it sounds crazy but it brought luck in 1945 because the nazis wanted it to bring luck and help themselves win the war but because they were evil it didnt so the luck turned on them
Swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. Swastika symbol means ‘well being’ in Sanskrit. Hindus use the Swastika symbol on temples and at auspicious celebrations.
Hitler distorted the shape of the symbol and used it for his demonic deeds. It was the man, and not the symbol, who committed the sins. The Swastika will remain a symbol of well being for people all over the world. Let us redeem the auspicious Swastika.
First of all, what I am going to write is only what I believe in.
This is indeed a very sensitive topic. I believe this symbol didn’t just affected nations but various religious beliefs as well. To the fact that this symbol was not intentionally made for the Nazis.
But we have to face the reality. Anti-Semitism broke out, exposing this symbol at the wrong end. Hopefully, people should be careful in carrying this symbol. I believe it should only be used by religious sects who carry this symbol. If you are a Christian and believer of God of Israel, I believe you have no reason to carry this symbol. Israeli’s are our brothers and sisters of our faith. Though, most have not received the Messiah, they are G-D’s first-fruits and has not rejected them (Isaiah 31:36-37). Please, if it is not necessary, let us not make them remember of their painful past by using this symbol.
I will not blame this symbol as a trigger for anti-Semitism and not even the Nazis. If there was a trigger, this person is the true culprit (see link)
Last note: I suggest that this blog should change its tagline “The symbol for spiritual victory”. You must have mean well, but this can also suggest that Christians have won over the Jews as G-d’s people. Since Hitler is a Christian and has reasoned to destroy the Jews for religious purposes. Again, it is only a suggestion.
AISHA DO U KNOW WHAT DOES THE WORD ” ADOLF HITLER” STANDS FOR ??
ADOLF MEANS ” NOBLE OR VERY KIND GENTLE BEAST ”
AND HITLER MEANS ” ONE WHO LIVES INSIDE HUT ”
HENCE HE IS LORD PARASHURAMA BY HIS GERMAN NAME !!
WHY HITLER & HIMMLER STUDIED BIBLE , KURAN
& BHAGVAT GITA ? BECAUSE THEY WERE EVIL ??/
THE SS ALWAYS TOOK THE PLEDGE ON” BHAGVAT GITA” BEFORE MARCHING TOWARDS ENEMY TERRITORIES ?? WHY THE GERMAN SOLDIERS WERE ALWAYS REMINDED THAT ” GOD ALMIGHTY IS ALWAYS WITH THEM ??/
THEY COULD HAVE TOOK THE SIDE OF SATAN INSTEAD ?/
MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT HITLER USED ” SKULL & BONES ” SYMBOL BECAUSE HE WAS EVIL ? THOSE WHO THINK R FOOLS ??
HE USED ” SKULL & BONES SYMBOL ON RINGS , INSIGNIA, MILATARY BADGES BECAUSE HE WANTED GERMANS NOT TO FEAR DEATH !!!
HITLER IS ONE PERSON WHO WAS RESPECTED BY BOTH HIS
” FRIENDS AND ENEIMIES ALIKE !!!
WAHTS !! THE MYSTERY OF “DOUBLE THUNDER BOLT ” TWISTED 44 ” SYMBOL OF HITLER ”
BECAUSE WHEN GERMAN SS SOLDIERS WORE THAT MYSTERY 44 DASHING SIGN ,
IT GAVE HITLER THE IMPRESSION THAT ” THE GATES OF HEAVEN SUDDENLY OPENED WITH A THUNDEROUS ROAR , WITH A TWIN CELESTIAL LIGHTNING OF VERY HIGH VOLTS) STRIKING THE ENEMY AND WORLD ROLLED INTO ” GERMAN BLITZ CRIEG ”
HAIL THE GERMAN FUHRER, HAIL THE THIRD REICH & HAIL THE NAZI GERMANY !!!!!!!
HIMMLER DESIGNED A FORMULA AMONG THE SS
” ADOLF HITLER = LORD BUDDHA = LORD KRISHNA
DO U KNOW ????????AISHA
AISHA GO & FIND OUT IN ENCYLOPEDIA , IN WHAT COUNTRY WAS TELEVISON INVENTED ?
IN WHAT COUNTRY WAS HELICOPTER INVENTED & WHY ITS BLADE REVOLVES LIKE A SWASTIKA?
AISHA FIND OUT WHO WAS THE FIRST MAN WHO SENT INTER STELLER EMISSIONS TO OUTER SPACE ?
WHO MADE LINKS WITH DISTANT STAR
ALDEBARAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!?//////// AND ITS PEOPLE ???
WHY “HOLY GRAIL” WAS PROJECTED AND BY WHOM ?
WHO HELD THE INVINCIBLE “LANCE OF THE LONGINOS” & WHY ?
THE FINGER POINTS ” ONE BILLION TIMES ”
TOWARDS “ADOLF HITLER & HIS THIRD REICH”
TELL ME MS OR MRS AISHA WHY DID FUHRER WAS A VERY GOOD PAINTER ???????
&
WHY HITLER PAINTED
” MOTHER MARRY WITH LITTLE JESUS IN HER HANDS ” AISHA U R READING THIS ? FIND OUT WITH UR NATIVE DEFAMATION COUNCIL ABOUT THIS THAT WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS PAINTING ????????
OR ELSE U & UR TEAM WOULD LIKE TO AWARD
JEWS WITH NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR THEIR CANNIBALISM AND THE BRUTALITY WITH WHICH THEY CRUCIFIED JESUS ? THIS IS WHAT U WANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????/
FIRST USE UR BRAIN & CHECK THE TRUTH , THEN GIVE THE JUDGEMENT THAT I AM AN IMBLIC ? AND SO AND SO ?/!!!!
ya, what u always see is not true ? tell me aisha
how u judge people weather they r true or false?
what do u know about the world? u think those who r very soft and polite are always nice? thats like a “WOLF IN THE LAMB’S CLOTHING”
I THINK U NEVER RESPECT ABILITY HUMAN BEINGS & HARD FACTS !!!
!! U IMAGINE LIKE AN OSTRICH IMAGINE TO FLY?
TAKE AN EXAMPLE AND ANSWER ?
1. why a not a single jew was killed in 9/11 attack?any Answer? go, and find out the truth? go and please ask the american secret service about this IF THEY ARE VERY KIND & POLITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????/
2 . was it just mere incident ? any answer? why iraqi wepaons inspector david kelly was assassinated in london?, why bill cooper was assasinated in usa regarding 9/11 attacks ? ?//
i have the answer, because BIN laden never did the attack, it was planned by TWO NON MUSLIM NATIONS” ##### #### ” somewhere in asia !!!! david kelly new those dark players !!! thats why he was !!!!!!!!!! gone !!!!!!! finished !!
asliha u r like the ignorant ostrich bird that i mentioned earlier?
u may know the truth or corrupt or biased towards americans ? may be !!
media is not neutral ? is it ? have u ever heard about the alien (reptilian) attack in 1990 at johenisburg in south africa , those people who absorbed electricity from the town ? or ur media either hide those secrets?/ or playing ignorance !!!
why admiral bird , the US naval commander who led the MILITARY expeditions to polar regions was not allowed to speak truth or publish his notes in 1947 ? , go & find out ?, u will know something that u can never imagine !! ABOUT THE great GERMAN FUHRER !!
all the secrets will be revealed during judgement days!!
FIRST INVESTIGATE THESE MATTER BEFORE BASHING OTHERS , IF U REALLY CALL URSELF EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT !!!
Aisha chill out, that comment was only meant to be a joke, a sarcastic extension to what david vaughan is saying (btw I was watching robin williams stand up comedy while posting this)
You clearly have not read any of my previous comments
Hitler used the swastika for a variety of reasons!!!
and as a DEDICATION TO HIS MOTHER!!!!!!!!! He saw it as a representation of the intentions of the Nazi party in uniting Germany again. It would be similar to a maniacal dictator today using the symbol from the red cross as a crest to give a similar example. The symbol in itself was only looked upon negatively after the second world war, and before this it was an acceptable pattern to use
in a multitude of things.
Hitler adopted the swastika as the symbol for his Nazi party because it originally represented PEACE !!! CAN’T WE SEE PEACE AFTER WW2 !!
MAJORITY OF NATIONS GOT INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITISH RULE BECAUSE OF HITLER’S COUNTER ATTACK IN EUROPE AFRICA & THROUGH JAPAN IN ASIA !WHICH TACTICALLY ALLOWED THE RETREAT OF BRITISH TROOPS FROM ASIA ,AFRICA ,AUSTRALIA TOWARDS EUROPE WEAKENING THE OVERSEAS BRITISH TERRITORIES AND LOWERING BRITISH RESISTANCE AGAINST THEIR FREEDOM MOVEMENTS !!! ,
HITLER NEVER INVADED VATICAN, NEITHER HE INVADED ANY POOR COUNTRY !! HE PLAYED THE ROLE OF GERMAN ROBIN HOOD !! ROB THE RICH AND HELP THE POOR !!! HE FOUGHT A MANIAC VIOLENT WAR TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE SLEEPING KINGDOMS IN ASIA & AFRICA!!
MAJORITY OF THE NEWLY INDEPENDENT NATIONS FOCUSSED ON THEIR 5 YEAR PLANS AND AGRICULTURE AFTER WW2 . HENCE HITLER BROUGHT PEACE TO WORLD THROUGH WW2 !!!
He saw this as a message to the German people that his party was to end all the turmoil and unrest in Germany at the time. There was of course at the time a lot of upheaval and poverty in Germany still lingering as a byproduct of the loss of the WW1. The instability came then from the various political and workers parties tried to seize power from the
ineffectual government put in place in the wake of the WW1
i dont know why the swastika is now illegal to display in many western countries because of this association, and if you were to display the swastika anywhere people would immediately assume you had extreme right wing views??. It is illegal to have a
tattoo of a swastika for example, if you want to join the police force or the military as well !!!
The association of the swastika as a symbol of fascism alone is of course an unfairrepresentation of the symbol, which can be found in many locations globally dating back for hundreds of years!!!
SWASTIKA is also involved in the development of cars. “VOLKS WAGAN BEETLE ” was personally designed by hitler , particularly the beetle shape.
the volkswagan beetle model is very rare version and it is belived that it has some sort of link with the occult.
Adolf Hitler gave the order to Ferdinand Porsche to develop a “Volks-Wagen”. The name means “people’s car” in German, in which it is pronounced [?folksv??g?n]). Hitler required a basic vehicle capable of transporting two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph). The “People’s Car” would be available to citizens of the Third Reich through a savings scheme at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle (an average income being around 32RM a week).[5]
The car was designed to be as simple as possible mechanically, so that there was less to go wrong; the aircooled 985 cc 25 hp (19 kW) motors proved especially effective in actions of the German Afrika Korps in Africa’s desert heat. This was due to the built-in oil cooler and the superior performance of the flat-4 engine configuration. The innovative suspension design used compact torsion bars instead of coil or leaf springs. The Beetle is more or less airtight and will float on water; indeed, it is hard to slam the door on one since the difference in air pressure pushes it back before it shuts.
when the beetle car moved with highly motivated drivers, it is beleived to have created a magnetic flux like a rotating swastika and restored spooky links with the unkown past.!!
the nazis developed another form of swastika from the anti clock wise swastika known as the ” “RAINBOW SWASTIKA” .
Their was an occult theory amongst the nazis about the sun considering it a spiritual source of power.
the sun was considered a moving swastika from inside which carried 7 fragments of colour usually in a rainbow . hence sun was considered a rainbow swastika from which all the seven coloured races emerged on earth in seven different continents .
hitler was not dead. it was a media hoax & soveit propaganda !!. even the commander in chief of SOVEIT FORCES GEORGI ZHUKHOV, comander of the 1st & 2nd bylorussian & the don front marshall KNOSTANTINN ROKOSOVVSKY,
GENERAL TIMOSHEKO commander in chief of the soveit air army , the KGB & the elite russian smerch divisions confessed in front of JOSEPH STALIN that they were unable to find hitler dead or alive in berlin !!
hitler’s double was killed and his body was burnt immdiately to give the impressions of hitler’s death to bring down the morale of german public!!
stalin in rage , snatched the personal possesions of hitler like his paintings, his track suites , blazers,wardrobes,his writing pens etc.
after the fall of germany , hitler built a ” rainbow city ” somewhere (i am not disclosing) in southern hemisphere which comprised of prisoners of war (POW (non -jews ) , more than 2000 scientists from italy & germany , young teenagers , youths , women , and large amount of ss and german soldiers.this new reitch used to wear the rainbow swastika and were armed with beam lazers and flying saucers !!!
nazis was even helped by good aliens in rehabiltating this city.
After being attacked and bashed for saying that the symbol known as the SWASTIKA is BEAUTIFUL, I found this site. And I am very glad to have found it!
Ignorance must be bliss to the people who call for the ban of this symbol.
How about learning to look past what you were “conditioned” to beLIEve? The swastika has a rich and beautiful history and it’s a true shame that people can’t get that in their thick fucking skulls.
” PROJECT DWARKA ” HAS TO BE UNDERTAKEN UNDER WATER IN THE EASTERN ENDS OF ARABIAN SEA NEAR DIU AND DAMAN ISLANDS TO LOACATE THE “ORIGINAL SWASTIKA”
DWARKA IS THE EXACT ORIGIN OR THE “NAVAL OF THE SWASTIKA”. THIS IS THE EXACT PLACE WERE THE SWASTIKA APPEARED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WHEN LORD KRISHNA WAS HIT WITH AN ARROW ON HIS LEG HE DISAPPEARED TO HEAVEN IN A MYSTERIOUS MANNER AND A SWASTIKA WAS FOUND IN PLACE OF HIS DEAD BODY.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THIS CITY IS MADE OF GOLD AND IT SANK DURING “ERA OF GREAT FLOODS.” IN THE 2ND TRANSITION AGE REFERRED TO AS THE “LOST CITY OF ATLANTIS” IN OUR WESTERN HISTORICAL FACTS.
I AM NOT DISCLOSING, BUT THERE IS A PLACE ON EARTH SOME WHERE IN ASIA FROM WHERE A LADDER WITH AT LEAST 3 STEPS TO HEAVEN CAN BE SEEN !!!. THE REST OF THE LADDER IS UNSEEN AS WE R LIVING IN THE AGE OF DARKNESS!! I CAN SHOW U SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, DON’T RUSH TO CONCLUSION AS HOAX WITH OUT JUDGING IT PROPERLY!! THERE ARE CERTAIN INVISIBLE CREATURES WHICH WE CAN NOT SEE WITH OUR NAKED EYES IN HIMALAYAS , BUT WE CAN AT LEAST SEE THEIR SHADOWS USING INFRA RED CAMERAS!!
HITLER WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO INVISIBLE BEINGS KNOWN AS “GHANDARVAS” (HINDU WORD OR ANGELS ) AROUND HIM. EVEN IN THE FUHRER BUNKER HE WAS SEEN AS TALKING NEGOTIATING WITH INVISIBLE SPIRITS ” HOW TO ESCAPE ”
GERMANS DEVELOPED MOST OF THEIR ARMY & WEAPONS
V1,V2 ,UFOS,SUBS BASED ON HINDU WAR SCIENCE CALLED AS ” SHIVA DHANUR VIDYA” ( ART OF WAR TAUGHT BY LORD SHIVA)
GERMANS EVEN PLANNED A SOLAR GUN 5000 MILES ABOVE EARTH’S SURFACE.
GERMANS DEVELOPED” CELESTIAL HINDU WAR SCIENCE ENIGMA CODE” FOR SPECIAL EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TELEMETRY AND TRACKING OF ALIENS AND COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
THE SECRET THULE AND THE VIRIL SOCIETY STUDIED THESE ENIGMA TACTICS FROM INDIA.!!!
well , your excellency , please look at a few facts which will show a great light on the hidden past of swastika and mr hitler, because he had been criticized every where for adopting this symbol, why he did that ?
the Jewish behavior had a lot to do with the Jewish holocaust . jews were bullying,thuging the ordinary german folks and taking over there business, lands and property and destroying the German culture.
Jews were very clever and in order to take over Germany completely they needed to deplete the racial quality of Germans .
Jews imported Negroes from Africa in large quantities to bastardize the white Germans on a massive scale which fueled anger in the Nazis .
this lead to the sterilization propaganda by Nazis!!
according to newton’s 3rd law of motion ” every action has its equal and opposite reaction”. is applicable for the steralization and ugenics.
Nazis adopted swastika from Tibet . although Tibetans are dark skinned , but Nazis loved them because Tibetans were very simple, kind and manly” good human behavior is what matters to all kinds of humanity on earth ” is what Hitler said.
do you know ” Hitler developed Germany and the Reich on the basis of hidden society of Tibet.
staffer was the missionary who was sent to tibet to study their culture . The present Dalia lama was a great friend of Hitler, Hitler was all praise for 7 year Dalai and his Tibetan culture.
scaffer watched Tibet thoroughly and reported ” there were a group of armed men on yaks and horses who were surrounding the Dalai lama for his missions and meetings. these were the personal body guards of the Dalai lama . scaffer was so much impressed with them that he reported this matter to Himmler for creating such a inner gestapo bodyguard for the German fuhrer which we come to know as the dreaded GERMAN CRACK FORCE
” SS”.
HITLER HAD SECRET PARANORMAL POWERS.
HITLER POSSESSED A SUPERNATURAL MANDRAKE ROOT WHICH PROPELLED HIM TO POWER IN 1933.
HINDUS CLAIM THAT THIS MANDRAKE WAS NOTHING BUT “LORD SHIVA” . AND HITLER (LORD PARASHURAMA ) IS A STUDENT OF LORD SHIVA.
NO BODY KNOWS WHY EUROPEAN HITLER IS ALL PRAISE FOR THE ” MIGHTY HIMALAYAS “. HE EVEN GIFTED THE KING OF NEPAL WITH A BEAUTIFUL TELESCOPE SO THAT HE CAN VIEW THE HIMALAYAS VERY CLOSELY. SUCH WAS HITLER!!!
HE WAS ABLE TO SEDUCE ANY MAN, ANY WOMEN AND THE ENTIRE GERMAN POPULOUS AT HIS WILL” HE WAS A GREAT BLACK MAGIC HYPNOTIZE R
FROM TIBET AND BRITISH INDIA HE BROUGHT SEVERAL HINDU PRIESTS AND BUDDHIST LAMAS TO GERMANY WHO TRAINED THE GERMAN MILITARY GENERALS OF THE ”
” ART OF ASTRAL PROJECTIONS”
THROUGH ASTRAL PROJECTION A PERSON CAN BE SEEN AS SLEEPING AT NIGHT, BUT STILL HIS SUB CONSCIOUS BRAIN WILL BE CALCULATING THE PLANNING OF THE ENEMY, THE THREAT POSED BY THE ENEMY, THE IMPLICATION OF THIS THREAT. THAT’S WHY “HITLER WAS ABLE TO ESCAPE “BECAUSE HE KNEW THE THREAT VERY EARLIER.
I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS. I KNOW WHICH COUNTRY IS KNOW AS ” THE GOG & MEGOG” MENTIONED IN BIBLE , AND HOW WW3 WILL COMMENCE AND ALSO ABOUT THE JUDGEMENT DAYS AFTER WW3. BUT GOD DOESNT WANT BE REVEAL THESE SECRETS RIGHT KNOW.
930. david vaughan said: February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!”
RESPONSE:
There is nothing for us to understand. We already do.
It has already been reminded that “SWASTIKA” is HINDU! We & others have already reminded, that, All other versions are individual resemblances separate from the Hindu symbol, all of which have absolutely Nothing to do with the Hindu “Swastika!”
Can we move on?
david vaughan said:
“only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !! ”
RESPONSE:
This also has aready been covered!
It is unfortunate that the entire world has been brainwashed into believing and accepting that any resemblance to the Hindu Swastika is, in fact, a “Swastika!”
It is equally unfortunate that just as we American Indians (over 600 Nations) are stuck with names that are NOT OURS given to us by Caucasions from European ancestry, and that we are all, also, stuck with the Name “Swastika” for all symbols resembing and/or shaped similar to the Hindu symbol! This also is the corruption and bastardization so prevailent among the Caucasoid Races.
Again, can we plead Move On?
david vaughan said:
“a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.”
RESPONSE:
Let’s stay within the subject matter.
Certainly, a wolf wearing sheep’s atire does not make the wolf become a sheep! Obviously!
930. david vaughan said:
“no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.”
RESPONSE:
Again, this forum is not (so much) about “atrocities!” It is chiefly about the revival & recaimation of the Swastiks (and not wishing to play into your game of Semantics) all forms that have been perceived by others around the globe as “Swastika!”
We neither appologize for having to use the World-Accepted name of Swastika imposed upon the world by Caucasoids, than we should appologize for having to call ourselves “Cherokee, Delaware, Huron, Sioux or any of the other hundreds of the Caucasoid bastardizations and corruptions of our real names!
930. david vaughan said:
“i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.”
RELEVANCY?
930. david vaughan asked:
“thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!”
RESPONSE:
We suggest that you ask a Jewish person for any answers pertaing to Jewish issues and to ask any others, reative to any and all questions pertaining to issues that are not American Indian or World Indian.
The Minister, is NOT JEWISH! He, nor we are qualified to answer Jewish related questions.
As for anyone’s levels of poverty, this is not within the scope of “Recaiming” the swastika!
Jeez…Chill out. The swastika is a beautiful symbol (before Hitler pranced around with it). All this bickering on this forum seems to go against what the swastika stands for. Take some deep breaths.
931. david vaughan asked:
“TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?”
February 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm.
REPLY:
This is far beyond the scope of what our Embassy, this web forum or the subject of reviving & reclaiming the swastika is about.
To answer your question, we suggest that you do a bit of your own homework.
man always argue with god!!.
people in western societies are so liberal and speak about freedom that they forgot the bible!!
men become devoid of his true commitment towards god !!, if gays, lesbians, homosexuals are legal , then war is certainly legal!!. the television media has played a negative role in spreading pornography, horror, war holocausts etc. etc
no administration takes any action to clean this mutilated human society of ours!!
if Jewish holocast victims are still alive, Hiroshima and veitnam victims r also alive, when we view it from our western pespective swastika is ours and we r true,
when Germans, Asians and Tibetans view it from there perspective, swastika is their’s and they r true.
sooner or later, these kind of arguments will result in more bitterness and hostility amongst nations paving way for the 3rd world war!!
we r behaving like an ostrich bird which cant fly when it sees a lion! it puts its head inside a borrow of a squirrel and gets the imagination under darkness that its safe and no body is near it, while the reality is that its entire body is vulnerable to an attack by the lion!!
always we should be practical in life!!, just imagining peace and saying a few words in favour of whites wll not serve the purpose,
for every mountain their is a valley !!after valley another mountain arises!! same is with happiness and sorrows, and same is with war and peace!!
after war, there is peace !!!, after the peace , there is war !! swastika takes both war and peace on its rotation !!
TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?
i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!
only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!
a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.any body can adopt swastika, any nation any country!!
no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.
i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.
thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!
but Jew wants to put his leg crossed and expects other’s money to flow into his pocket. weather its Pepsi or oil from Iraq or selling American defense technology to china, the Jew is gaining money from everything world wide!!!
Those idiots who call themselves white supremacists and use the swastika as such are none other than brainwashed individuals who were spoonfed false information about the true meaning of the swastika. Those d*ckheads who are desecrating mosques, synagogues and muslim cementeries with swastikas (and also celtic crosses) are only doing a favor to those who want to ban the swastika.
Someone said earlier who needs symbols anyway? Well if you don’t believe in symbols then don’t use them, but don’t tell others who believe in them not to use them.
Sadly we live in a world where the only information we see about this sacred symbol is the one associated with the Nazis because its all about what sells and what drives the public ire. I have put pictures of different forms of swastikas on my facebook profile (hope I won’t get deleted) in order to carry out my message. I’m not stupid enough to believe that the holocaust was a hoax, the reason why people called it a hoax was because it helped create the state of Israel, and you already know the rest. Why don’t we let the 6 million innocent jews who died at the hands of misinformed idiots rest in peace and we can carry on with our lives, of course, remembering those victims. I do not believe they will judge us from trying to resurrect the swastika
For the love of all that is Humanly scared “Please” just let it go, the symbol’s origins are not with A.H. he stoled it because he felt it had magical powers, much the same as Christians did they cross despite the warning in the Bible not to have any engraven images . The origins of the swastika are Native American and if anyone has the right to display it they do its about pride alright if they choose to display it in that light they so be it, For you Christians you’d be more concerned about the Cross you display for if my son was shot with a 357 then all around the country people began to wear a 357 around there neck or in there ears i’d be beyond words pissed as your God ! My guess is your God is rather pissed, so clean your door steps 1st and leave the Native Americans to there owe Devises and Symbols and God’s for you have done more to destroy a people than Hitler could have ever , chew on that for a spell !
It is most prudent, at least for a number of years, until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world, that great care be maintained to avoid using the Swastika version as has been designed or re-designed by the Nazi’s!
There are far too many resembling ones around the world that no one has to use the German/Nazi form. The pre-Nazi German form MAY BE PERMISSIBLE, but NOT That used by Nazi’s..
There IS a DIFFERENCE between that used by the German form & that used by Hitler and Nazi’s!
Anyone can even, also, creat a new version, one of your own! Be Creative! Be Colorful, etc.
924. Masato said:
“…..Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol…..”
OUR RESPONSE:
We do not wish to constantly repeat the same message, over, and over, and over, ad infinitum, so lets look at just one item in this ongoing and non-stopable repetition:
As we and others have been reminding everyone, the Swastika is not evil, nor “BAD!”
The Swastika or one of the symbols resembling its, shape, etc, but NOT the HINDU “SWASTIKA” , being “a Symbol”, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand!
The issue has not been nor is it now, a sole matter of being a symbol or its evil, good or bad portrayal.
The issue is about a handfull of entities Coercing the entire world into beliefing and accepting that the symbol is bad or evil rather than those who have and still misuse it being bad and/or evil!
Certainly there are going to be those who only see through their own bind and hate-filled eyes and attitudes, who will give you and others some difficulty for using it.
What is most important in this quest to revive and restore the swastika-like symbols to their rightful places and positions, as well as usage in the world communities that has held it dear if not sacred!
Equally important, is, if you and others have the backbone to stand your ground and not throw in the towel, thereby submitting yet again to the cruel and heartless, and selfish dictates of these few Bullies!
IN OUR LIFETIME, This SACRED SYMBOL, WILL BE “RESPECTED” AGAIN, and, BY ALL!
I recently Uploaded a Swastika as a profile picture for like Myspace, and crap.
People say non stop.. Change your picture you gay nazi..
Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol.. Are you bleeding? No… It’s not hurting any one.. I can understand if someone who had bad exp with the symbol asked me to remove it(Nicely) then I would gladly do it.
All I get is You — hole, Gay nazi, —- you! They say the swastika is a racist symbol and isn’t used today only by nazis, kkk, and other groups..
Someone even said it lost it’s meaning in 1800’s..and I should even care of it’s old meaning because I am not a buddist I am american.. Even if it was for buddist or any other group.. I will gladly wear a swastika to try to help bring it’s old meaning back.
If you visit the Anti Defamation League website you will see clearly that under each “neo-nazi” symbol they make it very clear that non-racist neo-pagans use them as well and each symbol should be judged according to the context, NOT the symbol itself
I carry a Lauburu (basque swastika) around my neck because its a symbol that gives me a lot of strength and confidence (maybe it’s psychological but hey, whatever works).
Some retard claimed that the swastika is only an Aryan symbol, well guess what, the Basques are NOT Aryan NOR are they Indo-European , their origins are unknown and their language predates that of any indo-european language. Even the lauburu was found on ancient rock paintings. The reason why the swastika is banned is because post WW2 society wanted to adopt a “never again” policy, claiming that history repeats itself. Why is the swastika banned and not the Christian cross??? good question…
Banning the swastika would be like banning the Star of David, or the Menorah. I don’t think Jews would want that would they?
History repeats itself…well duh…as long as there are ignorant fools living in this world brainwashing people just for their own benefits.
I do have many Jewish friends who, despite what they feel about the symbol, do acknowedge and recognize that it has more than one meaning. Those few who still claim that it was a symbol of hate are just doing it out of pride, arrogance, ignorance, and perhaps fear…
Banning the Swastika is a part of the Jewish Holocaust religion that is at the moment holding the western world as a hostage.
It has become a copy of the medieval Inquisition putting none believers in jail and making the outcasts in the society.
This vicious tampering with our freedom of both thought and speech should be banned as it does not belong in our time.
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
And that PREGNANCY AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
Or that PREGNANCE AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
I THINK HITLER HAD THE AIDS VIRUS HITLER WANTED TO SPREAD THE AIDS virus to all the jews THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO CREATE THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO SPREAD CANCER AND DEATH TO ALL JEWS HITLER USED EUGENICS TO CREATE AIDS HITLER WAS A CONSTIPATED man HITLER DIED FROM THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWATSTIKA IS USED TO CREAT AIDS THE SWATISKA IS USED TO CREAT HATE READING THIS MIGHT LOWER YOUR IQ TO ZERO
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true? ? < This one means bad?
I seriously see nothing wrong with the Swastika.. Hitler used it yes.. that was bad..
Now when people see the Swastika on someones body they think Nazi or KKK.
I am american, but I think the symbol should be used how it was.
I will gladly get a Swastika tattooed on my body..
They can hate me or beat me up for it.
I will stick to what I think it means and hate the people who turned it into something to be feared.
Though I want to know if ? is really a bad one.. I read that both are good and mean good luck.
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese
RESPONSE: Yes, Germany had these, Hitler and the SS didn’t get around to the full extermination of them yet! However, Hitler and the SS did manage to have their Doctor Death’s STERILIZE many of the children of these people while the children were in school and without the knowlege or consent of their Black parents or any of the others.
Children of Mixed race were taken out of scholl by Hitler’s SS and Sterilized without parents knowlege or consent so as to render these children incapable of ever bearing offspring.
Now, this forum is NOT about the History or atrocieites of Hitler, the SS or the Nazi’s.
This forum is about RECLAIMing the SWASTIKA. Let’s keep within the subject of this forum!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
Neither Hitler or the Nazi’s “STOLE” the Swastika! Countries and Peoples around the world had a form that resembled the sign of the Hinu’s.
The fact is, that Germany had a form of their own, long before Hitler was born. Hitler merely had the German version re-designed!
found a zipper pull (?) in the desert that says “southwestern coat company —
shippers of the famous swastika coals.
list of :
Amarillo
Oklahoma City
Witchita
on the back
does anyone know any history on this or can find more than I can on the internet. Hope someone can help
hitler knew in early 1943 that he he had lost the war on all sides !! still he continued the war.
the land of israel has to be created at all costs, it is must !even at the cost of germany !!
he told to his fellow military generals again and again at several occasions.
” WE OUGHT TO BEAR ON OUR VISORS THAT PARTICULAR TASK THAT HEAVEN EXPECTS US TO FULFILL !!!” he was godly !! know doubt.
a murdrer or dictator never use the word ” GOD & HEAVEN”. HITLER IS SERIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE WESTERN COUNTIRIES because he waged war against them for a noble cause !!!
unlike dictators, hitler loved to paint , sing , dance , he loved children and he had peacefull relationship with missionaries of the vatican city. every german soldier has a belt written with words
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese working in their army.
there hatred for jews was because of jewish behaviour of cheating and looting people.
the jews who migrated to america , europe and canada became capitalists and the jews in eastern europe and sovet russia became socialists!!
what a double game by the jews !!
thus it is the jew , who became a socialist tool for the war against capitalist “himself!! what a fine game !!
hitler knew the wickedness of these jews, further as per the god’s protocol in holly bible, jews will become spiritually alive only when they touch the soil of jerusalam. isarel is the holly land of jews the zionists !!
hitler only killed Jews to shock the Jewish community. Hitler allowed the Jews in large quantities to migrate to Israel from Germany after 1935. he repatriated Jews from conquered Ukraine, Finland, Denmark and Poland after he conquered those lands, towards Israel. he also used the spiritual symbol “yellow star of David ” to claim the title of ” lord king of Jews” in parallel with the divine ” swastika” because Jews do not believe in any god ! they believe that there god will come from king David’s dynasty.
Hitler is nothing but the divine “hunter” specified in holly bible who drove Jews from faraway lands, mountains, beaches and castles towards god’s own land “Jerusalem”
shock wave will really get a shock wave!! if he reads bible from the core of his spiritual heart !!
this topic is itself connected to the past of swastika as the responsible man who held swastika had great responsibilities towards the creation of Israel!!!
i would only say that swastika is a “great power”.
as per spider man’s quote ” with great power, comes great responsibilities”.
Wow, I really don’t understand any of what the people here are saying, but one thing I know is, During really ancient times, this sign was just fine. The Nazis stole it with their crimes, but now it is mine. SCREW THE NAZIS! I’m not attempting to minimize the abominations committed by them. If anything, I’m trying to show the extent to which these abominations were committed. Many are not aware of just how extensive these abominations are. They perverted the swastika. They perverted “Deutschland Über Alles.”
People are now afraid of these things, and being afraid of these things really doesn’t solve anything. The swastika didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did. “Deutschland Über Alles” didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did.
And now, the same way the Nazis killed many millions because they were looking for a simple answer, a nonexistent shortcut, for a better world, people now fear “Deutschland Über Alles” and fear and sometimes even ban the swastika, because they are looking for a shortcut to a world free of bigotry. Well, as far as I’m concerned, letting just a few decades of abominations erase thousands of years of beauty, IS bigotry.
if the world hate nazis so much then why some nazis were give top jobs in us instead of being sent to the electric chair?
operation “paper clip” mentions the president Truman’s policy to relocate top Techno-military bosses of the Nazis like MR WERNER VON BROWN, VICTOR SHOWEBERGER , ALBERT EINSTEIN & AUTTOHANN TO USA. why such a double cross if you really hate nazis and their reich?
werner von brown built saturn -5 based on nazi v2 rockets and propelled americans to moon.
americans captured nazi u-boat nemisis during ww2 with simple fission nuclear bombs inside. they engineered it at Manhattan to built the n- bomb.
showberger was working for hitler’s ufo force which built haunabu-1 and 2. so swastika brought a lot of technology to usa from nazi germany !!
anonymous is moving away from the subject.
anonymous might have took birth from the branch of a tree ?
a mother spends 10 month to give birth to a child to see it alive. just imagine what would have happened if anonymous’s mother had aborted him. he might not be speaking like this??
the swastika describes the ” time machine” . its not mere imagination of MR HG WELLS” ITS absolutly true.
if we consider swastika as clock of 60 minute cycle, then we can divide the four legs each of 15 minutes.
that means the four legs describe the four permanent ages through which the time passes.
these are
1. the satya yuga ( the ice age)
2. the treta yuga ( the age of sun)
3.the dwapara yuga ( the 2nd transition age)
4. the kaliyuga ( the age of chaos(darkness)
presently we r living in the kaliyuga (age of darkness).
after the age of chaos the ice age will begin on earth again and so the age of sun and like wise.
people do not understand why war & peace occur at regular intervals.
our solar system has nine planets and they move around the sun. by law of physics, if any object move around a device in a centripital pattern, it produces magnetic field.
when these nine planets with varried sizes move around the sun nine different types of magnetic fields are produced. these fields definitly influence all kinds of vegitations, plants, animals, humans, aleins,reptilians,zetans all of them .
when the huge planet saturn and the planet mars come near the earth the negative magnetic energies emitted from them on earth, leads to war , destruction and annihilation.
how man can stop it ? can he stop the rotation of saturn and mars ?
when venus , mercury and jupiter which are considered the good planets impart their energies,then love peace and prosperity is bestowed on earth.
so technically and from an astrological sciense point of view , its is not possible to stop the rotation of war. it will appear again and again for a noble cause and the noble born (aryan) will do it.after destrcution a new race of humans will emmerge like phenix rises from its ashes.
then u can imagine after a third world war with nuclear weapons put into use, the atmophere will be so devastated with radiation and dust that even sun light will not reach earth properly and the ice caps will melt and cool again resulting in the begining of the ice age. in ice age the creatures like dynasours,reptilians and huge mamoth will appear and life will go on like this, its evolution and recreation under the swastika!!
THE ANGEBOREN CROSS
The Angeboren cross is a religious symbol representing the inborn or inbreed, it has four equal length arms that are right angled to form a square. Many people see this symbol representing the difference between God and man.
if u expect me to write sugar coated words in favour of americans only ,then what shall i say ?
then i can say, the americans must be presented with nobal peace price for what they did in veitnam, iraq and somalia? is it ok now !!!
you want to reclaim a symbol that belongs to asian religions of hindus, buddhists, jains and tibetians.
but you dont want to understand their religious nature? amazing great ! what a claim!!!!.
i am quiting from ur web site and will never write again anything. i urge people only to pay attention to american thinkings only because they never write any mistakes and they never lie to people”
still i say ” may god bless u in ur divine mission, if its true!!
if u call me irrational and of twisted sense, then where is the freedom to express thoughts.
u should allow critics to write here also. there are always people of two types, those who speak for u and those who speak against u. both should be treated equally. no body can stop the sun from rising on the horizon. the truth will come out one day .
i am very sorry if any body felt hurty about this. but before coming to conclustions one should analyse and atleast pay a look at the facts.
its god who created man, man didnt created god. so before nullifying facts as myths one should pay attention to it.
This party is so far off-base and so extremely distorted in his twisted sense of historical facts and research, that we wont even touch it.
We advise anyone and everyone to PAY NO ATTENTION to the ramplings of this writer.
This and other supportive websites and non-web entities are about truth, not the Scizophrenic ramblings and nonsensible myths as submitted by #898 above.
why did hitler did’nt invade vatican city. because he was a sage and had his likes and sympathy for church and priest and volenteers of god.
hitler was a typical vegeterian which proves him as a hindu brahman.( equvalent to christian church father)
he didnt lived in berlin chancellory, instead he lived at eagle’s nest bergehoffe, on the outskirts of bavarian montains. know we know that hindu sages do not live in palace, they live on the outskirts of montains , hence hitler lived on hill tops.
his hatred for jews grew when he learned from bible that jews brutually crucified jesus!!!. hitler was a good painter , he painted mother marry with little jesus in her arms. jews dislike this image!!! why ?///////
hitler twisted swastika to 45 degrees because our world is approching the junction of golden age !!!
swastika is the symbol of hindus also. it means purity, good luck, and clockwise rotation of the world,life, emotions, marriage ,death and rebirth.
a person who uses it is too extra ordinary.
lord buddha used swastika because he is considered the 9th incarnation of lord vishnu.
he re claimed it from lord krishna th 8th incarnation of vishnu.
hitler reclaimed swastika from lord buddha.
who is considered as 6th incarnation of lord vishnu”
hitler also used an “axe swastika”. hence he is the incarnation of immortal lord parashurama , “the rama with axe” who is a priest and hates royal dynasties and kingdoms and wants their downfall.
this the biggest secret of occult which even the germans do not know about. for knowing hitler they have to study hindus and their vedic books for reference.
parashurama will appear 21 times on earth and destroy the royal shartiyas with rage and savegness.
he appeared in 13th century as mongol warrior ghengis khan and conquered the world on horse back and built the largest contiguos empire on earth.
know, lord kalki , the 10th incarnation of vishnu who will belong to india (bharata) will reclaim the swastika from hitler and ignite the third world war!!!!!!!
You people will ban a symbol used many thousands years before and very much holy to Great religions like Hinduism and Buddhism etc,simply this is misused by somebody else!
Is it?
Even Harappan excavated seals which belonged to 3300BC have Swastikas.
Those who try or argue to ban Swastika are real racists,they simply justify those opinions of Hitler about selective conspiracy against all noble ancient culture and religion!
This is truth!
The over 6 million jews, 5 million Polish non jews, and countless other minorities?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am.
ANSWER:
For us, the Native American Embassy, Native American Holocaust (Council) Museum, the Lenni Lenape Phoenix, and American Indian Church, ALL OF THE ABOVE, and THE ENTIRE WORLD; EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO HAVE THIS SYMBOL AS PART OF THEIR ANCIENT & NOT-SO-ANCIENT TRADITIONS & CULTURES!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
I would anticipate that the Authors of this “Reclaim The Swastika” domain share our sentiments as we do theirs!
It was one man who seemed to permanently corrupt a symbol which meant good things for so many centuries. I’m doing a “controversial series of paintings” and my main subject is the swastika and how it was used thoughout history before Adolf Hitler.
Why is it I’m being harrassed by the locals here for supporting the use of this symbol? Why is it still so controversial? I mean really, my generation, the teenagers and young adults, have become so comfortable with everything else.
My series of paintings WILL be displayed on my various web pages once I finish them. I agree with Lone Wolf back there. Why allow this symbol to be so unacceptable? I so go for it and use it as it was used before WWII, before the Nazis.
“…..a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
….Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. … to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.”
RESPONSE: To us, BLACK, represents the West, where the Sun Dies and the Thunder Comes, when even we sleep as the light is dimmed. RED, not hate or anger, but, represents LIFE, WARMth, the color of the HEAT that arives from the South where life comes back from. It is the color of our very blood, which makes every Woman her most powerful medicine during her Moon-Time. WHITE, the color of the NORTH, where the Purifying snows come from, and the Eagle, our protector, and Messenger to Grandfather.
“This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – – yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.”
RESPONSE: The Swastika, is Balanced, equal on all sides, from within and without. There is also a Balance between Evil and Good. But, this, I shall leave for someone else’s wisdom.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
RESPONSE: It was neither Hitler, nor the Nazi’s who turned this symbol into an evil one., neither by ‘association!’ It was merely used (The German Form) as the Nazi’s Loga, Emblem, Charm, etc.
It was later, and by others, that the world body was cooerced or misled into believing and treating the Swastika and all shapes and forms of it as “Evil!”
However, the Swastika, NEVER became, nor was ever evil. And, as with any and all symbols, will never become evil!
“….I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.”
RESPONSE:
We need no trinkets to know that any evil individual is dead, or at least the body, thereof. And, NO ONE can “Own” another, anymore than we can “Own” the land from which we come.
Unfortunately, Hitler, nor the Nazis “Bred” any negativity or hatred. These entities only planted the seeds that brought is to the surface of many others who already had these imbalances within themselves. One cannot Breed Hatred. This is a Learned Behavior. The raw ingredients are already present in all those who come to releasing that hatred. Only the Balanced Heart keeps it all in check.
“I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.”
RESPONSE: Your painting never died! Perhaps, you, yourself, let it so. Even if the painting has burned to ash in a fire, the painting should have always been alive within your own mind and heart. My question would be, Why did you let it die?
We share your sentiments with regard to the Reclaim the Swastika website.
However, it is very important not just to “Remember” but, just as the Site’s Title implies, to “Reclaim” and USE OUR SYMBOL as we once did and should never have stopped because of a handful of civil, social, nationalistic & intellectual bullies who dictated that we trash our own traditions, because they have, in fact, developed their own degrees of new Hatred(s).
“Be SAFE, Be WELL – – PEACE To ALL. . .
-Lone Wolf”
Walk in love beauty, balance and harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
I agree that it is wrong that the Nazis be allowed to own this symbol. Their defeat should be made complete, instead of an eternal persistence their ghost by allowing its ownership of this symbol.
See how it goes? Jew whirls in to verbally dominate the field of discourse. This officious Jew, by the way, has called me to threaten me with his “package” which, says him, he’s “forwarding” to the FCC, as though the FCC is an on-call police force for perpetually “offended” types like this.
Hey Jew, why hide behind the name “Native American”? why not yiddle for your own mythical martyrs?
“…Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol….”
RESPONSE: Hitler never OWNED the Swastika. The German form, belonged to all Germans, and the German form did not belong to Hitler either: Hitler was an Austrian Jew. Austrians and Jews have their own symbols.
“…you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.”
RESPONSE: We (the Native American Embassy & Holocaust Council see nothing wrong with ReclaimTheSwastika.com’s Heading. Nor do we see any “Military” resemblance or anything Military whatsoever.
The Reclaim The Swastika website’s pages and Heading is fine just the way it is!
Keep up the good work. Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol. However, you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.
I, as a child, was somehow drawn to the geometric shape & “flow” of the Swastika symbol. It is a root to a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
The Red & Black were from my perspective – - equal in their portrayal, Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. Reason being, as a troubled Lad, to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.
This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – - yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
Now that I’m 40 & an avid coin-collector – - I purchased a coin from W.W.-2 Germany, Swasitka & ALL. I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.
I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.
All I have to say is you’re going to have ALOT of explaining to do if you want to wear that thing around.
Why else would you wear that around unless you believe in the principles?
Bizzare.
RESPONSE:
No explainations neccessary, only teaching what many are unaware!
Unable to address, “that thing” because it is unbeknownst what “that thing” is that you alude to.
Not so sure about the wearing it. That would depend on the culture! Personally, I would find it rather difficult, if not outright HEAVY, wearing a vase around, presuming that you could be aluding to the American Indian versions on Ancient and possibly not-so-ancient potery.
Bizzare? Very good description of the worl we live! Or, the people within, actually! Bizzare, is an understatement!
Morally & Spiritually Bankrupt, to say the least!
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
“…..OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there. …..”
ANSWER: ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Note: We neither condone, support, nor advocate the trashing of any culture’s symbols, crusifix or otherwise. We were merely making an appropriate point.
Symbols are not ever, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
I think this is the time to reclaim the true meaning of the swastika. Many people right now associate the swastika with the Nazis. One day I showed my mom a swastika I made from Popsicle sticks. I told her that I made it for good luck and I also told her not to always associate this symbol with evil. It is an innocent symbol that became guilty because of misuse by racists and by those who are hungry for power. I even read the article of the bag with swastikas. The English lady who bought it was unaware of the presence of the swastikas until someone told her of them. She became angry and complained about the bag. I noticed (based on the pictures) that the bag was of Indian design, and normally swastikas appear because they are part of the Indian culture. I then concluded that she has no knowledge of the origins and the true meaning of the symbol despite the fact that she likes Indian-designed bags. She immediately associated it with the evil of Nazism. To this lady, I will say it to you right now what I told my mother days ago: DO NOT ALWAYS ASSOCIATE THE SWASTIKA WITH THE NAZIS!
