukea. Mutta eivät ne asiat näytä olevan selviä ulkoministeriöllekään.
Tarja Halonen olisi 1976 ollut valmis luovuttamaan itsenäisen Suomen valtion Neuvostoliitolle, joka vasta muutama vuosikymmen aikaisemmin oli oikeudettomasti hyökännyt Suomeen, tuhonnut kymmeniä tuhansia ihmisiä ja mittaamattoman määrän omaisuutta, anastanut 12 % maa-alueesta, maksattanut huikeat sotakorvaukset ja sotien jälkeenkin jatkuvasti painostanut Suomea. Miksi Halonen olisi luovuttanut Suomen? Saadakseen Suomen Neuvosto-onnelan ikeen alle, jolloin toiveet pohjoismaisesta hyvinvoinnista oli pitänyt haudata ikuisiksi ajoiksi.
Onko Halosen politiikka edelleen sama, vai onko jotain muuttunut? Muutokset Halosen politiikassa voidaan havaita selvästi. Enää hän ei yhtä suoraan kerro, mikä hänen tavoitteensa on, vaan pyrkii salaamaan todelliset tavoitteensa sekä tässä että lähes kaikissa muissakin asioissa. Siitä ei ole tietoa, onko itse politiikka muuttunut mihinkään.
Halonen ei enää ilmoita avoimesti, että Suomi tulisi liittää Venäjään. Ei hän ilmeisesti ole tavoitettaan perunutkaan, koska perumisesta ei ole mitään merkintää. Ulkopuolisen tarkkailijan näkökulmasta tavoite tulee yhä esille siinä, ettei Halonen suostu edes keskustelemaan ns. sodanjälkeisistä kipupisteistä. Olemme yhä syyllisiä sotiin, koska ylläpidämme itse tahallisesti tätä syyllisyyttä estämällä ns. sotasyyllisyystuomioiden purkamisen.
Vanha tavoite tulee esille siinä, ettei Halonen halua edes keskustella Kalastajasaarennon, Petsamon, Sallan, Kuusamon, Karjalan ja muiden miehitettyjen alueidemme palautuksesta. Miksi hän haluaisi keskustelua Neuvostoliitolle miehitetyksi joutuneen alueen palautuksesta, koska hän oli valmis luovuttamaan koko maan Neuvostoliitolle, ja siten kenties vielä sen seuraajalle Venäjällekin.
Halosen muuttunut politiikka tulee esille siinä, että hän toivoo, ettei vanhoja asioita lainkaan kaiveltaisi, vaan keskityttäisiin tulevaisuuteen. Muutos merkitsee vain syvää vaikenemista ja asioitten salailua. Tulisiko Suomen tulevaisuuden kannalta tärkeimmän viran täyttäminen siten toteuttaa pimittämällä sen keskeisimmän tavoittelijan perustavaa laatua olevat tavoitteet?
Meillä on nyt presidenttinä, kirkon johtajana, puolustusvoimien ylipäällikkönä sekä maan moraalisena ja arvojohtajana henkilö, jonka lähtökohtana on ollut – kenties on edelleenkin? – oman maan luovuttaminen vieraan vallan alaisuuteen sekä asioitten salaaminen.
Tältä pohjalta Halosen ratkaisut tulevat ymmärretyiksi: maamiinojen yksipuolinen poistaminen, Suomen puolustuksen heikentäminen, sekoilu Natoon liittymisessä, Koiviston konklaavin papereiden salaaminen, Stasi-papereiden salaaminen, Karjalasta vaikeneminen, pankkikriisin uhrien vaientaminen, nurkan takana odottavan taloudellisen kriisin salaaminen, KKO:n presidentin nimitysperusteista vaikeneminen.
Edellä olevat esimerkit kertovat, että tavoitteena oleva pohjoismainen hyvinvointivaltio on pahasti uhattuna. Ei sitä olisi saavutettu liittymällä Neuvostoliittoon, mutta nykyisellä johtamistyhjiöllä tavoitteen pitäminen etääntyy päivä päivältä yhä suuremman osan kansasta joutuessa B-luokkaan.
Olisiko Suomen luovuttaminen kokonaan tai osittain nykyiselle Venäjälle jollakin tavoin Venäjän edun mukaista? Voisihan siitä jostain näkökulmasta olla lyhytaikainen etu, mutta pitemmällä tähtäyksellä se olisi molemmille katastrofi. Vaikka ei voida sanoa, että Venäjä olisi kulkemassa kohti länsimaista demokratiaa, siellä on kuitenkin menossa muutos. Muutoksessa on havaittavissa merkittäviä mielipiteitä, että esim. Suomen kanssa vanhat asiat tulisi selvittää.
Suomen ja Venäjän todelliset edut ovat täysin erilaiset kuin mihin Tarja Halonen toiminnallaan tähtää. Vain sopimalla vanhat, nyt keskinäistä luottamusta edelleen vahvasti syövät asiat neuvottelupöydässä perinpohjin, voidaan luoda sellaista keskinäistä sosiaalista pääomaa, joka asteittain palauttaa maitten välisen aidon luottamuksen. Luottamusta ei rakenneta tyhjien sanojen varaan, mutta ei sitä rakenneta myöskään selvittämättömien aggressioiden päälle.
Kun Venäjä palauttaa Suomelle Neuvostoliiton miehittämät (ns. “pakkoluovuttamat alueet”) ja sopii sodan tuhojen korvaamisesta, muodostuu maittemme välille uusi perusta. Siltä perustalta voidaan ryhtyä rakentamaan professori Arto Lahden esille tuomaa Baltic Rim –yhteistyötä. Suomen Karjalan (eli Kannas ja Laatokan Karjala) ja Petsamon vahvan kehityksen mukana luodaan vankka pohja myös Venäjän raja-alueiden nousulle. Aluepalautuksen myönteinen vaikutus maailman poliittiseen tilanteeseen tulee olemaan erittäin suuri.
Suomessa on totuttu vetämään ns. Venäjä-kortti presidenttipelin kuumetessa. Mitä myönteistä Tarja Halonen on kuuden vuoden aikana saavuttanut esim. ulkosuhteissamme tai suhteissamme Venäjään? Ei tiettävästi mitään erityistä.
Heikko tulos johtunee osaltaan siitä, ettei hänen toimintansa asioitten salailijana ja vaikenijana ole missään suhteessa Suomen edun mukaista, mutta ei se ole myöskään Venäjän edun mukaista. Suomi ansaitsee Suomen legitiimejä etuja ajavan presidentin.
http://tartonrauha.blogspot.com/ ja http://www.kavkaz.fi sivustot alustavasti opastajinanne
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Kiitämme ylläolevasta Tarja Halosen Neuvosto-Venäjää ja sen alueriistojamme ihailevan KGB-:tä ja neuvostokommunismia palvelevan taustan paljastavan kirjoituksen julkaisemisesta http://prokarelia.net foorumilla.
Tässä yhteydessä on tehty vain olennaiset kansainvälisen oikeuden termilogiset lisäykset miehitystämme koskien tähän http://prokarelia.net/fi/?x=artikkeli&article_id=826&author=10 siltä osin, että kyseessä on Suomelta miehitetyt alueet, mitkä eivät ole ns. “pakkoluovutettuja”, saati “luovutettuja” kansainvälisen oikeudenkaan mukaan, sillä mitään korvausta emme ole alueriistoistamme saaneet, puhumattakaan, että kyseessä olisi miltäänosin lahjanomainen vastikkeeton “luovutus”. Kyseessähän on ilmiselvä laiton Suomen aluemiehitys Stalinin valtioterrorin ajoilta http://petsamotakaisin.blogspot.com/ .