To the moderator of this website: You are right in telling us to reclaim this symbol. We all know that the swastika is associated with evil, but you had the courage to present the swastika in a positive light. For that I congratulate you! I am with you in this!
hmm, ive been thinking; i have this german medal that my grandpa took from a guy he killed, its a very ornate one.
im thinking of wearing it.
because, of the good luck and such.
and because its sorta like a trophy, to say my blood has helped conquer them, and its like wearing a necklace of your enemy’s teeth for example.
its a medal some nazi held dear, and now an american wears it for the good luck charm.
also, you could say its my best jewelry, the medal is worth about $3000
lol im worried id have to explain it to everyone though… or be labeled a neonazi.
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?”
ME: I don’t want anything “outlawed”. I am not into censorship. I’m a firm supporter of the First Amendment.
OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there.
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?”
ME: Obviously, I think all genocide is wrong, and I think it’s unfair to compare the intentional wiping out of ones ethnicity with someone else’s. It hurts whether it was 10 million or 10.
BTW, My mom was Jewish and my dad was Catholic and I am an atheist. Go figure.
RE: 864. Casey said:
Find a new symbol. It’s too damn soon.
RESPONSE: Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?
Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?
I agree with Casey. In the Wiccan religion it is a symbol of protection and power, that is EXACTLY why Hitler used it. He was into eclectic spiritualism. I think it is way passed time to “wash it clean” of the old memories and try to get the negative energy away from it.
Oh, I just wanted to add I know this is a sacred symbol to some (at least here in the States). In the East, it was never taken away. It’s still actively used. I think that’s great.
I say this because I am a teacher and I used to have a Tibetan flag up in my room. Do you know how many horrified parents I had coming to me? They don’t care or seem to understand it is a sacred symbol, and I got sick of teaching them. I even had my principal in to see what the ruckus was about. Thank goodness he understood but asked me to remove it anyway.
Now, it was one symbol among many on the flag. How the little buggers could even see them is beyond me, but it’s just not worth it here.
People still have a real sore taste in their mouth when it comes to this. If you’re seen with one, the rumor mill goes crazy (whether you deserve it or not).
They all think we’re Nazi’s which is really funny since I’m Jewish and I had a whole section of my family wiped out from a-holes wearing that horrible flag. My great-grandma was in Dachau and she still had that damn tattoo on her arm til the day she died.
I would rather come up with some other symbol that doesn’t offend anyone (rightfully or not). It is a little soon. I mean my grandpa was in WWII. It wasn’t that long ago in the scheme of things.
To say that a symbol, of any kind is the reason for a war I believe is wrong. I am a Christian person and I feel deeply saddened by what happened in Nazi Germany during the war but to ban a symbol that existed well before it’s misuse in Nazi Germany I believe is also sad. I run a Christian motorcycle group in my church and I have skulls custom painted on my motorcycle. The skull is considered by many to be a sign of evil. Does this make me evil? I don’t think so. The Christian crusaders had the symbol of the cross on their shields and garments and killed tens of thousands of innocent people. Should the cross too be banned from use? The crusades were founded on this same blind adherence to pre-conceived notions and rules. Religious zealots wanted the Christian public to blindly follow what they said was right and true with no questions asked. When good people asked reasonable questions that conflicted with what the religious leaders believed they were branded as blasphemers and burned a the stake. I believe it would be a real shame to take that many steps backwards again. Good is stronger than any symbol and I believe it’s a mistake to think that the symbol is the thing itself. For instance, a symbol of a cross is not God any more than the swastika is evil or bad. It’s simply a symbol. It cannot hate or hurt, harm or mask the truth. Only PEOPLE can do that.
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849. Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous & 850. Also Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous Anonymous would be best to READ whatever he wishes to ramble on about. This coward has missed the message and facts, completely.
“….“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial….”
We suggest that this unacademic individual re-read, and then Pay Attention! There has been no denial with regard to the Swastika having been made “a Part” of the Germanic Nazi Holocaust!
We would also suggest that the individual find a sandbox to play in. This is not a proper forum for such a childish and uneducated child to be roaming around in.
RECLIAM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECIAM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECLAIM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL?…..”….Extremely repetitive
&
“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial HOLOCAUST DENIAL HOLOCAUST DENIAL….”….EXTREMELY non-academically repetitive.
RESPONSE:
Every Forum, unfortunately, attracts the world’s uneducated garbage dumpers who have little if anything to say, and nothing better to do with it. This is a prime example.
That anyone could even imagine any denial of History, least of all, the world’s Holocausts, is not only moronic, but void of any and all reality, least of all any real life.
This one attempts to compare the Revival of the Worldwide Sacred Swastika to “Holocaust!”
We can only pray for this lost spirit, that he eventually finds, not only reality and the real world, but himself (or herself) as well!
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CONCERNING:
847. NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: WE SAID:
RE:
845. Anonymous says:
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war
OUR RESPONSE:
ONLY FOR FEWER THAN 50 YEARS OUT OF OVER 5,000 YEARS OF IT’S SACRED USE!
Remember, Neither Germany, Hitler or his Natzis used the Swastika “for purpose of war!” Neither was the Swastika “used” “to start a war!”
HATRED motivated the war, along with whatever psychological and emotionologigal dysfunctions Hitler suffered in his childhood.
The SWASTIKA was never used “as a SYMBOL of WAR!” It was used as the Symbol of the Nazi Party in Germany.
It would be greatly appreciated by all, if you and others could find it within yourselvee(s) to stay within the boundries of FACTS and not fiction here.
This is a very important subject and equally important forum. Please don’t abuse it. Such abuses and mis-informations serve no rational scientific, sociological, academic or historical purpose.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
I did a lot of research about the swastika symbol and found it was used as a religous symbol same as the cross many centuries before Hitler decided to add it to his madness. It is a “symbol” used by many religions. How can a “design” get to be banned? Just because a group of people used it how can you take a figure/design and ban it? It shows up in celtic art, repeated design borders and everything. Would we ban a “swirl” if someone decised to give some terrible meaning to swirls? What about a clover leaf? Do we care who uses other symbols? Yes, I know the history that got it to where we are today, but isn’t banning it a continuation of the hate…oh, yes, now let us hate the swastika.
I recently had a repeating swastica design tattooed on my leg. As a repeating pattern, it is in a lot of art. The pattern for the tattoo was taken from Budist art. I am in no way making any statement by my tattoo other than I like the art. I prefer to think of it as the original religious symbols – eternity, well being, good luck. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
I am trying to use them for fun only like Halloween.
My friends all say I look like Adolf Hitler when I sport a mustache.
RESPONSE:
This is not the forum for that sort of thing!
This forum is for the REVIVAL of the SWASTIKA and all it’s WORLD-WIDE FORMS!
Our advice, is: DO NOT PLAY WITH THE SWASTIKA! IT IS SACRED, WHEREVER IN THE WORLD IT IS USED!
ESPECIALLY, DO NOT PLAY WITH THE GERMANIC FORM USED BY THE NAZI’S!
THERE ARE STILL MANY HARD FEELINGS REGARDING THAT USED BY HITLER & His NAZIS! &, There are STILL VICTIMS & SURVIVORS & THEIR DECENDANTS STILL ALIVE!
This goes out to chris, a couple posts above me. The Nazi did not use the symbol that symbolized life they used the swastica that spins to the left. It’s the opposite. Just like the Christian cross. It symbolizes a bunch of good things, but flip it upside down and what do you have. It’s the same thing with the swastica. Spins right=harmony. Spins left=chaos.
Simple
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm.
RESPONSE:
It would have been great if this writer would have included the details on whom, or which Nation, Group, etc., has this Tradition on the right-facing, v left-faving Swastika, relative to Balance v Non-Balance!
Not all Cultures around the world subscribe to this belief.
Another good point, is that direction is “Relative!”
To someone living South of the Equator, which is East or West, or, even North / South. Equaly, anyone outside of our world, looking down (or up).
Approximately 13 Thousand Years Ago, our present North Pole was not! South, was North, and North was South.
We are agin, very close to this Pole Shift, where our world’s North, will again be our South!
And, yess! The appearance of the 7’s could be interpreted that way. Just as our present 4th world is about to draw to a close, when we move into the 5th, the number “7″ contains 3 numbers on either side, just as when we enter the oncoming 5th world, there will be 4 numbers on either side, the total being 9 (the 9th & final world) where all will have achieven that universal Balance!
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
Hi all,
Thank you for all your continued comments on the swastika. It’s great to see an active discussion still in swing, now over 4 years after I originally created the website, with a couple of friends and colleagues.
I haven’t been very active in responding to your comments, but I do keep tabs on the responses here. Is it enough? Is there anything more that you would like to see happen with this website, into the future?
FIRST OF ALL THE SWATISKA WAS USED IN THE holocaust and the swatiska is associated with eugenics and hitler so how about researching the facts of history . the swatiska is referenced in our hisory because it represented eugenics hitler and the holocaust . i love to read history books and i also do alot of research for this subject
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS becuase the human race was not created by eugenics
RESPONSE:
Firstly, no one, that we can recall, ever equated the Swastika with Eugenics, nor have we or anyone that comes to mind suggested that any Swastika represented (which it never has) Eugenics!
Our Supreme Being created all life, including humans. He NEVER declared how any species (including humans) were to survive and adapt to changing environments (Evolution)!
This website and Project is about Reviving a very great and Sacred World Symbol, the Swastiks.
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
Minister ThunderWiolfe
RESPONSE:
Certainly, & Possibly!
No one ever got the opportunity to give Adolf Hitler a Scientific Psychiatric Evaluation!
However, the facts remain, whereby such evaluations may be presumed:
Adolf was born to a Jewish Mother and (we believe) an Austrian father of unknown true ethnic background or ancestry. Being born to a Jewish Mother (& not a Jewish father), by Jewish Law, Adolf Hitler was, in fact, Jewish!
We cannot, nor will we, speculate on what caused Adolf’s Pyschiatric and Emotionological Dysfunctions, however, we can and do anticipate his having been picked on as a child by his classmates and other children in the community.
We, nor anyone except those immediate members of Hitler’s family knows what actually happened within his home. Perhaps, even Adolf had the misfortune of being subjected to a bit of abuse by members of his own family, immediate or otherwise. This, of course, will always be open to much speculation and debate.
Adolf, may well have actually believed that he was doing nothing wrong but doing what he believed in his own dysfunctional mind what was best for Germany and Germans. After all, most psychotics of recorded history believed what they were doing was right, and even sanctioned and/or ordered by “God!” Adolf Hitler may not have been any different in this respect.
Had Adolf consulted his own Scientists, especially Doctor Mendal, he would have been advised that it is near impossible, if not fully impossible to achieve the “Perfect Race!” At least, not in the way Adolf proposed and acted upon! No! Adolf would have learned about the strengthening effects of what is known as “Hybrid Vigor.” All races (Human, Plant, Animal, fowl, reptile, insect, etc.) have been shown to produce better offspring through crossing or mixing of genes (pollination, mitiosis, etc.) and that close links resulting from male/female unions bring out harmful and fatal unions of recesive genes deprimental to that human or organism’s survival! It has been scientifically proven, even before Hitler’s rise to power, that mixing the gene pool creats hybrid vigor (Strengthens) the offspring or byproduct of mixed genetic unions.
As for Adolf Hitler’s “…using the symbol represents pure evil,” again, it must be emphasised, that, SYMBOLS are not, nor ever were, nor will ever be “EVIL!” The use of Symbols, especially symbols previously used for good and righteous purposes, by a madman or even evil entities, still, does not make the symbol itself eveil!
Evil People do not and cannot remake an good symbol into an evil one. Only people can mislead others into believing so. But the symbol remains the same, certainly in the minds and traditions (customs) of those who have always use such symbols only for good intentions, purposes & outcomes!
That is all,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
(Jessie Reneê Von Noaker)
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
I believe the swastika should represent peace, sun, and happiness. Since the Holocaust, the swastika has meant nothing but pure evil to our world today. people use it to represent racism, misfortune, and eveil.
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
REPLY: As we pointed out earlier within these posts and on our own SACRED SWASTIKA REVIVAL Area, this sacred symbol pre-dates even the Norse (Vikings)!
It predates Greece, Rome, Egypt, Stonehenge, even Messopotamia!
As for it having been used by entities in Denmark, Please, when you expand and cover areas not yet brought to our attention through our own research, or that of other’s, Please, include Details! (ie., Who used it, where it was used, how it was used, when it was used, etc.)
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
…If the Nazis knew that it really meant life and all that good stuff why did they make it represent hatred and death?
REPLY: The NAZI’s never made the Swastika ‘represent hatred & death!” People, in general did that.
But, they did not make the Swastika represent these evils. That is Impossible!
People merely associated this Sacred Symbol with racism, death, genocide, etc.
Again: Symbols are NOT EVIL. People Are!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
I think we should make the distinction between the swastika, and the Hakken kreuz. Yes there is still a stigma in Germany, maybe one day we will be able to heal this little blemish on our 20th century skin. But for now let us focus upon the fact that the swastika is a very ancient symbol. There is a monument at the top of Panorama drive in Ilkley West Yorks , called the Swastika stone. This is a cup & ring feature, of the beaker people. The squared off, and 45 deg canted version, used by the 3rd Reich, was hijacked, and used as their party symbol. We should be able to reclaim this, and freely educate the young that it was a bad symbol for only 12 years. yes I can understand that airfix kits of german wwii planes in Germany don’t come with tailfin insignia. It is also an offence to deny the holocaust. Basically an infringement of human rights, of sorts. But for good reason. Maybe one day we will mature sufficiently to be able to put these issues to bed. But surely this symbol, basically a version of the wheel of life, must endure? why should we let the memory of a few long dead right wing extremists change our perspective. Isn’t it time to educate?
this symbol is safe and brings power and good luck ,
just because hitler used it it does not it is antisemtic
it can used sun’s rays to rise from east to west.
Hi as you can see my name is swastika and every time i told someone my name they look at me funny.I wish the whole world can know the true meaning of swastika of how sacred it is instead of using it for evil.
i am the son of ralph raja shandilya and I myself am too a buddhist. I find it very odd when people look strangely at swastikas obviosly when they see a swastika they amidiatly asociate it with hitler. I agree with my father that the swastika is very important.
The word “swastika” comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix. Though the Nazis gave it a wrong meaning by varying its direction- the clockwise version which doesnt make any sense. The counter-clockwise version holds the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck for all of us.
A symbol so pure in its meaning and so important as in belief by people all over the world should be given its due respect. People who know history from the second world war should return to the books and read some more of it to get the proper understanding of this symbol. Changing the US Navy building because it resembles Swastik is immature. US has been a guiding force in shaping world history and this act will not be digested well by many.
THANK YOU 824. Digby, 823. drishikagupta, 822. Irene Lopes- Lisbon- Portugal
and all others who have responded to this project and given your own knowledge & wisdom regarding the Sacred Swastika.
A Special Thanks to all who are supporting this project and to all of thos who are taking an active part in the Swastika’s revival!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker) [NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY]
The symbol will only ever be appreciated by those who are ready to see what lies beneath the surface of things. The negative form of it could be said to be materialism at its worst, and the positive form of it, to be the Ascension of Consciousness, when the Yin and the Yang are in harmony.
swastika as its significance
why are we not following it
as we should
it is one of the indian national traditions
and we indians are not following it as its
importance
I live in a city, whose flag is a black swastika. It’s as old as the 2nd half of the XIIth century at least.
The city name means city of Light, or Lug, an ancient celt god. The flag was exported to Ceuta (now spanish, in the north o Africa- East side of the strait ) in 1415. Several maps of the age of discoveries (XV- XVI centuries) show portuguese territories with a swastika flag. Ancient stones have the symbol carved bronze and iron ages at least.
As follower of the ancient religion of Persia, I would like to say that in central Portugal we have a prayer: «God prevent us from bad ideias, bad words and bad actions» and we make crosses on the forehead, the lips and the chest. Aryan from the Caucasus reach here in the Vth century, or it’s older?
Some people consider Tomar, the sacret center of the country. Inside the wall (paredes) of a XIIth century castle we have the 3 plants: Cupressus , orange tree and myrtus.
sorry, I do not write english for more than 25 years
“AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay.
[SWASTIKA is NOT NAZI
and
NAZI is NOT SWASTIKA(!)"]
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
DON’T THINK WE COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER, OURSELVES!!!!
AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay. Swastika is not nazi and nazi is not swastika.
Glad you introduced that one to Americans and the world!
Indeed, not only is the San Diego bay Marines buildings in Coronado, CA built in the shape of a Swastika, there are others within American Borders.
Another good item worth mentioning is that America’s own Boy Scouts has used the Swastika in their regalia!
We haven’t had the time to mentione these yet as we are still compiling research material for our publication of complete data and specifics on this subject!
It is good that a number of you are doing your homework!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
There are also some interesting paleolithic drawings which consist of 4 elk or some such animal joined at the feet extending in the four directions. You should try to find some images on the web, it is hard to visualize without seeing but it does seem to be some sort of proto-swastika.
BTW RAJ the symbol the cross should be an insult to christ and cristians cause that was not only where he so called died for our sins that was also where he died and was tortured soo pretty much everyone is representing the device used to torture gos so called son and not only that the cross is a not holy it is bloody
If some retarded maniac uses the cross as his symbol, and murders millions, would you ban CROSS, a symbol of Christianity? Swastik is an original symbol of spirituality, wishing well to all living beings.
…. U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
THE MERE FACT THAT THIS VERY WEBSITE WAS CREATED BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED TO GO WORLD-PUBLIC WITH THE SWASTIKA REVIVAL CAMPAIGN, SHOWS THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MET WITH SUCCESS.
MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO AQUIRED THE THOUGHT AND ACTED ON THE PROJECT, EVEN BEFORE WE CHOSE TO TREAD THIS CONTRIVERSIAL TASK!
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
RESPONSE!
Firstly, as you can clearly see upon scrolling down these comments and viewing all of ours, we HAVE PUT OUR FACE ON THIS! WE HAVE INCLUDED MY NAME AND THE COMPLETE URL OF THE EMBASSY!
SECONDLY: WE DO NOT, NOR WILL WE “WORSHIP” ANY SYMBOL!
WE WORSHIP THE CREATOR< "GRANDFATHER, GOD, GREAT FORCE, GREAT MYSTERY, WHATEVER YOU CALL HIM/HER! The SWASTIKA IS, AFTER ALL, A SYMBOL, A MEDICINE TOOL, THAT IS ALL!
~ CHIEF MINISTER THUNDERWOLFE
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
I beleive in Sai Baba and I am not scared to put my name and face behind what i have said.
The Swastika, Fylfot or Wheel of Life is one of the most ancient & universal symbols of life, common to many religions. The banning of this symbol would therefore be an act of oppression of the sort perpetrated by the Nazi & Soviet regimes. Do these ignorant oppressors of freedom of expression propose to ban the ‘hammer & sickle’ symbol too?
If you are Jain, Hindu, Buddhist, Bon, Pagan, First Nation American, or of any other group, religion or culture for whom the Swastika is sacred: STAND AGAINST INJUSTICE & WEAR YOUR SWASTIKA WITH PRIDE! Peace & Blessings, may all beings be liberated from suffering & the causes of suffering.
there is a strong assaciation in ancient artifacts between the swastika and the owl in particular.owls have zygodactylous or semizygodactylous (outer toe reversible.) feet that can leave swastika like foot-prints in loose dirt or sand.
I have always admired the swastika for its true meaning and been annoyed with those who would act discriminatory towards me for having any association with it. I believe in its power however. I hope It will become the symbol of a new Religion Based on a new Dharma.
Swastika is used since time immemorial in Dharmic countries. It is racism to ban it anywhere. We may also ban chruch cross or muslim allahu akbar since their invaders commited horrible crimes. It is like blood libel posed on jews in middle ages.
The Swastika is a holy symbol and meaning
in sanskrit is well being. I agree this holy
symbol was stolen by the Nazis and
I like this site’s goal of reclaiming the
swastika as holy symbol of many cultures.
I will discuss more in the future about
The 1st amendment of the US Constitution
and my experience from being a polytheist
whose main practice is Tibetan buddhism.
Correction of Extreme Error: “never” incorectly mistyped in previous commentary:
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity ever result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity never result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
The comments 791 &792 reflect the historical thruth about both crosses.
We Christians must accept that millions were murdered by people wearing the christian cross.Hitler as a Catholic with the blessing of many fanatic so called Catholics was doing the same under the swastica cross.See the film:Amen ! The catholic church defended the most cruel nazis after the war helping them to escape to South America because of their services to the anti-jewish Catholic church!
And now we witness the murdering of the Palestinian people under the jewish david cross!
Everybody
his turn???
History is written with blood in the name of many religions.
John Lennon was singing with conviction “give peace a chance”
I think the Americans voted this time right and let us hope something will change in the good direction
Over One Hundred Million Indigenous Peoples were butchered (Exterminated) by those carrying the CHRISTIAN CROSS!
Perhaps we all should BAN this symbol, so sacred to True Christions around the world?
The Christion Cross is no more guilty of any wrong-doing than the multiple versions of the ‘Swastika!’
Crosse’s and Swastika’s murder and exterminate no more than guns, bombs and nuclear fallout!
Leave the Swastika alone and leave the Peoples alone who utilize this sacred symbol, and get on with the business of Chaim (Life)!
MeKe Aloha, ASalam Aleichem, Shalom Aleichem, Love be with you,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum: As long as there are those who keep, or treat this sacred symbol as an item of ‘Evil,’ it will continue to be utilized in acts of hatred & bigotry!
Take this away from them, and they can no longer use it as an item of ‘Hate’ or use it in their acts of ‘Hatred!’
re: “My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive”
Thousands of Africans were butchered by thugs sporting the Crist cross in full flames! Does the entire world have this ‘cross’ symbol banned because of a handfull of racist barbarians who used it in the performance of their evil? No! of course not!
The NAZI’s were in power and used their form of the Swastika for roughly (+-) 10 (TEN) Years! The various forms of the Swastika have been used world-wide for over 5,000 (Five Thousand) Years!
For those who find this sacred symbol ‘offensive,’ stop attempting to bully the entire world and Dictatorily forbidding the entire world from using their symbol because you persist in blaming the symbol rather than the evil party’s who have mis-used their own version!
All can cry perpetually about the past, or they can lick their wounds, release themselves from their ‘Grudges,’ allow their wounds to stop festering and finally heal, move on with their lives, and stop picking on the rest of the world who never did a thing to hurt or offend you!
~ ThunderWolfe [Chief Minister: Native American Embassy & Trustee: Native American Holocaust Museum, Inc.]
re: “i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.”
I believe We Speak for people’s Around the World, when we say, You are Welcome!
Someone should have taken on this task dekades ago!
However, it is done! We will continue this project until the entire world no longer sees this Sacred Symbol as evil as force-fed by so few, and to re-vive it world wide as the Holy emblem and/or Medicine it has always been!
MeKe Aloha,
~ Thunderwolfe
Post Scriptum:
Thanks much for the Armenian Swastika details! You covered a thing or two, that we had not yet uncovered regarding the Armenian Symbol.
RE: “u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .”
ANSWER: NO WE DID NOT!
HAVE YOU ANY IDEA OF THE WIDE SPREAD USE OF THIS HOLY SYMBOL?
WE WILL BE RESEARCHING THIS SACRED SYMBOL FOR YEARS TO COME, AND CONTINUE TO LOCATE MORE NOT YET UNEARTHED!
WE POST THEM AS WE LOCATE THEM.
THESE FORUMs DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE TO LIST EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, OR EVERY LAST DETAIL!
WE LEAVE IT UP TO ALL WHO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SWASTIKA SUBJECT, TO, DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK!
~ ThunderWolde [Chief Minister: NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM]
u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .the armenian people have long used the swastica as a symbol of life the sun and god. the word AST in the armenian language has thousands of uses for example ASTvadz in armenian means god, aramast was the sungods son… recent archeological finds in armenia also have pottery wepons and clothing bearing the swastica and armenian writings.. it is also believed that the armenian alphabet has beenderived from the swastica alone . almost all the letters bear a shocking resemblence to the swastica…i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM:
We have contemplated becoming instrumental as Primary Principle to Revive the World Sacred Swastika Symbol for near 20 Years.
It came time: We have begun the task in September of 2009.
We are advocating that all Peoples, worldwide, take their Swastika back and start using it again.
The Swastika, in whatever form it was originaly intended & used was never evil, but only became offensive to a select few individuals and groups as a result of this Spiritual Sign having been misused by an evil and emotionologicaly dysfunctional Austrian/Jewish Mixed-Blood who went on to become the evil dictator of germany during the oppressive Nazi era.
Take this Symbol away from the world’s biggots and other Hate groups & individuals, and, it then can no longer be used effectively as a Hate symbol!
~ ThunderWolfe
In the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (Runic Alphabet) we find the ‘Sigel (sun) S’. One ‘Sigel’ placed across another at a right angle gives us a fower-fot, a fylfot.
The same can be done with another Anglo-Saxon Furthorc rune the ‘eoh (yew) symbol’.
What I do not agree is the assumption that the FOWER-FOT/ FYLFOT or as some call it the swastika originated in one or two specific places and then spread out without ceasing.
Of course it spread to a certain extent from some areas but I think scholars over estimate this and do not give many cultures and civilisations and even the individual, credit and respect in terms of their innate creativity, which is in all of us.
Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.
As someone who is involved in art, and no doubt some of you will remember from your younger days that when you first started to draw. There was a number of patterns you automatically drew. These shapes being a circle, square, and crossed lines. (and a triangle).
Continuing to explore shapes you add a small inner circle inside the larger circle. Then you add radiant arched lines from the inner circle to the outer. Now you have a fower-fot/ fylfot. With the crossed lines you simply add other lines at an angle (and so on if you wish) and you have another fower-fot / fylfort.
These shapes can be created inside a square and become more elaborate with turns and rolls.
So this is why I do not believe the fower-fot/ fylfot or swastika originated in only one or two areas and civilisations. I believe it’s creation is the natural innate creatively of humans around the world. And their common if not similar understanding in how the shape appears to manifest it’s various patterns in the their observations and understanding of the world they lived . …And in which we live.
In fact billions of people around the world have the fower-fot / fylfot or swastika in their bathrooms, kitchens and places of work.. Just look down at your bathroom and kitchen plug-holes !
As a native ethnic indigenous Englishman (an Anglo-Saxon) who has his own cultural identity and native religion with it’s own gods and goddess. I too find the banning of what my people call the ‘ FYLFOT ‘ form old English meaning FOWER FOT, meaning four-footed or many footed.; – I find it very disturbing to ban this image there is no reason to ban this incredible and ancient symbol.
Many fylfort symbols have been found in England from urns, pendants, brooches, cremation urns, hilts, art etc. Also found in English Christian religious art and symbolism.
The FYLFOT/FOWER FOT (FOUR FOOTED) was and still is a sacred symbol to many native ethnic indigenous English people. It is associated with the sun and our thunder god ‘THUNOR’ (the vikings called him Thor). From Thunor we have the days name called Thursday.
Thunor was not just renowned for his strength and hammer and defending the other gods. He was associated with the weather and crops and god of farmers, peasants, serfs and slaves.
My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive that because of those nazis my people are having part of their culture removed by ignorant politicians. My native English culture along with many other cultures are being attacked by bureaucratic ignorance. We must stop this stupidity.
Below is a photograph of an Anglo-Saxon urn with Fylfot/fower fot decoration. Is it possible to enlarge the Photo and put this on your Photos page please?
It’s safe to say that the nazi’s did as good job of brand association with the swastika as coca-cola did with american santa claus. I’m happy to say I have a friend from india whose name is Swastika, but sadly she doesn’t use it in public. I’m trying to figure out ways of using the symbol without it’s associated nazi inheritance, but unfortunately I work in the same colour pallete so it’s really hard. Thanks for the site! Spread the word.
Thanks to whoever created this website… It is sad that a few twisted people took something totally positive and turned it into the exact opposite. I have collected Chinese antiques for a number of years and got interested in their symbolism as a result. I have some silk textiles, an Imperial Court Robe, and some other silk embroideries which are exquisite. There are swastikas prominently placed on them because of it’s powerful positive symbolism. Many people are still ignorant to it’s true origins and meaning. Just as with the Civil Rights Movement, ignorance is often what kept forward movement from occurring and enlightenment and growth as one people.
Keep this thing going! If we want to change things…we need to be involved.
In the Maya culture in Yucatán, the swastika is a astronomical symbol for the Polar Star. And mountain climbers like me use as a recordatory of our ancient cultures.
Heil Berg !!!
I know the swastika has an old and honorable pre-nazi history–but I would advise anybody to think twice before getting a swastika tattoo or wearing a swastika armband to a party–at least don’t put it on til you get there and be sure the other guests know what you are about. People who know the deep meaning of the swastika are few and far between. Most people will react negatively and treat you with contempt.The police won’t like you.And, worst of all, you may attract the love of skinheads and other assorted sociopaths.
I love how this website was made, it explains the clear truth of the swastika, for many years I have tried to explain to people that the swastika was not invented by the Nazi Party, nor was it to represent ‘world domination’ or ‘evil’ as they were led to believe.
I understand how many people would see it as an evil symbol, and think that everybody who wears it are trouble makers, but they’re just focusing on what happened during World War II, for that reason alone I got royally ticked off and wanted to find a way to show that the swastika is actually there for a good purpose, and has better meaning.
I just don’t see why people were so touchy over the incident when Prince Harry was wearing a swastika at a FANCY DRESS party… I do hope that this website becomes known to the entire world…
For that, I’m going to do my part, I’ll be publishing this link on all the websites I administrate and pass the link to all the people I know!
Personally, I have always loved the swastika, ever since I was a child, when I first saw it I fell in love with it and it made me feel peaceful, I don’t know why, but the swastika will always mean more to me than other symbols… Like the Cross or the Pentacle.
Thank You for presenting us with this website!
Lots of Love, Jamie Lee Andrews
Head Administrator of the International Sixfold Union
This signs been around for many years and just because some ignorant fools deemed to use it for ignorance should’t be blamed on the symbol i agree everyone should know the true meaning…
i love the sign of the swastika and all that it REALLY represents. the true meaning peace, harmony, good luck and well being. ( not hitler’s BS). i think he has no power and never really had any power over a simbol that existed WAY before he was even born. hitler was nothing but a mess. as a matter of fact am thinking about getting a tattoo of the swastika. AND I REALLY DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR SAY. I KNOW I AM ALOT MORE EDUCATED. LETS REDEEM AND RECLAIM BACK THE SIGN OF GOOD.
The Swastika is a beautiful emblem that must not be allowed to be hijacked by the terrible crimes of WWII commited by Hitler and his Henchmen!!! It truly is a symbol of Truth, Good luck and Hope for the future. Sadly though people seem to know much more about the sickening Nazis than they do about the wonderful and meaningful history of the Swastika that spans over 5000 years of the History of this planet. I wear a Swastika lapel Pin on the collar of my jacket. I wear it because I feel good about it. Peace to you all my friends
on this website is says that the swastica facing the direction that is commonly associated with the nazi party of germany durring war war 2 (or the clockwise swastica as I think of it)is a positive symbol that brings victory where as the counter-clockwise “swastica” is a negative symbol that brings “total annihilation”…
surely this is a symbolism associated with certain cultures,
I was under the impression that the the clocwise swastica was a symbol for “strength and knowledge” which are relativly neutral aspects and make sense with the nazi war machine of world war 2,where as the counter-clockwise “swatica” symbolizes “love and compassion” 2 aspects most would not associate with the nazis, and is actually called “dharma” and not “swastica”
Kaaos on tämä saatanan natsi vallan eräs kikka , jolla vaientaa massat. Satanic nazi-power uses chaos as a method of control, and silence the masses?
Ettekö näe? -
meille ei anneta työtä.We are not given jobs.
rahamme heivataan pitkin maailmaa… Our money is given to other races…
työpaikat lopetetaan…Finland has no jobs anymore for finns…
karhut ja sudet jouksee pitkin maaseutua terrorisoimassa, muusta puhumattakaan, suomalaisia kyykytettän sossuissa ja byrokratialla, There is now beasts living in finnish forests, which we had not before…and finns are oppressed by idiotic byrocracy…communism…
työttömille psyykepillereitä jotka tuhoaa ihmisen…Finns ar e given psychiatric pills, instead of jobs or financial support…
natsien joukkotuhonta on käynnissä, ja suomen kansaa tuhotaan?…
Holocaust is happening in Finland now…
EU-holocaust?
Vapaamuurari-fasismi tappaa?
freemason fascism kills?
Vapaamuurarit maailmanlaajuisesti toimii salassa ja korruptoi maailmaa? freemasons operate
internationally and corrupt the world?
Tähän asti enemmänkin talousrikollisuutta korruption muodossa, mutta yhä enemmän siirtymässä ottamaan KAIKEN VALLAN maailmassa? They ar e moving from financial crimes aND CORRUPTION TO more violence, etc.?
Yhteistyössä satanistien ja natsien kanssa? Co-operating with satanists and nazis?
Too bad the debate is only focusing on racism/zionism and one of the darkest days of european story.
As several people said before we’d better focus on the present and by extend our future. We shouldn’t give too much a damn about what happened before as it happened. It’s done.
There are currently awful things going on everywhere around the globe and we simply don’t give a shit about these. Oh yeah, I understand that we’d better be chasing a bunch of dickheads who are trying to form a new reich in their parents garage under a nazi flag they bought on ebay.
Wake up! This symbol as been misused and we’d better share its original and positive value than make it a symbol of hate.
You want to teach your children how horrible was WWII or do you want to raise them with good values and respect ?
One won’t lead them to commit massacre, guess which.
ok fair enough 751 but i will not have you misrepresent my intentions by saying i am hideing behiend this project as some kind of protection.
it is untrue and really not fair.
i’ll remove myself from this whole subjet.
but i did not start this.
thank you for your time.
best wishes and peace be onto you all.
i agree with comment 420 except this is part of it.
you are happy with the status quo.we don’t accept it.
it means what it means.
the history channel does not own it.
this isn’t a home for a few random oppinions.this is an ongoing dialog.
thats life.
thank you.you are super well spoken.but this is positive more so than the likes of the pro and con obama health care weirdos or anyother myopic point of view.
peace be onto you and everyone and thank you for letting me have my say on this project.
peace to you and yours. i understand the desire to post such a link to this site as a sort of disclaimer in such an unenlightened age. some of you are probably having to defend yourself on this point far more often than you care to. but i must tell you, the national socialists were not estranged from the essence of that holy, solar symbol. if anyone in the history of mankind has earned the right to use that symbol, i believe it is those who live, fight, and die in its service. history is merely the victor’s story, as you know. there is another side where much has been overlooked. the vanquished have no voice. the fact is, hitler was no more a “racial supremacist” than tenzin gyatso– however inconvenient. sixty-odd years has obscured the truth, but not suffocated it. during the 1920s, the dalai lama was thutpen gyatso, as you may know. he was a scholar of impressive intellect who sought to achieve a balance between western technology and eastern spirituality. he had heard about hitler when the n.s. movement was still struggling for authority in the chaos of those times. among the many european books the dalai lama had translated was hitler’s “mein kampf”… he filled his copy with enthusiastic annotations and underlining of his favourite passages on virtually every page. of hitler he said, “the inji (honourable foreigner) is assisted by god for some high purpose in this life.” he also believed there to be a synchronicity for the swastika being the symbol of both n.s. and the ancient bon-buddhism of his warrior monks. also noted were certain similarities between n.s. and buddhist doctrines, especially that service to one’s folk is the highest purpose or dharma in life. therefore when hitler became chancellor in 1933 warm congratulations were received from far off tibet. now, ask yourself why we’d never read that in a system school book in the united states or much of europe? if the national socialists are nothing more than “intolerant white supremacists” who wanted to conquer the world and kill all non-blonde haired and blue-eyed individuals (absurd, really), then why were their primary allies japanese and italian (non european in the first case, and surely non-nordic in the second)? most people are unaware that both muslims, hindus, a minority of jews, and buddhists enlisted as volunteers in the ss, or that hundreds of tibetan monks in ss uniform were found by the soviets in the fall of berlin in full ss uniform, having fought to the last man (the tibetans were part of the ss cossack regiment). these facts don’t mesh well with the system version of history.
last thoughts in the form of three quotes: one from a hindu. one from a buddhist. one from a national socialist. “i’m for a multi-racial world in which each race keeps to itself, in harmony with the other races. like in a garden, you have flowerbeds of roses and flowerbeds of carnations and irises and different other flowers. they don’t ‘intermarry’. they preserve their distinction, and each one has its own unique beauty.” – savitri devi. speaking at the 1993 chicago conference on world religions, tenzin gyatso (the dalai lama) said that the boundaries separating different peoples across the world were not bad if they preserved and defined genetic and cultural identities. he stated these differences need to be maintained in order that the individual have his own sense of identity. tenzin is totally opposed to one worldism, saying of the internationalists, “they fail to see that the so-called ‘cultural diversity’ they claim to admire would vanish in a one world system. no– true ‘cultural diversity’ values the different material and spiritual achievements of a people uniquely different from all others on the planet. therefore it cannot exist without the barriers which separate and identify culture from culture.” and lastly, “i assure you i am quite free from all racial hatred. it is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. except for a few gratuitous successes, which i am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. pride in one’s own race — and that does not imply contempt for other races — is also a normal and healthy sentiment. i have never regarded the chinese or japanese as being in any way inferior to ourselves. they belong to ancient civilizations, and i admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. they have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. indeed, i believe the more steadfast the chinese and the japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier i shall find it to get along with them.” -adolf hitler. the secret history of the second world war is that it was about blood and spirit against gold and corrupt materialism. if you want to understand why a bloody world war was waged, read up on the economic reforms which took place under hitler and consider who exactly was inconvenienced by such a reform: the international bankster gangsters. read up on benjamin freedman (a jew himself, who had spoken out against zionism and the federal reserve and the treaty of versailles). germany was decimated and occupied for the very same reason that a man like lincoln was assassinated. every reformer is offed. and for the record, j.f.k. opposed zionist nuclear facilities at dimona, and look what happened to him. notice how l.b.j. then reversed all of kennedy’s policies toward the zionist occupation regime in palestine and tripled their funding and weaponry like a good little lapdog. man, real germans have gotten a bad rap. and people who tap into what they were onto are really judged harshly and unfairly. behind every historical “devil” lies some truth, some redeeming, liberating principle which the establishment has sought to suppress. it’s been going on for thousands of years. people can’t seem to think about any of this above emotional attachment…
I meet here nice people like the Indian person with his eastern good philosophy,like the swedish person and others who want to contribute for a better world.I like especially the budhist replier who like all budhists are is tollerant .I am now a non-believer but I am glad that many persons find comfort in a religion,because they need to be supported in this way.For the rest I refer to my posts here :nr 741 and very much to post nr 745.Some reactions??
1. We always remember brutality more and for longer and forget the kindness of the people around us very quickly.
2. Symbols have no meanings but our mind has the ability to make meanings from them.
3. We can form symbols by ourselves but it’s meaning will be different for each of us as it depends upon how we look at a symbol.
Pictures can be taken as first representation of our thoughts but yet the meaning of pictures are different for different people.
I mean to say that our nature is the biggest hurdle since most of people want to believe in Nazi symbol rather than the true meaning of symbol of “Swastika”.
Well… Congratulations for the site as it represents many beliefs about a single symbol :-
1. Firstly i would like to say that every person should be able to neglect which he hates. I am a hindu but i am actually an atheist and hence i don’t care about religious beliefs but can do you know any other symbol with so much meanings as “Swastika”.
2. Secondly I am very attached to symbol not only because it has holy importance in our community but also because i like it, i never remember Hitler with it.
3. Sorry to say but it’s wrong to say that only western countries have lost during world war II, we send our men with britishers as at that time our territory was under the rule of britishers. To know more visit :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_in_World_War_II
Remember that we lost too but we have forgiveness.
4. I am sorry to say but the people blaming a symbol that it reminds them of Adolf Hitler is utter foolishness as mind can only remind something which we want to remind through it. Why not ban ‘Adolf hitler’s’ History rather than banning a symbol which is related to so many people in so many ways.
5. How can you ban human nature just because one of us was a liar, cheater which was Adolf Hitler.
Please try to redeem yourself from the after-effcts of Adolf Hitler. I hope that the people will understand and will forget about Hitler and will accept the “Swastika” in its true nature i.e. love, purity, happiness, hope, luck and may we get the strength to look beyond our weaknesses.
To Mr.Bernt from Sweden:
Thank you for your extraordinary reaction.I agree totaly with the content.I am NOT a supporter of any doctrine.I am looking and searching after explination “about Hitler and others in History”and try to make conclusions.The video you recommended is not only explaining the love of power but gives the world the knowledge that this world is governed by international bankers who are supported by corrupt presidents for who war is money-big money!Power indeed corrupts!In this video the makers explain very good what I was concluding for myself:international bankers are far to be considered human.The video shows very clear that all wars were provoced by international banker US president supporters. Like Roosevelt who provoced the Japanese so badly that they attacked Pearl Harbour.When I think on all those patrottic innocents and victims of the war who gave their lives for serving the international bankers I become furious.When I read in the video that the Tonkin incedent that was at the origin of the Vietnam war never happened and was only a pretext to start the war in Vietnam only again in the interest of international bankers…And now we all know that president Bush started the Iraq war after 9/11 with again the false pretext that Iraq was guilty….AND SO ON…Hitlers IG Farben was supported by US bankers too…If now we should discover that those corrupt bankers were Jewish then we should come to the atrocious conclusion that this corrupt people killed their own people in their money interest…In this forum the SWASTIKA finaly brings us to the truth and the sign gives all human people hope and hapiness…I was happy to view the peace loving persons like Ghandy,M.L.King and John Lennon.THIS VIDEO HAS TO BE VIEWED BY ALL MANKIND!
On another day I will react on the other video recommended by Mr.Bernt from Sweden
As a Buddhist myself, I too agree with all others Indo-Europeans which included Chinese, Hinduism, Jainism and all other cultures and religions to reclaim the very ancient sacred symbol of peace and prosperity that transcend our cultures to it’s rightful place in our culture’s history. And educate the contemporaries about the truth of the swastika from the slumber caused by Nazi’s nightmare.
If Medieval Europeans had the renaissance of their religion and culture that changed and shaped their societies to what they are now, then why not us, the cultures and societies that the symbol itself is as sacred as the heaven.
Dewulf!
The fal of comunism is well and good, but do you realy think tha New World order is going to be better?
Swastika has been used by so many nations that is hard to say where the origin is, but it all relates to the worshipping of the sun. Christianaty is also related to the same as one of the myths.
Please look at this movie and you will see what I mean.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4104851170462978605
In my article 740 I forgot to mention Mr Gorbatsjov,the last USSR leader who did what had to be done:abolish communism.For me he is one of those real HEROES.Now the East European countries have a much better future thanks to Gorbatsjov. (Poland,Hungary,Roumenia,Bulgaria,Estland,Letland,Litauen,Oekrania,Moldavia,..Even Russia I think can become a member of Europe(why not,this people suffered enough through their so sad history…
I am a convinced European and I hope Europe brings hapiness for all people in this world.
(I have a dream too Mr Martin Luther King)
I agree with the Montevideo-post.The cross ,symbol of Christianism has oh so many times misused by Popes of the Roman Catholic Church.Through the history even more Jews were killed by other hands then by the nazis.History learns us how ALL kind of religious were involved in murdering and persecuting people.History is written with blood.I am not a Jew hater nor a muslim hater aso., but when I witness what happened and still happens to the Poor persecuted Palestinian People then I have to admit that my humanism character oblige me to condemn the Israeli policy in that matter.The US should now with Obama perhaps interupt this policy,but do they not have to consider the zionist influence AND the financial POWER ??Money is so important that the policy becomes dependant from this money…BUT we can be happy that still there are GOOD thinking people in this world too(Martin Luther King,Ghandi,Mandela,The Dalai Lama who cannot govern his country,John Kennedy,Robert Kennedy,Jimmy Carter,John Lennon,Joan Baez,Bob Geldhof,and many others.
“give peace a chance!”
I also dislike the “politically correct” way of speaking ,when it is deemed mandatory
So, I also dont like the ban of the svastika or any other symbol
And I remember that in the name of christianism, catholicism and communism many persons were killed, but nobody wants to ban the cross or the hammer and sickle
I’ve been wanting to talk to you for a long time. Could you please email me? I realize this is not the appropriate place to talk, and I’m sorry if I’m bothering you.
gr8 informational article seeing how its been passed on from generations and we just preconceive that it became more popular after Hitler started using it……swastika has re branded itself as the common logo for all religious symbols.
You’re another internet shyster, Holbrish, but at least you’re a naked anti-Semite and admirer of the man.
“The word Swastika derives from the Aryans of ancient India. In their Sanskrit language su meant “well” and asti “being,” to which the substantive suffix -ka was added. It is thus a sign of well-being and prosperity, of integrity and fertility. Its four arms—the four Ls—represent Light, Life, Love and Luck.”
Blah, blah, blah and blah. All gay Hindoo interpretation, doodly do, doodly do. The suffix -ka by the way is a diminutive, not merely a “substantive”, though it does substantiate the phrase swasdee.
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
As I wrote on june 26th(704)I repeat that the swastika was used by Hitler and not invented by him(many people think so) It is good that this website exists to bring in the reality.Can I hereby remember or reveil for many people that the antesemitic book”Der Ewige Jude”was NOT written by the Nazis but a translation of the book “The International Jew” written by the great antisemit HENRY FORD,better known as the boss from Ford.He supported Hitler as so many in this period and was rewarded with the”Grosskreuz des Deutschen Adlerordens”in july 1938 by Hitler for his 75th birthday.In the office of Hitler there was even a picture of Henry Ford.HISTORY learns us that the Jewish people were persecuted and murdered not only by the German NAZI party,but eg.by the Tsar of Russia,The catholics especially in Poland,and so on ,and they did not have the swastika as their symbol.
There was no holocaust – its not about ‘emotional trauma’ its about their commitment to bringing down the one system which has ever effectively cast off the shackles of zionist judaism.
Instead of trying to ban the symbol (which I believe Germany have been successful in doing) and making the use of it illegal troubles me on a zeitgeist level.