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PS: Sauli Niinistö presidentiksi mieluummin kuin vanha kansanmurhia ja miehityksiä ymv:a stalinismin vääryyksiä suojeleva KGB-lehmä Tarja Halonen. Sauli Niinistön kampanjajoukot hereille kokonaisen miehittämättömän Suomen puolesta suojeluskuntamarssin ja laulujen säestämänä tamperelaisen historioitsija Seppo Lehdon heiluttaessa tahtipuikkoa Sauli Niinistöä tukeville presidentivaalikampanjajoukoille opastamalla oheisten blogien kautta kansakunnallisiin tavoitteisiimme http://occupiedterritoriesback.blogspot.com/
- http://putinvladimir.blogspot.com/
- http://karjalanpalautus.blogspot.com/
Sotasyyllisyydet kumottava virallisesti, jotta voimme vaatia miehitettyjen alueidemme palauttamista! Ainoa oikea syyllinen viime sotiimme oli saastainen sovjet-Ryssä, nykyinen Venäjän kyseenalainen federaatio, sillä federalisaatiohan on ajettu alas Vladimir Putinin suoralla aluekuvernöörien nimittämisoikeudella.
Suomi suomalaisille, Afrikka afrikkalaisille! Tähän lauseeseen voinee yhtyä jokainen kunnon suomalainen, joka ei haudo Ryssä-korttia Tarja “Tavja” Halosen tyyliin
Seppo Lehto tamperelainen historioitsija ja aluepalauttaja Väinö Voionmaan ja Mannerheimin suursuomalaisin ajatuksin http://suursuomalaisuudesta.blogspot.com/
You say in your opening page “it became associated with murder and oppression on a scale never before witnessed on this earth”. I think you’ll find that the slaughter of native Americans had a higher body count. The oppression continues to this day. Of course this isnt generaly reported or mentioned in polite company.
I am a Christian and I am aware that there are people who are naive to the concept of using the swastica as a very personal symbol of spiritual victory, and are insistant on instantly relating the swastica as a symbol of the racism of the nazi’s. I feel that when people actively speak or act against this are obviously holding onto an ignorant oppinion. An oppinion which borders racism in itself. I feel that if people are insistant on discriminating against the symbol of the swastica, then we may as well be racist againt the international people who are coming to live in this contry, which is a rediculouse idea because it is a beautiful thing. Because what is the difference between racism and religiouse discrimination anyway? Im sorry, if you have this oppinion of discrimination, that it exists! If it is invading your personal space then the people who stand behind the swastica as a religiouse symbol are invading your personal space as well.
very interesting
Jyotirmaya,
Namaskar & thankyou for your comments.
As for Germany using the swastiks, I have mentioned to you that the Germans were in India on a fact-finding mission on all aspects of ancient Indian life & they borrowed a substantial amount of scientific as well as cultural information from all our ancient Hindu scriptures & ‘took’ the swastik with them in order to portray themselves as superior as our forefathers were & to portray that they were different from their Anglo-Saxon European brothers & descendants in Europe. Prior to this there was no history of the Swastik with the Germans.
The notion or misconception of there ever being an ‘Aryan’ invasion in India is a Western distortion of real historical facts as far as India is concerned.
I totally disagree with you on the so called 3 invading groups that you’ve described to me – its impossible & I feel you need to delve more into ancient Indian history & please study our sanskritic scriptures. There are no accounts of there ever having been an ‘Aryan’ invasion into India but there are accounts of our Aryan Kings at the time going out of ‘AryaVarta’ in order to conquer new lands in order to extend the boundaries of their relevant kingdoms. No way did our ancient scriptures come from the Mediterranean, nor from Europe and certainly not from China!!!
As far as China & Tibet are concerned, Tibet was a small Hindu kingdom & Chinese scholars were present in India until around 650 AD studying the scriptures & the Indian way of life. Buddhism was actually introduced to China by the great Emporaor Ashoka who also later on travelled as far as Egypt 6000 yrs ago.
There is nothing foreign about our culture or language as I have mentioned before – i.e. please do not distort Indian history & tradition in order make it appear that some European /Scandinavian foriegners gave us our civilisation and is by far more superior than anyone’s on Earth!!
Mohenjo-Daro is just an excavation find by European scientists & they named it so and around Sindh which has deep history in that region dating back well before the Royal King Jayadrath but since India is the most ancient land of them all , there were plenty that the Europeans found which had been either destroyed or burried under ground due to the span of time. This really proves nothing whatsoever that the Aryans were from outside!!
The word ‘Arya’ [sanscrit] in the ancient times was referred to a person belonging to the land as I had described earlier called AryaVarta -and one who was a member of the first 3 castes , with a noble upbringing and one who believed in & practised the Vedic scriptures, with Sanskrit being the language of the devas & being widely spoken in India at the time of the first 3 yugas & well into first half of kaliyug. According to our ancient history, any foriegn invaders were dealt with immediately & driven out of AryaVarta.
How then did these so called ‘Aryans’ from outside manage to invade us? Please explain & prove. And also you’ve mentioned Aryan cultures were from Scandinavia, the meditarranean & the alps!! Are you sure – really? Then why don’t the Scandinavians have Aryan or Sanscritic cuture or names? I would certainly like to know where you’ve got your history from.
As I have explained the Swastik represents Lord Vishnu – who is not mentioned in Scandinavian, German, mediterranean or Mongolian history texts – & the swastik’s four arms represent the four arms of Lord Vishnu – one holding the conch, one holding the mace, one holding the lotus & final one holding the chakra. Could you explain what’s so foriegn about this to India?
I’m sorry, I disagree with you totally and feel you are a victim of Western distortion of Indian history. I feel you need to study all the vedas,upanishads, mahapurans, Manusmritis etc & hopefully you will fully comprehend the West’s devious motives.
The discourses by P.R.Sarkar [never heard of him/her] is pure rubbish & proves nothing whatsoever as anyone nowadays can open their mouth & shout out anything & the masses will straight away believe blindly.
The Vishnu Chakra is a Hindu religious symbol, used as part of Vastu as well as other shastra yogas by ancient Aryajati people of India as well as by the modern Aryajati people today of India, which had been misused by the ignorant Nazi Germans & white racists all over & its about time that we Hindus put a stop to this misuse.
Namaska’ra Shivashakti, and thank you for your comments. I will try to respond to them as succinctly as possible.
“You’re wrong that there was any type of long Germanic/Aryan history� – what I was implying about my statements was that the Swastika had been used in Germany for quite a long period before the rise of the Nazi party, primarily as a good luck symbol. I have found evidence to suggest it was used in the 1800’s, as to exactly how far it goes back in this culture, I am unsure -probably nowhere near as far as it does in asian culture where it seems to date from as far back as the Rg Vedic period which starts around 15000 years ago. However, as to where the aryans were at this time, hopefully my comments below may shed some light.
Mohenjadaro is commonly known as a pre-Aryan culture by most historians, and the evidence of swastika use by this culture is in plain evidence in the British museum. To think that the swastika, then belongs exclusively to the aryans is a misnomer.
The aryan tribes, themselves are also not originally from India. Around 10 – 15 000 years ago they seemed to have moved south from the Caucasian area of southern Russia. The native tribes of India at that time were Austrics, Mongolians and Dravidians. These tribes were developed, especially in the practises of Tantra, and it is likely they would have been using the science of Yantra (sacred symbols), an integral part of Tantra. Therefore it might be that the swastika symbol was in use in India before the aryans moved there.
This quote from “Discourses on Tantra� by P.R Sarkar says some things about the Aryan origins:-
From this quote, it seems that the aryans cultures were originally from Scandinavia, the mediterranean and the Alps, the mediterranean aryans being largely the ones who migrated to India. It is also likely that the Germanic tribes were originally alpine Aryan.The period of Shiva that Sarkar refers to here is around 7500 years ago.
My point here, is that the swastika cannot be attributed to one particular creed, race or religion. It is a universal symbol for universal use. Anyone who uses it otherwise, defies the real power of this yantra.
My comment is directed at Jyotirmaya. You’re wrong that there was any type of long Germanic/Aryan history.There was no such thing – please study the history texts & scriptural texts of ancient India & all your answers are there.
Further, the Germans are an Anglo-Saxon race which conquered Britain etc within Europe. The notion of Aryanism was first discovered by the Germans when they were in India around the early 1800′s & were fascinated to find how ahead the ancient Hindu scriptures in science, medicine, astronomy, mathematics – in fact all aspects concerning human life on this Earth & the Cosmos -were & fraudulently borrowed a substantial amount of this information so as to make the Germans appear to be a master race. The Germans were never a part of the Aryan race which was indeginous only to India in the ancient times & the modern day Hindus of India are descendants or are the Aryan race.