The people putting their ignorant (or deliberately misleading) energies into banning this symbol should actually use this energy to educate people of it’s true meaning.
This is great! It really shows me where to expand my blog. I think that sometime in the future I might try to write a book to go along with my blog, but we will see…Good post with useful tips and ideas
Well, to soon to say if it’s good, but at least it’s well designed.
I mean I thought I would be blocked after adding some interests, but the site helps you to add more.
Cheers
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
A wonderful article…. In my life, I have never seen a man be so selfless in helping others around him to get along and get working. I feel good that there are people like you too. Thanks for this great weblog of yours. Its surely going to get me to go to higher places!
what i have not seen yet is the acknowledgement that the swatiska derived from ancient Egypt, which was called the Land of Black. isn’t it ironic that Hitler used an symbol that is Black in origin, and India preserved it along with many other religious artifacts.
always remember to go deeper in your research and it may lead to Atlantis or Sumeria or to the Heavens, but the intention of the swastika was never to imply skin heads or evil…
Susmann!
Your just a subject of indoctrination, how many people did the so called allies kil in their integration camps after the war. How many innocent people where killed by carpet bombing in Germany. How many have CIA killed since the war by creating conflicts and wars under the name of democracy. Should we forbid the symbol of the US because some criminals in the US has adopted it.
Wake up and see the truth and you will see that the National Socialist can not be blamed for steeling the Swastika.
I love the Swastika and can understand why it is hated so much by the liars and evil powers of this world. And let us not forget to mention the gulible ones. Because with out these silly dupes, the evil ones would not be in control today. The same gulible ones who were decieved into believing the lies about the last great movement on Earth of people who stood up and tried to save the world from the evil ones and their evil agenda. The same gulible ones who went and stomped their blood brothers into anihlation. The same gulible ones who now hate themselves so much for looking like their blood brothers. The same gulible ones who are on their way out and leaving a horrible place for their children to try and survive in. But very powerful and talented deceivers those evil ones! Especially easy for them though, seeings that their father is the master of lies, and the master of this world ! Nearly everything your taught or shown or led to beleive about who the good people were and what they did, and about what took place, is a filthy, down right lie. It’s no wonder the evil ones are in charge of everthing today. Even Disneyland! All the books your allowed to read, and the movies your allowed to watch, and the news your allowed to hear, and the history your allowed to believe in, and the cover-ups your gov’ts tells you, and, most of all, the money they allow you to need and love. As long as they can keep the great lie going, they should succeed in their mission. And as long as they keep us all thinking that our most holy and powerful and sacred symbol is evil, they will succeed, no doubt. The evil ones hate and fear it more that anything and they want every one else to feel the same way about it. It’s that simple. The Swastika is the symbol of GOD and the Universe. Same thing.
Believe the lies, be ashamed of the Swastika.
Seek and find the truth, and Love the SWASTIKA.
The FACTS are out there.
The TRUTH will set you free.
The Swastika is a very old symbol that represents ancient representation of fire, thunder, lightning, and prosperity. The Swastika is a symbol that was kidnaped and misused by the Nazi Party of Germany during WWII. But unlike the Hammer and Sickle which was used by the Communists to institute forced-Socialism and the death of millions beneath its’ mantle…the Swastika remains a symbol of hatred, when it should be reinstated as a symbol of prosperity. Only in politics of facism should it be removed. The symbol did not kill millions of people in WWII…the Nazis did.
Page Sausman
Boise,Idaho USA
How is it possible to make problems about a good symbol of peace and good luck!
We cannot change history.
If I had lived during the last war I certainly would have helped innocent people in danger.That does not mean we must bannish this symbol of good luck.I regret profoundly the bad luck of Jewish people who unfortunately suffered so much and they must understand the sign was not invented by Hitler.If this was the case then the sign can be forbidden.GOOD LUCK and like says the translation from the sanskriet:GOOD TO BE!For EVERYBODY who is not hurting other people!
I am at present suspended from work because i constructed a swastika out of magnetic counters on a notice board. i knew it had some ancient religious meaning,but it is only now from your website that i realise the world wide use of the symbol.when i did the one that i have beensuspended for i had no thought as to what it represented we all do different designs out of boredom with the magnetic counters none of which are a permanent fixture.
from your accounts i have discovered that it was a positive cross that i created, but it as resulted in my suspension so it cannot be that lucky.
Richard Reich said: “PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country”
WTF!!!! Sorry if i missunderstood, but you are saying that there is a National Socialist Parti in Argentina and is taking over the country??? Are you serious? Man, im from Argentina and you are way too wrong… sorry.
I took this site as it seems, a way to retrieve the swastika simbol from the nazis error, and im in favor, but is IMAO imposible because nazi ideology still remain…
I read the real meaning of the simbol as a child and since then im trying to explain to others that is a simbol of goodness, but people is just to afraid to be seen as nazis to acept it.
When I was a child (perhaps six years old) I saw a sketch about Nazis on the Freddie Star show. When I saw the swastika I immediately drew it, I thought it a very elegant symbol. It wasn’t until a few years later at school where I learned of the nazi useage. Now I’m 23, and aspire to Buddhism, and am once again very drawn to the swastika.
People misunderstand and call me a nazi all the time because I’ll set the swastika as my display picture on MSN and whatnot, but I’m sincerely trying to bring it back into positive light, educate people about where it came from and the beautiful things it stood for before the nazis adopted it (for the same beautiful reasons, I guess, they wanted the blessings it stands for) and for a few of my friends they respect it now. I’m not ready to start putting it on jewellery or t shirts or anything but I think I’m doing well in my personal quest to educate people about it. As such this site has my full support.
People don’t want to ban the cross because of the witch hunts of America and Europe in which thousands were killed, instead they focus on the positive things it stands for. I think it’s unfair that people are so unable to do the same for the swastika, but together I’m sure we can succeed
I think it’s really a great accomplishment of our society that organisations and websites like this one exist– it is a sign that we are beginning to move beyond the narrow-minded view of the swastika, propagated both by Nazi thugs and well-meaning, but foolish anti-fascists.
I hope that the message goes further, and that the swastika, as well as several other ancient symbols, are reclaimed from the Nazis and they’re destruction and murder may become like so many other bad dreams in European history.
To those responsible for this site: as the swastika says itself: Good life and good luck.
“Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees.”
I ignore desperate generalizations like that.
“For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, ”
You have to be kidding.
“This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country. ”
Ok, you are kidding.
“I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. ”
And a blockhead.
“It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. ”
So I guess the Byelorussian partisans just misunderstood those SS men shooting at them to shouts of “The Slavic race is the carrier of the Bolshevik bacillus!”
“It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.”
Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees. For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, catering to a nation of EUROPEAN, not specifically just German, settler decendents. This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country.
This is but one example. I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. There are three types of Aryans NS caters for : Alpinid Aryans, Nordic Aryans, Meditteranean Aryans, while providing support for Pan Aryans such as Iranian Northerners. It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. Anyone from USA to Russia, Norway to Italy, Argentina to Australia can revel in the joys of National Socialism, not just the Germans who fall into the same Aryan category as myself. Aggression from Communist Russia is what caused the Nazi-Soviet Pact to break down, while Roosevelt (Better known as ROSENFELT before (sound Jewish?) and the Allies all infiltrated by Zionist Jews were the ultimate agressors in the struggle.
It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.
1989. It was after a Swing/Grave double shift(like those I have often worked and the one that I worked the previous night) that I had my first Swastika experience. I went to bed and fell sleep very quickly. After having been asleep for 5 minutes or so…I was semi-reawakened into sort of a trance state. I felt myself being lifted up and out of my body while experiencing a feeling of comfort and warmth. I then experienced a field of visual Easter yellow. My position changed from horizontal to vertical. The field of etheric yellow was around my awareness at all sides. I then became aware of being approached by or approaching an object which was black. The object grew in its perceived relative size as I perceived myself nearing it in proximity. The object turned out to be a two foot in diameter clockwise spinning Swastika. The legs were black and smooth while giving me the impression of being alive…almost insectoid. This whole experience only lasted a few moments. I woke back up and made a mental note(also I think I told my wife, who has since left me). Sometime later I noticed a curious addition to my daily field of vision. Anytime that I focus on what appears to a blurry dime sized flittering depression in the center of my field of vision, I see a small dime sized Swastika spinning clockwise within a translucent background. Like an ultra fine Swiss movement on a watch…only it is LCD in appearance. This does not impair my normal sight anymore than a dried raindrop upon a car windshield blocks the view of the driver. Except for times when I am just relaxing and spacing out and it involuntarily pops into focus, I have to look for and focus on it to see it. I can also see it with my eyes closed, only then it is smaller with a whitish background. The out of body thing has only happened once though. Why have men lied to us about the Swastika? If they don’t know, then why and what are they talking about as authorities for modern man?
Thank you for the very noble site. Would you like to see the swastika for yourself in its supersensible form? Try this sometime: when you are lying in your bed at night and have your eyes closed, look at the black visual screen created by your closed eyelids. After a few moments, you will notice a small pea sized circle of white luminescence in the center of the darkness; like a faint light at the end of a tunnel. If you are patient and allow yourself to view the circle of white light behind your closed eyelids, a small pea sized clockwise spinning swastika will appear in its center. Its just that simple.
Or you may try this: while lying on your back in bed in the morning after it becomes light, just relax and look at the ceiling above you in the center of your field of vision. You may soon notice a small translucent coin sized circular variation in the center of your visual perception, not unlike the appearance of a small circular coin sized heat wave. If you are patient, you will be able to bring a small coin sized clockwise spinning swastika into focus. This may actually be done anywhere at any time in the light, whether standing, sitting or lying down and against any backdrop…including the sky.
I sincerely hope that these tips may be helpful to more and more people as time goes by, for they are based upon my absolutely consistent experience for a period of twenty years. May the days of anxiety and stigma surrounding the misunderstanding of the swastika be once again and forever behind us as human beings.
I once put a Buddhist Swashstika picture on my site and its amazing how many people know nothing about its origins, i just got the stupid Americans with their anti Nazi, anti Communist remarks, stupid idiots!, i had a picture of Mao and they said your a Communist, i said, “If i had a picture of Donald duck, would i be a cartoon character? .
I agree with saving this symbol, i have tried to teach my children that this is not something evil but an expression of love and understanding.
Recently someone here in Helsinki, Finland was in the newspaper because they hung a Nazi flag on their wall in their flat that could be seen from outside.
For me i think that this is their right, and even though i am totally opposed to Nazism, it is important to uphold their freedom, as well as it is to uphold Buddhist and other religions that value it for religious reasons.
I remember the Seihks in UK had trouble because they wear swords at religious festivals, they tried to ban it, these symbols are important for cultures, such as in Scotland the Skien dubh worn with the Kilt.
“We can learn what we did not know. We are not only good at destroying the old world, we are also good at building the new. Complacency is the enemy of study. We cannot really learn anything until we rid ourselves of complacency. Our attitude towards ourselves should be “to be insatiable in learning” and towards others ” to be tireless in teaching.” Mao tse tung, from The little red book
That would probably be because you have no convictions or morals.
‘Tolerance is the refuge of a man without conviction’ – Adolf Hitler.
I can clearly see you are not interested in learning about NS at all, and probably did not follow the link to the Jew’s webpage on the realities of Zionism. It is your choice, you much like a lot of America are clouded and have lost your moral compass, replacing it with the drivel that pro Isreali white politicians and Zionists have given you. Good luck to you sir.
I have to say, I am very unhappy with the word ‘Misuse’ of the Swastika. I am a National Socialist and I find it Ironic that an old organizational website URL used by the British Nazi Movement leads to this website by clicking links with Nazi associations! Now we National Socialists did not misuse the swastika. To us the eight points stand for family, people, nation, fuhrer, respect, race, morality and future, although these are often interchangable with other Nazi ideas of race and national prosperity. The claim that we murdered 6000000 Jews is ridiculous, and I would like to point everyone to http://www.realzionistnews.com for the truth about Nazism – by a Jew.
I just wanted to point that out. Thank you to all.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offended by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. “Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts”. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offend by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise,. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts,. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
During my visit to England where one had a wide view over the area, one could find such signs there, swastikas, a symbol used to create much mischief in Germany today. This swastika is now being worn by people who have no idea that it was once a sign used to indicate to people who came from a long way off that the people in that place saw not only with their physical eyes but also with the eye of the spirit.
While people have said a lot; I guess if you can’t actually see it for yourself, you just don’t really know.
Everyone has something to say about the swastika….but I haven’t found one other person who can actually see it.
There is a great deal of misunderstanding regarding symbols in general and the swastika is perhaps one of the greatest examples. There is a misconception, however, regarding the meaning of the swastika as it pertains to the direction in which it is pointing.
Native Americans, for example, used the swastika interchangeably in both directions…. sometimes within the same design. See the following link for a photo gallery…
Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) about the fylfot, the Swastika:
Christianity took that little what it needed, into its traditions, its cult, and then it vanquished the origins of those cults. In the original cults, there were a lot of elements, with enormous meaning inside; but everything was turned around and everything was interpreted differently.
And may I just add this personal note: The swastika does not belong to any one group such as the so called Nazis; but actually spins clockwise in the center of each of our individual perceptual fields of vision, just below our own personal conscious level of awareness. Seeing it consciously, in its non subliminal form, is a matter of sensitivity. The evil that men do…
Now i get why marshal had got so irratated with those who aren’t nazi and still use swastika.Cos many times it has been posted ere that the use of this symbol by nazi was illegal.
Certainly if this symbol had been adopted by an organisation headed by hitler,there must be lying some cause underneath.And as you ( mr.T ) have explained it,its good to know what did it mean for the nazi.
Even the development in the fields of science,technology,etc in germany during that era cant be denied.
But even a small leakage in the base of a beautiful bottle can make it futile.Sameways the racist activity,extermination camps,holocaust,etc effaced everything else. and made the world to hate anything associated with the defeating side.
While it might not be truth for everything but swastika emerged out to be as that hate symbol which had to bear the brunt.
There is also problems with that section of ppl.who use this symbol.But they are prejudiced by others as if they are perpetuating racism.
Marshal your comments regarding hindus,as i feel ,was out of context here./anyone can be ignorant.You me anybody.But we cant generalise any case.Instead we should take a person as a person.And judge him/her over his/her qualities and defects.
and not only that it was never proven but no way as a few hundred million dead beat jews died
A. the population in germany for jewish community was not as much as they claim who died there
B. nazi party accepted jews in the army
four angles of the swastika
1.love
2.honor
3.respect
4.pride
the middle of the swastika represents nationalism for anglo/european/german society to come to gether with out war or hatred .
but jews also had a swastika
i hate dumb a** people
and those who go online talking crap is what i hate the most!!!
88
p.s. 88 means byebye and or goodluck in china
88 means H.H 8th letter in the alphabet
88= somes one birthday as in 1988
approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)
“I’ll tell you something. The average Indian knows very little about his religion, or India, or anything else. Some are ignorant of the most simple things, such as Hindu concepts or history. I agree with Naipaul one hundred percent. They don’t like to appear ignorant before a Westerner, but most Indians don’t know any more about their temples and writing and what-not than the tourists — many know a lot less.”
— nameless Indian professor in The Great Railway Bazaar
And marshal whom did you try to called mleccha?If you don’t know me,you certainly have no right.Malechha is the true word used for low ppl in sanskrit.And i’m arya.But i wasn’t liking to disclose it.But you prompted me.
One more thing.That i have concluded on talking to you is that.You have a perception of self superiority thats vague itself.In psychological terms its called superiority complex.
Otherwise you won’t be so rude in your posts.Why do you think others here are mindless blokes ?And the only intelligence gifted one is you?Haha.Its funny itself.
And why are you taking anything so personal that you have begun insulting others?That shows your impatient impulsive behaviour.
You talked bout genetics.Then you might be knowing humans originated first in africa.So all humans are related.And race kind of taxonomic unit can’t be applied to vast populations of humans.(although it can be applicable to animals).
And if you’re so right then why did you get so irritated when i had asked you not to insult the communities?It shows your arrogance.
You thought i’m threatened by you.You’re not a ghost.Lol.So why will i be afraid.Infact i liked the idea to read books.But you should also widen your thinking to deal with the opinions of others.Ok.
its really feel nice 2 read n look at different ancient holy symbols n their meaning.it feels like yes history is still alive.n nothing is hidden .as they say truth cannot b hide.
i will b very please to know that is there was any viking
who had tattooed an holy swastika symbol on his body.
i know it sounds crazy but if there was i would really like 2 know.
please reply.
thanks.
Hahaha.Acerbic and acidic both can be used interchangeably.And i am amazed by the way you dare to call me and others idiots.
And as per the genetics and linguistics are concerned these topics are much debated.And nothing can be concluded firmly.And as per i have seen on different sites,there are excerpts from some researches that counterquestion the amt.
As per your thinking that you’re the one with the right knowledge ,its seems funny itself.And for your kind information,no where in the vedas there is the mention of home land and invasion of foreign land.
And if i had asked you to talk not bad for others was in a polite sense.
But if you haven’t got that sense then its your fault.Ok.
Also you aren’t entitled to tell me what i’m required to do or not.Similarly you can’t tell me whats my ability to extrapolate any matter.Or i’m not here to get your certificate of intellectuality. Your racist way of thinking unravels your attitude.
And one more thing.If you ask who own the right of swastika,then my answer would be .Anyone who like it, praise it, honour it, revere it has the right to own it.Its the symbol used in the eternal religion of this world the sanatan dharma.And if marshal you want to keep your hakenkruz with yourself then thats good.But don’t engage swastika in this petty and frivolous fight.
Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?
Yes, the Rig Veda is full of topographical imagery whose source can only be to the north; this has been borne out by archaeological and, more importantly, genetic research (introduction of genetic sequences associates with steppe / LGM Refuge Europids). But you’re not asking for proof, really, nor would you accept any.
Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
I, myself, do not. But there are these strange men called “scientists”, who arrange themselves in evern stranger little subsets — of “linguists”, “archaeologists”, and the most arcane group of all: the “geneticists” — who are empowered to peep into and interpret the past. Sounds incredible, I realize.
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Nor did I say any new ideas originated with you: you’d have to have a greater measure of intellect for that. What you do is parrot the superficial lies & rumors of thousands of others like you, because that’s what the nationalist pandits have given you to believe. Time to come out of the Cave, “Lisa”.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.
There are many, but there are many more people being prompted to shut their eyes to race and chirp “there is no race here!” in unison. You’re one of them. Congratulations.
Yeah there could be variation.
All of human “diversity”, i.e. genetic variation, smugly thrust aside with a “yeah” and a “could be”. Love it.
So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.
I understand that you feel threatened by confronting someone who actually knows what he’s talking about. All I can say is, you read some books too. Anyone can do it. It isn’t hard, and you learn cool things which you can then bring to bear on idiots like you used to be.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel entitled to dictate to me what I should and shouldn’t do, “Lisa”.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
i hope people will find a new hate symbol so they can stop using the swastica. i think that most people dont actually know what the symbol originally stands for. but then again, i dont think most people care.
Now it seems marshal you’re getting too acidic. If i’m not scholar then you’re also not.(cos you’re aimed to prove yourself only.A person who is self centered.)
Next you think that reading books is far more important.Thanks for that suggestion.But may i ask you one thing?Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.Yeah there could be variation. But we all are humans.So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.Cos there could be research related books telling the vice versa.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.Be they jews or hindu or anyone else.Otherwise it will show your narrow mindedness.
You asked bout the meaning of swastika as a lucky charm.Now get the meaning yourself.As it is derived from sanskrit it means one that lets the good happen.And we can’t judge one’s faith on scientific parameter. Ok
Now lets move on to the question of its association with nazi.Whatever might be the cause ,we all know that due their deeds this symbol has been doomed.
And what we are focussed towards is to clear that misconception.
But i’m really clueless what to infer from your posts.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.
Because they aren’t new thoughts, but platitudinous rumors circulating on the internet among disgruntled Indians, wiccans, homosexuals, and idiots. You’re not a scholar. You’re not a philosopher. You’re not original or brilliant. You’re not entitled to speak about meaning-reassignment apart from your internet connection and ability to type in pidgin English. Yet, this is exactly what you feel. Saying you have “new thoughts” feels good, makes you feel original, “progressive”; obviously, then, it’s much more a nebulous self-congratulatory rhetoric than anything substantial about the swastika itself.
And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
By pandits with a socio-political agenda, yes. Aryans migrated all over the place; you should acquaint yourself with some real scholarship in this field — to take one of many, Anthony’s “The Horse, The Wheel and Language”. It’s time to get your head out of internetland and into the books. Real ideas, real history await.
s i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.
Sure, India has seen many inhabitants: negritos, Mongoloids, Dravidians (Elamite or Mediterranid), various tribes and waves of Aryans, Huns, and so on. What you mean to say is: you learned from your college textbook, or some pandit / Hindutva website, that the Aryans “came from India”, not the reverse. I tell you, this is a lie. If you choose to do some real research and abandon your probably ethnic interest in believing the lie, wonderful.
Swastika is the symbol of good luck.
Not really, but it sounds pretty, and people these days care more about sounding pretty and nice than being correct.
Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Because it “symbolizes” more than what it does to Hindoos, and I question if it symbolizes anything at all to Hindoos themselves, or is rather just something to adorn flags and toilet paper roll wrapping with. It’s pointless to talk about “meaning” at that point, but obviously it “symbolized” more than “good luck” to the German irredentist movement, and the Nazi Party which took it over. If the swastika isn’t “originally” Indian, we must look for it elsewhere and ask ourselves what it “meant” to them; we find the earliest examples closest to the Celtic heartland, i.e. Bohemia, which is precisely where the Nazi Party had its origin. So who has a “right” to the swastika?
.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
Try walking down the street in Germany with a Doppeladler on your jacket sleeve. See how far you get without trouble of some kind.
I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
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Hmmm.Marshal.I had read your post.But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.Moreover you had said that the concept of blue eyes and blonde hair as propagated by hitler wasn’t totally wrong.Now i couldn’t undertand how it could be possible.As i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
Next thing.Swastika is the symbol of good luck.And we all (admirer of this symbol) want it in its that way.Its also a good geometric figure.Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Now you had also asked about rest symbols.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
One more thing you asked whether we are talkin bout symbol or weapons.
See that was a comparison.Can a symbol be more dangerous than a deadly weapon?Isn’t it ignorance to hate a symbol cos once it was attached with nazi?I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
Regardless of the cultural use of the Swastika, it is ridiculous and insulting that legislators would move to ban it when the old symbol of Soviet Russia does not even come under scrutiny. The Hammer and Sickle are worn on t-shirts, adorn posters, flyers, and album covers and was even the stage back drop for alt-country artist Steve Earle on one of his tours. Russia was the consummate enemy of the U.S. and Josef Stalin was responsible for his 25 million dead. Given these ideas, who do you think are the chief demonizers of the Swastika?
PLEASE SOLVE THE SECTION ABOUT “SYMBOLISM” IN MANY CULTURES IT WAS/IS ONLY POSITIVE,
And it was “only positive” when the Nazis used it. Your interpretation of that use is negative, though you’ve merely taken your cue from the victors of the War.
“The swastika certainly is not an Aryan Symbol. It was in use in the far east and india from about 2000BC”
And who do you think is responsible for the Vedic, and later Buddhist society which spread the symbol over the Asia, genius? The people who self-identified as “Aryans”.
See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.
When you have entire websites with people anxiously and eagerly parroting the lie that the swastika is a “universal” symbol — meaning independently created by various peoples rather than spread by cultural borrowing — and not originally Aryan / Indo-European, which it is, and by whom it was spread to other cultures, then yes, it very much is a matter of putting to rights the question of origin.
The question is about the stigma attached to it.
The stigma is “attached” by Jews and Americans. Perhaps we should worry more about detaching Jewish taboos and stigma from our minds than making the swastika idiot-friendly?
Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?
Because, semantically, “reclamation” alters the ideational and historical content of the symbol: you don’t want it to be Aryan, which it is, and you don’t want it to be associated with the Nazis anymore, which it is and always will be, with good reason.
Hitler used it and defamed it .
Let me say this again, though it’s rather like repeating things to children who don’t want to listen. Hitler himself did not “use” it, just like Hitler himself did not “kill six-million Jews”. The Volksdeutsch movement of Austria and German-Bohemia began using it in the late 19thC., and why shouldn’t they — the Celts, precursors of the wandering Germans, originated in Bohemia and Austria. Who has more right to the symbol them — the people who created it and have been symbolizing their will with it for at least two millennia, or you? You see it is not reclamation at all, but in fact theft. It is you all who want to “steal” and “defame” (alter the meaning of) the swastika.
a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?
You can’t name any others.
Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
Because your “new thoughts” are politicized falsehoods. And some of us are smarter than that.
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?
Um. We’re talking about a symbol, not weapons.
The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Thank the Jews for it. What can I say. The Jews have created your opinion about the swastika.
And to some other fool —
“Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.”
You need to read more books. Start with John V. Day’s Indo-European Origins: The Anthropological Evidence.
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
Your more circumspect approach is appreciated. But there’s no need to “rehabilitate” the swastika in the West, and indeed it is impossible without first removing the manufacturers of the taboo itself — Jews.
Sorry all, this problem is much bigger than you realize.
I am not religious but I was born a Hindu. When I was in India Swastika was an integral part of most of the Indians daily life. Whenever swastika was mentioned or displayed people took it for its true meaning i.e. well being or good luck.
I am now residing in the US and it irritates when people relate the swastika to the Nazis. (I do not mean to single out US but it is the only other country I have ever been to).
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
I read in some of the posts that people would like actively do something rather than just talk about it.
I have created a Facebook group called ‘Bringing Swastika Back’ http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4947269&ref=profile#/group.php?gid=83839313754
In this group I have proposed an idea for bringing the original meaning of swastika back. Swastika nowadays is connected to the Nazis because it was the symbol used for evil. I propose that if we start using Swastika to spread goodness it might soften peoples views towards it.
If you are a member of Facebook ( I am not getting paid by facebook to promote it) and want to do something different join my group and see whats all about.
Ahh.So nasty.Candy.If you cant propose your thoughts then you shouldn’t post crap either.Your words reflected your thinking and level of intellectual.May god show you right way to behave.!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck over it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck ovoe it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
Thanks ivan
its you Who is empowering this quest for swastika.Keep that spirit up !!
Yeah i agree the anonymous.The notion that the aryan ppl had blue eyes and blonde hair is wrong.Infact they were the inhabitants of indian sub continental areas.And they had a distinct civilisation as well.
For the record, the use of the swastika in India was by the real Aryan race which occupies, and has occupied, the areas of India and Persia for a long time.
Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.
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Hmmm.Regarding the post of marshal.See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.The question is about the stigma attached to it.Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?Explain my dear what you want to say.Hitler used it and defamed it .So we want to abolish it.Ok. a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?Naah cos it would be too crazy.Then why don’t we apply the same logic for swastika?Its like being stagnant with the time of 40’s .Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Ivan.Here you see .Nothing can come out of this discussion.In the beginning i were very optimistic but now i think.Something real and practical is required.
But i’m really happy to find ppl like you stephen adave and flea and many more who still like swastika amidst all prejudice.Thanks to you all.
I think the swatsika should be reclaimed because it does not jus symbolizes the nazis and the harsh times it symbolizes good and to be. it actually originated in india and hitler jus gave the nazi symbol a bad name now jus because he did that now everyone thinks that it jus represents the nazi
Well put Stephen and I wish you power to ovwercome the foggy ones who think you you are mad for using the Swastika. I have one on my rifle butt and some say the same thing untill I point out the true meaning. Then they don’t like it because I have at the same time made them look ignorant, but if the cap fits, wear it.
the swastika is a beautiful symbol because i have one on my wall my family and freinds think im crazy but i know the truth of the symbol as a peaceful icon not a hate.
It isn’t Cherokee, Papuan or Korean. It’s Celtic, Hittite, Italic, Vedic — all reflexes of the Indo-European culture which devised it. If other cultures received it, it was due to Aryan involvement in those cultures.
The Nazis used it because the irredentist folk-German movement from which they arose used it; the latter used it because the Celts, originally from a small valley in Austria not far from Hitler’s own birthplace, used it first as primitive Aryans.
You can’t efface history, but you can lie about it. “Reclaiming” is lying. Perhaps we should all reclaim our Indo-European identity — European, American, Indian and others — from the absurd guilt complex laid on us by the Jews?
Yeah.Ivan.Now it seems it has become a place just to listen to each other’s thoughts and nothing just to do.It would be far better if the creators of this site has converted it into any social networking site.Lol.Atleast then ppl might be coming here !!
From the very moment i get to this site.I wondered who is the owner of this site.And whats the purpose.Whats their motive.Just by posting thoughts we are not gonna reclaim swastika.Ground level efforts are required.But there is no mention of any group /campaign or any thing else.Who are the creators?Atleast tell bout yourselves.And why have you created this platform?
I think we have come to a conclusion. No one is interested. You and I are alone and as neither of us started the debate, I have to ask where is the creator and why have they dried
Ivan.Then what should be done?And how?Here i feel that only you and me are parting in this debate.Ppl sometime make some comments.But then there’s no further activity.We are hoping more from all.We need the comments from those who don’t want it and why?Then only through logic we will be able to reach any conclusion.But as you’re witnessing the active participation of ppl are very less.
Thats the problem Lisa. We cannot change ignorance and bad education now. We can only try to educate, but what you are educating is part pork and part solid ivory you are on a hiding to nothing. Ivory from the neck upwards will take nothing in. I sometimes fell that some folk are just about aware that they are alive.
Yeah ivan.Quite right.Here we’re finding some ppl with common thoughts and some with contrasting ones.But what can we do in real?Its not the question of just a symbol but the question of myth attached with it.I mean in west such a great stigma is attached with it that it seems just impossible to remove it.And how can we really spread the right notion and meaning of swastika among the masses.Ppl might think-what the hell to do with it?But that means sheer ignorance.It cant help out anyone.Without knowing the proper meaning and value of something it utterly sounds biased to ban something.We are posting our thoughts.But is that really gonna change the mentality of ppl to any extent.I really doubt it.
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic)
i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic
0 i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
As lisa says It is not doing a deal just talking about the swastika and it’s positive sides. I joined this group thiniking that something coujld be done to get the symbol recognsed as a peacefull shape. Up to now it seems the group consists of Lisa and I and a couple others. It is nice to make friends but there could be more of us.
I wonder why the arms and ammunition aren’t banned which cause terror.Instead we engage ourselves in petty things like banning a symbol etc etc.Now this its the age of globlisation .Even if now we will pull east and west apart.Then that would so outdated.There should be the exchange of knowledge customs and culture.The partiality towards a particular symbol shows how ignorant we are infact.We sometimes burn our hand in fire.But can we ban it.Or can we forget what are its advantages(every one knows) .Similarly the swastika can have a positive note underneath.We should try to focus at that aspect.And having prejudice towards someone having that symbol is totally wrong.Its injustice.
Umm.I don’t know ivan whether using counterclockwise or clockwise is right.But certainly i don’t like the way its portrayed in nazi flag.I mean at 45 degree tilt.Anyways this site is very nice for having us proposing our thoughts.But how can we practically raise our voice for reclaimin swastika.I mean is there any group or something.Or even that is illegal?Let me know if you have some idea.
Lisa has it right. I am also glad she mentioned the wheel as the theory is that a swastiks is a spinner, in it’s counter clockwise format it turns to the left gathering the power of light. This explains Hitlers devotion to the clockwise version gathering the powers of darkness. This is why I use the counterclockwise version as do many including the Hindu’s who put a great deal of faith in it.
And apart from its cultural meaning this symbol also has a beautiful design.I mean if you’ll notice it ,you’ll find its like a wheel ,a rotating one.Its really a nice geometric design.Ppl shouldnt really ban it./Ivan yeah i know this symbol cant take away the life of any person.In the end its human who is responsible for any massacre. i only meant,swastika should be welcomed by all. this symbol might invoke their(victims’) previous fear.But that was the past.Now time has changed.And ppl get to change.But only if they feel easy.They shouldnt be forced.For example once you’ll have a drowning experience you might even fear water.But other wont.Other shouldnt be stopped from swimming.Likewise others shouldnt be barred from using swastika.And every one with this symbol shouldnt be related to nazi.Thats my plea to all.
Proffessor Eagle Owl. You have hit the nail right on the head. Re-education is the only answer. I too have pointed out the reason for my swastika but in vane with 1/2 of the population of my town being stuck in the mud of the 1940’s and the other 1/2 being thick as shit, I find I am beating on an empty drum. I say nothing unless asked but now feel unlike wasting my breath. Hitler has a lot to answer for
The swastika obviously has a very long, beautiful, and mainly peaceful history. Sadly, for many in the western world it shall for ever be tarnished thanks to its use by the Nazi party. This however does not prevent me from educating those as to the symbols true, peaceful meaning. I have swastikas around my house, on web pages, and on my being, and am continually being referred to as a Nazi. I inform these individuals of the facts, sadly many still do not take heed. Educating kids from a young age is the answer for me. It is about time the symbol became known for the right reasons again. Peace.
I have to say that I have been pulled on two occasions for wearing my St George badge and told that it is offensive to certain cultures. Now here in the UK I find this unnaceptable. St George id our patron saint and I shall not remove it. Anyone who does not like it can look the other way. I feel the same about my swastika which I carry in a case in my pocket.
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The swastika was in use somewhere around 2000 bc an was uased by Adolf Hitler for a lot less years than that. Although millions were murdered by the Nazi Swastika wearers I don’t see the symbol is to blame and should not have to be covered by toses of us who wish to use it today. My red , counter clockwise swastika sits on its feet and gives great pleasure. The black clockwise swastika of the Nazi culture sits on it toes and looks to be falling backwards. It cannot gather the spirit of light in that position. It was our swastika that was taken and Bastardised by that mad Boheimian and due to some very narrow minded people today there cannot be seen the difference.
Aptly said matthew.A symbol could have dual meaning for two cultures.And it would be quite injustice to ask the sufferers accept the icon that was once used during their torture.I mean they shouldnt really be forced.But the question is not that.The question comes for that proportion of ppl for whom the symbol has some special meaning.And those who had no part in the suffering of the innocents.Should they be bar from using swastika as their holy symbol?I think then that would be really racist.What do you think?
I think it’s too optimistic to assume that the swastika can be “reclaimed.” I know that at one time and for many people still today it is a positive image, but the fact is that meanings of symbols or words can change over time to the point where they have nothing to do with their original meaning. I think the deep association it has now has damaged its imagery irrevocably. However, I still wish you luck in your endeavors; it would be nice to have one more positive symbol in the world.
Thanks ivan.Infact i got to this site after googling for swastika.I had my vacation from school so i decided to do something interesting.I thought to know bout different religions and cultures and different areas.I begin with hinduism.And through wiki yahoo etc.I got a lot of information.Then i thought about swastika.And decided to know bout it in details.I knew it was once also attached with nazi.And i was confused how they got it.Anyways then after reading about the ban in germany i was really shocked.My emotions are always with those who were the victims of holocaust.But i was equally surprised that SWASTIKA has also became a victim. But i hope the true meaning and sacred value of this symbol will come into light one day.Thanks to all.
.See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
Ashley my man. There is no problem using the name Adolph. It’s well noted though that the name Hitler seems to be unused these days. He had relatives so what went wrong? Thhe answer is they changed their names and a lot of them pledged never to have children in case his genes carried on.
The swastika is a symbol for peace and health. In its counter clockwise version the Hindu’s also use it as a symbol of good luck. It has been around since about 200 BC and was only bastardised once by Adolph BHitler and his national Socialist buddies.
Thousands of years of pleasant aknowledgment was wiped out by one sawn off little bastard and has never been the same since. That is why this group has come into being to try and get the symbol back on stream. It’s power is of the mind, just like the lucky rabbits foot.. I could never understand that one. It was never lucky for the rabbit.
You know,when Ms.Fu told us about tolorance,she mentions HItler.I don’t want to say his first name,becuase some people will know that I am talking about him. I want to know how powerful is the precious swastika,and how the Nazi’s dameged it’s great symbol.Now…it has two meanings.
I agree, the swastika needs to mean what it really means, or we will have lost a war we still think we’ve won… Although I prefer the “counter clockwise swastika” to the one you seem to be using.
I have a right turning swastika tattoo set within a six petaled lotus flower. Three diferent individuals have added to this swastika: a man of Japanese decent who had early memories of being brought by his parents to a buddhist temple where there was a large buddha statue with a swastika painted on its forehead, a woman who was born on an israeli kibbutz who also had a swastika on her forearm, and a young woman of jewish decent who had relatives who had survived the holocaust.
The sacred meaning of the swastika should be recaimed.
i learned about the swastika by doing a research papaer on it and before i didnt know much about it but now i am glad i do. Before i thought it was a very bad sign that hitler used on his flag but now that i have done research on it i have learned that it is a good luck sign in other in other countries and that it a very respected sign. i think that the swastika is a good sign! people just think of it as a bad sign because hitler used it. they have no idea about its history and what it really means to certain countries. i would love to change the minds of everyone and tell them about how good the swastika really is. we need to stad up for this sign and spread the wotrd that its a good sign!
I would love to reclaim it as the symbol of peace as it once was. However, I know that if this ever got into any real form of debate and went to the courts. The instance a ‘Holocaust’ survivor steps in the room… before even speaking of the horrors they suffered and endured for so long, the debate would end before it even began.
What has to happen is, people have to come to terms with the fact that, yes, it was the symbol of the ‘Nazi Party’ and for a period of five years, horrible atrocities were committed under many a banner with the Nazi symbol above. This however takes away from the fact that, the swastika did not in any way, shape or form commit these crimes, but rather people wearing this symbol, or under the symbol committed said crimes.
It is almost too much to bear when listening to people speak of the evils committed and then realise that they are only appealing to our emotions through said crimes. They are not trying to see that other people use this symbol, which is not associated with Hitler or the hate bred underneath his rule. The people opposed to this are simply trying to erase everything connected to this awful period of time and although what they are doing is more than understandable, it is however in vain, for the Nazis have been defeated for the last 64 years now and such horrible events will never take place again due to such cautions taken after the war and during the new governments that followed the fall of ‘The Third Reich’.
The symbol its self, for five-thousand years has been a symbol of peace and used throughout the world as such. In conclusion, the people underneath this symbol, during WW2, were the ones who committed the crimes and have all met their fates at the hands of legal systems and reprisals at the end of gun points and pitchforks of the victors. Although few escaped, they have all met their end at the hands of time. After so long, it is time to look past symbols and words and look at the ideals, ideals which prompted such barbarism, and for many to go over sea and land to fight against these ideals.
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in the gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in thesd gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
What does it matter what anyone thinks in the World. The Swastika has existed as a symbol of Power in one form or another since Man started thinking for Himself. It doesn,t matter to me if you are Believers or Non-Believers. What does matter is that I can stay a Dis-Believer, and not care aboit a few squiggly-lines.
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I am sure that there is a lot of ignorance around. Take my wife for example (please take her as far as you can) She would not know a Hindu swastika from a garlick bulb. The swastika to her means Hitler and that is that. Sadly she is not on her own.
Millions of people died under the Hammer and Sickle Comunist Symbol, but it doesn’t seem to offend anybody to see a person walking around wearing a t-shirt bearing it.
But if you wear a t-shirt with a buddist swastica on it, they would try to arrest you or lynch you.
Why is it like that?
Is it because it offends Jewish people?
…it’s stated that there’s a ‘positive’ and a ‘negative’ swastika. This is somewhat misleading if we take the symbol, as it’s been used, across the globe throughout its prodigously long history. The notion of one direction being negative should not, in any way, be taken as meaning evil or bad. Negative in this sense relates to the feminine aspect of the symbol. We find swastika symbols relating to the moon which take the supposed ‘negative’ rotation, and many other aspects. It would be good to emphasize that this idea of positive and negative is based on dualist thinking systems: seeing one side as good as the other as bad, which is not what the reverse swastika is representative of. Examples highlighting this are legion. Please let’s not fall prey to simplistic Judaeo-Xtian notions of right & wrong, good & bad, when we see this ancient symbol. It’s nature is much more expansive than those reductionist terms and perspectives.
people should not say things such as the swastika is a sign of hatred as it is only believed like so because of hitler who actually stole the symbol from the hindus. For the people who come from india the swastika means good luck but for the people who come from fiji have a another meaning for it i only know the 2 parts and they are love and life there are another 2 but i don’t know them. Hitler did do a lot of bad things but stealing a sacred symbol is just not cool. this might sound very funny coming from a 14 (15 this year) old girl but it is true. I hate the hatred around. i have gotton my self more involved in this type of situation oly after i read the book ‘the boy in the striprd pyjamas’ please look this up and see that the swastika is only a symbol of hate only because of hitler otherwise it is a peaceful symbol.
14 (15 this year) girl from Auckland New Zealand is a concerned citizen
please look up all that hitler did you might find out more of the truth.
The movie ‘the boy on the striped pyjamas’ has come out in New Zealand and many other countries, i know it comes out later in some countries but that doesn’t matter watch this movie. i can assure you, you will remember some scenes.
Excellent website! This has always been my favourite symbol since I saw the Swastika Stone, Ilklkey Moor when I was 10 year old (see it here – http://megalithix.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-swastika-stone-ilkley-moor/ ). The earliest known swastika comes from eastern Europe and dates from between 15,000-18,000 BC. Earlier than the great Hindu mythos! But somewhere, niggling at the back of my mind, tells me there’s an example from around 20,000 BC, carved onto mammoth tusks in western Russia – but don’t quote me on that one! Keep up the good work on this website!
All the best – Paul (Megalithix)
The swastika (sanskrit Svasti) is a beautiful thing if taken in the right context. Since Hitler used it to symbolize his NAZI Party weak minded people and ignorant people have branded it as evil. Nothing could be further from the truth.
AS a symbol of love faith and good luck it is worn under clothing by more people than it is imagined. I am a little different as I wear it under and over depending on the wether.
We should take it back and have it recognised for what it realy is.
I look forward to reading this website regularly.
i totally agree. i hate what the jews have done to the once noble swastika a.k.a. hakenkreuz. i want to see it flying on every lightpole, on every streetcorner, across this great land!!
The raven has called somebody “a idiot”. I’d just like to say people need to grow up and not let everything bother them. I’m a gun toting protestant white man and nothing offends me. Wear black power, kill whitey, or anything offensive and see if i care.
As for curtiss, the skinhead scene came from the working class and branched off into different political beliefs. The ignorant are responsible for it’s recognition with white supremacy.
Ok, so…
1 we should ban the cross out of respect for the millions of people murdered, burnt at a stake, tortured in the name of it; entire cultures were eradicated, see latin America.
2 we should ban the Israeli star out of respect for the countless Arabs and Palestinians killed, evicted or otherwise victims in its name.
3 we should ban the American flag out of respect for the countless Japanese, Vietnamese, Native Americans who were murdered in its name.
Do we agree that an unjustly murdered person is…an unjustly murdered person or is there a pecking order?
I am sure most will consider the above proposals absurd…think again…entire cultures/nations were eradicated in the name of the above.
The European Parliament?
What did they do to avert the financial crisis that pulverized billions in poor people’s life savings?
NOTHING.
Too divided…there’s the free market…we’d better name a committee that will name a commission that will issue a report in five years’ time…
Let’s play cool passing laws against deceased dictators…
I see the meaning of both forms of svastica were discused here. So why infos in “symbolism” are *still8 the same as they were? Does author thinks that his explaination is the only true and correct one?
Yes the symbol have been used by a idiot… and now it is time to take it back.. But as a note to you “pinetree “.. You say it is a symbol of death etc.. Yes it is that for the moment.. and so was the cross for millions before too.. and what about the symbols for a muslim today?.. What ever have been can be undone. And i think its time to take back the positive meaning in all the symbols we have. Millions died during WW2…. and we wont forget that.. But why not selebrate them by making something bad in to something good like it ones was.
I learned about the swastika’s true meanings around the same time I was learning about WWII and Hitler in school. After finding out as much as possible, I branded the right-facing (?) swastika into the forearm of my left arm, and have been proudly showing it off since. I have had many problems with certain individuals because they thought it was there for malicious reasons. I’ve told them all the same thing. ‘I am a peaceful being who wants the right to mark or adorn their body as any other person. I do not hate anyone who does not bring hatred or cruelty into others’ lives. If you are in that category then maybe you have a reason to be upset.’ I was thinking of covering it with a tattoo of a different version of a swastika with other decorations so people can differentiate but why? If close-minded people can look at it and think it was a hateful symbol born in Germany then I’ll tell them the same thing every time and they’ll be the ignorant ones, not I.
I am happy to find this site as I believe that this ancient and revered symbol should not be stained by its extremely brief Nazi use. It has a rich and varied history that should be understood and promoted in the interest of peace and understanding. To ban its use is giving in to the fascist state that stood for all that is opposite to the tenets of the religions and cultures that have used this symbol for thousands of years.
I read in the previous post that the anticlockwise version represents a negative aspect. To counter that, I found this on Wikipedia:
The symbol as it is used in Buddhist art and scripture is known in Japanese as a manji (literally, “the character for eternality” ??), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. When facing left, it is the omote (front) manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).
If we are to learn anything from the mistakes of world history, surely it is to promote greater understanding of others’ beliefs and cultures, not to hide them!
You write that a Sanskrit scholar, “Sarkar, explained that the swastika has both a positive (clockwise) and a negative (the anticlockwise swastika) expression” in your ’symbolism’ section of this website.
And then that,
‘He then went on to warn those present not to use the negative swastika, explaining that it brings total annihilation, while the positive swastika brings total victory.’
But here I would like to draw your attention to the Yungdrung Bön tradition that is 18′000 years old and still intact today as a valid spiritual path. It had used the ‘negative’ swastika for a long time, but readers may get the impression that something like Yungdrung Bön is an evil or negative cult, which is naturally not the case.
It’s silly to think a swastika one way or the other really changes its effects. I’d take out the comment of this if it were me, and I would suggest that you do so to avoid misunderstanding for people who come on this website.
wow, how ignorant some people are. the swastika is a symbol of peace and love. the nazi’s couldn’t think of their own symbol, so they decided to smash the reputation of one of the most beautiful and peaceful symbols in the world. thanks a fucking lot. now, peacful, religious, people are being falsely thought of as a member of a group based on hate. how very sadly ironic. ? peace, love, and harmony?
Now I’ve been getting a lot of mail about the use of Swastikas in the Philippines. Just to make things clear Swastikas really have no negative meaning in the Philippines. Strangely enough, many people don’t realize that the Swastika was a religious symbol long before it was a symbol for the Nazi party. The people displaying Swastikas on their sidecars may very well be Buddhist, Hindu, or Jainists, as the Swastika is a symbol used in those religions and yes they do exist in the Philippines. Just an addition, there are several Chinese temples in Cebu City itself. In one particular Chinese temple they use Swastika symbols. It is found near the Reclamation area or just behind the old White Gold establishment. I hope the temple is still there. The area is a bit rough and not a good place to be at night.
Greetings from USA, Glad to hear and hope you best wishes on educating the public. The wounds of the Jewish people will not heal as long as racism still exist, The American Neo-Nazi’s do a good job of bringing back the painful memories of the holocaust. i got alot of trouble also for wearing the Buddhist Swastika symbol especially from the jewish people. Alot of Native Americans also used the Swastika symbol also.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbol, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity, and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbo, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
As a Heathen, I know that this symbol, at least in the west, originates as a symbol of Lord Thunor’s strength, might, and protection. The symbol’s visual design is of His lightning.
Alex claims that it should be banned, as Buddhism needs no symbols and whatnot. Sorry bub, but your nay-saying attitude will not give a better understanding, nor a better education to the public.
If Hitler made our symbol a racist one, then the Klan has done with same with the American flag that they now fly more than the old Confederate flag.
If we are to ban the Fylf?t, then we are to also ban the American flag, since it represents military aggression, racist oppression, and torture in Guantanamo Bay.
Querido Ardilla Roja:
Of course, we are the son’s of the Swastika… the ancient symbol who is, in fact, a symbol of freedom.
Here in Mexico we have Swastikas too.
Have a Happy New Year.
The Ancient symbol of the Fyflot, The Sunwheel etc,I wear as a tattoo, I attained this symbol in Iceland, where it is representative of Thor’s Hammer, The Protective Norse God of the Common man!
On the other arm is the Valknut which represents The High One Odin .
Lord of Truth to whom I give my allegiance!
It has nothing in common with the Nazi’s and totalitarianism in general!
May we all stand strong in the defence of Freedom!
the swastika should be banned. Buddhism does not need symbols. Even the Lord Buddha congratulated a monk when he burned a wooden buddha statue to keep warm. The swastika has become a symbol of hate in the west. There is no need to provoke by reintroducing the symbol no matter how ancient it is.
Dear AUpshaw:
I understand, living with racist is very hard , but the use of the Swastika is cause they are ignorants, they believe the stupid Hitler create the symbol… here we try to rescue the symbol, is not simple, but we must to try…
Trully yours:
H.von Neuhaus
The reason why swastikas are still looked down on is not simply because it was used as a hate symbol in the past–it still is a hate symbol. I live in the south: a traditionally rascist part of the country. I know people who legitimately hate Jews and use the swastika to symbol their beliefs in hatred.
I understand there must be frustration in the hijacking of a holy symbol. But be careful about promoting something that represents to most people (especially in the west) pure hatred.
Being a Buddhist of many years, I have seen it placed frequently on broacades and the like. It is not, in my tradition – Tibetan, a prominent symbol. I believe it was taken from the Bon religion, but am unsure. I also believe it symbolizes protection of some sort.
Of course, the Iluminatologists say it is a broken cross, but considering it’s age in the East, I am skeptical.
What Francisco Marto Rodrigues said is perfectly true. Since once ba***d misused a symbol other ba**ds want to ban it. What the change they can bring by banning a symbol. If thats the case since Hilter’s catholism caused all these havoc then Catholism also be banned. Since he used militiary dress that also should be banned. Since he lived in Germany all germans should be banned. Foolish fellows. The future can always rub away the past so use Swastika in your profiles websites etc…. and propogate it. No body can su*k anything.
For me the swastika might symbolize The Golden Rule, “Do not do to other that you wouldn’t like done upon yourself !” the keystone wisdom for human mutualism and cooperation that can be found in a form or another in all mankind schools of thought and philosophies. The karmic buddhist version of it says ignoble deeds will fire back on you as a boomerang.
In a broader view, the swastika might stand for the univers’ cyclical nature, whatever that means
The problem with the West and the western mind is to see things as black and white. But life is a rainbow. Sex has been repressed and prostitution and pornography appeared as an offshot. Joy and ecstatic manifestations are repressed and then people start consumming drugs. An idiot has used a sacred symbol and now idiots want to ban it. Both idiots are part of the same type of mind, just the two sides of a coin. If they want to ban the sacred swastica because of the nazis, they shoud ban the cross because of the Crusades and the eagle as a symbol because of its connection with the nazis. Then all the symbols should be banned each time an idiot uses it for egoistic purposes. They are ignorant! The swastika is an ancient variation of the cross and are more variations like the symbol of Venus and the egyptian cross. Because the cross esoterically symbolizes the Fall of the divine Spirit into Matter, the dimensions of space and time. If they ban the swastika people should start use it beneath the clothes, like a mandala.
im lee and ppl call me nazi cuz i like 2 draw swastikas. ther my fav symbol for a deep reason i dnt rly want 2 say infrnt of ppl but yea ther dumbasses its only nazi 2 americans and europeans. they say its a symbol of racism cuz of hitler but he just used a symbol for a flag like if america kills jews will a star be an evil symbol then. its just a symbol that sum dumbass serial killa used fo his flag hes not the only 1 who used it hes just the most known nowadays
Why would one want to “use” a symbol that refers to a specific thing? Like why change a noun into a verb as in “to Google” someone or something. One is never fully responsible for the personal actions of others, but one can provoke responses that may or may not be favorable. I would no more lay my understanding of the swastika on a HyperJew than deliberately stick my hand into a bucket of snakes, just because of how how the snake is likely to respond. It’s the snake’s behaviour that’s the problem, not mine.
So I can use the 3 swastikas put together like himmler did at his castle Wewelburg a.k.a camalot,and pple wont be affended by it because they dont know what it is .Because they only know the swastika that hitler used?
That’s incorrect, the SS used the double rune siga like two paralel rays… some divitions of the Waffen SS use the siga for make a swastika, but they are just a few. Hitler use the Swastika like a “arian symbol” but that is incorrect too, the Swastika is a mistic symbol of life and good luck… the nazis –all of they a mob– maculate a ancient symbol with his garbage.
Heil Leben!!!
This symbol is the static representation of the wheel with wings referred to in any study of angels. In real life, they rotate and sound very much like a turbine engine starting up. They have been here forever and may be thought of as souls awaiting the opportunity to reincarnate as neded, although not all of them need to. When directed to interact in synchronous rotation, their harmonies obtain the portals to the higher planes. One may hear the Voice of God should you be fortunate enough to be visited by these creatures. They are here, they are living amongst us and within us. Always have been and always will be, although in the world beyond time, “always” is sort of moot.
The swastika sustains life, and destroys it.
That is the scientific fact.
For those who cliam that the swastika is purely a creative force are not looking deep enough (into that giant swastika we call the milky way}.
Galexies begin by being ‘positive’ and sending energy and stardust out untill it goes into reverse; once the reverse effect begins then the black hole destroys all traces of that which it gave birth.
Positive swastikas send energy out, the negetive onse suck energy in.
Ofcourse both processes create life; so in the end life loses, but the new beginning belongs to life.
So the swasdtika really is a symbol of life.
“Star of the moring” belongs to the Creative force for ever and ever……..
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Watch this video above, tell me are those reclining buddhas on the Etruscan uns.
I have a feeling their Godess Barati could have some connection with the Mahabharata.
I followed your youtube link. I found the video very strange. The vibration of the narrator’s voice was very creepy. I truly hope most viewers have the intelligence and discrimination to see it for what it is.
This website states the view of the Indian Spiritual master, Shrii Shrii Anandamurti, that the swastika as depicted on this website represents spiritual victory and that direction of movement is anti-clockwise which corresponds to the movement of the Kundalinii as it rises from the base cakra (pronounced “chakra”) up through the centre of the spine reflecting one’s spiritual progress.
I would encourge people to focus much less on the direction of the swastika and more on the idea that it actually represents, namely spiritual progress and spiritual victory. This is so important today on this planet. Real, genuine, authentic spirituality free from the grip of dogmatic religion – a spirituality based on the development of the higher – intuitional – layers of the human mind, and the progressive, actual experience of themselves as Pure Love Consciousness. This is the great need of the moment on this planet.
So many have attested to the fact that a battle is being waged on this planet to influence and control the collective psychic vibration that is generated here – that means, the vibration that human beings are creating. I encourage people to think about that – what is that vibration? What do you read about in the paper every day? see on the TV? watch at the cinema? What vibration is being “cultivated”, elicited amongst the mass of humanity today? Ultimately, it comes down to one or other forms of one dominant emotion – FEAR.
That is the vibration that grips this planet – fear of self, fear of others, fear, even of God. What’s the reason for that? Let people think about this. What possible reason could there be for dominant national and global institutions to create a fear vibration in the world. And who is behind such a crude agenda?
What we see today is polarisation – between that fear vibration and the agenda it represents (control, totalitarianism, cultural degradation, materialism, disconnectednes and individualism) and it’s opposite: Love for All that Is.
The quality of Love is a spiritual quality, and the victory of that Love on this earth – which means transformation of our fear-based, greed-based human society towards a “Neo-humanist” society – is represented by the swastika.
Combined with proper spiritual practices – intuitional practices – it is possible to flood this planet with spiritual waves of Pure Love. The source of that pure love is the heart of human beings, accessed through spiritual practices. The following spiritual MANTRA is one powerful means of creating that vibration:
BA’BA’ NA’M KEVALAM
Everything is the expression of one, Infinite, Loving Consciousness.
or, in short: the essence of everything is Love
This mantra can be sung – LOUDLY! alone or with others. The important thing is to really feel the meaning of the mantra – that everything is Love. After singing the mantra one can then sit in quiet meditation, repeating the mantra slowly and silently in the mind for 10 or 20 minutes (or longer!).
I often face the swastika while I am chanting this mantra – the direction as represented on this website!
COMBAT 18:
do it like your idol and kill yourself and tell others like you to do the same… don’t leave on earth any piece of nazi industry… clean all the nazis from the face of the earth… swastika 4 peace!!
I use the Lauburu from the vasque, and the maya Swastika… I know other religions use this symbol, and is a very vital symbol, like all from paganism, the christian cross is a torture symbol, and catholics make in his name a systematic murder of the “others”, even christians. Catholics don’t deserve mercy from History.
Von Neuhaus
I think that we should wear the swastika out in public
freely and openly,and no longer be afraid of the damn
nieve and stupid pple. The Swastika in my Teutonic
Religion is a viking swastika same meanings of the positive side, and symbol of Donnar god of Thunder.
The damn Jews!,need zu wake the fick up and forget about the past and look toward the future und worry about the damed Iraqs.The Jew symbol is a gang sign also and if a symbol is a gang sign then they shouldn,t be ficken wear it anyway like we the Buddhst,Hindu,Germans,und all religons that have the swastka and if we get them not to wear then they would have no choice but to let all religions be free of this curse by Adol Hitler .I want to wear my Swastika for the follower of Donnar my god, as his symbol out in the open freely with out getting harmed,threatened,hated,punnished,or jumped on!
I’m an Indian who’s grown up watching his whole family, society and country loving, respecting and revering the ‘Swastika’. Swastika is an indispensable symbol at any important Hindu occasion, esp. at/on/in temples & religious households of India; as are the Aryan (creators of the Swastika) Vedic hymns, which are absolutely necessary to be recited at – every Hindu birth, marriage, death, festival ceremonies, etc.
I was shocked to discover (during my school days) that Swastika and the term ‘Arya/Aryan’ had been mis-used by the Nazis towards extremely violent means and ends. I’m still hurt when I hear about these two terms – ‘Swastika’ and ‘Arya’ being used by the neo-Nazis and Pan Aryans to justify their illogical (hatred filled, racial and biased) views of history and race.
Thankfully, the reality behind these two terms is easily available on the internet today, which shows how these terms were originally associated with nobility, high-morals, auspiciousness, self-responsibilty, intelligence and courage.
We Indians (esp. 85% Hindus) cannot imagine our lives, daily conduct and spiritual beliefs without Aryanism and Swastika. That’s all I can say. Thanks.
I have come across that video before, I found it sad that left and right political ideologies had to be brought into it. Making out the swastika belongs to either is not the way forwards.
Let alone attempting to make out Left is Good and Right is bad. There has been much more suffering under Communism than there was under the Nazis and the EU is creeping Communism if you ask me.
Politics needs to keep well away from the swastika altogether. I cannot imagine for one minute that what they put fowards as truth in this video is anything more than left wing Political propaganda.
I prefer to leave the Left and Right political scaremongering to the sad ethics of politicians and turn to the yin and yang symbol of balance and harmony. Politics taints everything it touches.
The swastika is not all bad there for it should not be baned in all parts of the world. But for the part in wich the nazi’s used it for there national symbol, it is very much evil. Be thankful the allies stoped the nazi’s and there rampage.
This site is a fantastic find! Still a little bit of reading that needs to take place on my part, but I am sure I will get there.
I had no idea about the EU band … crazy! I am currently living in Sweden … I hope that they do not come and confiscate my Swastika hat that I brought back from our 100th anniversary.
Yes, I am from the small town called Swastika … the same little town in Canada … yes you can see the town sign in the pictures section of this site.
We will to restore the Swastika as a human kind symbol… not for a religion or a political movement, just like the cosmic symbol the Swastika is.
Von Neuhaus
The swastika is the world’s oldest complex symbol. The oldest found swastika is around 8500 years old. Traditionally the swastika has been used all over the world on every continent and has almost universally meant good fortune, life, light or other good things.
We must not let this discrimination of an ancient symbol continue, just because a bunch of Germans used it in their political organization’s symbol.
It is not just the swastika that needs reclaiming but historical truth, the twin evils of Communism and Capitalism is destroying all peoples heritage and culture and torning our nations into slaves of the system.
We should support World Dharma by rediscovering our Common vedic heritage
The true meaning of the swastika is a beautiful one; I have always wanted (and am getting soon!) a small swastika tattoo to remind me to persevere. Indeed, this site is a wealth of information and one I will reference in regards to my tattoo!!
One thng to note is that the Hindu, Buddist etc Swastikas are never rotated 45 degrees and are often accompanied by dots. This changes the symbol significantly. The Nazis abused many symbols – runes, celtic symbols (eg triskele) etc, most have “survived and revived” since World War 2. Sadly the swastika still envokes horror in most western eyes and I think the symbol will take a long time to be reinvented in western eyes – as Steven Heller says in “Swastika-symbol beyond redemption” – “On the scales of meaning the horror the swastika evokes far outweighs any benign and harmless attributes it has(in the western world at least)”
I’ve actually noticed both so-called ‘negative’ and ‘positive’ swastikas on ancient Irish relics, suggesting to me that Hitler’s choice of Hakenkreuz was not a ‘perversion’ of the swastika, but another form of it.
Jewish bankers actualy funded both us the British and also Hitler and the Nazi party via the bush family.
( sound familiar to anyone bushes being involved in disreputable deeds and acts ? )
If It were not for the Jewish American funding Germany wouldnt have got any where both cilivil or war constructions.
The Swastika is actualy on Numerous Ancient relics.
one video people may considering watching is a BANNED video.
JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY.
It is Very informative to the more open minded in our societys.
Did The 3rd Reich actualy fall ???????????
or did it continue via C.I.5 and 6 in uk and C.I.A in U.S.A and Nasa etc )
Hidden History ????? why hide the truth ?????
the Zionist offered UK in ww2 help from U.S forces IF we conceded to give the Jews Isreal back, which we did in 47 ?
The Swastika in mayan country is a couple of enlaced serpents… is a astronomical symbol and thats the way still is used by groups like the Asume-Edelweiss; Bergsteiger und Überleben… the Swastika in all the North Hemisphere represent the aparent move of stars around the North Pole Star.
The use of Swastika by the nazi garbage is only another crime against intelligence.
¡Saludo la Victoria de la Vida!
There’s no directional difference for a Swastik in my opinion. It’s like a gun, for example : is a tool, one could use it to create peace or violence.
Your mind could see movement but the movement is an illusion (linguistic, pictorial).
A Swastik (a) may be representing something, in different languages, but it’s only a symbol.
In the East we believe it represents good and equality. A semantical balance, all equal.
It’s as-if to call for a ban on the US flag if it were used by a militant group to promote terror?
To submit and agree to the true meaning of the Swastik as represented by the majority.
Nevertheless what you fail to understand is that good and bad are human moralistic concepts based on the concept of self-preservation. Meaning nature doesn’t equate to the concept of good and bad. Hence good and bad is in your mind (thought) and body (action).
Using a symbols representing great power has always been the exploratory pursuit of political supremacy.
The rest is the sweet stupidity of ignorant believer/non-believer.
Oh, and by the way I believe that nature has a mechanism of evolving in the form of life and that it try’s to promote self-preservation. Any ideal that promotes self-preservation, will believe in the multiplicity of the complex universe, will agree that to live we need to let live, the devours and the absurd.
However you understand the comedy of nature be careful how you Represent it ! While many will get it, someone will always get it wrong
Q: Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
A. It depends on the context. Different cultures believe different things. There is no “right” answer. Like many things in life, this is a gray area unless you stand in a stationary position (e.g., believe in one representation)
Disturbing news from Lithuania. Apologies if this appears elsewhere on your site. I am very disappointed that the Seimas does not recognize the use of the swastika as an ancient, sacred symbol. Even “variants thereof” have been banned!
Banned Symbols
Today, the Parliament (Seimas) of Lithuania passed the toughest law in
Europe prohibiting the display of all Nazi and Soviet symbols, including
flags of the Third Reich, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and
Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, their arms, uniforms and anthems.
Prohibition includes also any variant of the swastika, hammer and sickle
and five-pointed red star and public display of the images of the
leaders of the NSDAP and the Communist parties of the USSR and LSSR.
During the discussion, radical deputy Petras Grazulis (Union of the
Fatherland) wanted to include the symbols of the Polish Home Army
(AK-Armia Krajowa) into the law, but this was rejected by the
Parliament.
Russian media told their readers and viewers that the anthems of the
Russian Federation and Federal Republic of Germany won’t be performed in
Lithuania anymore as identical to those of Nazi Germany and Soviet
Union. However, the Lithuanian Parliament made it clear that the
prohibition concerns only the old words of both anthems.
Source: Gazeta Wyborcza, Warsaw, June 17, 2008.
Chrystian Kretowicz, 18 June 2008
And tomorrow is the 69 aniversary of British declaration of war to the nazis, for show then how’s the free world with agresors.
Long life to the British Army!
Blooson, I have swastikas on my collectable WWII German uniforms because they are part of them. Whether they are viewed as good, bad, or indifferent, the swastika is just a geometric design. The East does not have an exclusive claim to the swastika, nor any other part of the world or any religion. No one knows when the first one was scrawled with a burnt stick on some rock or an opponent’s forehead. I could claim I invented punctuation marks and therefore demand royalty payments from the entire Earth’s population.
Perhaps it is time to cleanse the Swastika of its negative connotations and liberate it from its association with the Nazis.
As many have pointed out the Swastika is an ancient spiritual symbol that has been in existance for thousands of years and can be found engraved on the walls and floors of Buddhist and Hindu temples as well as churches in parts Asia and Europe. It is a symbol that unites races and religions.
Nazi swastikas are black, not red, or blue, or plaid. What is with all of the Hindu stuff? Hindus think their dead uncle is a beaver, or some deformed child is a god. The U.S. Navy has a building that is a swastika. And guess what? Somebody saw it on Goggle Earth and whined about it. Now, with my tax dollars, the building will be changed so the whinybutts will shut up.
Well that is a mirrored western swastika or the swastika you are using as your page banner.
I must also say that a red swastika which turns counterclockwise and is a mirror projection of the swastika you are using, stems out of the Hindhu culture.
The blue one who is also mirrored and turns counterclockwise, that stems out of the Tibetan Bön culture which has its roots about 18.000 years ago…..
So the Nazi cross is a red one and shows the copy out of the Hindhu culture.
Furter copied out of the Hindhu cultur, done by the German spiritual lady adviser from Hitler is the word Arier.
Arier is derived from the Sanskrit word Aryan and this means great. Herewith is meant the greatness of the Brahmins. These Brahmins have blue eyes and blond hair. These are the Aryans of the Vedas. So Hitler thought with the help of his female spiritual advisor that the Germans would be the source of the Brahmins.
Further do the Brahmins speak an Indo-German language. This is indeed for Europeans easier to study then Chinese.
That all was for Hitler a motivation to make war on an ideological base.
Mussolini did the same in relation with the Roman empire and Hirohito, well he was anyway a God King and could do everything he liked.
These were some more detailed explanations regarding the Swastika in relation to the western world use of the ancient powerfull blue skies symbol.
Kalden, the emblem of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division was, from 1923 to 1940, a red right-pointing swastika on a yellow diamond. Both ways are found in American Indian history and societies. The 45th changed its symbol in 1940 because of the Nazis. Today it is a red Thunderbird and the smaller 45th Infantry Brigade is headquartered in Oklahoma as the Oklahoma Army National Guard, though a lot of them are in Iraq right now. Swastikas have been pointed both ways in many countries for many years. Who knows, there might be cave paintings somewhere with swastikas. Hmmm…Nazi neanderthals.
There is something to say about your banner e.a. logo.
When the swastika is right turned this means in fact the nazi cross.
The ancient Hindhu and Tibetan Bön swastika cross is to the left turning.
The swatika is the symbol of eternity.
The swatika describes with its left turning the way the palnets turn.
The Swastika means in the Bön history of aboyt 18.000 years YUNG DRUNG.
Because Bön deals with ultimate Wisdom is this Wisdom eternal and symbolyzed by the Swastika or Yung Drung or in the Bön language Mu Drung. With last mentioned Mu Drung is: Mu = sky and drung = eternal
P.s.I saw the reply of a Jewish person. he might maybe upset because your emblem or banner figures the anzi cross, because it is a right turning cross. Like i told are the religious crosses used in Tibetan Bön Buddhism and in Hindhu culture, left turning swastikas.
My, hasn’t this subject veered off into sniping and innuendo. It’s just a geometric design. What if they had used a hexagon? So much for bolt heads.
But, if controversy is required by some just to get a rise with an unrelated subject, here is a note from 8-year old Kurt Hoffstedter of Munich in 1943:
Dear Mister Himmler,
please don’t kill all of the kikes. I like to fly them.
To my dear Lev Abramovich:
you’re too stupid to be talking like this. It’s not a “nazi cross” you idiot. And this site is about a symbol with thousands of years older than the nazis and concentration fields or jews themselves. How can you be such an idiot? Either you’re a cultureless jew or just a sutpid guy with internet and nothing to do. Long live the swastika, symbol of good luck and prosperity. Death to stupid idiots and nazis! Circumsized kisses to you all! *****
I stumbled onto this website while researching the origins of the Nazi cross for a college class.
I am saddened by people who still are so dumb that they think the “jews” run the world.
You all just cant accept that there are jews in many different countries, who are all different races, and several of them are very successful. They are successful because they worked hard, and are smart!!!!
Try it sometime. Hopefully you too are smart!
And, From what I gather, isnt this site supposed to be for people to try and restore the peaceful, and WISE meaning of the original Swastika?
I cant believe how many STUPID people are on this site! I have seen countless people say that the holocaust was a lie, and then even more people not say one word about it!
How could the holocaust be a lie, if there were 19 concentration camps across europe, 7 DEATH camps across europe (devoted SOLELY to INCINERATING all of its visitors),
and many labor camps as well.
Over 30 camps total, devoted to sacrifice….not to mention, that the population of Polands jews went from much over 3 million, to less than 100,000!!!
Then, add the countless other jews, the Russian jews. the Hungarian jews, the german jews. Even Greek and Danish jews were killed.
There are COUNTLESS VIDEO TAPEs of Countless camps being Liberated, with PILES of bodies, containing hundreds of thousands of people, and that is only from the last couple DAYS of the war! Use COMMON SENSE!!!!
This isnt some conspiracy!!! Many different countries had soldiers with film, photographs, and written accounts of these atrocites. Not to mention, the several german documents detailing the plans. And, the many nazi officials who ADMITTED these atrocities.
Oh, and I almost forgot, we have the actual REMAINS of over 30 HUGE camps, devoted to housing thousands of prisoners, and then cowardly proceeding to gas and burn them.
Dont you get it????
They had to build STOVES in order to BURN THE CORPSES. THAT IS HOW MANY WERE KILLED.
Do you get it now???? Kill twenty people. Mass grave. Kill 500,000 people at one camp over four year? You have to proceed to Incinerate them. WHich is what the Nazi scum DID. Now, add up ALL of the death camps, and youve got 6 million EASY.
You want to be CONSERVATIVE???? 5.5 million is being ridiculously conservative.
You can fill up a book with the SS cowardice. The eisenstazgruppen would kill THOUSANDS of slavic jews in russia, and even slavic christians, for no other reason than these soldiers were brainwashed into believing that the people were scum.
In germany and hungary and otehr countries, The SS had several ambulances, which were air-sealed, and had a big red cross on the back. These big vans would drive up to groups of native villagers, and ask them if anyone wants to go and work, and be fed. Then, the ones who got in, would be driven around a corner, and gassed, in the rear of the van.
LOOK IT UP. There are many pictures, and testimonies, which are obviously authentic. I enjoy the neo-nazi who OWNS UP to what their idols did in WW2. At least those neo-nazis have BALLS.
OH, and the Swastika is NOT a WHOLLY GERMANIC OR NORDIC SYMBOL. How many artifacts must be found all over the earth for you dumb neo-nazis to accept this? It is YOU who are sub-human!
Richey and Pete:
I agree with you too, everybody in the world need a change of goverment, but I hope that came without violence.
The better way could be the education, and that’s a very hard task.
Hope we can do that together.
That’s the spirit of the Swastika’s people.
Toi, toi, toi !
Richey, I agree whole heartedly with you. All you and your fellow countrymen need to do is what we did with the same government you are under now. The question is: Do enough of you have the bolox to actually do it? It’s a big move, but the only alternative is continued slavery. Then again, you are unarmed and therefore any action would be moot. We kept the Germans from doing this to England. We didn’t know the British government would do the same thing years later. Sorry. It’s up to you (England) to make your destiny what you will of it. I hope you prevail.
We need Reinvention, A new flag. We need a new meaning. A new way of the old ways! We need to put all the best ideas together and use them. If any negative stuff comes along we need to come together and communicate with the person or people to find a positive outcome for all concerned.
Today in the uk and alot of europe people are sick and tired with being messed around by their governments and councils. Most of the partys are corrupt to the core. People need to unite and do something about it. One day soon the day will come when people will say NO MORE.
I love swastikas! They give the illusion of rotation, but they are standing still. They’re like old school spinners! But I’m not a Hindu or even religious at all. I’m white and I feel that it is a symbol of my heritage and it connects me with other white people. I don’t want to kill the jews but when I see a swastika it makes me feel proud that I am white.
We have only one revolution to our credit and it was our own. We have tried to stay out of other people’s wars (Norway was pussy enough to be taken by the Germans) but, we helped get them out of your country anyway. We have been either dragged into foreign wars since 1812 or were attacked and did something about it. Americans don’t like war. We like going on with our daily lives and not messing with goofballs who have nothing better to do than interupt normal people. I’m guessing you are fairly young and watch too much left-wing TV. We have nothing to do with Nazis, except putting them out of business.
And just what is “bad” about having an eagle as our national symbol? The eagle is a symbol of majesty and strength, which this nation possesses. What is your’s, a walrus, or maybe an icicle? On top of all that, you are illiterate.
jadroe, you must be jocking.
The country you are talking of is not a country but an empire. It has prodused more conflicts, wars and revolutions than any other empire in the world.
I wish they never use the Swasita , it is bad anough that they use the eagle.
In a society like the one that is present in the U.S. today, would it even be possible to enlighten people to the true meaning of the Swastika?
This society is so media fed, and who controls the media? The same people that don’t want to let go of the recent past, the recent past compared to how old the Swastika is.
Such a great country, one that really does produce a lot of good, but there is just this hint of common sense missing, the drive to “know” beyond the media, to think outside of the tube.
If the cultures that used the Swatsika as a positive symbol also had a God, then I wish that this God would appear and educate the closed minded, and do away with the upholding of the wrong images that people have of this ancient ideogram.
It seems to me that the human body is a converter- the perfect tool for transforming energies that pass through us. all energies that pass through the human body or are generated by the human body should be converted to positive, beautiful energy that resembles light as opposed to darkness.
This symbol as become dark and it creates darkness in the hearts of people who look at it now.
it must be converted to light- so that light is its only creation.
I saw a Chinese Mauser years ago that had many swastikas stamped all over it. I asked the dealer what they were about and he said the swastika was, and is, a popular good luck symbol in China. One time I drew an electrical schematic and then noticed that four of the wires looked like a swastika. I didn’t change it. Some people whine too much about nothing. It’s just a geometric design. The next thing you know, someone will want to ban circles because people throw up if they spin around too much or, squares because they impart being “enclosed” and therefore anti-social. We musn’t forget the mentally impared (like those who freak out about swastikas).
You can still find plenty of swastikas in the Southwest of America because the Indians use it for all sorts of things. I saw a wrench a few years ago that was made in Chicago in the 1920s and the company logo was a swastika. Whine, whine, whine.
That, about the armenian swastika is really interesthing… have you photos or something about that?
The Swastika is a beauty, the nazis are idiots.
Sieg Heil, und Sieg Berg!!!!
Live long and prosper!
the jews are the ones who tried to vilify and ban the swastika, let us not leave that point out. the national socialists used it for the same reasons you do.
“Swastika” ideogram is an ancient symbol depicted by plenty in Armenian Highlands, dating back
to 20-15,000 years BC. Armenians call the symbol Astica. The prefix “Ast” stands for
Almighthy. Ast.vads in Armenian means God, the sufix “ads” means: who gives birth to [energy].
Torquemada:
You must be one of those who believe in the inquisiciòn like the method for make good catholic slaves.
The inquisitors are criminals.
I hope you can learn a little bit more about the Swastika.
Your catholic cross is a torture instrument.
live long and prosper!
You must be one of those that believe in the Mumbo Jumbo of Christianity.
Hakekors has been around before they even where considering making that fairytale.
¿Cual profanación? Están dándole demasiada importancia a la cruz cristiana, la cual en realidad no es otra cosa que un instrumento de tortura.
Además, al simpático “torquemada”, para que fuera “una profanación”, la cruz cristiana tendría que haber sido equilátera… y no lo es.
El verdadero símbolo del cristianismo fue el PEZ luego la iglesia romana -que no es cristiana-, eligió el simbolo de tortura romano como su insignia y en nombre de ese instrumento de tortura los católicos, no los cristianos, masacraron a millones mediante la inquisición, las cruzadas, etc.
Así que ¿cual profanación?!!
La Swastika es un símbolo dinámico, de acción y bondad… la cruz de los católicos es estática, significa dolor y muerte.
Hackcross (Hakenkreuz) is profanation of Christian Cross done by breaking its beams in half on middle of each beam radiating from crossing point. Because of this, hackcross should be totally banned.
Mr.Castillo:
Realmente todo se reduce a una cuestión de interpretación.
Son las personas las que hacen las cosas buenas o malas, como también es de las personas el concepto de bien y mal.
La Swastika, como se ha dicho muchas veces, es signo de bienaventuranza, es antigua y dinámica, los nazis la ensuciaron y los creyentes en “satanismos” le adjudicaron una dualidad buena o mala según la dirección en la cual se supone “gira”, pero eso es una tontería.
Si desea conocer algo mas al respecto, busque en el website del periodico Voces mi artículo sobre la Swastika y verá el profundo significado que esta tuvo para las culturas ancestrales de México y tiene ahora para grupos de montaña como el Edelweiß Gruppe Mexiko.
Atentamente.
H.Chavarría
I say that people that want to do evil or bad things always steal from God the beautiful things to devalue them and cause confusion. It is always in the eyes of the beholder and their perception. I have always loved the rainbow and when I learned it had sinister meanings was told to take it off my truck. No, I know what it means to me. That is all that matters. The swastika is what you believe it to be. As humans we tend to forget that God made all things good. Man in his choices and rebellion chooses to make things evil. The Confederate Flag to me is beautiful yet it offends others. I see it as part of history and not as a race symbol. People need to let things go, :its a bag of Cheetos”, let it go and get another one.
For sure Bernt:
The representation of Swastika as the sun, came from the cultures of south, like Moches and Quechua. In the north cultures, like Maya and Mexica, is a polar symbol and that’s the way as he was always used.
The movement (aparent) of the Polar Bear around the North Star.
Bernt you are correct with the rest, but never the direction have a significance of good or evil like some people want to believe…
In fact, the mayan Swastika is a double one… and have the same value.
That’s the way we on the Edelweiß use them on the mountains.
Lo que resultó muy claro fue su nivel ¿cultural?, Uds. son de esas personas, arrimadas a la limosna gringa quienes para empezar no hablan ni inglés ni español…
Preguntan algo de jardín de niños y cuando se les responde correctamente, su ignorancia les lleva a sentirse ofendidos (sintiendo que les dijeron satanistas), bueno esa es una premisa de la estulticia.
Es obvio que firman “anónimos” por las siguientes posibles razones:
1.- Les da pena su apellido (si lo tienen).
2.- Son tan cobardes que necesitan el escudo del anonimato.
3.- Se han puesto tan en evidencia en su estulticia, que hay una muy comprensible verguenza.
4.- Seguramente andan huyendo de migración…
5.- Obviamente a cualquiera le daría pena que los mexicanos de verdad, a los que insultan en sus “cartas”, sepan quienes son… )
6.- Son unos maricas cobardes, aparte de apátridas, que sólo desean ser gringos (lo cual jamás serán pues ahí sólo los aceptan como criados de cuarta) y sólo quisieran llamarse smith, en vez de perez. )
7.- Cuando quieran escribirme, háganlo en inglés, alemán, japonés o español…, no les pido maya o náhuatl, porque está demasiado más allá de su alcance y, no en una mezcla cómica de dos idiomas que no manejan.
Y por último, no haré chistoretes con sus apellidos porque como son culeros (la parte de atrás del pantalón), no los pusieron. Por cierto, no intenten con los albures, desconocen el castellano.
En cuanto a la historia, del periodo nazi y de mi país, tengo maestría y doctorado en ambas, amén de cinco premios nacionales por divulgación de la cultura (aunque dudo entiendan eso)… y, al ignaro que habló de la Thule Gesellschaft, debía leer libros de verdad con la historia de esa asociación, a la cual jamás pertenecieron quienes menciona, porque era una organización aristocrática.
En cuanto a la Swastika, JAMAS HA IMPORTADO “SU DIRECCIÓN”, HACIA LA DERECHA O LA IZQUIERDA. Hay Swastikas, no suasticas buenas o malas… y los nazis, por cierto, las usaban en ambas “direcciones”, debían documentarse donde valga la pena.
Ive Been side tracked by some Clown from Mexico calling me names because im inquiring about information and hoping someone could confirm or deny this information.
First
Basically what i have learned is that there are two representations of the swastika.
A positive and a negative.
If anybody can confirm or deny this PLEASE let me know.
Second
If the above is true. What ive learned is that the swastika which spins towards the right is considered the Positive Swastika
and the swastika that spins left is considered the negative swastika.
So for now.
Can anyone confirm or deny the above information.
I know that the swastika is one of the oldest symbols known to man and that indeed there may have been a time that there was No difference between the two types of swastikas.
What i think is that atleast from the mid 1800s to about the 1950s there may have been two representations of it.
Can anyone please confirm or deny?
Ill talk spanglish to you.
You seem to be educated mi amigo but the way u express yourself makes you seem very low class. I’m mexican. Mi papa nacido en Aguascalientes y mi mama en Jalisco. No tienes respeto mi amigo. Te ase falta. If its true you call mexicans born in the United States “come mierda” its ironic. Because millions of YOUR familia y amigos come over here every single year and live in the worst communities. Drive the cheapest oldest cars. Become gang members. Are ALL drunks and Adulterers. Have more children than they can afford. Don’t respect the laws. Don’t appreciate opportunities here and NEVER return to Mexico. They basically come to the United States to “Come Mierda” of us all. So before u consider Mexicans born in the U.S. “Come mierda” you better look around at your freinds and family that want to come here. Anyways lo que dices del swastika que Satanistas inventaron el Mal Swastika es lo que estoy diciendo. Hitler was a member of a Cult that worshipped Paganism or Satanism. It was called “}hule Society” No sabes nada Hector Chavalia. Go study history a little more. No hables lo que no sabes, estudia mas mi amigo. Hitler, Himmler, Y Hess eran parte de el “Thule Society”. So para ellos the swastika that rotated left was considered a more powerful symbol than the swastika that turned right. Hmmmm pues no se si me entiendes so nimodo Hector Chavala.
Hablando de los Maya, si se de el 2012. Y otra cosa, Si comes Mierda Hector. Aqui en Estados Unidos vivimos la vida buena. El Government de su country los tienen tan domiandos que ni pueden ganar $1 americano al dia. Felicidades
Dear Chicano:
First to all, Thanks for call me “come mierda”, that’s the way we, the real mexican, named the latin born garbage there, in USA. LOL.
So, I try to explain you, what the Swastika means, if you can’t understand: sorry my friend. And don’t call me “vato”, that’s like a insult for a real mexican: I can know about my name 500 years on the past, just in México. In the Pais Vasco, I can go 1000 more, years back so, I’m very proud to my family name, and that name is DE CHAVARRIA, with RR, not L, like use to say the people who can’t understand Spanish, that Euzkadi word means NEWHOUSE in your chicano language, and VON NEUHAUS in German, CASANOVA in Italy, ATARASHI IEE in japanese and is a very old name.
So, I can try to explain you about the Swastika in México, but I don’t think you can understand nahuatl or maya lenguages and his symbols, sorry.
By the other hand, if the swastika go to the right or to the left, that’s means nothing. That idea came from the “satanist” who was the most believers in the really pathetic chistian god.
Have a nice day.
Mexica tihui !!!!
(That was in nahuatl, the ancient lenguage of the Mexica). Be cool…
Que onda vato. Mire mi espanol no es muy bueno. So ohala awantas un poquito con como escribo. Ya se que no estoy escribiendo mis palas bien. Tambien soy mexicano. Nacido en Los Angeles. Puedo ver que entendiste lo que escribi en ingles. So si entiendes ingles porque no me respondes in ingles?? Entendi como 50% de lo que escribiste. Yo a oyido varias veces que la swastika dependiendo en que direccion esta dando vuelta representa “Mal” o “Bueno”. No qiero escribir mas de esta manera so si puedes escribir en ingles responde me. Si no come mierda por yamar me satanista.
Asta luego
Ah!, Real Revolution 2012:
Una cosa más…
Si te cuelgas del cuello una Swastika, irá con tus movimientos de un lado al otro ¿querría esto decir que eres “satanista” a veces y otras no?
Echale una ojeada a los estandartes nazis, esos de Deutschland Erwache! y verás que la Swastika va en ambos sentidos.
Eso del “satanismo nazi” lo inventaron varios alucinados, entre ellos los autores de Le Matin des Magiciens.
Un saludo.
Edelweisz Gruppe Mexiko.
La verdad es que esa idea, o más bien esa creencia, de que la Swastika “opuesta” significa “el mal”, es un invento de los patéticos creyentes occidentales en “el diablo”, esos mismos que inventaron las misas negras y otras tonterías teatrales con el único fin de hacer orgias. En realidad los “satanistas” -de Satán, el adversario-, son los más firmes creyentes en la deidad judeo-cristiana. ¿De no ser así, para que crear una liturgia respecto de su propia deidad adversaria?
En el budismo, las antiguas religiones mexicatl y en general todos aquellos que han -hemos-, usado la Swastika desde la más remota edad, el “sentido” de las “aspas” carece de importancia, la Swastika representa el movimiento, no un sentido de éste.
Los creyentes en el “satanismo” y tonterías afines se inventaron esas tonterías del movimiento levógiro u dextrógiro. El simbolismo “solar” corresponde a los pueblos australes, no a los creadores verdaderos de la Swastika, que procedemos del Hemisferio Norte.
Así que, no te enredes, la Swastika es un símbolo astronómico -polar para más referencia-, y el rollo nazi nada tiene que ver con eso. Ellos -los idiotas nazis-, usaron un símbolo que no les correspondía y hay que agregar a sus crímenes el haberlo ensuciado.
Un saludo afectuoso.
Von Neuhaus, Edelweisz Gruppe.
I don’t believe that both the clockwise and counter-clockwise spinning swastikas mean the same thing. There is a specific reason for example that the Nazis used the counter-clockwise spinning swastika and made sure that on there flags the swastika was never reversed on the opposite side. They did this by using thing fabric and basically sewing two flags together so that the bleed through did not show the clockwise spinning swastika. Any one who knows WWII history knows that the Nazis were Extremely heavy on Ideoligy. So there emphasis on making sure only the counter clockwise swastika was represented speaks volumes on how different its meaning was from the clockwise spinning swastika. From what I know the Nazis used the counter clockwise spinning swastika because it stood for Victory. This may be fact but there could also be another reason for having chosen this particular swastika.
What I have read only Once was that the positive swastika is the Clockwise spinning one and that it represents the Sun and nature or Natural or positive or Good energy. A true good luck charm. And that the Counter Clockwise spinning swastika represents the exact opposite. When u think about it this actually fits the stories about Hitler having been a member of the Occult.
So again and for the last time. Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
SWASTIKA -fylfot
THE SWASTIKE IS A SANSKRIT WORD COMPOSED OF “SU” MEANING “GOOD” AND “ASTI” MEAINING “BEING” WITH THE SUFIX “KA” AND IS EQUIVALENT TO “IT IS WELL” OR “SO BE IT”. tHE SWASTIKA IS ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT AND SACRED OF aRYAN SYMBOLS DATING BACK TO BEFORE 6,000 b.c.e. IT IS THE SIGN OF THE SUN,S STRENGHT, AS THE UNSTOPPABLE WHIRLING MIGHT OF WILL. THE ROUNDED VERSION VERSION IS KNOWN AS THE SUNWHEEL SWASTIKA. THE CLKOCKWISE MOTION REPRESENT THE CONSIUS SELF.
my grandfather was in the Luftwaffen. I may share his beliefs or i may not. it doesn’t matter. no matter what the connection to the symbol is, it only that. a symbol. people need to grow up and grow some balls. don’t let a simple little cross ruin your day.
About your doubt: the two swastikas are the same, the aparent movement around the Polar Star.
The Oldest religion don’t see differences on one and the oposite .
Youre
H.von Neuhaus
Christianity is a religion made up of goulash of religions and it was introduced in Europe with a sword in hand.
The swastika means good luck and have during the centuries been used as such, unfortunately evil temporary concurred the Aryans in WWII and using their propaganda machinery to smear the swastika.
I think the swastika does not resemble evil as thatis saying these religons which use the swastika are evil and that is like people saying Christianity is evil and thatis not nice
There is a widespread resentment in Japan (I’m from there btw) over the West’s usage of Swastika, known as “manji” in Japan.
Nintendo’s Pokemon had a buddhist-inspired character, but that was censored in the USA. The same happened to a cartoon “Kin’niku-man” OK, these are less big deals, but many Japanese families carry “family symbol”, and many of them contain manji, because it has been and still is the symbol of Buddhism in the same way cross is for Christianity and crescent is for Islam.
Japanese resentment probably wouldn’t have much effect, but what may happen is that China’s increasingly anti-west sentiment may pick on this issue and possibly India to follow.
Can Anyone Clear up what the Two forms of Swastikas actually mean though PLEASE.
Here is what ive read.
A positive swastika is one tha spins CLOCKWISE.
Clockwise meaning towards the Right with the extending lines flying left away from the clockwise spin.
The other example is the NAZI swastika which spins COUNTER CLOCKWISE. Meaning spinning towards the left with with extending lines extending right away from the counter clockwise spin.
The reason a clockwise swastika is considered POSITIVE is because its spinning with the NATURAL flow of NATURE. The SUN. Again NATURAL.
While they say a counter clockwise swastika is considered to mean VICTORY that tends to mean RESISTENCE or UN NATURAL. Against nature. To change the natural flow of things. While this of course sounds positive depending on your perspective it could also be considered as a Selfish act. To Combat the natural way of things for ones own personal
and brought luck to everybody else in the world if they won the world could probably be dead by now.
it sounds crazy but it brought luck in 1945 because the nazis wanted it to bring luck and help themselves win the war but because they were evil it didnt so the luck turned on them
I think you’re all a bunch of window lickers =)
What is the whole deal here! get a life! i mean the Swastika was produced along time ago, yes it still might be around, but btw fu!
The Swastika is an armature for a perpetual motion machine. In order to start the device, it needs to be hit by a bolt of lightning.
Hey you should open http://www.naziat.org/hitler.htm website to know why Hitler used swastika wrong way..
Swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. Swastika symbol means ‘well being’ in Sanskrit. Hindus use the Swastika symbol on temples and at auspicious celebrations.
Hitler distorted the shape of the symbol and used it for his demonic deeds. It was the man, and not the symbol, who committed the sins. The Swastika will remain a symbol of well being for people all over the world. Let us redeem the auspicious Swastika.
First of all, what I am going to write is only what I believe in.
This is indeed a very sensitive topic. I believe this symbol didn’t just affected nations but various religious beliefs as well. To the fact that this symbol was not intentionally made for the Nazis.
But we have to face the reality. Anti-Semitism broke out, exposing this symbol at the wrong end. Hopefully, people should be careful in carrying this symbol. I believe it should only be used by religious sects who carry this symbol. If you are a Christian and believer of God of Israel, I believe you have no reason to carry this symbol. Israeli’s are our brothers and sisters of our faith. Though, most have not received the Messiah, they are G-D’s first-fruits and has not rejected them (Isaiah 31:36-37). Please, if it is not necessary, let us not make them remember of their painful past by using this symbol.