India in the ancient days was referred to as AryaVarta – the land south of the Himalayas, north of the Vindhyas, with great rivers such as the Ganges flowing on its land – the people of AryaVarta were the Aryas who had a Vedic upbringing & lived according to all the Vedic texts which were in the first place when the Universe was being created initially recited by the Creator Lord Brahma.
The Vedic literature, Sanskrit which was referred to as the language of the devas, our sacred symbols such as aum & swastika or Vishnu Chakra, our Rishis & Munis – none of these are from Europe or elsewhere & there is nothing foreign about the vedic religion as it is wholly indeginous to India. None of this came from outside but was nurtured from within these borders.
Also the Swastika is only indeginous to ancient India & I find it difficult to believe it could have been ever used by other civilisations since it has a very in-depth meaning than just ‘Good-luck’!!!!
If anyone has photos of swastikas in their natural habitat, feel free to submit them to the Positive Swastikas photo-group on Flickr.com.
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There is a very interesting link to the Thule society started in 1918 in Germany to be found here:
http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html (check out their swastika logo…)
This society was founded by freemason Rudolf von Sebottendorff who was well schooled in occultism. The Thule society was the precursor to the Nazi party.
Also a very interesting discussion on swastika direction here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/swastika/discuss/101287/
I am not sure that I agree entirely with Ainur Elmgren when he concludes that the meaning of the swastika depends entirely on its cultural and historical context.
I do believe that the intellectual understanding of the swastika will vary. However, I am aware of the ancient science of yantra which explains that on an intuitional level a visual symbol may have subtle effects on one’s mind that would be difficult to measure.
I believe the philosopher PR Sarkar to have had great insight into science and spirituality and so I am inclined to take his ideas about the swastika seriously. See Symbolism.
It would be most interesting to be able to conduct experiments about the effects of meditating on the ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ swastikas.
All in all, what I am trying to express is that symbols, such as the swastika, may well have a power that we cannot easily fathom with the rational intellect.
The varied usage of the swastika over time may not be enough to explain or change its original meaning or to touch on its subtle power.
I just like to say that im a buddhist and a peacelover aight? Then Havin a pretty large Swastika (positive) tattoo on my back and my arm, I live in hell here in Denmark. These people dont have the guts to open the history book read to see what the difference is. I dont care what they think, sure many people has been killed in Holocoaust, my friends you know how many people has been killed by Ashoka, Before he was a buddhist? And am I not aloud to walk with a symbols that displays: Peace and good fortune, the somethin is really wrong with the world. Just be in my shoes, i have swastika “printed” into my skin so I can remove it really. what the EU gonna do to me? Ban me? rip my skin off? am I not aloud to respect my beflief?
I hope I didnt sound to harsh, it was just questions. I wanna reclaim my culture. Its funny that everything what the people in the vest ban is a connection with what be going on in the East for centuries. Puttin buddha statues in a lingerie model shop? Seriously how many in here have seen this? without even knowin the teachings by Lord Buddha,, they put the satue on a underwear shop?
Im not joking here. By the way. Im happy so see this website to talk bout it
Without fightin bout it .
Take Care.
Antti Kivivalli, above, linked to my humble website about the swastika in Finland. Thank you.
On swastika symbolism, I am a bit puzzled by the explanation of “negative” and “positive” swastikas on this website. reclaimtheswastika.com/symbolism/
If the so-called negative swastika “brings total annihilation”, to quote the scholar P. R. Sarkar, how come it is commonly used as a Buddhist symbol in Japan, even in maps as a symbol for temples? There is a different explanation here: http://www.shorinji-kempo.org/articles/manji/manji_en.html
The swastika is a universal symbol, but it has very different meanings depending on what historical and cultural context it is displayed in. If we agree that it is wrong to interpret the swastika as a Nazi symbol, will the next step be endless arguments about the “true” meaning of the symbol? Or can we accept the full historical background of the symbol, without censorship, but also without sentimentalism and romanticism?
Finland has been mentioned in the information parts of this site and also in these comments. Here are just a few minor details in the matter.
Like Wikipedia knows, the svastika was used as an emblem on the Finnish military airplanes until 1944 (not 1938), when at the end of the war Finland had to fulfill several demands dictated by the Soviet Union.
Even after that svastika has been used in the symbols of the Finnish air force, even though not on the planes. This information can be found also on their own web site – in Finnish – http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index.php?id=14 – Keyword is hakaristi. And you can see a svastika behind a propeller at http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index.php?id=87.
Also I found a funny detail in an article printed on Porilainen, a publication of the Finnish Army – http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/joukot/porpr/porilainen4_02.pdf . There is a story about the Russian president Voroshilov (sp?) wearing a Finnish honorary medal with a svastika when attending a dinner while visiting Finland in 1956!
There is also one interesting personal page on the use of svastika in Finland: http://www.ainurin.net/history/finnish_swastika.htm.
Many Finnish pages seem to say that the symbol is ‘ancient’ in Finland and that it has been used since the 19th century but it has been in everyday use as a decorative image and as one of the common carvings to confirm ownership or agreement even before the time of ink and paper but also after that.
In the late 19th and early 20th century there was an upsurge of new nationalistic art in Finland and one of the prominent artists, Akseli Gallen-Kallela used svastika in his art as well and not just when he designed the medals and emblems.
I think the key is in education. If the real history and purpose of the swastika is taught to youngsters, then over the next generation the world will truly appreciate its history and purpose.
I applaud your efforts here, but I fear that perhaps you might need to be patient for another decade or so. There are still many holocaust survivors whose personal horrors are too easily revived by the sight of the swastika. When these poor, tortured souls have finally gone to their rest the swastika may finally be cleansed of the blood so unjustly sprayed on it.
If everyone was better educated, I don’t think the swastika would have the bad PR it has today. I agree with jyotirmaya in saying that the root causes of its contemporary perception should be dealt with.
That said, I think anti-semites and general ne’er-do-wells will cling to the swastika just as hard (if not more so) as anyone who wants to point out its true meanings.
It’ll be a tough battle to be sure. Good luck!
David, you are right, the swastika indeed had plenty of usage in northern Europe and Germany before the 20th Century.
Here is a site with information about the swastika amongst Viking tribes in Norway & Sweden:
http://www.niflungen.de/ose/index_e.htm
Dada Ravi, it is good that you mention the ancient science of Yantra since, listening to the radio 4 interview the other day, it seemed that the religious leaders there had no clue as to the esoteric power of form.
Yantra science is still used today, in , e.g. Feng Shui or Steiner architecture where architects/designers with subtle minds are able to create flows of energy with structure.
The simplest and commonest form of a Yantra is just a cross – which incidentally predated the swastika as a spiritual symbol. The form of the cross has the effect on the mind of drawing attention/energy to the centre – the meeting point of the two axes. This is why it is used in e.g cross-hairs for sights.
Now add some dynamism to this symbol by adding some arms onto the ends of the cross to show movement toward the centre, the cosmic centre of the universe, and a swastika is born.
Its not just the swastika that needs reclaiming, it is the whole science of Yantra – a tremendous asset to humanity.
hello.Very pleased to see this site.my only suggestion is more information(that can be provided)on the use of the `swastika`in the northern european/germanic traditon.yes the nazi scum did not pluck it randomly out of the air but corrupted a symbol (the fylfot/hakkenkreuz)that has a long tradition of use amoingst the germanic tribes.Symbolic as it is of our arctic sun and the axis of the world in the heavens.Indeed in england what is credited with being one of the oldest rock carvings known is called simply `the swastika stone`.I chatted to a lady in her 80`s who reported it was known as that when she visited it as a child.I will get a photo to you.
keep up the good work! stop neo-nazi scum!Hail the swastika!
Thanks Jyotirmaya for your thoughts… your last sentence reveals the paradox of the whole matter, where you see divisive ISMs as the real problem and the solution:
On BBC radio 4 interview, most of the panelists believed the swastika is “irredeemable” – cannot be “reclaimed”, because in the european mind it has come – and largely continues – to mean “holocaust”.