I will not blame this symbol as a trigger for anti-Semitism and not even the Nazis. If there was a trigger, this person is the true culprit (see link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism
Last note: I suggest that this blog should change its tagline “The symbol for spiritual victory”. You must have mean well, but this can also suggest that Christians have won over the Jews as G-d’s people. Since Hitler is a Christian and has reasoned to destroy the Jews for religious purposes. Again, it is only a suggestion.
Shalom!
AISHA DO U KNOW WHAT DOES THE WORD ” ADOLF HITLER” STANDS FOR ??
ADOLF MEANS ” NOBLE OR VERY KIND GENTLE BEAST ”
AND HITLER MEANS ” ONE WHO LIVES INSIDE HUT ”
HENCE HE IS LORD PARASHURAMA BY HIS GERMAN NAME !!
WHY HITLER & HIMMLER STUDIED BIBLE , KURAN
& BHAGVAT GITA ? BECAUSE THEY WERE EVIL ??/
THE SS ALWAYS TOOK THE PLEDGE ON” BHAGVAT GITA” BEFORE MARCHING TOWARDS ENEMY TERRITORIES ?? WHY THE GERMAN SOLDIERS WERE ALWAYS REMINDED THAT ” GOD ALMIGHTY IS ALWAYS WITH THEM ??/
THEY COULD HAVE TOOK THE SIDE OF SATAN INSTEAD ?/
MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT HITLER USED ” SKULL & BONES ” SYMBOL BECAUSE HE WAS EVIL ? THOSE WHO THINK R FOOLS ??
HE USED ” SKULL & BONES SYMBOL ON RINGS , INSIGNIA, MILATARY BADGES BECAUSE HE WANTED GERMANS NOT TO FEAR DEATH !!!
HITLER IS ONE PERSON WHO WAS RESPECTED BY BOTH HIS
” FRIENDS AND ENEIMIES ALIKE !!!
WAHTS !! THE MYSTERY OF “DOUBLE THUNDER BOLT ” TWISTED 44 ” SYMBOL OF HITLER ”
BECAUSE WHEN GERMAN SS SOLDIERS WORE THAT MYSTERY 44 DASHING SIGN ,
IT GAVE HITLER THE IMPRESSION THAT ” THE GATES OF HEAVEN SUDDENLY OPENED WITH A THUNDEROUS ROAR , WITH A TWIN CELESTIAL LIGHTNING OF VERY HIGH VOLTS) STRIKING THE ENEMY AND WORLD ROLLED INTO ” GERMAN BLITZ CRIEG ”
HAIL THE GERMAN FUHRER, HAIL THE THIRD REICH & HAIL THE NAZI GERMANY !!!!!!!
HIMMLER DESIGNED A FORMULA AMONG THE SS
” ADOLF HITLER = LORD BUDDHA = LORD KRISHNA
DO U KNOW ????????AISHA
AISHA GO & FIND OUT IN ENCYLOPEDIA , IN WHAT COUNTRY WAS TELEVISON INVENTED ?
IN WHAT COUNTRY WAS HELICOPTER INVENTED & WHY ITS BLADE REVOLVES LIKE A SWASTIKA?
AISHA FIND OUT WHO WAS THE FIRST MAN WHO SENT INTER STELLER EMISSIONS TO OUTER SPACE ?
WHO MADE LINKS WITH DISTANT STAR
ALDEBARAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!?//////// AND ITS PEOPLE ???
WHY “HOLY GRAIL” WAS PROJECTED AND BY WHOM ?
WHO HELD THE INVINCIBLE “LANCE OF THE LONGINOS” & WHY ?
THE FINGER POINTS ” ONE BILLION TIMES ”
TOWARDS “ADOLF HITLER & HIS THIRD REICH”
TELL ME MS OR MRS AISHA WHY DID FUHRER WAS A VERY GOOD PAINTER ???????
&
WHY HITLER PAINTED
” MOTHER MARRY WITH LITTLE JESUS IN HER HANDS ” AISHA U R READING THIS ? FIND OUT WITH UR NATIVE DEFAMATION COUNCIL ABOUT THIS THAT WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS PAINTING ????????
OR ELSE U & UR TEAM WOULD LIKE TO AWARD
JEWS WITH NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR THEIR CANNIBALISM AND THE BRUTALITY WITH WHICH THEY CRUCIFIED JESUS ? THIS IS WHAT U WANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????/
FIRST USE UR BRAIN & CHECK THE TRUTH , THEN GIVE THE JUDGEMENT THAT I AM AN IMBLIC ? AND SO AND SO ?/!!!!
well different people have different ideas?
ya, what u always see is not true ? tell me aisha
how u judge people weather they r true or false?
what do u know about the world? u think those who r very soft and polite are always nice? thats like a “WOLF IN THE LAMB’S CLOTHING”
I THINK U NEVER RESPECT ABILITY HUMAN BEINGS & HARD FACTS !!!
!! U IMAGINE LIKE AN OSTRICH IMAGINE TO FLY?
TAKE AN EXAMPLE AND ANSWER ?
1. why a not a single jew was killed in 9/11 attack?any Answer? go, and find out the truth? go and please ask the american secret service about this IF THEY ARE VERY KIND & POLITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????/
2 . was it just mere incident ? any answer? why iraqi wepaons inspector david kelly was assassinated in london?, why bill cooper was assasinated in usa regarding 9/11 attacks ? ?//
i have the answer, because BIN laden never did the attack, it was planned by TWO NON MUSLIM NATIONS” ##### #### ” somewhere in asia !!!! david kelly new those dark players !!! thats why he was !!!!!!!!!! gone !!!!!!! finished !!
asliha u r like the ignorant ostrich bird that i mentioned earlier?
u may know the truth or corrupt or biased towards americans ? may be !!
media is not neutral ? is it ? have u ever heard about the alien (reptilian) attack in 1990 at johenisburg in south africa , those people who absorbed electricity from the town ? or ur media either hide those secrets?/ or playing ignorance !!!
why admiral bird , the US naval commander who led the MILITARY expeditions to polar regions was not allowed to speak truth or publish his notes in 1947 ? , go & find out ?, u will know something that u can never imagine !! ABOUT THE great GERMAN FUHRER !!
all the secrets will be revealed during judgement days!!
FIRST INVESTIGATE THESE MATTER BEFORE BASHING OTHERS , IF U REALLY CALL URSELF EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT !!!
Aisha chill out, that comment was only meant to be a joke, a sarcastic extension to what david vaughan is saying (btw I was watching robin williams stand up comedy while posting this)
You clearly have not read any of my previous comments
This forum has certainly drawn it’s share of uneducated dysfunctionals!
HITLER, a modern “ROBIN HOOD?”
My God the nonsense that this has attracted!
#944. wolsy even goes so far as to have us all believe his imbicilic nonsense about Hitler being a world savior and brought the world “Peace?”
We’re not even going any furth with this one!
Be well,
~ Aisha [Native American Embassy messenger]
…and the Jamaicans developed the ATOMIC BONG!
Hitler used the swastika for a variety of reasons!!!
and as a DEDICATION TO HIS MOTHER!!!!!!!!! He saw it as a representation of the intentions of the Nazi party in uniting Germany again. It would be similar to a maniacal dictator today using the symbol from the red cross as a crest to give a similar example. The symbol in itself was only looked upon negatively after the second world war, and before this it was an acceptable pattern to use
in a multitude of things.
Hitler adopted the swastika as the symbol for his Nazi party because it originally represented PEACE !!! CAN’T WE SEE PEACE AFTER WW2 !!
MAJORITY OF NATIONS GOT INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITISH RULE BECAUSE OF HITLER’S COUNTER ATTACK IN EUROPE AFRICA & THROUGH JAPAN IN ASIA !WHICH TACTICALLY ALLOWED THE RETREAT OF BRITISH TROOPS FROM ASIA ,AFRICA ,AUSTRALIA TOWARDS EUROPE WEAKENING THE OVERSEAS BRITISH TERRITORIES AND LOWERING BRITISH RESISTANCE AGAINST THEIR FREEDOM MOVEMENTS !!! ,
HITLER NEVER INVADED VATICAN, NEITHER HE INVADED ANY POOR COUNTRY !! HE PLAYED THE ROLE OF GERMAN ROBIN HOOD !! ROB THE RICH AND HELP THE POOR !!! HE FOUGHT A MANIAC VIOLENT WAR TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE SLEEPING KINGDOMS IN ASIA & AFRICA!!
MAJORITY OF THE NEWLY INDEPENDENT NATIONS FOCUSSED ON THEIR 5 YEAR PLANS AND AGRICULTURE AFTER WW2 . HENCE HITLER BROUGHT PEACE TO WORLD THROUGH WW2 !!!
He saw this as a message to the German people that his party was to end all the turmoil and unrest in Germany at the time. There was of course at the time a lot of upheaval and poverty in Germany still lingering as a byproduct of the loss of the WW1. The instability came then from the various political and workers parties tried to seize power from the
ineffectual government put in place in the wake of the WW1
i dont know why the swastika is now illegal to display in many western countries because of this association, and if you were to display the swastika anywhere people would immediately assume you had extreme right wing views??. It is illegal to have a
tattoo of a swastika for example, if you want to join the police force or the military as well !!!
The association of the swastika as a symbol of fascism alone is of course an unfairrepresentation of the symbol, which can be found in many locations globally dating back for hundreds of years!!!
SWASTIKA is also involved in the development of cars. “VOLKS WAGAN BEETLE ” was personally designed by hitler , particularly the beetle shape.
the volkswagan beetle model is very rare version and it is belived that it has some sort of link with the occult.
Adolf Hitler gave the order to Ferdinand Porsche to develop a “Volks-Wagen”. The name means “people’s car” in German, in which it is pronounced [?folksv??g?n]). Hitler required a basic vehicle capable of transporting two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph). The “People’s Car” would be available to citizens of the Third Reich through a savings scheme at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle (an average income being around 32RM a week).[5]
The car was designed to be as simple as possible mechanically, so that there was less to go wrong; the aircooled 985 cc 25 hp (19 kW) motors proved especially effective in actions of the German Afrika Korps in Africa’s desert heat. This was due to the built-in oil cooler and the superior performance of the flat-4 engine configuration. The innovative suspension design used compact torsion bars instead of coil or leaf springs. The Beetle is more or less airtight and will float on water; indeed, it is hard to slam the door on one since the difference in air pressure pushes it back before it shuts.
when the beetle car moved with highly motivated drivers, it is beleived to have created a magnetic flux like a rotating swastika and restored spooky links with the unkown past.!!
the nazis developed another form of swastika from the anti clock wise swastika known as the ” “RAINBOW SWASTIKA” .
Their was an occult theory amongst the nazis about the sun considering it a spiritual source of power.
the sun was considered a moving swastika from inside which carried 7 fragments of colour usually in a rainbow . hence sun was considered a rainbow swastika from which all the seven coloured races emerged on earth in seven different continents .
hitler was not dead. it was a media hoax & soveit propaganda !!. even the commander in chief of SOVEIT FORCES GEORGI ZHUKHOV, comander of the 1st & 2nd bylorussian & the don front marshall KNOSTANTINN ROKOSOVVSKY,
GENERAL TIMOSHEKO commander in chief of the soveit air army , the KGB & the elite russian smerch divisions confessed in front of JOSEPH STALIN that they were unable to find hitler dead or alive in berlin !!
hitler’s double was killed and his body was burnt immdiately to give the impressions of hitler’s death to bring down the morale of german public!!
stalin in rage , snatched the personal possesions of hitler like his paintings, his track suites , blazers,wardrobes,his writing pens etc.
after the fall of germany , hitler built a ” rainbow city ” somewhere (i am not disclosing) in southern hemisphere which comprised of prisoners of war (POW (non -jews ) , more than 2000 scientists from italy & germany , young teenagers , youths , women , and large amount of ss and german soldiers.this new reitch used to wear the rainbow swastika and were armed with beam lazers and flying saucers !!!
nazis was even helped by good aliens in rehabiltating this city.
After being attacked and bashed for saying that the symbol known as the SWASTIKA is BEAUTIFUL, I found this site. And I am very glad to have found it!
Ignorance must be bliss to the people who call for the ban of this symbol.
How about learning to look past what you were “conditioned” to beLIEve? The swastika has a rich and beautiful history and it’s a true shame that people can’t get that in their thick fucking skulls.
” PROJECT DWARKA ” HAS TO BE UNDERTAKEN UNDER WATER IN THE EASTERN ENDS OF ARABIAN SEA NEAR DIU AND DAMAN ISLANDS TO LOACATE THE “ORIGINAL SWASTIKA”
DWARKA IS THE EXACT ORIGIN OR THE “NAVAL OF THE SWASTIKA”. THIS IS THE EXACT PLACE WERE THE SWASTIKA APPEARED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WHEN LORD KRISHNA WAS HIT WITH AN ARROW ON HIS LEG HE DISAPPEARED TO HEAVEN IN A MYSTERIOUS MANNER AND A SWASTIKA WAS FOUND IN PLACE OF HIS DEAD BODY.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THIS CITY IS MADE OF GOLD AND IT SANK DURING “ERA OF GREAT FLOODS.” IN THE 2ND TRANSITION AGE REFERRED TO AS THE “LOST CITY OF ATLANTIS” IN OUR WESTERN HISTORICAL FACTS.
I AM NOT DISCLOSING, BUT THERE IS A PLACE ON EARTH SOME WHERE IN ASIA FROM WHERE A LADDER WITH AT LEAST 3 STEPS TO HEAVEN CAN BE SEEN !!!. THE REST OF THE LADDER IS UNSEEN AS WE R LIVING IN THE AGE OF DARKNESS!! I CAN SHOW U SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, DON’T RUSH TO CONCLUSION AS HOAX WITH OUT JUDGING IT PROPERLY!! THERE ARE CERTAIN INVISIBLE CREATURES WHICH WE CAN NOT SEE WITH OUR NAKED EYES IN HIMALAYAS , BUT WE CAN AT LEAST SEE THEIR SHADOWS USING INFRA RED CAMERAS!!
HITLER WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO INVISIBLE BEINGS KNOWN AS “GHANDARVAS” (HINDU WORD OR ANGELS ) AROUND HIM. EVEN IN THE FUHRER BUNKER HE WAS SEEN AS TALKING NEGOTIATING WITH INVISIBLE SPIRITS ” HOW TO ESCAPE ”
GERMANS DEVELOPED MOST OF THEIR ARMY & WEAPONS
V1,V2 ,UFOS,SUBS BASED ON HINDU WAR SCIENCE CALLED AS ” SHIVA DHANUR VIDYA” ( ART OF WAR TAUGHT BY LORD SHIVA)
GERMANS EVEN PLANNED A SOLAR GUN 5000 MILES ABOVE EARTH’S SURFACE.
GERMANS DEVELOPED” CELESTIAL HINDU WAR SCIENCE ENIGMA CODE” FOR SPECIAL EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TELEMETRY AND TRACKING OF ALIENS AND COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
THE SECRET THULE AND THE VIRIL SOCIETY STUDIED THESE ENIGMA TACTICS FROM INDIA.!!!
In response to 936. DAVID VAUGHAN:
I’ll have what he’s having.
well , your excellency , please look at a few facts which will show a great light on the hidden past of swastika and mr hitler, because he had been criticized every where for adopting this symbol, why he did that ?
the Jewish behavior had a lot to do with the Jewish holocaust . jews were bullying,thuging the ordinary german folks and taking over there business, lands and property and destroying the German culture.
Jews were very clever and in order to take over Germany completely they needed to deplete the racial quality of Germans .
Jews imported Negroes from Africa in large quantities to bastardize the white Germans on a massive scale which fueled anger in the Nazis .
this lead to the sterilization propaganda by Nazis!!
according to newton’s 3rd law of motion ” every action has its equal and opposite reaction”. is applicable for the steralization and ugenics.
Nazis adopted swastika from Tibet . although Tibetans are dark skinned , but Nazis loved them because Tibetans were very simple, kind and manly” good human behavior is what matters to all kinds of humanity on earth ” is what Hitler said.
do you know ” Hitler developed Germany and the Reich on the basis of hidden society of Tibet.
staffer was the missionary who was sent to tibet to study their culture . The present Dalia lama was a great friend of Hitler, Hitler was all praise for 7 year Dalai and his Tibetan culture.
scaffer watched Tibet thoroughly and reported ” there were a group of armed men on yaks and horses who were surrounding the Dalai lama for his missions and meetings. these were the personal body guards of the Dalai lama . scaffer was so much impressed with them that he reported this matter to Himmler for creating such a inner gestapo bodyguard for the German fuhrer which we come to know as the dreaded GERMAN CRACK FORCE
” SS”.
HITLER HAD SECRET PARANORMAL POWERS.
HITLER POSSESSED A SUPERNATURAL MANDRAKE ROOT WHICH PROPELLED HIM TO POWER IN 1933.
HINDUS CLAIM THAT THIS MANDRAKE WAS NOTHING BUT “LORD SHIVA” . AND HITLER (LORD PARASHURAMA ) IS A STUDENT OF LORD SHIVA.
NO BODY KNOWS WHY EUROPEAN HITLER IS ALL PRAISE FOR THE ” MIGHTY HIMALAYAS “. HE EVEN GIFTED THE KING OF NEPAL WITH A BEAUTIFUL TELESCOPE SO THAT HE CAN VIEW THE HIMALAYAS VERY CLOSELY. SUCH WAS HITLER!!!
HE WAS ABLE TO SEDUCE ANY MAN, ANY WOMEN AND THE ENTIRE GERMAN POPULOUS AT HIS WILL” HE WAS A GREAT BLACK MAGIC HYPNOTIZE R
FROM TIBET AND BRITISH INDIA HE BROUGHT SEVERAL HINDU PRIESTS AND BUDDHIST LAMAS TO GERMANY WHO TRAINED THE GERMAN MILITARY GENERALS OF THE ”
” ART OF ASTRAL PROJECTIONS”
THROUGH ASTRAL PROJECTION A PERSON CAN BE SEEN AS SLEEPING AT NIGHT, BUT STILL HIS SUB CONSCIOUS BRAIN WILL BE CALCULATING THE PLANNING OF THE ENEMY, THE THREAT POSED BY THE ENEMY, THE IMPLICATION OF THIS THREAT. THAT’S WHY “HITLER WAS ABLE TO ESCAPE “BECAUSE HE KNEW THE THREAT VERY EARLIER.
I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS. I KNOW WHICH COUNTRY IS KNOW AS ” THE GOG & MEGOG” MENTIONED IN BIBLE , AND HOW WW3 WILL COMMENCE AND ALSO ABOUT THE JUDGEMENT DAYS AFTER WW3. BUT GOD DOESNT WANT BE REVEAL THESE SECRETS RIGHT KNOW.
david vaughan said:
February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“….before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!…. ”
RESPONSE:
This, also, has aready been covered!
Would everyone please Pay Attention?
930. david vaughan said: February 6th, 2010 at 5:52 pm.:
“i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!”
RESPONSE:
There is nothing for us to understand. We already do.
It has already been reminded that “SWASTIKA” is HINDU! We & others have already reminded, that, All other versions are individual resemblances separate from the Hindu symbol, all of which have absolutely Nothing to do with the Hindu “Swastika!”
Can we move on?
david vaughan said:
“only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !! ”
RESPONSE:
This also has aready been covered!
It is unfortunate that the entire world has been brainwashed into believing and accepting that any resemblance to the Hindu Swastika is, in fact, a “Swastika!”
It is equally unfortunate that just as we American Indians (over 600 Nations) are stuck with names that are NOT OURS given to us by Caucasions from European ancestry, and that we are all, also, stuck with the Name “Swastika” for all symbols resembing and/or shaped similar to the Hindu symbol! This also is the corruption and bastardization so prevailent among the Caucasoid Races.
Again, can we plead Move On?
david vaughan said:
“a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.”
RESPONSE:
Let’s stay within the subject matter.
Certainly, a wolf wearing sheep’s atire does not make the wolf become a sheep! Obviously!
930. david vaughan said:
“no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.”
RESPONSE:
Again, this forum is not (so much) about “atrocities!” It is chiefly about the revival & recaimation of the Swastiks (and not wishing to play into your game of Semantics) all forms that have been perceived by others around the globe as “Swastika!”
We neither appologize for having to use the World-Accepted name of Swastika imposed upon the world by Caucasoids, than we should appologize for having to call ourselves “Cherokee, Delaware, Huron, Sioux or any of the other hundreds of the Caucasoid bastardizations and corruptions of our real names!
930. david vaughan said:
“i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.”
RELEVANCY?
930. david vaughan asked:
“thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!”
RESPONSE:
We suggest that you ask a Jewish person for any answers pertaing to Jewish issues and to ask any others, reative to any and all questions pertaining to issues that are not American Indian or World Indian.
The Minister, is NOT JEWISH! He, nor we are qualified to answer Jewish related questions.
As for anyone’s levels of poverty, this is not within the scope of “Recaiming” the swastika!
That is all!
~ Native American Embassy Council
Jeez…Chill out. The swastika is a beautiful symbol (before Hitler pranced around with it). All this bickering on this forum seems to go against what the swastika stands for. Take some deep breaths.
931. david vaughan asked:
“TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?”
February 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm.
REPLY:
This is far beyond the scope of what our Embassy, this web forum or the subject of reviving & reclaiming the swastika is about.
To answer your question, we suggest that you do a bit of your own homework.
~ Native American Embassy Team
man always argue with god!!.
people in western societies are so liberal and speak about freedom that they forgot the bible!!
men become devoid of his true commitment towards god !!, if gays, lesbians, homosexuals are legal , then war is certainly legal!!. the television media has played a negative role in spreading pornography, horror, war holocausts etc. etc
no administration takes any action to clean this mutilated human society of ours!!
if Jewish holocast victims are still alive, Hiroshima and veitnam victims r also alive, when we view it from our western pespective swastika is ours and we r true,
when Germans, Asians and Tibetans view it from there perspective, swastika is their’s and they r true.
sooner or later, these kind of arguments will result in more bitterness and hostility amongst nations paving way for the 3rd world war!!
we r behaving like an ostrich bird which cant fly when it sees a lion! it puts its head inside a borrow of a squirrel and gets the imagination under darkness that its safe and no body is near it, while the reality is that its entire body is vulnerable to an attack by the lion!!
always we should be practical in life!!, just imagining peace and saying a few words in favour of whites wll not serve the purpose,
for every mountain their is a valley !!after valley another mountain arises!! same is with happiness and sorrows, and same is with war and peace!!
after war, there is peace !!!, after the peace , there is war !! swastika takes both war and peace on its rotation !!
TELL ME THUNDER WOLF WHY RUSSIANS HAVE DEPLOYED SS-18 VOI VODE KING, TOPOL -M,SCALPELS & OTHER LAND BASED UPPER HEMISPHERE NUKE -ROCKET FORCES AGAINST USA!! FOR PEACE OR WAR !!FOR UPCOMING WAR!! SPEAK TRUTH PLEASE, WHY ?
i understand that this forum is about reclaiming the swastika. but thunder wolf should understand that swastika is the discus of lord vishnu, the hindu god!!
only a ” vishnu avatar” has the true right to claim the swastika!!. before adopting swastika you should know to whom it belongs to !!
a fox or rabbit never becomes the king of the jungle!! its the lion who is the king !! if a rabbit lives in a lion’s den , it will not be called a lion!!!.any body can adopt swastika, any nation any country!!
no body spoke about the atrocities that British rule committed in Asia and Africa? although i am British, still i see the crimes that were committed on the people in Asia, Africa and in china?
how many millions were looted , killed, abused during that rule!! all that ended with world war 2!! do u know, after ww2 united nations was born and many countries in asia & africa got freedom from British rule.
i know, British are very disciplined and good administrators. but the hegemony and the apartheid was carried along with that rule which is unacceptable by any nation, why George Washington fought the war !! why , he could have done that with negotiations with British, why he fought against the British ?/ why war ? because when your voice is not heard, you have to “cross swords with the enemy” to keep ur freedom intact.
thunderwolf dont feel sorry ? i ask u a personal question ? is there any single Jew in this world who is poor?, there are native Americans, British, Europeans, Africans, Asians who r poor, why ?
and they fight and do work to gain money , right!!
but Jew wants to put his leg crossed and expects other’s money to flow into his pocket. weather its Pepsi or oil from Iraq or selling American defense technology to china, the Jew is gaining money from everything world wide!!!
Those idiots who call themselves white supremacists and use the swastika as such are none other than brainwashed individuals who were spoonfed false information about the true meaning of the swastika. Those d*ckheads who are desecrating mosques, synagogues and muslim cementeries with swastikas (and also celtic crosses) are only doing a favor to those who want to ban the swastika.
Someone said earlier who needs symbols anyway? Well if you don’t believe in symbols then don’t use them, but don’t tell others who believe in them not to use them.
Sadly we live in a world where the only information we see about this sacred symbol is the one associated with the Nazis because its all about what sells and what drives the public ire. I have put pictures of different forms of swastikas on my facebook profile (hope I won’t get deleted) in order to carry out my message. I’m not stupid enough to believe that the holocaust was a hoax, the reason why people called it a hoax was because it helped create the state of Israel, and you already know the rest. Why don’t we let the 6 million innocent jews who died at the hands of misinformed idiots rest in peace and we can carry on with our lives, of course, remembering those victims. I do not believe they will judge us from trying to resurrect the swastika
For the love of all that is Humanly scared “Please” just let it go, the symbol’s origins are not with A.H. he stoled it because he felt it had magical powers, much the same as Christians did they cross despite the warning in the Bible not to have any engraven images . The origins of the swastika are Native American and if anyone has the right to display it they do its about pride alright if they choose to display it in that light they so be it, For you Christians you’d be more concerned about the Cross you display for if my son was shot with a 357 then all around the country people began to wear a 357 around there neck or in there ears i’d be beyond words pissed as your God ! My guess is your God is rather pissed, so clean your door steps 1st and leave the Native Americans to there owe Devises and Symbols and God’s for you have done more to destroy a people than Hitler could have ever , chew on that for a spell !
until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world
!!!!!!! CORRECTION !!!!!!!
The above is SUPPOSED TO BE:
UNTIL THE LAST HOLOCAUST VICTIMS & SURVIVORS “ARE NO LONGER ALIVE!” IN THIS WORLD!”
~ ThunderWolfe
VERY IMPORTANT!
It is most prudent, at least for a number of years, until the last Holocaust Victims & Survivors are still alive in this world, that great care be maintained to avoid using the Swastika version as has been designed or re-designed by the Nazi’s!
There are far too many resembling ones around the world that no one has to use the German/Nazi form. The pre-Nazi German form MAY BE PERMISSIBLE, but NOT That used by Nazi’s..
There IS a DIFFERENCE between that used by the German form & that used by Hitler and Nazi’s!
Anyone can even, also, creat a new version, one of your own! Be Creative! Be Colorful, etc.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
924. Masato said:
“…..Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol…..”
OUR RESPONSE:
We do not wish to constantly repeat the same message, over, and over, and over, ad infinitum, so lets look at just one item in this ongoing and non-stopable repetition:
As we and others have been reminding everyone, the Swastika is not evil, nor “BAD!”
The Swastika or one of the symbols resembling its, shape, etc, but NOT the HINDU “SWASTIKA” , being “a Symbol”, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand!
The issue has not been nor is it now, a sole matter of being a symbol or its evil, good or bad portrayal.
The issue is about a handfull of entities Coercing the entire world into beliefing and accepting that the symbol is bad or evil rather than those who have and still misuse it being bad and/or evil!
Certainly there are going to be those who only see through their own bind and hate-filled eyes and attitudes, who will give you and others some difficulty for using it.
What is most important in this quest to revive and restore the swastika-like symbols to their rightful places and positions, as well as usage in the world communities that has held it dear if not sacred!
Equally important, is, if you and others have the backbone to stand your ground and not throw in the towel, thereby submitting yet again to the cruel and heartless, and selfish dictates of these few Bullies!
IN OUR LIFETIME, This SACRED SYMBOL, WILL BE “RESPECTED” AGAIN, and, BY ALL!
Walk in love and beauty,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I recently Uploaded a Swastika as a profile picture for like Myspace, and crap.
People say non stop.. Change your picture you gay nazi..
Honestly.. Even if the Swastika was bad.. It’s a symbol.. Are you bleeding? No… It’s not hurting any one.. I can understand if someone who had bad exp with the symbol asked me to remove it(Nicely) then I would gladly do it.
All I get is You — hole, Gay nazi, —- you! They say the swastika is a racist symbol and isn’t used today only by nazis, kkk, and other groups..
Someone even said it lost it’s meaning in 1800’s..and I should even care of it’s old meaning because I am not a buddist I am american.. Even if it was for buddist or any other group.. I will gladly wear a swastika to try to help bring it’s old meaning back.
If you visit the Anti Defamation League website you will see clearly that under each “neo-nazi” symbol they make it very clear that non-racist neo-pagans use them as well and each symbol should be judged according to the context, NOT the symbol itself
sorry for my annoying posts
http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/manwoman/index.html
Scroll down and you will find a nice surprise…
I carry a Lauburu (basque swastika) around my neck because its a symbol that gives me a lot of strength and confidence (maybe it’s psychological but hey, whatever works).
Some retard claimed that the swastika is only an Aryan symbol, well guess what, the Basques are NOT Aryan NOR are they Indo-European , their origins are unknown and their language predates that of any indo-european language. Even the lauburu was found on ancient rock paintings. The reason why the swastika is banned is because post WW2 society wanted to adopt a “never again” policy, claiming that history repeats itself. Why is the swastika banned and not the Christian cross??? good question…
Banning the swastika would be like banning the Star of David, or the Menorah. I don’t think Jews would want that would they?
History repeats itself…well duh…as long as there are ignorant fools living in this world brainwashing people just for their own benefits.
I do have many Jewish friends who, despite what they feel about the symbol, do acknowedge and recognize that it has more than one meaning. Those few who still claim that it was a symbol of hate are just doing it out of pride, arrogance, ignorance, and perhaps fear…
Banning the Swastika is a part of the Jewish Holocaust religion that is at the moment holding the western world as a hostage.
It has become a copy of the medieval Inquisition putting none believers in jail and making the outcasts in the society.
This vicious tampering with our freedom of both thought and speech should be banned as it does not belong in our time.
915. Masato says:
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
And that PREGNANCY AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
915. Masato says:
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true?
NO! It IS NOT “bad!”
Other groups (I need mention no names, except Americans) have tricked the world into believing it is bad! Cooerced, is more the word!
The Symbol and all of its versions that most have come to call the HINDU “Swastika’ is a sacred symbol world-wide.
A list of a few:
American Boy Scouts
U.S. Military Buildings
Greece
Germany (Pre-Hitler & Pre-Nazi
Vikings
Kelts
American Indian’s
Egypt
Messopotamia
Mexico
Mayans
Aztecs
Peru
Russia
Even Afrika
The list goes on….
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe.
Post Scriptum!
A good point is:
There are STILL those who would have the entire world believing as Christians do, that SEX is DIRTY,
Or that PREGNANCE AND MENSTRUATION are DISEASES!
Attention ReclaimTheSwastika Administrator!
There are too many idiots within the past month, as you can see here. The uneducated imbicils have found a forum for their idiotic nonsense.
We have the tools for you to BAN the IPs of these moorons who contribut nothing to academics or this forum.
Let us know if you would like us to share our IP Ban script with you. Very easy to implement and instal within your server.
Respectfully,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I THINK HITLER HAD THE AIDS VIRUS HITLER WANTED TO SPREAD THE AIDS virus to all the jews THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO CREATE THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWASTIKA WAS USED TO SPREAD CANCER AND DEATH TO ALL JEWS HITLER USED EUGENICS TO CREATE AIDS HITLER WAS A CONSTIPATED man HITLER DIED FROM THE AIDS VIRUS THE SWATSTIKA IS USED TO CREAT AIDS THE SWATISKA IS USED TO CREAT HATE READING THIS MIGHT LOWER YOUR IQ TO ZERO
I am little confused on this..
I have a swastika which on here it says it’s bad.. Is this true? ? < This one means bad?
I seriously see nothing wrong with the Swastika.. Hitler used it yes.. that was bad..
Now when people see the Swastika on someones body they think Nazi or KKK.
I am american, but I think the symbol should be used how it was.
I will gladly get a Swastika tattooed on my body..
They can hate me or beat me up for it.
I will stick to what I think it means and hate the people who turned it into something to be feared.
Though I want to know if ? is really a bad one.. I read that both are good and mean good luck.
909. david vaughan said:
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese
RESPONSE: Yes, Germany had these, Hitler and the SS didn’t get around to the full extermination of them yet! However, Hitler and the SS did manage to have their Doctor Death’s STERILIZE many of the children of these people while the children were in school and without the knowlege or consent of their Black parents or any of the others.
Children of Mixed race were taken out of scholl by Hitler’s SS and Sterilized without parents knowlege or consent so as to render these children incapable of ever bearing offspring.
Now, this forum is NOT about the History or atrocieites of Hitler, the SS or the Nazi’s.
This forum is about RECLAIMing the SWASTIKA. Let’s keep within the subject of this forum!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
Neither Hitler or the Nazi’s “STOLE” the Swastika! Countries and Peoples around the world had a form that resembled the sign of the Hinu’s.
The fact is, that Germany had a form of their own, long before Hitler was born. Hitler merely had the German version re-designed!
found a zipper pull (?) in the desert that says “southwestern coat company —
shippers of the famous swastika coals.
list of :
Amarillo
Oklahoma City
Witchita
on the back
does anyone know any history on this or can find more than I can on the internet. Hope someone can help
HOW HIGH IS YOUR IQ
MAYBE HITLER WAS PRO LIFE OR MAYBE HITLER WAS PRO CHOICE HOW HIGH IS YOU STUPID IQ
hitler knew in early 1943 that he he had lost the war on all sides !! still he continued the war.
the land of israel has to be created at all costs, it is must !even at the cost of germany !!
he told to his fellow military generals again and again at several occasions.
” WE OUGHT TO BEAR ON OUR VISORS THAT PARTICULAR TASK THAT HEAVEN EXPECTS US TO FULFILL !!!” he was godly !! know doubt.
a murdrer or dictator never use the word ” GOD & HEAVEN”. HITLER IS SERIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE WESTERN COUNTIRIES because he waged war against them for a noble cause !!!
unlike dictators, hitler loved to paint , sing , dance , he loved children and he had peacefull relationship with missionaries of the vatican city. every german soldier has a belt written with words
” GOD IS ALWAYS WITH YOU ” !!
nazis were not racists. they had Negroes, muslims,buddhists,hindus,germans, finnish , slavs and even Chinese working in their army.
there hatred for jews was because of jewish behaviour of cheating and looting people.
the jews who migrated to america , europe and canada became capitalists and the jews in eastern europe and sovet russia became socialists!!
what a double game by the jews !!
thus it is the jew , who became a socialist tool for the war against capitalist “himself!! what a fine game !!
hitler knew the wickedness of these jews, further as per the god’s protocol in holly bible, jews will become spiritually alive only when they touch the soil of jerusalam. isarel is the holly land of jews the zionists !!
hitler only killed Jews to shock the Jewish community. Hitler allowed the Jews in large quantities to migrate to Israel from Germany after 1935. he repatriated Jews from conquered Ukraine, Finland, Denmark and Poland after he conquered those lands, towards Israel. he also used the spiritual symbol “yellow star of David ” to claim the title of ” lord king of Jews” in parallel with the divine ” swastika” because Jews do not believe in any god ! they believe that there god will come from king David’s dynasty.
Hitler is nothing but the divine “hunter” specified in holly bible who drove Jews from faraway lands, mountains, beaches and castles towards god’s own land “Jerusalem”
shock wave will really get a shock wave!! if he reads bible from the core of his spiritual heart !!
this topic is itself connected to the past of swastika as the responsible man who held swastika had great responsibilities towards the creation of Israel!!!
i would only say that swastika is a “great power”.
as per spider man’s quote ” with great power, comes great responsibilities”.
Wow, I really don’t understand any of what the people here are saying, but one thing I know is, During really ancient times, this sign was just fine. The Nazis stole it with their crimes, but now it is mine. SCREW THE NAZIS! I’m not attempting to minimize the abominations committed by them. If anything, I’m trying to show the extent to which these abominations were committed. Many are not aware of just how extensive these abominations are. They perverted the swastika. They perverted “Deutschland Über Alles.”
People are now afraid of these things, and being afraid of these things really doesn’t solve anything. The swastika didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did. “Deutschland Über Alles” didn’t destroy all of those lives—the Nazis did.
And now, the same way the Nazis killed many millions because they were looking for a simple answer, a nonexistent shortcut, for a better world, people now fear “Deutschland Über Alles” and fear and sometimes even ban the swastika, because they are looking for a shortcut to a world free of bigotry. Well, as far as I’m concerned, letting just a few decades of abominations erase thousands of years of beauty, IS bigotry.
if the world hate nazis so much then why some nazis were give top jobs in us instead of being sent to the electric chair?
operation “paper clip” mentions the president Truman’s policy to relocate top Techno-military bosses of the Nazis like MR WERNER VON BROWN, VICTOR SHOWEBERGER , ALBERT EINSTEIN & AUTTOHANN TO USA. why such a double cross if you really hate nazis and their reich?
werner von brown built saturn -5 based on nazi v2 rockets and propelled americans to moon.
americans captured nazi u-boat nemisis during ww2 with simple fission nuclear bombs inside. they engineered it at Manhattan to built the n- bomb.
showberger was working for hitler’s ufo force which built haunabu-1 and 2. so swastika brought a lot of technology to usa from nazi germany !!
heil german fuhrer!! hail 3rd reich!!
anonymous is moving away from the subject.
anonymous might have took birth from the branch of a tree ?
a mother spends 10 month to give birth to a child to see it alive. just imagine what would have happened if anonymous’s mother had aborted him. he might not be speaking like this??
was hitlers mother pro life or pro chioce
hitlers mother sould have had an abortion .was hitlers mother pro-choice.one abortion could have saved millions of jews
the swastika describes the ” time machine” . its not mere imagination of MR HG WELLS” ITS absolutly true.
if we consider swastika as clock of 60 minute cycle, then we can divide the four legs each of 15 minutes.
that means the four legs describe the four permanent ages through which the time passes.
these are
1. the satya yuga ( the ice age)
2. the treta yuga ( the age of sun)
3.the dwapara yuga ( the 2nd transition age)
4. the kaliyuga ( the age of chaos(darkness)
presently we r living in the kaliyuga (age of darkness).
after the age of chaos the ice age will begin on earth again and so the age of sun and like wise.
people do not understand why war & peace occur at regular intervals.
our solar system has nine planets and they move around the sun. by law of physics, if any object move around a device in a centripital pattern, it produces magnetic field.
when these nine planets with varried sizes move around the sun nine different types of magnetic fields are produced. these fields definitly influence all kinds of vegitations, plants, animals, humans, aleins,reptilians,zetans all of them .
when the huge planet saturn and the planet mars come near the earth the negative magnetic energies emitted from them on earth, leads to war , destruction and annihilation.
how man can stop it ? can he stop the rotation of saturn and mars ?
when venus , mercury and jupiter which are considered the good planets impart their energies,then love peace and prosperity is bestowed on earth.
so technically and from an astrological sciense point of view , its is not possible to stop the rotation of war. it will appear again and again for a noble cause and the noble born (aryan) will do it.after destrcution a new race of humans will emmerge like phenix rises from its ashes.
then u can imagine after a third world war with nuclear weapons put into use, the atmophere will be so devastated with radiation and dust that even sun light will not reach earth properly and the ice caps will melt and cool again resulting in the begining of the ice age. in ice age the creatures like dynasours,reptilians and huge mamoth will appear and life will go on like this, its evolution and recreation under the swastika!!
THE ANGEBOREN CROSS
The Angeboren cross is a religious symbol representing the inborn or inbreed, it has four equal length arms that are right angled to form a square. Many people see this symbol representing the difference between God and man.
if u expect me to write sugar coated words in favour of americans only ,then what shall i say ?
then i can say, the americans must be presented with nobal peace price for what they did in veitnam, iraq and somalia? is it ok now !!!
you want to reclaim a symbol that belongs to asian religions of hindus, buddhists, jains and tibetians.
but you dont want to understand their religious nature? amazing great ! what a claim!!!!.
i am quiting from ur web site and will never write again anything. i urge people only to pay attention to american thinkings only because they never write any mistakes and they never lie to people”
still i say ” may god bless u in ur divine mission, if its true!!
if u call me irrational and of twisted sense, then where is the freedom to express thoughts.
u should allow critics to write here also. there are always people of two types, those who speak for u and those who speak against u. both should be treated equally. no body can stop the sun from rising on the horizon. the truth will come out one day .
i am very sorry if any body felt hurty about this. but before coming to conclustions one should analyse and atleast pay a look at the facts.
its god who created man, man didnt created god. so before nullifying facts as myths one should pay attention to it.
The Extremes of the IRRATIONAL:
CONCERNING: 898. akn swastika 108
This party is so far off-base and so extremely distorted in his twisted sense of historical facts and research, that we wont even touch it.
We advise anyone and everyone to PAY NO ATTENTION to the ramplings of this writer.
This and other supportive websites and non-web entities are about truth, not the Scizophrenic ramblings and nonsensible myths as submitted by #898 above.
Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
why did hitler did’nt invade vatican city. because he was a sage and had his likes and sympathy for church and priest and volenteers of god.
hitler was a typical vegeterian which proves him as a hindu brahman.( equvalent to christian church father)
he didnt lived in berlin chancellory, instead he lived at eagle’s nest bergehoffe, on the outskirts of bavarian montains. know we know that hindu sages do not live in palace, they live on the outskirts of montains , hence hitler lived on hill tops.
his hatred for jews grew when he learned from bible that jews brutually crucified jesus!!!. hitler was a good painter , he painted mother marry with little jesus in her arms. jews dislike this image!!! why ?///////
hitler twisted swastika to 45 degrees because our world is approching the junction of golden age !!!
swastika is the symbol of hindus also. it means purity, good luck, and clockwise rotation of the world,life, emotions, marriage ,death and rebirth.
a person who uses it is too extra ordinary.
lord buddha used swastika because he is considered the 9th incarnation of lord vishnu.
he re claimed it from lord krishna th 8th incarnation of vishnu.
hitler reclaimed swastika from lord buddha.
who is considered as 6th incarnation of lord vishnu”
hitler also used an “axe swastika”. hence he is the incarnation of immortal lord parashurama , “the rama with axe” who is a priest and hates royal dynasties and kingdoms and wants their downfall.
this the biggest secret of occult which even the germans do not know about. for knowing hitler they have to study hindus and their vedic books for reference.
parashurama will appear 21 times on earth and destroy the royal shartiyas with rage and savegness.
he appeared in 13th century as mongol warrior ghengis khan and conquered the world on horse back and built the largest contiguos empire on earth.
know, lord kalki , the 10th incarnation of vishnu who will belong to india (bharata) will reclaim the swastika from hitler and ignite the third world war!!!!!!!
You people will ban a symbol used many thousands years before and very much holy to Great religions like Hinduism and Buddhism etc,simply this is misused by somebody else!
Is it?
Even Harappan excavated seals which belonged to 3300BC have Swastikas.
Those who try or argue to ban Swastika are real racists,they simply justify those opinions of Hitler about selective conspiracy against all noble ancient culture and religion!
This is truth!
NOTE:
We, the Native American Embassy, et al, are NOT reclaiming the Swastica FROM anyone.
We are RECLAIMing the SWASTIKA “FOR” and IN-BEHALF Of the ENTIRE WORLD….EVERYONE!
Everyone except Neo-Nazi’s and other Hate Groups and Hate entities!
~ ThunderWolfe
892. anne said:
so who are you reclaiming the swastika from?
The over 6 million jews, 5 million Polish non jews, and countless other minorities?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am.
ANSWER:
For us, the Native American Embassy, Native American Holocaust (Council) Museum, the Lenni Lenape Phoenix, and American Indian Church, ALL OF THE ABOVE, and THE ENTIRE WORLD; EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO HAVE THIS SYMBOL AS PART OF THEIR ANCIENT & NOT-SO-ANCIENT TRADITIONS & CULTURES!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum:
I would anticipate that the Authors of this “Reclaim The Swastika” domain share our sentiments as we do theirs!
It was one man who seemed to permanently corrupt a symbol which meant good things for so many centuries. I’m doing a “controversial series of paintings” and my main subject is the swastika and how it was used thoughout history before Adolf Hitler.
Why is it I’m being harrassed by the locals here for supporting the use of this symbol? Why is it still so controversial? I mean really, my generation, the teenagers and young adults, have become so comfortable with everything else.
My series of paintings WILL be displayed on my various web pages once I finish them. I agree with Lone Wolf back there. Why allow this symbol to be so unacceptable? I so go for it and use it as it was used before WWII, before the Nazis.
(Draven Vynocht)
so who are you reclaiming the swastika from?
The over 6 million jews, 5 million Polish non jews, and countless other minorities?
887. Anonymous asked:
“Can anyone verify why the nazis later tilted the swastika on a 45 degree angle?”
RESPONSE:
DAMNED GOOD QUESTION!
“it was tilted to form an S for socialism”
RESPONSE:
Not so sure about this!
We are anxious to hear the answers given for this one! Unfortunately, we do not have the time for our research here.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
880. Lone Wolf said:
“…..a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
….Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. … to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.”
RESPONSE: To us, BLACK, represents the West, where the Sun Dies and the Thunder Comes, when even we sleep as the light is dimmed. RED, not hate or anger, but, represents LIFE, WARMth, the color of the HEAT that arives from the South where life comes back from. It is the color of our very blood, which makes every Woman her most powerful medicine during her Moon-Time. WHITE, the color of the NORTH, where the Purifying snows come from, and the Eagle, our protector, and Messenger to Grandfather.
“This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – – yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.”
RESPONSE: The Swastika, is Balanced, equal on all sides, from within and without. There is also a Balance between Evil and Good. But, this, I shall leave for someone else’s wisdom.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
RESPONSE: It was neither Hitler, nor the Nazi’s who turned this symbol into an evil one., neither by ‘association!’ It was merely used (The German Form) as the Nazi’s Loga, Emblem, Charm, etc.
It was later, and by others, that the world body was cooerced or misled into believing and treating the Swastika and all shapes and forms of it as “Evil!”
However, the Swastika, NEVER became, nor was ever evil. And, as with any and all symbols, will never become evil!
“….I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.”
RESPONSE:
We need no trinkets to know that any evil individual is dead, or at least the body, thereof. And, NO ONE can “Own” another, anymore than we can “Own” the land from which we come.
Unfortunately, Hitler, nor the Nazis “Bred” any negativity or hatred. These entities only planted the seeds that brought is to the surface of many others who already had these imbalances within themselves. One cannot Breed Hatred. This is a Learned Behavior. The raw ingredients are already present in all those who come to releasing that hatred. Only the Balanced Heart keeps it all in check.
“I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.”
RESPONSE: Your painting never died! Perhaps, you, yourself, let it so. Even if the painting has burned to ash in a fire, the painting should have always been alive within your own mind and heart. My question would be, Why did you let it die?
We share your sentiments with regard to the Reclaim the Swastika website.
However, it is very important not just to “Remember” but, just as the Site’s Title implies, to “Reclaim” and USE OUR SYMBOL as we once did and should never have stopped because of a handful of civil, social, nationalistic & intellectual bullies who dictated that we trash our own traditions, because they have, in fact, developed their own degrees of new Hatred(s).
“Be SAFE, Be WELL – – PEACE To ALL. . .
-Lone Wolf”
Walk in love beauty, balance and harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
I agree that it is wrong that the Nazis be allowed to own this symbol. Their defeat should be made complete, instead of an eternal persistence their ghost by allowing its ownership of this symbol.
“Can anyone verify why the nazis later tilted the swastika on a 45 degree angle?”
it was tilted to form an S for socialism
Not to mention Federal Law Enforcement, if not your own State!
883. Marshall Lentini:
If you are the character out of Florida, DON’T PUSH YOUR LUCK!
We haven’t the slightest notion what you are rambling about. Perhaps you are in the wrong sandbox!
We suggest that you locate one more suited to your age and temperments.
Call us again, and you will learn just how powerful and quick the FCC can be!
THAT IS ALL!
NAE SECURITY
883. Marshall Lentini:
If you are the character out of Florida, DON’T PUSH YOUR LUCK!
We haven’t the slightest notion what you are rambling about. Perhaps you are in the wrong sandbox!
We suggest that you locate one more suited to your age and temperments.
See how it goes? Jew whirls in to verbally dominate the field of discourse. This officious Jew, by the way, has called me to threaten me with his “package” which, says him, he’s “forwarding” to the FCC, as though the FCC is an on-call police force for perpetually “offended” types like this.
Hey Jew, why hide behind the name “Native American”? why not yiddle for your own mythical martyrs?
RE: 881. Brian Smith said:
“…Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol….”
RESPONSE: Hitler never OWNED the Swastika. The German form, belonged to all Germans, and the German form did not belong to Hitler either: Hitler was an Austrian Jew. Austrians and Jews have their own symbols.
“…you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.”
RESPONSE: We (the Native American Embassy & Holocaust Council see nothing wrong with ReclaimTheSwastika.com’s Heading. Nor do we see any “Military” resemblance or anything Military whatsoever.
The Reclaim The Swastika website’s pages and Heading is fine just the way it is!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Keep up the good work. Ridiculous that we grant Hitler the victory of owning this ancient symbol. However, you might think about changing the header on your website. The font has military connotations, and it seems like your goal is to distance the swastika from such associations.
I, as a child, was somehow drawn to the geometric shape & “flow” of the Swastika symbol. It is a root to a painting that I made in my late teen’s, painted in 3 colors: Red, Black & White. . .
The Red & Black were from my perspective – - equal in their portrayal, Black = darkness, forboding & provoking thoughts of melancholy, the Red = dominance, anger, hatred & evil. The white, I intentionally portrayed as MUCH LESS in the picture. Reason being, as a troubled Lad, to me it was the failing image of the good of mankind. I believe is becoming so much harder to find because of our Human Condition that could potentially destroy not only ourselves, but also ANY realm in which we live.
This picture that I made, resembles the Swastika in the fact that it is very directional, flowing from inside out. Almost as if the Darkness & Hatred almost seemingly over-shadow the Light – - yet the good of mankind still hangs on, not to become extinct.
I was always heart-broken to know that the Nazi’s had turned this symbol that I was intrested in, into something associated with such hatred of other Cultures & Belief Systems.
Now that I’m 40 & an avid coin-collector – - I purchased a coin from W.W.-2 Germany, Swasitka & ALL. I wanted to OWN a piece of Hitler, as a show that YOU SIR are dead, your spirit beaten & all the negativity you once bred is now dead. It, to me, is owning HIM, my feeling as a bit of revenge for all that he has done to everyone around him.
I thank THIS SITE for helping ME to bring my Painting back to life & attempting to change the Swastika back to what it once stood for. And so as NOT to be remembered as a symbol of evil, but as a symbol of any people that overcome evil.
Be SAFE, Be WELL – - PEACE To ALL. . .
-Lone Wolf
875. Casey said:
RE: 869. friedcod
All I have to say is you’re going to have ALOT of explaining to do if you want to wear that thing around.
Why else would you wear that around unless you believe in the principles?
Bizzare.
RESPONSE:
No explainations neccessary, only teaching what many are unaware!
Unable to address, “that thing” because it is unbeknownst what “that thing” is that you alude to.
Not so sure about the wearing it. That would depend on the culture! Personally, I would find it rather difficult, if not outright HEAVY, wearing a vase around, presuming that you could be aluding to the American Indian versions on Ancient and possibly not-so-ancient potery.
Bizzare? Very good description of the worl we live! Or, the people within, actually! Bizzare, is an understatement!
Morally & Spiritually Bankrupt, to say the least!
~ ThunderWolfe
Sorry about the repeat. I Thought I STOP’d it before it got out! Apparently, I was not quick enough.
~ ThunderWolfe
874. Premasagar said:
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
874. Premasagar said:
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
RESPONSE: MOSTLY CORRECT!
I was not aware that my statements could be misread or misinterpreted as representing Reclaim The Swastka! Most sorry if we inadvertently caused that impression.
It was my aspiration to cause the complete revival of the Sawastika, in whatever shape or form and by whomever has held this symbol in high to sacred esteme for thousands of years, before I am sent home by the Creator (pass on to the next world)!
I should not have been, but was surprised to find your website advocating this already, although I should not have been since most everything I think or think of, either has already been thought of, someone is thinking about it, or someone is about to.
We all, here at the Embassy, are happy (thrilled) that you have taken this long overdue task! WE THANK YOU!
You have our complete support, as we know that we have yours. And, apparently, we are not alone! We have had very many responses, most very favorable, one discenter, and one “nut!” This is good!
Sorry if we were seen by any as being you! We presumed that using our NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY Signature, that the worl public woul know that we are two separate entities.
Now, as for, “….he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.”
This one is not quite accurate. Yes, we are “giving points” as you say, but not that which we believe others might hold, or to those who “care” about the swastika. We do so to educate, especialy those who have been misled. I suppose that this would, rather, be a re-education.
There are many, who could care less about the Swastika. We hope to reach them, as well, and also gain their support, as well as their direct assistance.
Those who Hate the symbol. We hope to chang the opinions and attitudes of as many as we can, and quite justifiably, as you already know!
Regarding an older post of yours, you appologized for not being able to respond too often to your posters. Not to worry! We have your interests well at heart, because we share the same. We have you covered.
We invite you to correct us anytime you feel we have erred, or for whatever other reason there may be.
Walk in love, beauty, balance & harmony,
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
RE: 869. friedcod
All I have to say is you’re going to have ALOT of explaining to do if you want to wear that thing around.
Why else would you wear that around unless you believe in the principles?
Bizzare.
Just to make clear (since someone asked), when ThunderWolfe says “we”, he is not referring to the people who built ReclaimTheSwastika.com. Rather, he is giving points that he believes would be held by people who care about the swastika.
(ThunderWolfe, please correct me if I’m wrong)
ERROR:
Symbols are not ever, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
CORRECTED:
Symbols are not EVIL, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
868. Casey said:
“…..OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there. …..”
ANSWER: ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Note: We neither condone, support, nor advocate the trashing of any culture’s symbols, crusifix or otherwise. We were merely making an appropriate point.
Symbols are not ever, nor can they be, nor will ever be.
People are evil, not the symbols they use in the course thereof.
Be well,
~ ThunderWolfe
I think this is the time to reclaim the true meaning of the swastika. Many people right now associate the swastika with the Nazis. One day I showed my mom a swastika I made from Popsicle sticks. I told her that I made it for good luck and I also told her not to always associate this symbol with evil. It is an innocent symbol that became guilty because of misuse by racists and by those who are hungry for power. I even read the article of the bag with swastikas. The English lady who bought it was unaware of the presence of the swastikas until someone told her of them. She became angry and complained about the bag. I noticed (based on the pictures) that the bag was of Indian design, and normally swastikas appear because they are part of the Indian culture. I then concluded that she has no knowledge of the origins and the true meaning of the symbol despite the fact that she likes Indian-designed bags. She immediately associated it with the evil of Nazism. To this lady, I will say it to you right now what I told my mother days ago: DO NOT ALWAYS ASSOCIATE THE SWASTIKA WITH THE NAZIS!
To the moderator of this website: You are right in telling us to reclaim this symbol. We all know that the swastika is associated with evil, but you had the courage to present the swastika in a positive light. For that I congratulate you! I am with you in this!
btw its this medal
http://www.angelfire.com/nj/ww2/germancross.html
“War Order of the German Cross”
hmm, ive been thinking; i have this german medal that my grandpa took from a guy he killed, its a very ornate one.
im thinking of wearing it.
because, of the good luck and such.
and because its sorta like a trophy, to say my blood has helped conquer them, and its like wearing a necklace of your enemy’s teeth for example.
its a medal some nazi held dear, and now an american wears it for the good luck charm.
also, you could say its my best jewelry, the medal is worth about $3000
lol im worried id have to explain it to everyone though… or be labeled a neonazi.
but for real.. my logic makes so much sense!
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?”
ME: I don’t want anything “outlawed”. I am not into censorship. I’m a firm supporter of the First Amendment.
OR, are you trying to imply the extermination of our sacred Native Americans was done under some Christian flag or are you speaking of the inquisition and the crusades (which were committed 700-1000 years ago). And lest we forget the insane holy wars between the Christians and the Catholics. I’m lost there.
THUNDERWOLFE: “Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?”
ME: Obviously, I think all genocide is wrong, and I think it’s unfair to compare the intentional wiping out of ones ethnicity with someone else’s. It hurts whether it was 10 million or 10.
BTW, My mom was Jewish and my dad was Catholic and I am an atheist. Go figure.
No comment to my second post I wrote?
PAX
RE: 864. Casey said:
Find a new symbol. It’s too damn soon.
RESPONSE: Does this mean that it is “Too Soon” for outlawing as an EVIL symbol, the Christian Cross (Crucifix) that was used during the extermination of tens of millions?
Does it mean that after it reaches the right time (whenever that may be) the Christian Crucifix will eventually be known and treated as Evil rather than those Evil Parties that utilized it during their mass murders?
~ ThunderWolfe
I agree with Casey. In the Wiccan religion it is a symbol of protection and power, that is EXACTLY why Hitler used it. He was into eclectic spiritualism. I think it is way passed time to “wash it clean” of the old memories and try to get the negative energy away from it.
Oh, I just wanted to add I know this is a sacred symbol to some (at least here in the States). In the East, it was never taken away. It’s still actively used. I think that’s great.
I say this because I am a teacher and I used to have a Tibetan flag up in my room. Do you know how many horrified parents I had coming to me? They don’t care or seem to understand it is a sacred symbol, and I got sick of teaching them. I even had my principal in to see what the ruckus was about. Thank goodness he understood but asked me to remove it anyway.
Now, it was one symbol among many on the flag. How the little buggers could even see them is beyond me, but it’s just not worth it here.
People still have a real sore taste in their mouth when it comes to this. If you’re seen with one, the rumor mill goes crazy (whether you deserve it or not).
They all think we’re Nazi’s which is really funny since I’m Jewish and I had a whole section of my family wiped out from a-holes wearing that horrible flag. My great-grandma was in Dachau and she still had that damn tattoo on her arm til the day she died.
I would rather come up with some other symbol that doesn’t offend anyone (rightfully or not). It is a little soon. I mean my grandpa was in WWII. It wasn’t that long ago in the scheme of things.
Pax!
Find a new symbol. It’s too damn soon.
RE: 862. paschkebb said:
i am a nazi
RESPONSE:
So? WHAT’s YOUR POINT?
i am a nazi
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY
SACRED SYMBOLS RECLAMATION COUNCIL
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RE:
860. Snoop2010
WELL SAID SNOOP!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Von Noaker)
To say that a symbol, of any kind is the reason for a war I believe is wrong. I am a Christian person and I feel deeply saddened by what happened in Nazi Germany during the war but to ban a symbol that existed well before it’s misuse in Nazi Germany I believe is also sad. I run a Christian motorcycle group in my church and I have skulls custom painted on my motorcycle. The skull is considered by many to be a sign of evil. Does this make me evil? I don’t think so. The Christian crusaders had the symbol of the cross on their shields and garments and killed tens of thousands of innocent people. Should the cross too be banned from use? The crusades were founded on this same blind adherence to pre-conceived notions and rules. Religious zealots wanted the Christian public to blindly follow what they said was right and true with no questions asked. When good people asked reasonable questions that conflicted with what the religious leaders believed they were branded as blasphemers and burned a the stake. I believe it would be a real shame to take that many steps backwards again. Good is stronger than any symbol and I believe it’s a mistake to think that the symbol is the thing itself. For instance, a symbol of a cross is not God any more than the swastika is evil or bad. It’s simply a symbol. It cannot hate or hurt, harm or mask the truth. Only PEOPLE can do that.
This message is for the modern Ulysses , M. Anonymous: ” Are you ok man??? “
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Does it make sense to say the Civil War was fought because of the Rebel Flag?
To blame a symbol for good luck for starting a war is too ignorant to be considered rational thought.
849. Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous & 850. Also Masquerading & Hiding as Anonymous Anonymous would be best to READ whatever he wishes to ramble on about. This coward has missed the message and facts, completely.
“….“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial….”
We suggest that this unacademic individual re-read, and then Pay Attention! There has been no denial with regard to the Swastika having been made “a Part” of the Germanic Nazi Holocaust!
We would also suggest that the individual find a sandbox to play in. This is not a proper forum for such a childish and uneducated child to be roaming around in.
~ Sangoma
RE:
849. Anonymous & 850. Anonymous Masquerading Coward:
RECLIAM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECIAM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL RECLAIM THE SWATISKA RECLAIM THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL?…..”….Extremely repetitive
&
“people who deny that the swatiska as part as hitlers war would be classified as holocaust denial HOLOCAUST DENIAL HOLOCAUST DENIAL….”….EXTREMELY non-academically repetitive.
RESPONSE:
Every Forum, unfortunately, attracts the world’s uneducated garbage dumpers who have little if anything to say, and nothing better to do with it. This is a prime example.
That anyone could even imagine any denial of History, least of all, the world’s Holocausts, is not only moronic, but void of any and all reality, least of all any real life.
This one attempts to compare the Revival of the Worldwide Sacred Swastika to “Holocaust!”
We can only pray for this lost spirit, that he eventually finds, not only reality and the real world, but himself (or herself) as well!
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
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CONCERNING:
847. NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: WE SAID:
RE:
845. Anonymous says:
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war
OUR RESPONSE:
ONLY FOR FEWER THAN 50 YEARS OUT OF OVER 5,000 YEARS OF IT’S SACRED USE!
Remember, Neither Germany, Hitler or his Natzis used the Swastika “for purpose of war!” Neither was the Swastika “used” “to start a war!”
HATRED motivated the war, along with whatever psychological and emotionologigal dysfunctions Hitler suffered in his childhood.
The SWASTIKA was never used “as a SYMBOL of WAR!” It was used as the Symbol of the Nazi Party in Germany.
It would be greatly appreciated by all, if you and others could find it within yourselvee(s) to stay within the boundries of FACTS and not fiction here.
This is a very important subject and equally important forum. Please don’t abuse it. Such abuses and mis-informations serve no rational scientific, sociological, academic or historical purpose.
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
RE:
845. Anonymous says:
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war
OUR RESPONSE:
ONLY FOR FEWER THAN 50 YEARS OUT OF OVER 5,000 YEARS OF IT’S SACRED USE!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
RE:843. Anonymous says:
THE SWATISKA CAN BE USED FOR EVIL THE SWATISKA CAN ALSO BE USED FOR GOOD the SWATISKA should be used for peace!!!!
RESPONSE:
This is SO TRUE!
When the Hopi came up out of now Mexico, they moved in 4 (Swastika Shaped) directions.
A very interesting note: The Hopi’s true Name, Hopituh Shi-nu-muof means (roughly) “PEOPLE Of PEACE!” or “PEACEFUL PEOPLE!”
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
the swatiska was used for the purpose of war the swatiska is a symbol of war the germany used the swatiska to start a war HAPPY CHRISTMAS
Its a beautiful symbol.
It was misused for only a single generation.
THE SWATISKA CAN BE USED FOR EVIL THE SWATISKA CAN ALSO BE USED FOR GOOD the SWATISKA should be used for peace!!!!
I did a lot of research about the swastika symbol and found it was used as a religous symbol same as the cross many centuries before Hitler decided to add it to his madness. It is a “symbol” used by many religions. How can a “design” get to be banned? Just because a group of people used it how can you take a figure/design and ban it? It shows up in celtic art, repeated design borders and everything. Would we ban a “swirl” if someone decised to give some terrible meaning to swirls? What about a clover leaf? Do we care who uses other symbols? Yes, I know the history that got it to where we are today, but isn’t banning it a continuation of the hate…oh, yes, now let us hate the swastika.
I recently had a repeating swastica design tattooed on my leg. As a repeating pattern, it is in a lot of art. The pattern for the tattoo was taken from Budist art. I am in no way making any statement by my tattoo other than I like the art. I prefer to think of it as the original religious symbols – eternity, well being, good luck. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Hey you should open http://www.naziat.org/hitler.htm website to know why Hitler used swastika wrong way..
up the germans
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ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
RE:
839. Sam Garza says:
Where can I get some swaztika arm bands.
I am trying to use them for fun only like Halloween.
My friends all say I look like Adolf Hitler when I sport a mustache.
RESPONSE:
This is not the forum for that sort of thing!
This forum is for the REVIVAL of the SWASTIKA and all it’s WORLD-WIDE FORMS!
Our advice, is: DO NOT PLAY WITH THE SWASTIKA! IT IS SACRED, WHEREVER IN THE WORLD IT IS USED!
ESPECIALLY, DO NOT PLAY WITH THE GERMANIC FORM USED BY THE NAZI’S!
THERE ARE STILL MANY HARD FEELINGS REGARDING THAT USED BY HITLER & His NAZIS! &, There are STILL VICTIMS & SURVIVORS & THEIR DECENDANTS STILL ALIVE!
BE VERY PRUDENT, WISE & CAREFULL ABOUT THIS!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
This goes out to chris, a couple posts above me. The Nazi did not use the symbol that symbolized life they used the swastica that spins to the left. It’s the opposite. Just like the Christian cross. It symbolizes a bunch of good things, but flip it upside down and what do you have. It’s the same thing with the swastica. Spins right=harmony. Spins left=chaos.
Simple
RE:
836. Anonymous says:
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm.
RESPONSE:
It would have been great if this writer would have included the details on whom, or which Nation, Group, etc., has this Tradition on the right-facing, v left-faving Swastika, relative to Balance v Non-Balance!
Not all Cultures around the world subscribe to this belief.
Another good point, is that direction is “Relative!”
To someone living South of the Equator, which is East or West, or, even North / South. Equaly, anyone outside of our world, looking down (or up).
Approximately 13 Thousand Years Ago, our present North Pole was not! South, was North, and North was South.
We are agin, very close to this Pole Shift, where our world’s North, will again be our South!
And, yess! The appearance of the 7’s could be interpreted that way. Just as our present 4th world is about to draw to a close, when we move into the 5th, the number “7″ contains 3 numbers on either side, just as when we enter the oncoming 5th world, there will be 4 numbers on either side, the total being 9 (the 9th & final world) where all will have achieven that universal Balance!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
If it spins to the right it is positive. 7 is a universal number associated with balance and or harmony. If you observe the swastica spinning to the right, you will notice that the extending arms form a 7 in all directions. According to the bible the world was created in seven days. According to science 7 is the center of the ph scale. A perfect balance between acids and bases. However when the swastica spins left it symbolizes lack of harmony or balance, in other words chaos. If it spins right it’s ok if it spins left it’s not on accord with universal. Law and my be considered bad negative or evil.
Hi all,
Thank you for all your continued comments on the swastika. It’s great to see an active discussion still in swing, now over 4 years after I originally created the website, with a couple of friends and colleagues.
I haven’t been very active in responding to your comments, but I do keep tabs on the responses here. Is it enough? Is there anything more that you would like to see happen with this website, into the future?
Best wishes,
Prem
http://reclaimtheswastika.com
FIRST OF ALL THE SWATISKA WAS USED IN THE holocaust and the swatiska is associated with eugenics and hitler so how about researching the facts of history . the swatiska is referenced in our hisory because it represented eugenics hitler and the holocaust . i love to read history books and i also do alot of research for this subject
RE: 830. Anonymous says:
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS becuase the human race was not created by eugenics
RESPONSE:
Firstly, no one, that we can recall, ever equated the Swastika with Eugenics, nor have we or anyone that comes to mind suggested that any Swastika represented (which it never has) Eugenics!
Our Supreme Being created all life, including humans. He NEVER declared how any species (including humans) were to survive and adapt to changing environments (Evolution)!
This website and Project is about Reviving a very great and Sacred World Symbol, the Swastiks.
Please stick within the Subject matter!
~ Mellisha Bartlo [NAE Medicine Council]
RE: #’s 829, 830 & 831. Anonymous:
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS
RESPONSE:
WHY IN TARNATION ARE WE DISCUSSING “EUGENICS?”
And,
WHAT IN HEAVEN’S NAME DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SWASTIKA????
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS
THE SWATISKA SHOULD NOT REPRESENT EUGENICS becuase the human race was not created by eugenics
EUGENICS IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE HUMAN RACE
RE: 827. bree says:
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
Minister ThunderWiolfe
RESPONSE:
Certainly, & Possibly!
No one ever got the opportunity to give Adolf Hitler a Scientific Psychiatric Evaluation!
However, the facts remain, whereby such evaluations may be presumed:
Adolf was born to a Jewish Mother and (we believe) an Austrian father of unknown true ethnic background or ancestry. Being born to a Jewish Mother (& not a Jewish father), by Jewish Law, Adolf Hitler was, in fact, Jewish!
We cannot, nor will we, speculate on what caused Adolf’s Pyschiatric and Emotionological Dysfunctions, however, we can and do anticipate his having been picked on as a child by his classmates and other children in the community.
We, nor anyone except those immediate members of Hitler’s family knows what actually happened within his home. Perhaps, even Adolf had the misfortune of being subjected to a bit of abuse by members of his own family, immediate or otherwise. This, of course, will always be open to much speculation and debate.
Adolf, may well have actually believed that he was doing nothing wrong but doing what he believed in his own dysfunctional mind what was best for Germany and Germans. After all, most psychotics of recorded history believed what they were doing was right, and even sanctioned and/or ordered by “God!” Adolf Hitler may not have been any different in this respect.
Had Adolf consulted his own Scientists, especially Doctor Mendal, he would have been advised that it is near impossible, if not fully impossible to achieve the “Perfect Race!” At least, not in the way Adolf proposed and acted upon! No! Adolf would have learned about the strengthening effects of what is known as “Hybrid Vigor.” All races (Human, Plant, Animal, fowl, reptile, insect, etc.) have been shown to produce better offspring through crossing or mixing of genes (pollination, mitiosis, etc.) and that close links resulting from male/female unions bring out harmful and fatal unions of recesive genes deprimental to that human or organism’s survival! It has been scientifically proven, even before Hitler’s rise to power, that mixing the gene pool creats hybrid vigor (Strengthens) the offspring or byproduct of mixed genetic unions.
As for Adolf Hitler’s “…using the symbol represents pure evil,” again, it must be emphasised, that, SYMBOLS are not, nor ever were, nor will ever be “EVIL!” The use of Symbols, especially symbols previously used for good and righteous purposes, by a madman or even evil entities, still, does not make the symbol itself eveil!
Evil People do not and cannot remake an good symbol into an evil one. Only people can mislead others into believing so. But the symbol remains the same, certainly in the minds and traditions (customs) of those who have always use such symbols only for good intentions, purposes & outcomes!
That is all,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
(Jessie Reneê Von Noaker)
response to 823:
Hitler didnt believe he was doing any wrong. He believe he was making a life of a “perfect race”. But to us , the use of him using the symbol represents pure evil
I believe the swastika should represent peace, sun, and happiness. Since the Holocaust, the swastika has meant nothing but pure evil to our world today. people use it to represent racism, misfortune, and eveil.
Regarding: 822. Anonymous says:
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
REPLY: As we pointed out earlier within these posts and on our own SACRED SWASTIKA REVIVAL Area, this sacred symbol pre-dates even the Norse (Vikings)!
It predates Greece, Rome, Egypt, Stonehenge, even Messopotamia!
As for it having been used by entities in Denmark, Please, when you expand and cover areas not yet brought to our attention through our own research, or that of other’s, Please, include Details! (ie., Who used it, where it was used, how it was used, when it was used, etc.)
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
Regarding: 823. Chris says:
…If the Nazis knew that it really meant life and all that good stuff why did they make it represent hatred and death?
REPLY: The NAZI’s never made the Swastika ‘represent hatred & death!” People, in general did that.
But, they did not make the Swastika represent these evils. That is Impossible!
People merely associated this Sacred Symbol with racism, death, genocide, etc.
Again: Symbols are NOT EVIL. People Are!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker)
This is absurd! If the Nazis knew that it really meant life and all that good stuff why did they make it represent hatred and death?
Are you forgetting that he acctually got it from the nordic symbol for the sun and power??? I mean the bigget brewery in Denmark used to use it as their sign
Maybe someday, this symbol can be healed and reclaimed, but in mho this is way too soon.
just to add, here is the Ilkley Moor link, for those interested http://www.skiptonweb.co.uk/gallery/picture2.asp?id=3903
I think we should make the distinction between the swastika, and the Hakken kreuz. Yes there is still a stigma in Germany, maybe one day we will be able to heal this little blemish on our 20th century skin. But for now let us focus upon the fact that the swastika is a very ancient symbol. There is a monument at the top of Panorama drive in Ilkley West Yorks , called the Swastika stone. This is a cup & ring feature, of the beaker people. The squared off, and 45 deg canted version, used by the 3rd Reich, was hijacked, and used as their party symbol. We should be able to reclaim this, and freely educate the young that it was a bad symbol for only 12 years. yes I can understand that airfix kits of german wwii planes in Germany don’t come with tailfin insignia. It is also an offence to deny the holocaust. Basically an infringement of human rights, of sorts. But for good reason. Maybe one day we will mature sufficiently to be able to put these issues to bed. But surely this symbol, basically a version of the wheel of life, must endure? why should we let the memory of a few long dead right wing extremists change our perspective. Isn’t it time to educate?
this symbol is safe and brings power and good luck ,
just because hitler used it it does not it is antisemtic
it can used sun’s rays to rise from east to west.
Hi as you can see my name is swastika and every time i told someone my name they look at me funny.I wish the whole world can know the true meaning of swastika of how sacred it is instead of using it for evil.
i am the son of ralph raja shandilya and I myself am too a buddhist. I find it very odd when people look strangely at swastikas obviosly when they see a swastika they amidiatly asociate it with hitler. I agree with my father that the swastika is very important.
I wish you the best of luck in reclaiming the Swastika.
The word “swastika” comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix. Though the Nazis gave it a wrong meaning by varying its direction- the clockwise version which doesnt make any sense. The counter-clockwise version holds the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck for all of us.
A symbol so pure in its meaning and so important as in belief by people all over the world should be given its due respect. People who know history from the second world war should return to the books and read some more of it to get the proper understanding of this symbol. Changing the US Navy building because it resembles Swastik is immature. US has been a guiding force in shaping world history and this act will not be digested well by many.
THANK YOU 824. Digby, 823. drishikagupta, 822. Irene Lopes- Lisbon- Portugal
and all others who have responded to this project and given your own knowledge & wisdom regarding the Sacred Swastika.
A Special Thanks to all who are supporting this project and to all of thos who are taking an active part in the Swastika’s revival!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe (Jessie Reneé Von Noaker) [NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY]
The symbol will only ever be appreciated by those who are ready to see what lies beneath the surface of things. The negative form of it could be said to be materialism at its worst, and the positive form of it, to be the Ascension of Consciousness, when the Yin and the Yang are in harmony.
swastika as its significance
why are we not following it
as we should
it is one of the indian national traditions
and we indians are not following it as its
importance
tthank you
love drishika
I live in a city, whose flag is a black swastika. It’s as old as the 2nd half of the XIIth century at least.
The city name means city of Light, or Lug, an ancient celt god. The flag was exported to Ceuta (now spanish, in the north o Africa- East side of the strait ) in 1415. Several maps of the age of discoveries (XV- XVI centuries) show portuguese territories with a swastika flag. Ancient stones have the symbol carved bronze and iron ages at least.
As follower of the ancient religion of Persia, I would like to say that in central Portugal we have a prayer: «God prevent us from bad ideias, bad words and bad actions» and we make crosses on the forehead, the lips and the chest. Aryan from the Caucasus reach here in the Vth century, or it’s older?
Some people consider Tomar, the sacret center of the country. Inside the wall (paredes) of a XIIth century castle we have the 3 plants: Cupressus , orange tree and myrtus.
sorry, I do not write english for more than 25 years
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: COUNCIL Of ELDERS:
RE: 822. Brandon Lau says:
“I think the swastika should be on every window in the world.”
WHY?
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
I think the swastika should be on every window in the world.
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY:
819. tengyal said:
“AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay.
[SWASTIKA is NOT NAZI
and
NAZI is NOT SWASTIKA(!)"]
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL:
DON’T THINK WE COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER, OURSELVES!!!!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
AT LAST!!! The nazis should not be left in position to take the Swastika and so fundamentally misuse it. No way! We have done away with them (well, almost…) They will be long gone and forgotten while this symbol is going to stay. Swastika is not nazi and nazi is not swastika.
THANK YOU
817. winevine
Glad you introduced that one to Americans and the world!
Indeed, not only is the San Diego bay Marines buildings in Coronado, CA built in the shape of a Swastika, there are others within American Borders.
Another good item worth mentioning is that America’s own Boy Scouts has used the Swastika in their regalia!
We haven’t had the time to mentione these yet as we are still compiling research material for our publication of complete data and specifics on this subject!
It is good that a number of you are doing your homework!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
If you look at a Google map of the US Marines buildings in Coronado, CA in the San Diego bay, you will notice that they are shaped in a swastika.
There are also some interesting paleolithic drawings which consist of 4 elk or some such animal joined at the feet extending in the four directions. You should try to find some images on the web, it is hard to visualize without seeing but it does seem to be some sort of proto-swastika.
BTW RAJ the symbol the cross should be an insult to christ and cristians cause that was not only where he so called died for our sins that was also where he died and was tortured soo pretty much everyone is representing the device used to torture gos so called son and not only that the cross is a not holy it is bloody
If some retarded maniac uses the cross as his symbol, and murders millions, would you ban CROSS, a symbol of Christianity? Swastik is an original symbol of spirituality, wishing well to all living beings.
RE: #2: 809. risto says:
…. U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
THE MERE FACT THAT THIS VERY WEBSITE WAS CREATED BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED TO GO WORLD-PUBLIC WITH THE SWASTIKA REVIVAL CAMPAIGN, SHOWS THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MET WITH SUCCESS.
MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO AQUIRED THE THOUGHT AND ACTED ON THE PROJECT, EVEN BEFORE WE CHOSE TO TREAD THIS CONTRIVERSIAL TASK!
~ Minister ThunderWolfe
RE: 809. risto says:
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
RESPONSE!
Firstly, as you can clearly see upon scrolling down these comments and viewing all of ours, we HAVE PUT OUR FACE ON THIS! WE HAVE INCLUDED MY NAME AND THE COMPLETE URL OF THE EMBASSY!
SECONDLY: WE DO NOT, NOR WILL WE “WORSHIP” ANY SYMBOL!
WE WORSHIP THE CREATOR< "GRANDFATHER, GOD, GREAT FORCE, GREAT MYSTERY, WHATEVER YOU CALL HIM/HER! The SWASTIKA IS, AFTER ALL, A SYMBOL, A MEDICINE TOOL, THAT IS ALL!
~ CHIEF MINISTER THUNDERWOLFE
I agree with you about reclaiming the swastika.
BUT U SHOULD PUT YOUR FACE AND NAME BEHIND
your initiative (like i did).
Otherwise there will be no much success of your idea.
If you are a REAL and GENUINE worshiper of the swastika, you should put your face behind it.
I beleive in Sai Baba and I am not scared to put my name and face behind what i have said.
Risto
The Swastika, Fylfot or Wheel of Life is one of the most ancient & universal symbols of life, common to many religions. The banning of this symbol would therefore be an act of oppression of the sort perpetrated by the Nazi & Soviet regimes. Do these ignorant oppressors of freedom of expression propose to ban the ‘hammer & sickle’ symbol too?
If you are Jain, Hindu, Buddhist, Bon, Pagan, First Nation American, or of any other group, religion or culture for whom the Swastika is sacred: STAND AGAINST INJUSTICE & WEAR YOUR SWASTIKA WITH PRIDE! Peace & Blessings, may all beings be liberated from suffering & the causes of suffering.
there is a strong assaciation in ancient artifacts between the swastika and the owl in particular.owls have zygodactylous or semizygodactylous (outer toe reversible.) feet that can leave swastika like foot-prints in loose dirt or sand.
I have always admired the swastika for its true meaning and been annoyed with those who would act discriminatory towards me for having any association with it. I believe in its power however. I hope It will become the symbol of a new Religion Based on a new Dharma.
Swastika is used since time immemorial in Dharmic countries. It is racism to ban it anywhere. We may also ban chruch cross or muslim allahu akbar since their invaders commited horrible crimes. It is like blood libel posed on jews in middle ages.
The Swastika is a holy symbol and meaning
in sanskrit is well being. I agree this holy
symbol was stolen by the Nazis and
I like this site’s goal of reclaiming the
swastika as holy symbol of many cultures.
I will discuss more in the future about
The 1st amendment of the US Constitution
and my experience from being a polytheist
whose main practice is Tibetan buddhism.
WHEREAS, HITLER HAS An AUSTRIAN FATHER, and a JEWISH MOTHER, by JEWISH LAW and all MATRILINIAL SOCIETy’s LAWs, that makes HITLER LEGALLY “JEWISH!”
RE: 803. Anonymous says:
“Hitler was pure blood.”
Hitler was a Mestizo, a Mixed Blood, bothe Austrian & JEWISH!
DOCUMENTED BY HISTORY, THIS IS UNDENIABLE & INDISPUTABLE!
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY
Correction of Extreme Error: “never” incorectly mistyped in previous commentary:
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity ever result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Neither the Condemnation of Symbols, nor of those Evil Elements that cause, create and perpetuate acts of extreme inhumanity never result in positive resolve;
Prayer Does!
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY: American Indian Anti Defamation Council
RE: # 793: Daniel Dewulf
“History is written with blood in the name of many religions.”
Well said, as is the entire commentary!
The comments 791 &792 reflect the historical thruth about both crosses.
We Christians must accept that millions were murdered by people wearing the christian cross.Hitler as a Catholic with the blessing of many fanatic so called Catholics was doing the same under the swastica cross.See the film:Amen ! The catholic church defended the most cruel nazis after the war helping them to escape to South America because of their services to the anti-jewish Catholic church!
And now we witness the murdering of the Palestinian people under the jewish david cross!
Everybody
his turn???
History is written with blood in the name of many religions.
John Lennon was singing with conviction “give peace a chance”
I think the Americans voted this time right and let us hope something will change in the good direction
Over One Hundred Million Indigenous Peoples were butchered (Exterminated) by those carrying the CHRISTIAN CROSS!
Perhaps we all should BAN this symbol, so sacred to True Christions around the world?
The Christion Cross is no more guilty of any wrong-doing than the multiple versions of the ‘Swastika!’
Crosse’s and Swastika’s murder and exterminate no more than guns, bombs and nuclear fallout!
Leave the Swastika alone and leave the Peoples alone who utilize this sacred symbol, and get on with the business of Chaim (Life)!
MeKe Aloha, ASalam Aleichem, Shalom Aleichem, Love be with you,
~ Chief Minister ThunderWolfe
Post Scriptum: As long as there are those who keep, or treat this sacred symbol as an item of ‘Evil,’ it will continue to be utilized in acts of hatred & bigotry!
Take this away from them, and they can no longer use it as an item of ‘Hate’ or use it in their acts of ‘Hatred!’
re: “My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive”
Thousands of Africans were butchered by thugs sporting the Crist cross in full flames! Does the entire world have this ‘cross’ symbol banned because of a handfull of racist barbarians who used it in the performance of their evil? No! of course not!
The NAZI’s were in power and used their form of the Swastika for roughly (+-) 10 (TEN) Years! The various forms of the Swastika have been used world-wide for over 5,000 (Five Thousand) Years!
For those who find this sacred symbol ‘offensive,’ stop attempting to bully the entire world and Dictatorily forbidding the entire world from using their symbol because you persist in blaming the symbol rather than the evil party’s who have mis-used their own version!
All can cry perpetually about the past, or they can lick their wounds, release themselves from their ‘Grudges,’ allow their wounds to stop festering and finally heal, move on with their lives, and stop picking on the rest of the world who never did a thing to hurt or offend you!
~ ThunderWolfe [Chief Minister: Native American Embassy & Trustee: Native American Holocaust Museum, Inc.]
“Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.”
How conveniently relativistic and evasive.
re: “i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.”
I believe We Speak for people’s Around the World, when we say, You are Welcome!
Someone should have taken on this task dekades ago!
However, it is done! We will continue this project until the entire world no longer sees this Sacred Symbol as evil as force-fed by so few, and to re-vive it world wide as the Holy emblem and/or Medicine it has always been!
MeKe Aloha,
~ Thunderwolfe
Post Scriptum:
Thanks much for the Armenian Swastika details! You covered a thing or two, that we had not yet uncovered regarding the Armenian Symbol.
RE: “u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .”
ANSWER: NO WE DID NOT!
HAVE YOU ANY IDEA OF THE WIDE SPREAD USE OF THIS HOLY SYMBOL?
WE WILL BE RESEARCHING THIS SACRED SYMBOL FOR YEARS TO COME, AND CONTINUE TO LOCATE MORE NOT YET UNEARTHED!
WE POST THEM AS WE LOCATE THEM.
THESE FORUMs DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE TO LIST EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, OR EVERY LAST DETAIL!
WE LEAVE IT UP TO ALL WHO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SWASTIKA SUBJECT, TO, DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK!
~ ThunderWolde [Chief Minister: NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM]
u forgot to mention the importance of the swastica in the ARMENIAN culture .the armenian people have long used the swastica as a symbol of life the sun and god. the word AST in the armenian language has thousands of uses for example ASTvadz in armenian means god, aramast was the sungods son… recent archeological finds in armenia also have pottery wepons and clothing bearing the swastica and armenian writings.. it is also believed that the armenian alphabet has beenderived from the swastica alone . almost all the letters bear a shocking resemblence to the swastica…i would loke to thank all of those who helped create this website and may your word be heard across the world and specially europe.
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
NATIVE AMERICAN EMBASSY & HOLOCAUST MUSEUM:
We have contemplated becoming instrumental as Primary Principle to Revive the World Sacred Swastika Symbol for near 20 Years.
It came time: We have begun the task in September of 2009.
We are advocating that all Peoples, worldwide, take their Swastika back and start using it again.
The Swastika, in whatever form it was originaly intended & used was never evil, but only became offensive to a select few individuals and groups as a result of this Spiritual Sign having been misused by an evil and emotionologicaly dysfunctional Austrian/Jewish Mixed-Blood who went on to become the evil dictator of germany during the oppressive Nazi era.
Take this Symbol away from the world’s biggots and other Hate groups & individuals, and, it then can no longer be used effectively as a Hate symbol!
~ ThunderWolfe
In the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (Runic Alphabet) we find the ‘Sigel (sun) S’. One ‘Sigel’ placed across another at a right angle gives us a fower-fot, a fylfot.
The same can be done with another Anglo-Saxon Furthorc rune the ‘eoh (yew) symbol’.
What I do not agree is the assumption that the FOWER-FOT/ FYLFOT or as some call it the swastika originated in one or two specific places and then spread out without ceasing.
Of course it spread to a certain extent from some areas but I think scholars over estimate this and do not give many cultures and civilisations and even the individual, credit and respect in terms of their innate creativity, which is in all of us.
Personally I believe item emerged independently in many different cultivates around the world.
As someone who is involved in art, and no doubt some of you will remember from your younger days that when you first started to draw. There was a number of patterns you automatically drew. These shapes being a circle, square, and crossed lines. (and a triangle).
Continuing to explore shapes you add a small inner circle inside the larger circle. Then you add radiant arched lines from the inner circle to the outer. Now you have a fower-fot/ fylfot. With the crossed lines you simply add other lines at an angle (and so on if you wish) and you have another fower-fot / fylfort.
These shapes can be created inside a square and become more elaborate with turns and rolls.
So this is why I do not believe the fower-fot/ fylfot or swastika originated in only one or two areas and civilisations. I believe it’s creation is the natural innate creatively of humans around the world. And their common if not similar understanding in how the shape appears to manifest it’s various patterns in the their observations and understanding of the world they lived . …And in which we live.
In fact billions of people around the world have the fower-fot / fylfot or swastika in their bathrooms, kitchens and places of work.. Just look down at your bathroom and kitchen plug-holes !
As a native ethnic indigenous Englishman (an Anglo-Saxon) who has his own cultural identity and native religion with it’s own gods and goddess. I too find the banning of what my people call the ‘ FYLFOT ‘ form old English meaning FOWER FOT, meaning four-footed or many footed.; – I find it very disturbing to ban this image there is no reason to ban this incredible and ancient symbol.
Many fylfort symbols have been found in England from urns, pendants, brooches, cremation urns, hilts, art etc. Also found in English Christian religious art and symbolism.
The FYLFOT/FOWER FOT (FOUR FOOTED) was and still is a sacred symbol to many native ethnic indigenous English people. It is associated with the sun and our thunder god ‘THUNOR’ (the vikings called him Thor). From Thunor we have the days name called Thursday.
Thunor was not just renowned for his strength and hammer and defending the other gods. He was associated with the weather and crops and god of farmers, peasants, serfs and slaves.
My family fought against the nazis in WW2 and I find it offensive that because of those nazis my people are having part of their culture removed by ignorant politicians. My native English culture along with many other cultures are being attacked by bureaucratic ignorance. We must stop this stupidity.
Below is a photograph of an Anglo-Saxon urn with Fylfot/fower fot decoration. Is it possible to enlarge the Photo and put this on your Photos page please?
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/p/pottery_cremation_urn-1.aspx
Thank you Aelfred
It’s safe to say that the nazi’s did as good job of brand association with the swastika as coca-cola did with american santa claus. I’m happy to say I have a friend from india whose name is Swastika, but sadly she doesn’t use it in public. I’m trying to figure out ways of using the symbol without it’s associated nazi inheritance, but unfortunately I work in the same colour pallete so it’s really hard. Thanks for the site! Spread the word.
Hey you should open http://www.naziat.org website to know why Hitler used swastika wrong way..
Thanks to whoever created this website… It is sad that a few twisted people took something totally positive and turned it into the exact opposite. I have collected Chinese antiques for a number of years and got interested in their symbolism as a result. I have some silk textiles, an Imperial Court Robe, and some other silk embroideries which are exquisite. There are swastikas prominently placed on them because of it’s powerful positive symbolism. Many people are still ignorant to it’s true origins and meaning. Just as with the Civil Rights Movement, ignorance is often what kept forward movement from occurring and enlightenment and growth as one people.
Keep this thing going! If we want to change things…we need to be involved.
In the Maya culture in Yucatán, the swastika is a astronomical symbol for the Polar Star. And mountain climbers like me use as a recordatory of our ancient cultures.
Heil Berg !!!
In japan swatsika symbol is a chinese character read “manji”(?) and used in the buddhism tradition. You can see this symbol everywhere in japan.
hg
I know the swastika has an old and honorable pre-nazi history–but I would advise anybody to think twice before getting a swastika tattoo or wearing a swastika armband to a party–at least don’t put it on til you get there and be sure the other guests know what you are about. People who know the deep meaning of the swastika are few and far between. Most people will react negatively and treat you with contempt.The police won’t like you.And, worst of all, you may attract the love of skinheads and other assorted sociopaths.
I love how this website was made, it explains the clear truth of the swastika, for many years I have tried to explain to people that the swastika was not invented by the Nazi Party, nor was it to represent ‘world domination’ or ‘evil’ as they were led to believe.
I understand how many people would see it as an evil symbol, and think that everybody who wears it are trouble makers, but they’re just focusing on what happened during World War II, for that reason alone I got royally ticked off and wanted to find a way to show that the swastika is actually there for a good purpose, and has better meaning.
I just don’t see why people were so touchy over the incident when Prince Harry was wearing a swastika at a FANCY DRESS party… I do hope that this website becomes known to the entire world…
For that, I’m going to do my part, I’ll be publishing this link on all the websites I administrate and pass the link to all the people I know!
Personally, I have always loved the swastika, ever since I was a child, when I first saw it I fell in love with it and it made me feel peaceful, I don’t know why, but the swastika will always mean more to me than other symbols… Like the Cross or the Pentacle.
Thank You for presenting us with this website!
Lots of Love, Jamie Lee Andrews
Head Administrator of the International Sixfold Union
thanks for making this website. i didn’t know this site was made. i love the real meaning of the Swasika.
This signs been around for many years and just because some ignorant fools deemed to use it for ignorance should’t be blamed on the symbol i agree everyone should know the true meaning…
Hi,
Thanks for creating a website to inform the world the real meaning of SWASTIKA.