Their tacit assumption may well be: “why not find another symbol”. Of course, the whole discussion so far as eskewed the vital point about the intrinsic and inherent potency / power, of certain geometric forms – symbols. In yoga science such things are called “YANTRA”
ISM IS THE REAL EVIL
It was not just that Hitler suddenly came into power and used the swastika as a symbol for his evil ends, the swastika had allready become extensively associated with German nationalism prior to the 1920′s, as the following quote from http://www.about.com shows
” A Change in Meaning In the 1800s
Countries round Germany were growing much larger, forming Empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.
By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts’ League.
In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels’ antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.
HITLER and the NAZIS
In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be “a symbol of our own struggle” as well as “highly effective as a poster.” (Mein Kampf, pg. 495).
On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis’ new flag: “In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic.” (pg. 496-497).
Because of the Nazis’ flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder. ”
The real evil here is nationalISM and antisemitISM, both taken to their disgusting end. Hitler was just the vehicle for these narrow human sentiments and the scapegoat for all their horrible consequences. Any “Ism” that separates human from human and sets up superiority or inferiority complexes in the mind of any particular group is the real evil we must fight.
The remedy – something universal, something permanently unifying, something spiritual symbolised by say………
a swastika!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The Swastika was used extensively as a symbol of good luck and good will in Germany and Europe before the second world war. There are existing greeting cards with this symbol on it. In fact, this is the reason why the German Nationalist party adopted it in the first place as their emblem (similar reasons, I guess to the current dove for the Liberal Democrats may the dove never come to represent such hatred!!!).
It was Hitler’s misuse of his power and control of the Nazi party which has led to all the negative associations of the symbol. But I think it is important to separate a symbol which dates back at least 10 000 years (please see the earliest artifacts in the British Museum from Mohendajaro with swastika engraved….) with a fascist who Devastated europe for a few decades.
If we want to learn from History, we should look at the whole spectrum of history, not just the last century
Swastika means optomism,progress and goodluck.
Can anyone verify why the nazis later tilted the swastika on a 45 degree angle? On the BBC radio 4 interview of 26th september, it was suggested that it was to symbolise that the third reich (Nazis) were on the move, and hoped to lead to a shift in the fortunes of the nazis in the war…
Thanks, Ralph, for your comments showing the Brahmin and Buddhist connections…
Regarding Rob’s idea about the reversing of the swastika by the Nazis, check out the Symbolism page on this site where the negative and positive swastikas are presented. Photos of the nazi swastika seem to show that they were the positive swastika, that is, with the tails flying back in an anti-clockwise direction.
The movement of the swastika is in anti-clockwise direction. I have heard from Indian yogiis that it represents the movement of the kundalinii (the coiled spiritual “energy”) in the base of the human spine which un-coils in an anti-clockwise direction when awoken with the power of an authentic mantra used in meditation…
After Finland gained independence in 1917 a Swedish Count presented the new country with
its first aircraft. The Count’s family symbol was the
swastika so this was adopted, blue on white (the
new Finnish colours – sky on snow) by the Finnish
air force. The German Baltic Corps was aware of
this usage and this may have been the route by which it became adopted by the Nazi party a few
years later. The Finnish air force ceased using the
symbol in 1938.
People should emphasise the fact that ancient swastika was not only upright but with its ‘arms’ rotating clockwise. It is a symbol of the sun, of time moving forward. The Nazi swastika is a perversion of this. Not only was it at an angle but the ‘arms’ are rotating counter-clockwise. It is a deliberate symbol of darkness.
On a radio programme on BBC Radio 4 broadcast on September 26, 2005 there was a Jewish panellist took offence over the mere possibility of the swastika being reclaimed. The swastika, he said, was a symbol that was beyond reclamation because of its association with the holocaust. I think the creator of this website, when he was being interviewed, didn’t mention the clockwise/ anticlockwise dimension to the swastika. The original symbol was not the same as the Nazi swastika. This should be publicised more if people are serious about reclaiming this symbol.
I am from a very old Brahmin family, and am myself a buddhist, the swastika has always been part of our symbolic beleive, if Moslems, and jews are aload to use their symbols then equally all faiths, be it Hindu, Buddhist, jew, moslems, christians, shaman whatever it is should be allowed to use there symbols. Also very important that the public understand the value of the swastika.