Keep up the work.
Hurrah to SWASTIKA
THE SWASTIKA IS A religious SYMBOL USED BY MANY CULTURES AROUND THE WORLD IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SO DONT PUNISH US
WE DID NOTHING!!!!!!!
SO BRING IT BACK AND FIGHT FOR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
And if there are problems with the images in my previous comment, please try here:
http://www.monio.info/2009/09/24/swastikas-return-powrot-swastyki/
Cheers!!!
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… That is what I would say…
Cheers!!!
Michael Monikowski
Perth, Australia
Knowledge is power, more people need to be aware of the historic representation of the swastika.
I gladly join the Reclaiming cause [ :
i love the sign of the swastika and all that it REALLY represents. the true meaning peace, harmony, good luck and well being. ( not hitler’s BS). i think he has no power and never really had any power over a simbol that existed WAY before he was even born. hitler was nothing but a mess. as a matter of fact am thinking about getting a tattoo of the swastika. AND I REALLY DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR SAY. I KNOW I AM ALOT MORE EDUCATED. LETS REDEEM AND RECLAIM BACK THE SIGN OF GOOD.
The Swastika is a beautiful emblem that must not be allowed to be hijacked by the terrible crimes of WWII commited by Hitler and his Henchmen!!! It truly is a symbol of Truth, Good luck and Hope for the future. Sadly though people seem to know much more about the sickening Nazis than they do about the wonderful and meaningful history of the Swastika that spans over 5000 years of the History of this planet. I wear a Swastika lapel Pin on the collar of my jacket. I wear it because I feel good about it. Peace to you all my friends
whoops I forgot to sighn my name,I posted comment#757
on this website is says that the swastica facing the direction that is commonly associated with the nazi party of germany durring war war 2 (or the clockwise swastica as I think of it)is a positive symbol that brings victory where as the counter-clockwise “swastica” is a negative symbol that brings “total annihilation”…
surely this is a symbolism associated with certain cultures,
I was under the impression that the the clocwise swastica was a symbol for “strength and knowledge” which are relativly neutral aspects and make sense with the nazi war machine of world war 2,where as the counter-clockwise “swatica” symbolizes “love and compassion” 2 aspects most would not associate with the nazis, and is actually called “dharma” and not “swastica”
refugees are only a scam of illuminati.
illuminati creates their satanic new world order with the help of chaos created by immigartion.
islam, drugs, violence, ‘terror’ , etc.
patriots are labeled racists, etc.
it’s bullshit
pakolaisuus on huijausta
se on vain illuminaatti petos
jolla luodaan uusi maailmanjärjestys
kaaos, jolla saadaan uusi maailmanjöärjestys.
http://www.wethepeople.la/ciadrugs.htm
Suomalaisten joukkotuhonta meneillään,
holocaust of finns is happening now?
suorittajana Vanhasen nazi-Bilderberg-EU-hallitus?
our nazi-EU-government of Vanhanen is doing it?
Omia kansalaisia syrjitään, tuhotaan?
Finns are oppressed in their own country?
Kristillisiä vihaavilla ja epädemokraattisilla voimilla täytetään Suomeamme?
Anti-christian immigration fills Finkland.?
http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/node/8160170
Kaaos on tämä saatanan natsi vallan eräs kikka , jolla vaientaa massat. Satanic nazi-power uses chaos as a method of control, and silence the masses?
Ettekö näe? -
meille ei anneta työtä.We are not given jobs.
rahamme heivataan pitkin maailmaa… Our money is given to other races…
työpaikat lopetetaan…Finland has no jobs anymore for finns…
karhut ja sudet jouksee pitkin maaseutua terrorisoimassa, muusta puhumattakaan, suomalaisia kyykytettän sossuissa ja byrokratialla, There is now beasts living in finnish forests, which we had not before…and finns are oppressed by idiotic byrocracy…communism…
työttömille psyykepillereitä jotka tuhoaa ihmisen…Finns ar e given psychiatric pills, instead of jobs or financial support…
natsien joukkotuhonta on käynnissä, ja suomen kansaa tuhotaan?…
Holocaust is happening in Finland now…
EU-holocaust?
Vapaamuurari-fasismi tappaa?
freemason fascism kills?
Vapaamuurarit maailmanlaajuisesti toimii salassa ja korruptoi maailmaa? freemasons operate
internationally and corrupt the world?
Tähän asti enemmänkin talousrikollisuutta korruption muodossa, mutta yhä enemmän siirtymässä ottamaan KAIKEN VALLAN maailmassa? They ar e moving from financial crimes aND CORRUPTION TO more violence, etc.?
Yhteistyössä satanistien ja natsien kanssa? Co-operating with satanists and nazis?
facts-Tuossa
tietoa:
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
Suomalaiset ajetaan alas, ja uusi eliitti on jo täällä valmiina? immigrants are new elite of finland in EU?
Vapaamuurarien epäkristillinen eliitti? Elite of freemasonic anti-christian people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU
Hi there!
Too bad the debate is only focusing on racism/zionism and one of the darkest days of european story.
As several people said before we’d better focus on the present and by extend our future. We shouldn’t give too much a damn about what happened before as it happened. It’s done.
There are currently awful things going on everywhere around the globe and we simply don’t give a shit about these. Oh yeah, I understand that we’d better be chasing a bunch of dickheads who are trying to form a new reich in their parents garage under a nazi flag they bought on ebay.
Wake up! This symbol as been misused and we’d better share its original and positive value than make it a symbol of hate.
You want to teach your children how horrible was WWII or do you want to raise them with good values and respect ?
One won’t lead them to commit massacre, guess which.
ok fair enough 751 but i will not have you misrepresent my intentions by saying i am hideing behiend this project as some kind of protection.
it is untrue and really not fair.
i’ll remove myself from this whole subjet.
but i did not start this.
thank you for your time.
best wishes and peace be onto you all.
i agree with comment 420 except this is part of it.
you are happy with the status quo.we don’t accept it.
it means what it means.
the history channel does not own it.
this isn’t a home for a few random oppinions.this is an ongoing dialog.
thats life.
thank you.you are super well spoken.but this is positive more so than the likes of the pro and con obama health care weirdos or anyother myopic point of view.
peace be onto you and everyone and thank you for letting me have my say on this project.
peace to you and yours. i understand the desire to post such a link to this site as a sort of disclaimer in such an unenlightened age. some of you are probably having to defend yourself on this point far more often than you care to. but i must tell you, the national socialists were not estranged from the essence of that holy, solar symbol. if anyone in the history of mankind has earned the right to use that symbol, i believe it is those who live, fight, and die in its service. history is merely the victor’s story, as you know. there is another side where much has been overlooked. the vanquished have no voice. the fact is, hitler was no more a “racial supremacist” than tenzin gyatso– however inconvenient. sixty-odd years has obscured the truth, but not suffocated it. during the 1920s, the dalai lama was thutpen gyatso, as you may know. he was a scholar of impressive intellect who sought to achieve a balance between western technology and eastern spirituality. he had heard about hitler when the n.s. movement was still struggling for authority in the chaos of those times. among the many european books the dalai lama had translated was hitler’s “mein kampf”… he filled his copy with enthusiastic annotations and underlining of his favourite passages on virtually every page. of hitler he said, “the inji (honourable foreigner) is assisted by god for some high purpose in this life.” he also believed there to be a synchronicity for the swastika being the symbol of both n.s. and the ancient bon-buddhism of his warrior monks. also noted were certain similarities between n.s. and buddhist doctrines, especially that service to one’s folk is the highest purpose or dharma in life. therefore when hitler became chancellor in 1933 warm congratulations were received from far off tibet. now, ask yourself why we’d never read that in a system school book in the united states or much of europe? if the national socialists are nothing more than “intolerant white supremacists” who wanted to conquer the world and kill all non-blonde haired and blue-eyed individuals (absurd, really), then why were their primary allies japanese and italian (non european in the first case, and surely non-nordic in the second)? most people are unaware that both muslims, hindus, a minority of jews, and buddhists enlisted as volunteers in the ss, or that hundreds of tibetan monks in ss uniform were found by the soviets in the fall of berlin in full ss uniform, having fought to the last man (the tibetans were part of the ss cossack regiment). these facts don’t mesh well with the system version of history.
last thoughts in the form of three quotes: one from a hindu. one from a buddhist. one from a national socialist. “i’m for a multi-racial world in which each race keeps to itself, in harmony with the other races. like in a garden, you have flowerbeds of roses and flowerbeds of carnations and irises and different other flowers. they don’t ‘intermarry’. they preserve their distinction, and each one has its own unique beauty.” – savitri devi. speaking at the 1993 chicago conference on world religions, tenzin gyatso (the dalai lama) said that the boundaries separating different peoples across the world were not bad if they preserved and defined genetic and cultural identities. he stated these differences need to be maintained in order that the individual have his own sense of identity. tenzin is totally opposed to one worldism, saying of the internationalists, “they fail to see that the so-called ‘cultural diversity’ they claim to admire would vanish in a one world system. no– true ‘cultural diversity’ values the different material and spiritual achievements of a people uniquely different from all others on the planet. therefore it cannot exist without the barriers which separate and identify culture from culture.” and lastly, “i assure you i am quite free from all racial hatred. it is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. except for a few gratuitous successes, which i am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. pride in one’s own race — and that does not imply contempt for other races — is also a normal and healthy sentiment. i have never regarded the chinese or japanese as being in any way inferior to ourselves. they belong to ancient civilizations, and i admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. they have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. indeed, i believe the more steadfast the chinese and the japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier i shall find it to get along with them.” -adolf hitler. the secret history of the second world war is that it was about blood and spirit against gold and corrupt materialism. if you want to understand why a bloody world war was waged, read up on the economic reforms which took place under hitler and consider who exactly was inconvenienced by such a reform: the international bankster gangsters. read up on benjamin freedman (a jew himself, who had spoken out against zionism and the federal reserve and the treaty of versailles). germany was decimated and occupied for the very same reason that a man like lincoln was assassinated. every reformer is offed. and for the record, j.f.k. opposed zionist nuclear facilities at dimona, and look what happened to him. notice how l.b.j. then reversed all of kennedy’s policies toward the zionist occupation regime in palestine and tripled their funding and weaponry like a good little lapdog. man, real germans have gotten a bad rap. and people who tap into what they were onto are really judged harshly and unfairly. behind every historical “devil” lies some truth, some redeeming, liberating principle which the establishment has sought to suppress. it’s been going on for thousands of years. people can’t seem to think about any of this above emotional attachment…
we can do nothing about the past…but let’s make the future brighter.let’s all stand together as one and smash the numbskulls.let’s respect culture.
godbless and peace.
a.a.n.f.
I meet here nice people like the Indian person with his eastern good philosophy,like the swedish person and others who want to contribute for a better world.I like especially the budhist replier who like all budhists are is tollerant .I am now a non-believer but I am glad that many persons find comfort in a religion,because they need to be supported in this way.For the rest I refer to my posts here :nr 741 and very much to post nr 745.Some reactions??
The other things to consider are :-
1. We always remember brutality more and for longer and forget the kindness of the people around us very quickly.
2. Symbols have no meanings but our mind has the ability to make meanings from them.
3. We can form symbols by ourselves but it’s meaning will be different for each of us as it depends upon how we look at a symbol.
Pictures can be taken as first representation of our thoughts but yet the meaning of pictures are different for different people.
I mean to say that our nature is the biggest hurdle since most of people want to believe in Nazi symbol rather than the true meaning of symbol of “Swastika”.
Well… Congratulations for the site as it represents many beliefs about a single symbol :-
1. Firstly i would like to say that every person should be able to neglect which he hates. I am a hindu but i am actually an atheist and hence i don’t care about religious beliefs but can do you know any other symbol with so much meanings as “Swastika”.
2. Secondly I am very attached to symbol not only because it has holy importance in our community but also because i like it, i never remember Hitler with it.
3. Sorry to say but it’s wrong to say that only western countries have lost during world war II, we send our men with britishers as at that time our territory was under the rule of britishers. To know more visit :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_in_World_War_II
Remember that we lost too but we have forgiveness.
4. I am sorry to say but the people blaming a symbol that it reminds them of Adolf Hitler is utter foolishness as mind can only remind something which we want to remind through it. Why not ban ‘Adolf hitler’s’ History rather than banning a symbol which is related to so many people in so many ways.
5. How can you ban human nature just because one of us was a liar, cheater which was Adolf Hitler.
Please try to redeem yourself from the after-effcts of Adolf Hitler. I hope that the people will understand and will forget about Hitler and will accept the “Swastika” in its true nature i.e. love, purity, happiness, hope, luck and may we get the strength to look beyond our weaknesses.
Dewulf!
I dont think you should compare Ghandi and M.L. KIng. Watch the widio about the religion first before you see part three.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7362450282309249591&hl=no
King was not realy what you seem.think he was!
To Mr.Bernt from Sweden:
Thank you for your extraordinary reaction.I agree totaly with the content.I am NOT a supporter of any doctrine.I am looking and searching after explination “about Hitler and others in History”and try to make conclusions.The video you recommended is not only explaining the love of power but gives the world the knowledge that this world is governed by international bankers who are supported by corrupt presidents for who war is money-big money!Power indeed corrupts!In this video the makers explain very good what I was concluding for myself:international bankers are far to be considered human.The video shows very clear that all wars were provoced by international banker US president supporters. Like Roosevelt who provoced the Japanese so badly that they attacked Pearl Harbour.When I think on all those patrottic innocents and victims of the war who gave their lives for serving the international bankers I become furious.When I read in the video that the Tonkin incedent that was at the origin of the Vietnam war never happened and was only a pretext to start the war in Vietnam only again in the interest of international bankers…And now we all know that president Bush started the Iraq war after 9/11 with again the false pretext that Iraq was guilty….AND SO ON…Hitlers IG Farben was supported by US bankers too…If now we should discover that those corrupt bankers were Jewish then we should come to the atrocious conclusion that this corrupt people killed their own people in their money interest…In this forum the SWASTIKA finaly brings us to the truth and the sign gives all human people hope and hapiness…I was happy to view the peace loving persons like Ghandy,M.L.King and John Lennon.THIS VIDEO HAS TO BE VIEWED BY ALL MANKIND!
On another day I will react on the other video recommended by Mr.Bernt from Sweden
As a Buddhist myself, I too agree with all others Indo-Europeans which included Chinese, Hinduism, Jainism and all other cultures and religions to reclaim the very ancient sacred symbol of peace and prosperity that transcend our cultures to it’s rightful place in our culture’s history. And educate the contemporaries about the truth of the swastika from the slumber caused by Nazi’s nightmare.
If Medieval Europeans had the renaissance of their religion and culture that changed and shaped their societies to what they are now, then why not us, the cultures and societies that the symbol itself is as sacred as the heaven.
Look at this movie and you will in the end understand the origan of the Swastika
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7362450282309249591&hl=no
Dewulf!
The fal of comunism is well and good, but do you realy think tha New World order is going to be better?
Swastika has been used by so many nations that is hard to say where the origin is, but it all relates to the worshipping of the sun. Christianaty is also related to the same as one of the myths.
Please look at this movie and you will see what I mean.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4104851170462978605
In my article 740 I forgot to mention Mr Gorbatsjov,the last USSR leader who did what had to be done:abolish communism.For me he is one of those real HEROES.Now the East European countries have a much better future thanks to Gorbatsjov. (Poland,Hungary,Roumenia,Bulgaria,Estland,Letland,Litauen,Oekrania,Moldavia,..Even Russia I think can become a member of Europe(why not,this people suffered enough through their so sad history…
I am a convinced European and I hope Europe brings hapiness for all people in this world.
(I have a dream too Mr Martin Luther King)
I agree with the Montevideo-post.The cross ,symbol of Christianism has oh so many times misused by Popes of the Roman Catholic Church.Through the history even more Jews were killed by other hands then by the nazis.History learns us how ALL kind of religious were involved in murdering and persecuting people.History is written with blood.I am not a Jew hater nor a muslim hater aso., but when I witness what happened and still happens to the Poor persecuted Palestinian People then I have to admit that my humanism character oblige me to condemn the Israeli policy in that matter.The US should now with Obama perhaps interupt this policy,but do they not have to consider the zionist influence AND the financial POWER ??Money is so important that the policy becomes dependant from this money…BUT we can be happy that still there are GOOD thinking people in this world too(Martin Luther King,Ghandi,Mandela,The Dalai Lama who cannot govern his country,John Kennedy,Robert Kennedy,Jimmy Carter,John Lennon,Joan Baez,Bob Geldhof,and many others.
“give peace a chance!”
I dont like censorship
I also dislike the “politically correct” way of speaking ,when it is deemed mandatory
So, I also dont like the ban of the svastika or any other symbol
And I remember that in the name of christianism, catholicism and communism many persons were killed, but nobody wants to ban the cross or the hammer and sickle
greetings from Montevideo,Uruguay
Oh, I guess you would need this: hooverlc@mymail.vcu.edu
Anybody else who emails me will be ignored.
Hi Marshall, it’s Lori.
I’ve been wanting to talk to you for a long time. Could you please email me? I realize this is not the appropriate place to talk, and I’m sorry if I’m bothering you.
gr8 informational article seeing how its been passed on from generations and we just preconceive that it became more popular after Hitler started using it……swastika has re branded itself as the common logo for all religious symbols.
You’re another internet shyster, Holbrish, but at least you’re a naked anti-Semite and admirer of the man.
“The word Swastika derives from the Aryans of ancient India. In their Sanskrit language su meant “well” and asti “being,” to which the substantive suffix -ka was added. It is thus a sign of well-being and prosperity, of integrity and fertility. Its four arms—the four Ls—represent Light, Life, Love and Luck.”
Blah, blah, blah and blah. All gay Hindoo interpretation, doodly do, doodly do. The suffix -ka by the way is a diminutive, not merely a “substantive”, though it does substantiate the phrase swasdee.
Great article, again. These informations are especially useful …
this is exactly the post I needed to see!
This is a great article. I’m new to blogging but still learning. Thanks for the great resource.
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
As I wrote on june 26th(704)I repeat that the swastika was used by Hitler and not invented by him(many people think so) It is good that this website exists to bring in the reality.Can I hereby remember or reveil for many people that the antesemitic book”Der Ewige Jude”was NOT written by the Nazis but a translation of the book “The International Jew” written by the great antisemit HENRY FORD,better known as the boss from Ford.He supported Hitler as so many in this period and was rewarded with the”Grosskreuz des Deutschen Adlerordens”in july 1938 by Hitler for his 75th birthday.In the office of Hitler there was even a picture of Henry Ford.HISTORY learns us that the Jewish people were persecuted and murdered not only by the German NAZI party,but eg.by the Tsar of Russia,The catholics especially in Poland,and so on ,and they did not have the swastika as their symbol.
can u wear the swastika if its hidden unless u show it to someone ? and not get called skinhead and or neo-nazi ?
There was no holocaust – its not about ‘emotional trauma’ its about their commitment to bringing down the one system which has ever effectively cast off the shackles of zionist judaism.
The first amendment of the constitution?
Can the A.C.L.U act let u wear the swastika freely in schools if so what act is there that can let u wear it ?
I think it may just take time. Survivors of the holocaust are still living…
Hey, great stuff there. I will soon be doing a documentary on the topic. In the mean-time keep up the good work.
We do doodly do
Doodly do doodly do
What we must muddly must
Muddly must muddly must
Muddly do muddly do
Muddly do muddly do
Until we bust bodily bust
Bodily bust bodily bust
This is a great web site, thanks.
Instead of trying to ban the symbol (which I believe Germany have been successful in doing) and making the use of it illegal troubles me on a zeitgeist level.
The people putting their ignorant (or deliberately misleading) energies into banning this symbol should actually use this energy to educate people of it’s true meaning.
Peace
This is great! It really shows me where to expand my blog. I think that sometime in the future I might try to write a book to go along with my blog, but we will see…Good post with useful tips and ideas
This is great! Now I want to see your ways for us readers to become more involved! Expect an email later today.
This is my first time comment at your blog.
Good recommended website.
Well, to soon to say if it’s good, but at least it’s well designed.
I mean I thought I would be blocked after adding some interests, but the site helps you to add more.
Cheers
Good post! I plan to move into this stuff after I’m done with school, as most of it is time consuming. It’s a great post to reference back to. My blog needs more time to gain in popularity anyway.
A wonderful article…. In my life, I have never seen a man be so selfless in helping others around him to get along and get working. I feel good that there are people like you too. Thanks for this great weblog of yours. Its surely going to get me to go to higher places!
Looks like your question thing at the end of the post worked. Also not having to sign in is nice too. Good job. Nice list. Thanks.
This is a great article. I’m new to blogging but still learning. Thanks for the great resource.
what i have not seen yet is the acknowledgement that the swatiska derived from ancient Egypt, which was called the Land of Black. isn’t it ironic that Hitler used an symbol that is Black in origin, and India preserved it along with many other religious artifacts.
always remember to go deeper in your research and it may lead to Atlantis or Sumeria or to the Heavens, but the intention of the swastika was never to imply skin heads or evil…
good side. good work….
“But unlike the Hammer and Sickle which was used by the Communists to institute forced-Socialism and the death of millions beneath its’ mantle…”
How about the forced Multiculturalism, i.e. white disenfranchisement and murder, brought to bear on us by YOUR people?
“The symbol did not kill millions of people in WWII…the Nazis did.”
YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES! A JEW-APPROVED SWASTIKA!!
SWASTIKA (KOSHER PARVE)
LIFE ITSELF (KOSHER PARVE)
STOLEN! KIDNAPPED!
WANTED: NAZI GERMANY
FOR: KIDNAPPING THE SWASTIKA!
REWARD: GOLD STAR FROM JEWS, FAGGOTS & HINDOOS!
YOU WILL GO TO JEWISH HEAVEN WITH ANNE FRANK IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE PINK SWASTIKA
ONE WORLD
ONE LOVE
ONE SWASTIKA — THE LOVE SWASTIKA
MMM, SEXY LOVE SWASTIKA
Susmann!
Your just a subject of indoctrination, how many people did the so called allies kil in their integration camps after the war. How many innocent people where killed by carpet bombing in Germany. How many have CIA killed since the war by creating conflicts and wars under the name of democracy. Should we forbid the symbol of the US because some criminals in the US has adopted it.
Wake up and see the truth and you will see that the National Socialist can not be blamed for steeling the Swastika.
i agree with ideas all over this web site. And also, we can take the symbol from the hands of neo-nazi around the world. Let the people know!
I love the Swastika and can understand why it is hated so much by the liars and evil powers of this world. And let us not forget to mention the gulible ones. Because with out these silly dupes, the evil ones would not be in control today. The same gulible ones who were decieved into believing the lies about the last great movement on Earth of people who stood up and tried to save the world from the evil ones and their evil agenda. The same gulible ones who went and stomped their blood brothers into anihlation. The same gulible ones who now hate themselves so much for looking like their blood brothers. The same gulible ones who are on their way out and leaving a horrible place for their children to try and survive in. But very powerful and talented deceivers those evil ones! Especially easy for them though, seeings that their father is the master of lies, and the master of this world ! Nearly everything your taught or shown or led to beleive about who the good people were and what they did, and about what took place, is a filthy, down right lie. It’s no wonder the evil ones are in charge of everthing today. Even Disneyland! All the books your allowed to read, and the movies your allowed to watch, and the news your allowed to hear, and the history your allowed to believe in, and the cover-ups your gov’ts tells you, and, most of all, the money they allow you to need and love. As long as they can keep the great lie going, they should succeed in their mission. And as long as they keep us all thinking that our most holy and powerful and sacred symbol is evil, they will succeed, no doubt. The evil ones hate and fear it more that anything and they want every one else to feel the same way about it. It’s that simple. The Swastika is the symbol of GOD and the Universe. Same thing.
Believe the lies, be ashamed of the Swastika.
Seek and find the truth, and Love the SWASTIKA.
The FACTS are out there.
The TRUTH will set you free.
The Swastika is a very old symbol that represents ancient representation of fire, thunder, lightning, and prosperity. The Swastika is a symbol that was kidnaped and misused by the Nazi Party of Germany during WWII. But unlike the Hammer and Sickle which was used by the Communists to institute forced-Socialism and the death of millions beneath its’ mantle…the Swastika remains a symbol of hatred, when it should be reinstated as a symbol of prosperity. Only in politics of facism should it be removed. The symbol did not kill millions of people in WWII…the Nazis did.
Page Sausman
Boise,Idaho USA
How is it possible to make problems about a good symbol of peace and good luck!
We cannot change history.
If I had lived during the last war I certainly would have helped innocent people in danger.That does not mean we must bannish this symbol of good luck.I regret profoundly the bad luck of Jewish people who unfortunately suffered so much and they must understand the sign was not invented by Hitler.If this was the case then the sign can be forbidden.GOOD LUCK and like says the translation from the sanskriet:GOOD TO BE!For EVERYBODY who is not hurting other people!
I am at present suspended from work because i constructed a swastika out of magnetic counters on a notice board. i knew it had some ancient religious meaning,but it is only now from your website that i realise the world wide use of the symbol.when i did the one that i have beensuspended for i had no thought as to what it represented we all do different designs out of boredom with the magnetic counters none of which are a permanent fixture.
from your accounts i have discovered that it was a positive cross that i created, but it as resulted in my suspension so it cannot be that lucky.
Hilarious. Learn to spell then come back.
THE FOURTH REICH OF THE GERMAN NIGGERS OF ARGENTINA IS UPON US! ITZ COMING!!!!
You will know all in time.
Richard Reich said: “PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country”
WTF!!!! Sorry if i missunderstood, but you are saying that there is a National Socialist Parti in Argentina and is taking over the country??? Are you serious? Man, im from Argentina and you are way too wrong… sorry.
I took this site as it seems, a way to retrieve the swastika simbol from the nazis error, and im in favor, but is IMAO imposible because nazi ideology still remain…
I read the real meaning of the simbol as a child and since then im trying to explain to others that is a simbol of goodness, but people is just to afraid to be seen as nazis to acept it.
When I was a child (perhaps six years old) I saw a sketch about Nazis on the Freddie Star show. When I saw the swastika I immediately drew it, I thought it a very elegant symbol. It wasn’t until a few years later at school where I learned of the nazi useage. Now I’m 23, and aspire to Buddhism, and am once again very drawn to the swastika.
People misunderstand and call me a nazi all the time because I’ll set the swastika as my display picture on MSN and whatnot, but I’m sincerely trying to bring it back into positive light, educate people about where it came from and the beautiful things it stood for before the nazis adopted it (for the same beautiful reasons, I guess, they wanted the blessings it stands for) and for a few of my friends they respect it now. I’m not ready to start putting it on jewellery or t shirts or anything but I think I’m doing well in my personal quest to educate people about it. As such this site has my full support.
People don’t want to ban the cross because of the witch hunts of America and Europe in which thousands were killed, instead they focus on the positive things it stands for. I think it’s unfair that people are so unable to do the same for the swastika, but together I’m sure we can succeed
May your gods bless you.
Sorry but the reasons for which it is banned can be seen within the messages here.
It keeps the troublemakers in their places.
I am Chinese, when I came to America I stopped wearing my bracelets featuring them out of respect for America’s culture.
Show respect for other peoples’ cultures and other countries rights of sovereignty.
I think it’s really a great accomplishment of our society that organisations and websites like this one exist– it is a sign that we are beginning to move beyond the narrow-minded view of the swastika, propagated both by Nazi thugs and well-meaning, but foolish anti-fascists.
I hope that the message goes further, and that the swastika, as well as several other ancient symbols, are reclaimed from the Nazis and they’re destruction and murder may become like so many other bad dreams in European history.
To those responsible for this site: as the swastika says itself: Good life and good luck.
Ignoring facts doesnt make them untrue.
“Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees.”
I ignore desperate generalizations like that.
“For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, ”
You have to be kidding.
“This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country. ”
Ok, you are kidding.
“I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. ”
And a blockhead.
“It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. ”
So I guess the Byelorussian partisans just misunderstood those SS men shooting at them to shouts of “The Slavic race is the carrier of the Bolshevik bacillus!”
“It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.”
Whatever gets you through the day, man.
Well you clearly ignore the very fact that National Socialism has been practiced around the world to varying degrees. For example, take the 4th Reich of Barbie Klaus in Argentina, catering to a nation of EUROPEAN, not specifically just German, settler decendents. This has now grown into a very successful PNSARG which is currently taking control of the country.
This is but one example. I myself am a Russian – Aryan Nordic, therefore. There are three types of Aryans NS caters for : Alpinid Aryans, Nordic Aryans, Meditteranean Aryans, while providing support for Pan Aryans such as Iranian Northerners. It is a common misunderstanding that we are for Germans only. Anyone from USA to Russia, Norway to Italy, Argentina to Australia can revel in the joys of National Socialism, not just the Germans who fall into the same Aryan category as myself. Aggression from Communist Russia is what caused the Nazi-Soviet Pact to break down, while Roosevelt (Better known as ROSENFELT before (sound Jewish?) and the Allies all infiltrated by Zionist Jews were the ultimate agressors in the struggle.
It has continued since then, and once again, we are gaining the upper hand.
To all, A good Day!
“I can clearly see you are not interested in learning about NS at all,”
NS: Germans first, everyone else second. Simple as that, bro.
You German? $20 says no.
ESQUIZOFRENIA… SORRY
Liebe SJ.
That means squizophenia… See your doctor, inmediatly!!! Modern medicine can control that dissease.
Yours H
1989. It was after a Swing/Grave double shift(like those I have often worked and the one that I worked the previous night) that I had my first Swastika experience. I went to bed and fell sleep very quickly. After having been asleep for 5 minutes or so…I was semi-reawakened into sort of a trance state. I felt myself being lifted up and out of my body while experiencing a feeling of comfort and warmth. I then experienced a field of visual Easter yellow. My position changed from horizontal to vertical. The field of etheric yellow was around my awareness at all sides. I then became aware of being approached by or approaching an object which was black. The object grew in its perceived relative size as I perceived myself nearing it in proximity. The object turned out to be a two foot in diameter clockwise spinning Swastika. The legs were black and smooth while giving me the impression of being alive…almost insectoid. This whole experience only lasted a few moments. I woke back up and made a mental note(also I think I told my wife, who has since left me). Sometime later I noticed a curious addition to my daily field of vision. Anytime that I focus on what appears to a blurry dime sized flittering depression in the center of my field of vision, I see a small dime sized Swastika spinning clockwise within a translucent background. Like an ultra fine Swiss movement on a watch…only it is LCD in appearance. This does not impair my normal sight anymore than a dried raindrop upon a car windshield blocks the view of the driver. Except for times when I am just relaxing and spacing out and it involuntarily pops into focus, I have to look for and focus on it to see it. I can also see it with my eyes closed, only then it is smaller with a whitish background. The out of body thing has only happened once though. Why have men lied to us about the Swastika? If they don’t know, then why and what are they talking about as authorities for modern man?
Thank you for the very noble site. Would you like to see the swastika for yourself in its supersensible form? Try this sometime: when you are lying in your bed at night and have your eyes closed, look at the black visual screen created by your closed eyelids. After a few moments, you will notice a small pea sized circle of white luminescence in the center of the darkness; like a faint light at the end of a tunnel. If you are patient and allow yourself to view the circle of white light behind your closed eyelids, a small pea sized clockwise spinning swastika will appear in its center. Its just that simple.
Or you may try this: while lying on your back in bed in the morning after it becomes light, just relax and look at the ceiling above you in the center of your field of vision. You may soon notice a small translucent coin sized circular variation in the center of your visual perception, not unlike the appearance of a small circular coin sized heat wave. If you are patient, you will be able to bring a small coin sized clockwise spinning swastika into focus. This may actually be done anywhere at any time in the light, whether standing, sitting or lying down and against any backdrop…including the sky.
I sincerely hope that these tips may be helpful to more and more people as time goes by, for they are based upon my absolutely consistent experience for a period of twenty years. May the days of anxiety and stigma surrounding the misunderstanding of the swastika be once again and forever behind us as human beings.
I once put a Buddhist Swashstika picture on my site and its amazing how many people know nothing about its origins, i just got the stupid Americans with their anti Nazi, anti Communist remarks, stupid idiots!, i had a picture of Mao and they said your a Communist, i said, “If i had a picture of Donald duck, would i be a cartoon character? .
I agree with saving this symbol, i have tried to teach my children that this is not something evil but an expression of love and understanding.
Recently someone here in Helsinki, Finland was in the newspaper because they hung a Nazi flag on their wall in their flat that could be seen from outside.
For me i think that this is their right, and even though i am totally opposed to Nazism, it is important to uphold their freedom, as well as it is to uphold Buddhist and other religions that value it for religious reasons.
I remember the Seihks in UK had trouble because they wear swords at religious festivals, they tried to ban it, these symbols are important for cultures, such as in Scotland the Skien dubh worn with the Kilt.
“We can learn what we did not know. We are not only good at destroying the old world, we are also good at building the new. Complacency is the enemy of study. We cannot really learn anything until we rid ourselves of complacency. Our attitude towards ourselves should be “to be insatiable in learning” and towards others ” to be tireless in teaching.” Mao tse tung, from The little red book
Lots of wisdom in the world.
That would probably be because you have no convictions or morals.
‘Tolerance is the refuge of a man without conviction’ – Adolf Hitler.
I can clearly see you are not interested in learning about NS at all, and probably did not follow the link to the Jew’s webpage on the realities of Zionism. It is your choice, you much like a lot of America are clouded and have lost your moral compass, replacing it with the drivel that pro Isreali white politicians and Zionists have given you. Good luck to you sir.
88.
“To us the eight points stand for family, people, nation, fuhrer, respect, race, morality and future,”
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.
Would almost rather the rainbow swastika of the homos catch on than that moralistic drivel be attached to it.
I have to say, I am very unhappy with the word ‘Misuse’ of the Swastika. I am a National Socialist and I find it Ironic that an old organizational website URL used by the British Nazi Movement leads to this website by clicking links with Nazi associations! Now we National Socialists did not misuse the swastika. To us the eight points stand for family, people, nation, fuhrer, respect, race, morality and future, although these are often interchangable with other Nazi ideas of race and national prosperity. The claim that we murdered 6000000 Jews is ridiculous, and I would like to point everyone to http://www.realzionistnews.com for the truth about Nazism – by a Jew.
I just wanted to point that out. Thank you to all.
Heil Hitler.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offended by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. “Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts”. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
I would like to apologize to anyone who I may have unintentionally offend by my previous posts. I was once told that offending other people was my gift, my talent. A counterclockwise swastika is just a mirror image of what we each see spinning clockwise at a subliminal level of our own individual perceptual visual field of awareness. If one could see the swastika of another who was facing them…it would indeed appear to be spinning counterclockwise,. To my mind…that is an extrapolation and a possible attempt at subliminal control. Defer to me(the person facing you)…not to your own instincts,. If I have offend anyone…I apologize and I and very sorry.
From Rudolf Steiner:
During my visit to England where one had a wide view over the area, one could find such signs there, swastikas, a symbol used to create much mischief in Germany today. This swastika is now being worn by people who have no idea that it was once a sign used to indicate to people who came from a long way off that the people in that place saw not only with their physical eyes but also with the eye of the spirit.
While people have said a lot; I guess if you can’t actually see it for yourself, you just don’t really know.
Everyone has something to say about the swastika….but I haven’t found one other person who can actually see it.
There is a great deal of misunderstanding regarding symbols in general and the swastika is perhaps one of the greatest examples. There is a misconception, however, regarding the meaning of the swastika as it pertains to the direction in which it is pointing.
Native Americans, for example, used the swastika interchangeably in both directions…. sometimes within the same design. See the following link for a photo gallery…
http://www.freewebs.com/manwomans/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=4029063
This is true of Asian and other cultures as well… see the following gallery slideshow for examples…
http://heathenworld.com/swastika/Default.aspx
Please correct the information on your website.
Thank you!
Steiner means Rocker
Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) about the fylfot, the Swastika:
Christianity took that little what it needed, into its traditions, its cult, and then it vanquished the origins of those cults. In the original cults, there were a lot of elements, with enormous meaning inside; but everything was turned around and everything was interpreted differently.
And may I just add this personal note: The swastika does not belong to any one group such as the so called Nazis; but actually spins clockwise in the center of each of our individual perceptual fields of vision, just below our own personal conscious level of awareness. Seeing it consciously, in its non subliminal form, is a matter of sensitivity. The evil that men do…
Now i get why marshal had got so irratated with those who aren’t nazi and still use swastika.Cos many times it has been posted ere that the use of this symbol by nazi was illegal.
Certainly if this symbol had been adopted by an organisation headed by hitler,there must be lying some cause underneath.And as you ( mr.T ) have explained it,its good to know what did it mean for the nazi.
Even the development in the fields of science,technology,etc in germany during that era cant be denied.
But even a small leakage in the base of a beautiful bottle can make it futile.Sameways the racist activity,extermination camps,holocaust,etc effaced everything else. and made the world to hate anything associated with the defeating side.
While it might not be truth for everything but swastika emerged out to be as that hate symbol which had to bear the brunt.
There is also problems with that section of ppl.who use this symbol.But they are prejudiced by others as if they are perpetuating racism.
Marshal your comments regarding hindus,as i feel ,was out of context here./anyone can be ignorant.You me anybody.But we cant generalise any case.Instead we should take a person as a person.And judge him/her over his/her qualities and defects.
nazi,hindu,china,israel,america,japan,ireland,africa,
and many countries used this symble
infact hitlers swastika was not in anyway evil
and not only that it was never proven but no way as a few hundred million dead beat jews died
A. the population in germany for jewish community was not as much as they claim who died there
B. nazi party accepted jews in the army
four angles of the swastika
1.love
2.honor
3.respect
4.pride
the middle of the swastika represents nationalism for anglo/european/german society to come to gether with out war or hatred .
but jews also had a swastika
i hate dumb a** people
and those who go online talking crap is what i hate the most!!!
88
p.s. 88 means byebye and or goodluck in china
88 means H.H 8th letter in the alphabet
88= somes one birthday as in 1988
approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent. That number represented a reduction from the estimated 523,000 Jews living in Germany in January 1933; the decrease was due in part to emigration following the Nazi takeover in January. (An estimated 37,000 Jews emigrated from Germany during 1933.)
“I’ll tell you something. The average Indian knows very little about his religion, or India, or anything else. Some are ignorant of the most simple things, such as Hindu concepts or history. I agree with Naipaul one hundred percent. They don’t like to appear ignorant before a Westerner, but most Indians don’t know any more about their temples and writing and what-not than the tourists — many know a lot less.”
— nameless Indian professor in The Great Railway Bazaar
And marshal whom did you try to called mleccha?If you don’t know me,you certainly have no right.Malechha is the true word used for low ppl in sanskrit.And i’m arya.But i wasn’t liking to disclose it.But you prompted me.
One more thing.That i have concluded on talking to you is that.You have a perception of self superiority thats vague itself.In psychological terms its called superiority complex.
Otherwise you won’t be so rude in your posts.Why do you think others here are mindless blokes ?And the only intelligence gifted one is you?Haha.Its funny itself.
And why are you taking anything so personal that you have begun insulting others?That shows your impatient impulsive behaviour.
You talked bout genetics.Then you might be knowing humans originated first in africa.So all humans are related.And race kind of taxonomic unit can’t be applied to vast populations of humans.(although it can be applicable to animals).
And if you’re so right then why did you get so irritated when i had asked you not to insult the communities?It shows your arrogance.
You thought i’m threatened by you.You’re not a ghost.Lol.So why will i be afraid.Infact i liked the idea to read books.But you should also widen your thinking to deal with the opinions of others.Ok.
its really feel nice 2 read n look at different ancient holy symbols n their meaning.it feels like yes history is still alive.n nothing is hidden .as they say truth cannot b hide.
i will b very please to know that is there was any viking
who had tattooed an holy swastika symbol on his body.
i know it sounds crazy but if there was i would really like 2 know.
please reply.
thanks.
Hahaha.Acerbic and acidic both can be used interchangeably.And i am amazed by the way you dare to call me and others idiots.
And as per the genetics and linguistics are concerned these topics are much debated.And nothing can be concluded firmly.And as per i have seen on different sites,there are excerpts from some researches that counterquestion the amt.
As per your thinking that you’re the one with the right knowledge ,its seems funny itself.And for your kind information,no where in the vedas there is the mention of home land and invasion of foreign land.
And if i had asked you to talk not bad for others was in a polite sense.
But if you haven’t got that sense then its your fault.Ok.
Also you aren’t entitled to tell me what i’m required to do or not.Similarly you can’t tell me whats my ability to extrapolate any matter.Or i’m not here to get your certificate of intellectuality. Your racist way of thinking unravels your attitude.
And one more thing.If you ask who own the right of swastika,then my answer would be .Anyone who like it, praise it, honour it, revere it has the right to own it.Its the symbol used in the eternal religion of this world the sanatan dharma.And if marshal you want to keep your hakenkruz with yourself then thats good.But don’t engage swastika in this petty and frivolous fight.
U GUYS R STUPID!!! the swastika is nothin but trouble so i say burn the swastika!!!! STUPID POOP HEADS!!
Now it seems marshal you’re getting too acidic.
That’s “acerbic”. I am not a citrus fruit.
If i’m not scholar then you’re also not.
Logic fit for a child.
Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?
Yes, the Rig Veda is full of topographical imagery whose source can only be to the north; this has been borne out by archaeological and, more importantly, genetic research (introduction of genetic sequences associates with steppe / LGM Refuge Europids). But you’re not asking for proof, really, nor would you accept any.
Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
I, myself, do not. But there are these strange men called “scientists”, who arrange themselves in evern stranger little subsets — of “linguists”, “archaeologists”, and the most arcane group of all: the “geneticists” — who are empowered to peep into and interpret the past. Sounds incredible, I realize.
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Nor did I say any new ideas originated with you: you’d have to have a greater measure of intellect for that. What you do is parrot the superficial lies & rumors of thousands of others like you, because that’s what the nationalist pandits have given you to believe. Time to come out of the Cave, “Lisa”.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.
There are many, but there are many more people being prompted to shut their eyes to race and chirp “there is no race here!” in unison. You’re one of them. Congratulations.
Yeah there could be variation.
All of human “diversity”, i.e. genetic variation, smugly thrust aside with a “yeah” and a “could be”. Love it.
So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.
I understand that you feel threatened by confronting someone who actually knows what he’s talking about. All I can say is, you read some books too. Anyone can do it. It isn’t hard, and you learn cool things which you can then bring to bear on idiots like you used to be.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel entitled to dictate to me what I should and shouldn’t do, “Lisa”.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
Damn right, mleccha.
i hope people will find a new hate symbol so they can stop using the swastica. i think that most people dont actually know what the symbol originally stands for. but then again, i dont think most people care.
Now it seems marshal you’re getting too acidic. If i’m not scholar then you’re also not.(cos you’re aimed to prove yourself only.A person who is self centered.)
Next you think that reading books is far more important.Thanks for that suggestion.But may i ask you one thing?Have you yourself read the scriptures of aryans ,the vedas?Is there anywhere mentioned there that they had come from a foreign land?Or should i think that you have got the powers to peep into the past so that you can firmly say aryan migrate to and not from india?
Now new ideas doesn’t mean that these ideas are originated by me. It means looking at that part of a thing which most ppl deny.
Next thing .we all are homo sapiens.Human beings.So there is no question about race.Yeah there could be variation. But we all are humans.So by mentioning the name of any book or anything you can’t assert that you are right.Cos there could be research related books telling the vice versa.
One more thing.You should not talk bad of any community.Be they jews or hindu or anyone else.Otherwise it will show your narrow mindedness.
You asked bout the meaning of swastika as a lucky charm.Now get the meaning yourself.As it is derived from sanskrit it means one that lets the good happen.And we can’t judge one’s faith on scientific parameter. Ok
Now lets move on to the question of its association with nazi.Whatever might be the cause ,we all know that due their deeds this symbol has been doomed.
And what we are focussed towards is to clear that misconception.
But i’m really clueless what to infer from your posts.
Do you want to support the nazi association of this symbol?
Given these ideas, who do you think are the chief demonizers of the Swastika?
Stop pussyfooting. Say Jews.
But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.
Because they aren’t new thoughts, but platitudinous rumors circulating on the internet among disgruntled Indians, wiccans, homosexuals, and idiots. You’re not a scholar. You’re not a philosopher. You’re not original or brilliant. You’re not entitled to speak about meaning-reassignment apart from your internet connection and ability to type in pidgin English. Yet, this is exactly what you feel. Saying you have “new thoughts” feels good, makes you feel original, “progressive”; obviously, then, it’s much more a nebulous self-congratulatory rhetoric than anything substantial about the swastika itself.
And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
By pandits with a socio-political agenda, yes. Aryans migrated all over the place; you should acquaint yourself with some real scholarship in this field — to take one of many, Anthony’s “The Horse, The Wheel and Language”. It’s time to get your head out of internetland and into the books. Real ideas, real history await.
s i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.
Sure, India has seen many inhabitants: negritos, Mongoloids, Dravidians (Elamite or Mediterranid), various tribes and waves of Aryans, Huns, and so on. What you mean to say is: you learned from your college textbook, or some pandit / Hindutva website, that the Aryans “came from India”, not the reverse. I tell you, this is a lie. If you choose to do some real research and abandon your probably ethnic interest in believing the lie, wonderful.
Swastika is the symbol of good luck.
Not really, but it sounds pretty, and people these days care more about sounding pretty and nice than being correct.
Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Because it “symbolizes” more than what it does to Hindoos, and I question if it symbolizes anything at all to Hindoos themselves, or is rather just something to adorn flags and toilet paper roll wrapping with. It’s pointless to talk about “meaning” at that point, but obviously it “symbolized” more than “good luck” to the German irredentist movement, and the Nazi Party which took it over. If the swastika isn’t “originally” Indian, we must look for it elsewhere and ask ourselves what it “meant” to them; we find the earliest examples closest to the Celtic heartland, i.e. Bohemia, which is precisely where the Nazi Party had its origin. So who has a “right” to the swastika?
.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
Try walking down the street in Germany with a Doppeladler on your jacket sleeve. See how far you get without trouble of some kind.
I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
Neither do you, nor any other history.
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Hmmm.Marshal.I had read your post.But i couldn’t understand why you called opening to new thoughts is politicised falsehood.Moreover you had said that the concept of blue eyes and blonde hair as propagated by hitler wasn’t totally wrong.Now i couldn’t undertand how it could be possible.As i have studied that the aryan were the inhabitants of indian subcontinent.And the aryan migration theory is also not well accepted.
Next thing.Swastika is the symbol of good luck.And we all (admirer of this symbol) want it in its that way.Its also a good geometric figure.Then why you think it would defame or alter its meaning.
Now you had also asked about rest symbols.Eagle was also a nazi symbol.Has it been abolished?
One more thing you asked whether we are talkin bout symbol or weapons.
See that was a comparison.Can a symbol be more dangerous than a deadly weapon?Isn’t it ignorance to hate a symbol cos once it was attached with nazi?I can certainly say.many ppl who dislike it , don’t even know its history themselves.
Regardless of the cultural use of the Swastika, it is ridiculous and insulting that legislators would move to ban it when the old symbol of Soviet Russia does not even come under scrutiny. The Hammer and Sickle are worn on t-shirts, adorn posters, flyers, and album covers and was even the stage back drop for alt-country artist Steve Earle on one of his tours. Russia was the consummate enemy of the U.S. and Josef Stalin was responsible for his 25 million dead. Given these ideas, who do you think are the chief demonizers of the Swastika?
PLEASE SOLVE THE SECTION ABOUT “SYMBOLISM” IN MANY CULTURES IT WAS/IS ONLY POSITIVE,
And it was “only positive” when the Nazis used it. Your interpretation of that use is negative, though you’ve merely taken your cue from the victors of the War.
PLEASE SOLVE THE SECTION ABOUT “SYMBOLISM” IN MANY CULTURES IT WAS/IS ONLY POSITIVE, NEVER MIN ID IT IS COUNER OR CLOCKWISE!
“The swastika certainly is not an Aryan Symbol. It was in use in the far east and india from about 2000BC”
And who do you think is responsible for the Vedic, and later Buddhist society which spread the symbol over the Asia, genius? The people who self-identified as “Aryans”.
See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.
When you have entire websites with people anxiously and eagerly parroting the lie that the swastika is a “universal” symbol — meaning independently created by various peoples rather than spread by cultural borrowing — and not originally Aryan / Indo-European, which it is, and by whom it was spread to other cultures, then yes, it very much is a matter of putting to rights the question of origin.
The question is about the stigma attached to it.
The stigma is “attached” by Jews and Americans. Perhaps we should worry more about detaching Jewish taboos and stigma from our minds than making the swastika idiot-friendly?
Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?
Because, semantically, “reclamation” alters the ideational and historical content of the symbol: you don’t want it to be Aryan, which it is, and you don’t want it to be associated with the Nazis anymore, which it is and always will be, with good reason.
Hitler used it and defamed it .
Let me say this again, though it’s rather like repeating things to children who don’t want to listen. Hitler himself did not “use” it, just like Hitler himself did not “kill six-million Jews”. The Volksdeutsch movement of Austria and German-Bohemia began using it in the late 19thC., and why shouldn’t they — the Celts, precursors of the wandering Germans, originated in Bohemia and Austria. Who has more right to the symbol them — the people who created it and have been symbolizing their will with it for at least two millennia, or you? You see it is not reclamation at all, but in fact theft. It is you all who want to “steal” and “defame” (alter the meaning of) the swastika.
a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?
You can’t name any others.
Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
Because your “new thoughts” are politicized falsehoods. And some of us are smarter than that.
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?
Um. We’re talking about a symbol, not weapons.
The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Thank the Jews for it. What can I say. The Jews have created your opinion about the swastika.
And to some other fool —
“Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.”
You need to read more books. Start with John V. Day’s Indo-European Origins: The Anthropological Evidence.
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
Your more circumspect approach is appreciated. But there’s no need to “rehabilitate” the swastika in the West, and indeed it is impossible without first removing the manufacturers of the taboo itself — Jews.
Sorry all, this problem is much bigger than you realize.
I am not religious but I was born a Hindu. When I was in India Swastika was an integral part of most of the Indians daily life. Whenever swastika was mentioned or displayed people took it for its true meaning i.e. well being or good luck.
I am now residing in the US and it irritates when people relate the swastika to the Nazis. (I do not mean to single out US but it is the only other country I have ever been to).
I say ‘irritates’ rather than ‘offend’ because I understand people have a right to believe whatever they want. But it irritates me because it has become such a taboo that even an open discussion is looked down upon.
I read in some of the posts that people would like actively do something rather than just talk about it.
I have created a Facebook group called ‘Bringing Swastika Back’ http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4947269&ref=profile#/group.php?gid=83839313754
In this group I have proposed an idea for bringing the original meaning of swastika back. Swastika nowadays is connected to the Nazis because it was the symbol used for evil. I propose that if we start using Swastika to spread goodness it might soften peoples views towards it.
If you are a member of Facebook ( I am not getting paid by facebook to promote it) and want to do something different join my group and see whats all about.
Ahh.So nasty.Candy.If you cant propose your thoughts then you shouldn’t post crap either.Your words reflected your thinking and level of intellectual.May god show you right way to behave.!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck over it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
i think this is so dumb people do not know how to think for them selves so get the fuck ovoe it and handle your shit cause we do not like hearing about it anymore so get the fuck over it !!!!!
Thanks ivan
its you Who is empowering this quest for swastika.Keep that spirit up !!
Yeah i agree the anonymous.The notion that the aryan ppl had blue eyes and blonde hair is wrong.Infact they were the inhabitants of indian sub continental areas.And they had a distinct civilisation as well.
For the record, the use of the swastika in India was by the real Aryan race which occupies, and has occupied, the areas of India and Persia for a long time.
Hitler’s definition of and Aryan as blonde hair and blue eyes was misguided and should not be perpetuated.
Hey Lisa. Welcome back.
As usual you are the strength of the day.
Hey all.Back after long time.
Hmmm.Regarding the post of marshal.See the matter is not whether its aryan symbol or anyone’s else.The question is about the stigma attached to it.Now how could you say that its lying to reclaim it?Explain my dear what you want to say.Hitler used it and defamed it .So we want to abolish it.Ok. a lot of other symbols were also used but is there anyone talking to ban them too?Naah cos it would be too crazy.Then why don’t we apply the same logic for swastika?Its like being stagnant with the time of 40’s .Why don’t we open ourselves for new thoughts?
We all know what happened in hiroshima.But has the development of atomic bombs really been banned?The nuclear device which took away the lives of many and made many to suffer due to radiation/but instead we aim on hating swastika!Whats a logical world !!/
Ivan.Here you see .Nothing can come out of this discussion.In the beginning i were very optimistic but now i think.Something real and practical is required.
But i’m really happy to find ppl like you stephen adave and flea and many more who still like swastika amidst all prejudice.Thanks to you all.
I think the swatsika should be reclaimed because it does not jus symbolizes the nazis and the harsh times it symbolizes good and to be. it actually originated in india and hitler jus gave the nazi symbol a bad name now jus because he did that now everyone thinks that it jus represents the nazi
Exactly. Two swallows don,t make a summer
what if cross was used by nazi party?
Well put Stephen and I wish you power to ovwercome the foggy ones who think you you are mad for using the Swastika. I have one on my rifle butt and some say the same thing untill I point out the true meaning. Then they don’t like it because I have at the same time made them look ignorant, but if the cap fits, wear it.
The swastika certainly is not an Aryan Symbol. It was in use in the far east and india from about 2000BC
the swastika is a beautiful symbol because i have one on my wall my family and freinds think im crazy but i know the truth of the symbol as a peaceful icon not a hate.
So we are all liars are we. I don’t think so.
What do you think Lisa?
Like it or not, the swastika is an Aryan symbol.
It isn’t Cherokee, Papuan or Korean. It’s Celtic, Hittite, Italic, Vedic — all reflexes of the Indo-European culture which devised it. If other cultures received it, it was due to Aryan involvement in those cultures.
The Nazis used it because the irredentist folk-German movement from which they arose used it; the latter used it because the Celts, originally from a small valley in Austria not far from Hitler’s own birthplace, used it first as primitive Aryans.
You can’t efface history, but you can lie about it. “Reclaiming” is lying. Perhaps we should all reclaim our Indo-European identity — European, American, Indian and others — from the absurd guilt complex laid on us by the Jews?
Yeah.Ivan.Now it seems it has become a place just to listen to each other’s thoughts and nothing just to do.It would be far better if the creators of this site has converted it into any social networking site.Lol.Atleast then ppl might be coming here !!
From the very moment i get to this site.I wondered who is the owner of this site.And whats the purpose.Whats their motive.Just by posting thoughts we are not gonna reclaim swastika.Ground level efforts are required.But there is no mention of any group /campaign or any thing else.Who are the creators?Atleast tell bout yourselves.And why have you created this platform?
I think we have come to a conclusion. No one is interested. You and I are alone and as neither of us started the debate, I have to ask where is the creator and why have they dried
Ivan.Then what should be done?And how?Here i feel that only you and me are parting in this debate.Ppl sometime make some comments.But then there’s no further activity.We are hoping more from all.We need the comments from those who don’t want it and why?Then only through logic we will be able to reach any conclusion.But as you’re witnessing the active participation of ppl are very less.
Thats the problem Lisa. We cannot change ignorance and bad education now. We can only try to educate, but what you are educating is part pork and part solid ivory you are on a hiding to nothing. Ivory from the neck upwards will take nothing in. I sometimes fell that some folk are just about aware that they are alive.
Recently searching about indian cultural meaning of swastika ,i got through the following site.
http://vishwamohan.blogspot.com/2006/10/spiritual-meaning-of-swastika.html
If anyone interested can go to that site .A lot of information is available.
Yeah ivan.Quite right.Here we’re finding some ppl with common thoughts and some with contrasting ones.But what can we do in real?Its not the question of just a symbol but the question of myth attached with it.I mean in west such a great stigma is attached with it that it seems just impossible to remove it.And how can we really spread the right notion and meaning of swastika among the masses.Ppl might think-what the hell to do with it?But that means sheer ignorance.It cant help out anyone.Without knowing the proper meaning and value of something it utterly sounds biased to ban something.We are posting our thoughts.But is that really gonna change the mentality of ppl to any extent.I really doubt it.
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic)
i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
ban the colors the nazis used im sure it would have been unique ,considering they thought themselfs the master race ,hey sound like something out of the sience fiction sieriel “doctor who”theres more to the world than a merry ka and europe ,not being very religious my self (brought up as chatholic
0 i still belive in religious freedom and free speach ,and banning this flag dont hide the fact of what the nazi’s done or attempted to do to other races and religions ,
As lisa says It is not doing a deal just talking about the swastika and it’s positive sides. I joined this group thiniking that something coujld be done to get the symbol recognsed as a peacefull shape. Up to now it seems the group consists of Lisa and I and a couple others. It is nice to make friends but there could be more of us.
I wonder why the arms and ammunition aren’t banned which cause terror.Instead we engage ourselves in petty things like banning a symbol etc etc.Now this its the age of globlisation .Even if now we will pull east and west apart.Then that would so outdated.There should be the exchange of knowledge customs and culture.The partiality towards a particular symbol shows how ignorant we are infact.We sometimes burn our hand in fire.But can we ban it.Or can we forget what are its advantages(every one knows) .Similarly the swastika can have a positive note underneath.We should try to focus at that aspect.And having prejudice towards someone having that symbol is totally wrong.Its injustice.
Umm.I don’t know ivan whether using counterclockwise or clockwise is right.But certainly i don’t like the way its portrayed in nazi flag.I mean at 45 degree tilt.Anyways this site is very nice for having us proposing our thoughts.But how can we practically raise our voice for reclaimin swastika.I mean is there any group or something.Or even that is illegal?Let me know if you have some idea.
Lisa has it right. I am also glad she mentioned the wheel as the theory is that a swastiks is a spinner, in it’s counter clockwise format it turns to the left gathering the power of light. This explains Hitlers devotion to the clockwise version gathering the powers of darkness. This is why I use the counterclockwise version as do many including the Hindu’s who put a great deal of faith in it.
And apart from its cultural meaning this symbol also has a beautiful design.I mean if you’ll notice it ,you’ll find its like a wheel ,a rotating one.Its really a nice geometric design.Ppl shouldnt really ban it./Ivan yeah i know this symbol cant take away the life of any person.In the end its human who is responsible for any massacre. i only meant,swastika should be welcomed by all. this symbol might invoke their(victims’) previous fear.But that was the past.Now time has changed.And ppl get to change.But only if they feel easy.They shouldnt be forced.For example once you’ll have a drowning experience you might even fear water.But other wont.Other shouldnt be stopped from swimming.Likewise others shouldnt be barred from using swastika.And every one with this symbol shouldnt be related to nazi.Thats my plea to all.
Proffessor Eagle Owl. You have hit the nail right on the head. Re-education is the only answer. I too have pointed out the reason for my swastika but in vane with 1/2 of the population of my town being stuck in the mud of the 1940’s and the other 1/2 being thick as shit, I find I am beating on an empty drum. I say nothing unless asked but now feel unlike wasting my breath. Hitler has a lot to answer for
The swastika obviously has a very long, beautiful, and mainly peaceful history. Sadly, for many in the western world it shall for ever be tarnished thanks to its use by the Nazi party. This however does not prevent me from educating those as to the symbols true, peaceful meaning. I have swastikas around my house, on web pages, and on my being, and am continually being referred to as a Nazi. I inform these individuals of the facts, sadly many still do not take heed. Educating kids from a young age is the answer for me. It is about time the symbol became known for the right reasons again. Peace.
I have to say that I have been pulled on two occasions for wearing my St George badge and told that it is offensive to certain cultures. Now here in the UK I find this unnaceptable. St George id our patron saint and I shall not remove it. Anyone who does not like it can look the other way. I feel the same about my swastika which I carry in a case in my pocket.
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The swastika was in use somewhere around 2000 bc an was uased by Adolf Hitler for a lot less years than that. Although millions were murdered by the Nazi Swastika wearers I don’t see the symbol is to blame and should not have to be covered by toses of us who wish to use it today. My red , counter clockwise swastika sits on its feet and gives great pleasure. The black clockwise swastika of the Nazi culture sits on it toes and looks to be falling backwards. It cannot gather the spirit of light in that position. It was our swastika that was taken and Bastardised by that mad Boheimian and due to some very narrow minded people today there cannot be seen the difference.
Aptly said matthew.A symbol could have dual meaning for two cultures.And it would be quite injustice to ask the sufferers accept the icon that was once used during their torture.I mean they shouldnt really be forced.But the question is not that.The question comes for that proportion of ppl for whom the symbol has some special meaning.And those who had no part in the suffering of the innocents.Should they be bar from using swastika as their holy symbol?I think then that would be really racist.What do you think?
I think it’s too optimistic to assume that the swastika can be “reclaimed.” I know that at one time and for many people still today it is a positive image, but the fact is that meanings of symbols or words can change over time to the point where they have nothing to do with their original meaning. I think the deep association it has now has damaged its imagery irrevocably. However, I still wish you luck in your endeavors; it would be nice to have one more positive symbol in the world.
Thanks ivan.Infact i got to this site after googling for swastika.I had my vacation from school so i decided to do something interesting.I thought to know bout different religions and cultures and different areas.I begin with hinduism.And through wiki yahoo etc.I got a lot of information.Then i thought about swastika.And decided to know bout it in details.I knew it was once also attached with nazi.And i was confused how they got it.Anyways then after reading about the ban in germany i was really shocked.My emotions are always with those who were the victims of holocaust.But i was equally surprised that SWASTIKA has also became a victim. But i hope the true meaning and sacred value of this symbol will come into light one day.Thanks to all.
Thanks ivan.Thanks a lot.
619 An Indian.
Very nice of you to bless us. You are right with your post and I thank you for joining in.
.See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
See .I just wanna say .By banning swastika which is used by over a billion ppl as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousity ,no one can propagate love.BeCause hatred spreads hatred.And forgiveness spreads love.Now how could be a mere symbol responsible for the death of millions of innocent lives?Its the mentalility of the person or group.The ego ,the feeling of racism ,the pseudo attitude of superiority are the reasons behind such acts which ashames humanity for centuries.But you cant blame a symbol.Or by banning it you cant eradicate the root cause of racism.Now i’m really glad that many ppl from west are supporting that banning swastika wont be a right decision.Instead those persons or groups should be banned which use any symbol for propagating hatred.Thats all.May god bless you all.
Ashley my man. There is no problem using the name Adolph. It’s well noted though that the name Hitler seems to be unused these days. He had relatives so what went wrong? Thhe answer is they changed their names and a lot of them pledged never to have children in case his genes carried on.
The swastika is a symbol for peace and health. In its counter clockwise version the Hindu’s also use it as a symbol of good luck. It has been around since about 200 BC and was only bastardised once by Adolph BHitler and his national Socialist buddies.
Thousands of years of pleasant aknowledgment was wiped out by one sawn off little bastard and has never been the same since. That is why this group has come into being to try and get the symbol back on stream. It’s power is of the mind, just like the lucky rabbits foot.. I could never understand that one. It was never lucky for the rabbit.
You know,when Ms.Fu told us about tolorance,she mentions HItler.I don’t want to say his first name,becuase some people will know that I am talking about him. I want to know how powerful is the precious swastika,and how the Nazi’s dameged it’s great symbol.Now…it has two meanings.
I agree, the swastika needs to mean what it really means, or we will have lost a war we still think we’ve won… Although I prefer the “counter clockwise swastika” to the one you seem to be using.
I have a right turning swastika tattoo set within a six petaled lotus flower. Three diferent individuals have added to this swastika: a man of Japanese decent who had early memories of being brought by his parents to a buddhist temple where there was a large buddha statue with a swastika painted on its forehead, a woman who was born on an israeli kibbutz who also had a swastika on her forearm, and a young woman of jewish decent who had relatives who had survived the holocaust.
The sacred meaning of the swastika should be recaimed.
i learned about the swastika by doing a research papaer on it and before i didnt know much about it but now i am glad i do. Before i thought it was a very bad sign that hitler used on his flag but now that i have done research on it i have learned that it is a good luck sign in other in other countries and that it a very respected sign. i think that the swastika is a good sign! people just think of it as a bad sign because hitler used it. they have no idea about its history and what it really means to certain countries. i would love to change the minds of everyone and tell them about how good the swastika really is. we need to stad up for this sign and spread the wotrd that its a good sign!
I would love to reclaim it as the symbol of peace as it once was. However, I know that if this ever got into any real form of debate and went to the courts. The instance a ‘Holocaust’ survivor steps in the room… before even speaking of the horrors they suffered and endured for so long, the debate would end before it even began.
What has to happen is, people have to come to terms with the fact that, yes, it was the symbol of the ‘Nazi Party’ and for a period of five years, horrible atrocities were committed under many a banner with the Nazi symbol above. This however takes away from the fact that, the swastika did not in any way, shape or form commit these crimes, but rather people wearing this symbol, or under the symbol committed said crimes.
It is almost too much to bear when listening to people speak of the evils committed and then realise that they are only appealing to our emotions through said crimes. They are not trying to see that other people use this symbol, which is not associated with Hitler or the hate bred underneath his rule. The people opposed to this are simply trying to erase everything connected to this awful period of time and although what they are doing is more than understandable, it is however in vain, for the Nazis have been defeated for the last 64 years now and such horrible events will never take place again due to such cautions taken after the war and during the new governments that followed the fall of ‘The Third Reich’.
The symbol its self, for five-thousand years has been a symbol of peace and used throughout the world as such. In conclusion, the people underneath this symbol, during WW2, were the ones who committed the crimes and have all met their fates at the hands of legal systems and reprisals at the end of gun points and pitchforks of the victors. Although few escaped, they have all met their end at the hands of time. After so long, it is time to look past symbols and words and look at the ideals, ideals which prompted such barbarism, and for many to go over sea and land to fight against these ideals.
Symbols don’t kill people, people kill people.
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in the gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
Is well know the Maya culture use the Swastika as a cosmic symbol… and some groups of mountaineers in México use that symbol in a modern style, some of this was publisher in thesd gallery of this site, months ago.
Mexica Tihui !!!
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
The swastika can also be found in the American Indian culture.
There is a photo of Jacqueline Kennedy in her teenage years, wearing a Native American costume with a big swastika on it.
Look it up in the internet.
What does it matter what anyone thinks in the World. The Swastika has existed as a symbol of Power in one form or another since Man started thinking for Himself. It doesn,t matter to me if you are Believers or Non-Believers. What does matter is that I can stay a Dis-Believer, and not care aboit a few squiggly-lines.
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I am sure that there is a lot of ignorance around. Take my wife for example (please take her as far as you can) She would not know a Hindu swastika from a garlick bulb. The swastika to her means Hitler and that is that. Sadly she is not on her own.
Millions of people died under the Hammer and Sickle Comunist Symbol, but it doesn’t seem to offend anybody to see a person walking around wearing a t-shirt bearing it.
But if you wear a t-shirt with a buddist swastica on it, they would try to arrest you or lynch you.
Why is it like that?
Is it because it offends Jewish people?
Hello again!
I note that on your page here:
http://reclaimtheswastika.com/symbolism/
…it’s stated that there’s a ‘positive’ and a ‘negative’ swastika. This is somewhat misleading if we take the symbol, as it’s been used, across the globe throughout its prodigously long history. The notion of one direction being negative should not, in any way, be taken as meaning evil or bad. Negative in this sense relates to the feminine aspect of the symbol. We find swastika symbols relating to the moon which take the supposed ‘negative’ rotation, and many other aspects. It would be good to emphasize that this idea of positive and negative is based on dualist thinking systems: seeing one side as good as the other as bad, which is not what the reverse swastika is representative of. Examples highlighting this are legion. Please let’s not fall prey to simplistic Judaeo-Xtian notions of right & wrong, good & bad, when we see this ancient symbol. It’s nature is much more expansive than those reductionist terms and perspectives.
Anyway – soz about the rant!
All the best – Paul
We should have a Svastica society with it’s own badge.
people should not say things such as the swastika is a sign of hatred as it is only believed like so because of hitler who actually stole the symbol from the hindus. For the people who come from india the swastika means good luck but for the people who come from fiji have a another meaning for it i only know the 2 parts and they are love and life there are another 2 but i don’t know them. Hitler did do a lot of bad things but stealing a sacred symbol is just not cool. this might sound very funny coming from a 14 (15 this year) old girl but it is true. I hate the hatred around. i have gotton my self more involved in this type of situation oly after i read the book ‘the boy in the striprd pyjamas’ please look this up and see that the swastika is only a symbol of hate only because of hitler otherwise it is a peaceful symbol.
14 (15 this year) girl from Auckland New Zealand is a concerned citizen
please look up all that hitler did you might find out more of the truth.
The movie ‘the boy on the striped pyjamas’ has come out in New Zealand and many other countries, i know it comes out later in some countries but that doesn’t matter watch this movie. i can assure you, you will remember some scenes.
Best of Luck
Excellent website! This has always been my favourite symbol since I saw the Swastika Stone, Ilklkey Moor when I was 10 year old (see it here – http://megalithix.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-swastika-stone-ilkley-moor/ ). The earliest known swastika comes from eastern Europe and dates from between 15,000-18,000 BC. Earlier than the great Hindu mythos! But somewhere, niggling at the back of my mind, tells me there’s an example from around 20,000 BC, carved onto mammoth tusks in western Russia – but don’t quote me on that one! Keep up the good work on this website!
All the best – Paul (Megalithix)
The swastika (sanskrit Svasti) is a beautiful thing if taken in the right context. Since Hitler used it to symbolize his NAZI Party weak minded people and ignorant people have branded it as evil. Nothing could be further from the truth.
AS a symbol of love faith and good luck it is worn under clothing by more people than it is imagined. I am a little different as I wear it under and over depending on the wether.
We should take it back and have it recognised for what it realy is.
I look forward to reading this website regularly.
I see a dark side of “freedom of speech” here.
WHITE POWER
i totally agree. i hate what the jews have done to the once noble swastika a.k.a. hakenkreuz. i want to see it flying on every lightpole, on every streetcorner, across this great land!!
Sieg Heil!!!
Who is the author of this website. Possibly in MLA format? I’m using this for imformation and i need a credit.
The raven has called somebody “a idiot”. I’d just like to say people need to grow up and not let everything bother them. I’m a gun toting protestant white man and nothing offends me. Wear black power, kill whitey, or anything offensive and see if i care.
As for curtiss, the skinhead scene came from the working class and branched off into different political beliefs. The ignorant are responsible for it’s recognition with white supremacy.
Hail Hitler
Ok, so…
1 we should ban the cross out of respect for the millions of people murdered, burnt at a stake, tortured in the name of it; entire cultures were eradicated, see latin America.
2 we should ban the Israeli star out of respect for the countless Arabs and Palestinians killed, evicted or otherwise victims in its name.
3 we should ban the American flag out of respect for the countless Japanese, Vietnamese, Native Americans who were murdered in its name.
Do we agree that an unjustly murdered person is…an unjustly murdered person or is there a pecking order?
I am sure most will consider the above proposals absurd…think again…entire cultures/nations were eradicated in the name of the above.
The European Parliament?
What did they do to avert the financial crisis that pulverized billions in poor people’s life savings?
NOTHING.
Too divided…there’s the free market…we’d better name a committee that will name a commission that will issue a report in five years’ time…
Let’s play cool passing laws against deceased dictators…
I see the meaning of both forms of svastica were discused here. So why infos in “symbolism” are *still8 the same as they were? Does author thinks that his explaination is the only true and correct one?
WHY DON`T WE DROP THE BOMB AND HAVE DONE WITH ALL THIS SHIT ?
Yes the symbol have been used by a idiot… and now it is time to take it back.. But as a note to you “pinetree “.. You say it is a symbol of death etc.. Yes it is that for the moment.. and so was the cross for millions before too.. and what about the symbols for a muslim today?.. What ever have been can be undone. And i think its time to take back the positive meaning in all the symbols we have. Millions died during WW2…. and we wont forget that.. But why not selebrate them by making something bad in to something good like it ones was.
Whatever it used to mean is not what this symbol stands for now.
Hatred and White Power etc etc.
A clown adopted it and now even bigger dipsticks rally round saluting it.
The symbol of death for millions who once lived
I learned about the swastika’s true meanings around the same time I was learning about WWII and Hitler in school. After finding out as much as possible, I branded the right-facing (?) swastika into the forearm of my left arm, and have been proudly showing it off since. I have had many problems with certain individuals because they thought it was there for malicious reasons. I’ve told them all the same thing. ‘I am a peaceful being who wants the right to mark or adorn their body as any other person. I do not hate anyone who does not bring hatred or cruelty into others’ lives. If you are in that category then maybe you have a reason to be upset.’ I was thinking of covering it with a tattoo of a different version of a swastika with other decorations so people can differentiate but why? If close-minded people can look at it and think it was a hateful symbol born in Germany then I’ll tell them the same thing every time and they’ll be the ignorant ones, not I.
Stand proud with your swastikas. I do.
Hi All,
I am happy to find this site as I believe that this ancient and revered symbol should not be stained by its extremely brief Nazi use. It has a rich and varied history that should be understood and promoted in the interest of peace and understanding. To ban its use is giving in to the fascist state that stood for all that is opposite to the tenets of the religions and cultures that have used this symbol for thousands of years.
I read in the previous post that the anticlockwise version represents a negative aspect. To counter that, I found this on Wikipedia:
The symbol as it is used in Buddhist art and scripture is known in Japanese as a manji (literally, “the character for eternality” ??), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. When facing left, it is the omote (front) manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).
To read the full article follow this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
If we are to learn anything from the mistakes of world history, surely it is to promote greater understanding of others’ beliefs and cultures, not to hide them!
Long live the swastika!
To the creator of this website,
You write that a Sanskrit scholar, “Sarkar, explained that the swastika has both a positive (clockwise) and a negative (the anticlockwise swastika) expression” in your ’symbolism’ section of this website.
And then that,
‘He then went on to warn those present not to use the negative swastika, explaining that it brings total annihilation, while the positive swastika brings total victory.’
But here I would like to draw your attention to the Yungdrung Bön tradition that is 18′000 years old and still intact today as a valid spiritual path. It had used the ‘negative’ swastika for a long time, but readers may get the impression that something like Yungdrung Bön is an evil or negative cult, which is naturally not the case.
It’s silly to think a swastika one way or the other really changes its effects. I’d take out the comment of this if it were me, and I would suggest that you do so to avoid misunderstanding for people who come on this website.
Thanks
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wow, how ignorant some people are. the swastika is a symbol of peace and love. the nazi’s couldn’t think of their own symbol, so they decided to smash the reputation of one of the most beautiful and peaceful symbols in the world. thanks a fucking lot. now, peacful, religious, people are being falsely thought of as a member of a group based on hate. how very sadly ironic. ? peace, love, and harmony?
Now I’ve been getting a lot of mail about the use of Swastikas in the Philippines. Just to make things clear Swastikas really have no negative meaning in the Philippines. Strangely enough, many people don’t realize that the Swastika was a religious symbol long before it was a symbol for the Nazi party. The people displaying Swastikas on their sidecars may very well be Buddhist, Hindu, or Jainists, as the Swastika is a symbol used in those religions and yes they do exist in the Philippines. Just an addition, there are several Chinese temples in Cebu City itself. In one particular Chinese temple they use Swastika symbols. It is found near the Reclamation area or just behind the old White Gold establishment. I hope the temple is still there. The area is a bit rough and not a good place to be at night.
In Europe both wariants of svastica have positive meaning. Why you don’t write about that? You present left-svastika only as negative. Why?
Greetings from USA, Glad to hear and hope you best wishes on educating the public. The wounds of the Jewish people will not heal as long as racism still exist, The American Neo-Nazi’s do a good job of bringing back the painful memories of the holocaust. i got alot of trouble also for wearing the Buddhist Swastika symbol especially from the jewish people. Alot of Native Americans also used the Swastika symbol also.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbol, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity, and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
this is rediculous. the nazis couldnt even think of their own symbo, instead they stole the idea of the swazi from the hindu form meaning purity and angled it. neo-nazis also stole the skinhead look from the skinhead-mod scene of the 1960 in london. just goes to show you how much many people love to think for themselves.
I heard the swastika is banned in some parts of Europe is that true? If so what parts of Europe is the swastka banned from ?
As a Heathen, I know that this symbol, at least in the west, originates as a symbol of Lord Thunor’s strength, might, and protection. The symbol’s visual design is of His lightning.
Alex claims that it should be banned, as Buddhism needs no symbols and whatnot. Sorry bub, but your nay-saying attitude will not give a better understanding, nor a better education to the public.
If Hitler made our symbol a racist one, then the Klan has done with same with the American flag that they now fly more than the old Confederate flag.
If we are to ban the Fylf?t, then we are to also ban the American flag, since it represents military aggression, racist oppression, and torture in Guantanamo Bay.
You see the point I’m getting at?
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i think the swaztika is a awsome symbol..it was origanlly a sign for peace..so i stick to that…not you nazi’s
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking ss division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
What about the Sonnenrad the vikings used and hitler used in the viking division is that symbol banned also ?
Or can we were that symbol ?
Querido Ardilla Roja:
Of course, we are the son’s of the Swastika… the ancient symbol who is, in fact, a symbol of freedom.
Here in Mexico we have Swastikas too.
Have a Happy New Year.
The Ancient symbol of the Fyflot, The Sunwheel etc,I wear as a tattoo, I attained this symbol in Iceland, where it is representative of Thor’s Hammer, The Protective Norse God of the Common man!
On the other arm is the Valknut which represents The High One Odin .
Lord of Truth to whom I give my allegiance!
It has nothing in common with the Nazi’s and totalitarianism in general!
May we all stand strong in the defence of Freedom!
I think instead of bringing back the swastika, we can just say that the handlebar mustache will stand for all the things the swastika once meant.
the swastika should be banned. Buddhism does not need symbols. Even the Lord Buddha congratulated a monk when he burned a wooden buddha statue to keep warm. The swastika has become a symbol of hate in the west. There is no need to provoke by reintroducing the symbol no matter how ancient it is.
The REAL Swastika: The logo of modern evil has a benign ancient face
http://www.aquarianonline.com/Meaning/Swastika.html
Dear AUpshaw:
I understand, living with racist is very hard , but the use of the Swastika is cause they are ignorants, they believe the stupid Hitler create the symbol… here we try to rescue the symbol, is not simple, but we must to try…
Trully yours:
H.von Neuhaus
The reason why swastikas are still looked down on is not simply because it was used as a hate symbol in the past–it still is a hate symbol. I live in the south: a traditionally rascist part of the country. I know people who legitimately hate Jews and use the swastika to symbol their beliefs in hatred.
I understand there must be frustration in the hijacking of a holy symbol. But be careful about promoting something that represents to most people (especially in the west) pure hatred.
Being a Buddhist of many years, I have seen it placed frequently on broacades and the like. It is not, in my tradition – Tibetan, a prominent symbol. I believe it was taken from the Bon religion, but am unsure. I also believe it symbolizes protection of some sort.
Of course, the Iluminatologists say it is a broken cross, but considering it’s age in the East, I am skeptical.
What Francisco Marto Rodrigues said is perfectly true. Since once ba***d misused a symbol other ba**ds want to ban it. What the change they can bring by banning a symbol. If thats the case since Hilter’s catholism caused all these havoc then Catholism also be banned. Since he used militiary dress that also should be banned. Since he lived in Germany all germans should be banned. Foolish fellows. The future can always rub away the past so use Swastika in your profiles websites etc…. and propogate it. No body can su*k anything.
Jai Hind
Long live swastika
For me the swastika might symbolize The Golden Rule, “Do not do to other that you wouldn’t like done upon yourself !” the keystone wisdom for human mutualism and cooperation that can be found in a form or another in all mankind schools of thought and philosophies. The karmic buddhist version of it says ignoble deeds will fire back on you as a boomerang.
In a broader view, the swastika might stand for the univers’ cyclical nature, whatever that means
The problem with the West and the western mind is to see things as black and white. But life is a rainbow. Sex has been repressed and prostitution and pornography appeared as an offshot. Joy and ecstatic manifestations are repressed and then people start consumming drugs. An idiot has used a sacred symbol and now idiots want to ban it. Both idiots are part of the same type of mind, just the two sides of a coin. If they want to ban the sacred swastica because of the nazis, they shoud ban the cross because of the Crusades and the eagle as a symbol because of its connection with the nazis. Then all the symbols should be banned each time an idiot uses it for egoistic purposes. They are ignorant! The swastika is an ancient variation of the cross and are more variations like the symbol of Venus and the egyptian cross. Because the cross esoterically symbolizes the Fall of the divine Spirit into Matter, the dimensions of space and time. If they ban the swastika people should start use it beneath the clothes, like a mandala.
ublee-
Why don’t you tell us what your deep reason feels like? I’d like to hear what it is. Please tell us.
Thanks.
im lee and ppl call me nazi cuz i like 2 draw swastikas. ther my fav symbol for a deep reason i dnt rly want 2 say infrnt of ppl but yea ther dumbasses its only nazi 2 americans and europeans. they say its a symbol of racism cuz of hitler but he just used a symbol for a flag like if america kills jews will a star be an evil symbol then. its just a symbol that sum dumbass serial killa used fo his flag hes not the only 1 who used it hes just the most known nowadays
Why would one want to “use” a symbol that refers to a specific thing? Like why change a noun into a verb as in “to Google” someone or something. One is never fully responsible for the personal actions of others, but one can provoke responses that may or may not be favorable. I would no more lay my understanding of the swastika on a HyperJew than deliberately stick my hand into a bucket of snakes, just because of how how the snake is likely to respond. It’s the snake’s behaviour that’s the problem, not mine.
So I can use the 3 swastikas put together like himmler did at his castle Wewelburg a.k.a camalot,and pple wont be affended by it because they dont know what it is .Because they only know the swastika that hitler used?
Billy:
I prefer the Maya Swastika, a cosmic symbol of the North… the rotation around Polaris.
Heil Leben!!!
That’s incorrect, the SS used the double rune siga like two paralel rays… some divitions of the Waffen SS use the siga for make a swastika, but they are just a few. Hitler use the Swastika like a “arian symbol” but that is incorrect too, the Swastika is a mistic symbol of life and good luck… the nazis –all of they a mob– maculate a ancient symbol with his garbage.
Heil Leben!!!
Is the Black sun used by Himmler and the ss, still a neo-.or nazi symbol, or religous symbol which is used by Asatru believers ?
This symbol is the static representation of the wheel with wings referred to in any study of angels. In real life, they rotate and sound very much like a turbine engine starting up. They have been here forever and may be thought of as souls awaiting the opportunity to reincarnate as neded, although not all of them need to. When directed to interact in synchronous rotation, their harmonies obtain the portals to the higher planes. One may hear the Voice of God should you be fortunate enough to be visited by these creatures. They are here, they are living amongst us and within us. Always have been and always will be, although in the world beyond time, “always” is sort of moot.
Yes we can!
The swastika sustains life, and destroys it.
That is the scientific fact.
For those who cliam that the swastika is purely a creative force are not looking deep enough (into that giant swastika we call the milky way}.
Galexies begin by being ‘positive’ and sending energy and stardust out untill it goes into reverse; once the reverse effect begins then the black hole destroys all traces of that which it gave birth.
Positive swastikas send energy out, the negetive onse suck energy in.
Ofcourse both processes create life; so in the end life loses, but the new beginning belongs to life.
So the swasdtika really is a symbol of life.
“Star of the moring” belongs to the Creative force for ever and ever……..
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http://commonworldinheritage.blogspot.com/
This is a good link, its important to look for common ground, rather than denounce things as evil.
Remember denouncing things as evil leads to a witch hunt mentality, you become the evil that you thought you opposed.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4717
Watch this video above, tell me are those reclining buddhas on the Etruscan uns.
I have a feeling their Godess Barati could have some connection with the Mahabharata.
Give me your ideas?
Hi SwaBoss (MarkOlson) , reply 536
I checked out your flickr photos of Swastika! That is so cool! So there really is a town in Canada called Swastika!
Good on ‘em!
sam
Hi Nancy,
I followed your youtube link. I found the video very strange. The vibration of the narrator’s voice was very creepy. I truly hope most viewers have the intelligence and discrimination to see it for what it is.
This website states the view of the Indian Spiritual master, Shrii Shrii Anandamurti, that the swastika as depicted on this website represents spiritual victory and that direction of movement is anti-clockwise which corresponds to the movement of the Kundalinii as it rises from the base cakra (pronounced “chakra”) up through the centre of the spine reflecting one’s spiritual progress.
I would encourge people to focus much less on the direction of the swastika and more on the idea that it actually represents, namely spiritual progress and spiritual victory. This is so important today on this planet. Real, genuine, authentic spirituality free from the grip of dogmatic religion – a spirituality based on the development of the higher – intuitional – layers of the human mind, and the progressive, actual experience of themselves as Pure Love Consciousness. This is the great need of the moment on this planet.
So many have attested to the fact that a battle is being waged on this planet to influence and control the collective psychic vibration that is generated here – that means, the vibration that human beings are creating. I encourage people to think about that – what is that vibration? What do you read about in the paper every day? see on the TV? watch at the cinema? What vibration is being “cultivated”, elicited amongst the mass of humanity today? Ultimately, it comes down to one or other forms of one dominant emotion – FEAR.
That is the vibration that grips this planet – fear of self, fear of others, fear, even of God. What’s the reason for that? Let people think about this. What possible reason could there be for dominant national and global institutions to create a fear vibration in the world. And who is behind such a crude agenda?
What we see today is polarisation – between that fear vibration and the agenda it represents (control, totalitarianism, cultural degradation, materialism, disconnectednes and individualism) and it’s opposite: Love for All that Is.
The quality of Love is a spiritual quality, and the victory of that Love on this earth – which means transformation of our fear-based, greed-based human society towards a “Neo-humanist” society – is represented by the swastika.
Combined with proper spiritual practices – intuitional practices – it is possible to flood this planet with spiritual waves of Pure Love. The source of that pure love is the heart of human beings, accessed through spiritual practices. The following spiritual MANTRA is one powerful means of creating that vibration:
BA’BA’ NA’M KEVALAM
Everything is the expression of one, Infinite, Loving Consciousness.
or, in short: the essence of everything is Love
This mantra can be sung – LOUDLY! alone or with others. The important thing is to really feel the meaning of the mantra – that everything is Love. After singing the mantra one can then sit in quiet meditation, repeating the mantra slowly and silently in the mind for 10 or 20 minutes (or longer!).
I often face the swastika while I am chanting this mantra – the direction as represented on this website!
I hope this will prove beneficial to people!
Affectionately
sam
COMBAT 18:
do it like your idol and kill yourself and tell others like you to do the same… don’t leave on earth any piece of nazi industry… clean all the nazis from the face of the earth… swastika 4 peace!!
SIEG HEIL. WE ARE STILL HERE.BLOOD AND HONOUR
i found this great website that i wish many people would read
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/swasticross.html
I use the Lauburu from the vasque, and the maya Swastika… I know other religions use this symbol, and is a very vital symbol, like all from paganism, the christian cross is a torture symbol, and catholics make in his name a systematic murder of the “others”, even christians. Catholics don’t deserve mercy from History.
Von Neuhaus
justice ur wrong about the christians
I think that we should wear the swastika out in public
freely and openly,and no longer be afraid of the damn
nieve and stupid pple. The Swastika in my Teutonic
Religion is a viking swastika same meanings of the positive side, and symbol of Donnar god of Thunder.
The damn Jews!,need zu wake the fick up and forget about the past and look toward the future und worry about the damed Iraqs.The Jew symbol is a gang sign also and if a symbol is a gang sign then they shouldn,t be ficken wear it anyway like we the Buddhst,Hindu,Germans,und all religons that have the swastka and if we get them not to wear then they would have no choice but to let all religions be free of this curse by Adol Hitler .I want to wear my Swastika for the follower of Donnar my god, as his symbol out in the open freely with out getting harmed,threatened,hated,punnished,or jumped on!
I’m an Indian who’s grown up watching his whole family, society and country loving, respecting and revering the ‘Swastika’. Swastika is an indispensable symbol at any important Hindu occasion, esp. at/on/in temples & religious households of India; as are the Aryan (creators of the Swastika) Vedic hymns, which are absolutely necessary to be recited at – every Hindu birth, marriage, death, festival ceremonies, etc.
I was shocked to discover (during my school days) that Swastika and the term ‘Arya/Aryan’ had been mis-used by the Nazis towards extremely violent means and ends. I’m still hurt when I hear about these two terms – ‘Swastika’ and ‘Arya’ being used by the neo-Nazis and Pan Aryans to justify their illogical (hatred filled, racial and biased) views of history and race.
Thankfully, the reality behind these two terms is easily available on the internet today, which shows how these terms were originally associated with nobility, high-morals, auspiciousness, self-responsibilty, intelligence and courage.
We Indians (esp. 85% Hindus) cannot imagine our lives, daily conduct and spiritual beliefs without Aryanism and Swastika. That’s all I can say. Thanks.
Hello Nancy
I have come across that video before, I found it sad that left and right political ideologies had to be brought into it. Making out the swastika belongs to either is not the way forwards.
Let alone attempting to make out Left is Good and Right is bad. There has been much more suffering under Communism than there was under the Nazis and the EU is creeping Communism if you ask me.
Politics needs to keep well away from the swastika altogether. I cannot imagine for one minute that what they put fowards as truth in this video is anything more than left wing Political propaganda.
I prefer to leave the Left and Right political scaremongering to the sad ethics of politicians and turn to the yin and yang symbol of balance and harmony. Politics taints everything it touches.
How great that you are letting others know the Truth about the Swastika.
Have you seen this YouTube video?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbPB8q6ZBQ
Well, the site’s name says it all. I think of all the symbolisms that we fight for, this one is one of the more essential ones.
This is something that will happen to you in the US. If you show a NAZI SWASTIKA in the US, you will get arrested or get beaten up.
So don’t do it.
The swastika is not all bad there for it should not be baned in all parts of the world. But for the part in wich the nazi’s used it for there national symbol, it is very much evil. Be thankful the allies stoped the nazi’s and there rampage.
This site is a fantastic find! Still a little bit of reading that needs to take place on my part, but I am sure I will get there.
I had no idea about the EU band … crazy! I am currently living in Sweden … I hope that they do not come and confiscate my Swastika hat that I brought back from our 100th anniversary.
Yes, I am from the small town called Swastika … the same little town in Canada … yes you can see the town sign in the pictures section of this site.
Please feel free to browse my photos from the famous little town here … http://flickr.com/photos/600901/collections/72157601022070621/
I sometimes write a blog post or two … on my site http://markolson.ca about living in Swastika. Just search the site for Swastika.
– SwasBoss
Who is the EU anyway they have no authority to ban anything, our politicians are traitors and collaborating with the EU is treason
We will to restore the Swastika as a human kind symbol… not for a religion or a political movement, just like the cosmic symbol the Swastika is.
Von Neuhaus
The swastika is the world’s oldest complex symbol. The oldest found swastika is around 8500 years old. Traditionally the swastika has been used all over the world on every continent and has almost universally meant good fortune, life, light or other good things.
We must not let this discrimination of an ancient symbol continue, just because a bunch of Germans used it in their political organization’s symbol.
RECLAIM THE SWASTIKA!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqf8VF_fr18
Good vid!
http://www.azibaza.com/blg?p=186
http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/czs/bluelotus.html
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/odin/odin-9.htm
http://www.attan.com/
It is not just the swastika that needs reclaiming but historical truth, the twin evils of Communism and Capitalism is destroying all peoples heritage and culture and torning our nations into slaves of the system.
We should support World Dharma by rediscovering our Common vedic heritage
The true meaning of the swastika is a beautiful one; I have always wanted (and am getting soon!) a small swastika tattoo to remind me to persevere. Indeed, this site is a wealth of information and one I will reference in regards to my tattoo!!
Danke!!
One thng to note is that the Hindu, Buddist etc Swastikas are never rotated 45 degrees and are often accompanied by dots. This changes the symbol significantly. The Nazis abused many symbols – runes, celtic symbols (eg triskele) etc, most have “survived and revived” since World War 2. Sadly the swastika still envokes horror in most western eyes and I think the symbol will take a long time to be reinvented in western eyes – as Steven Heller says in “Swastika-symbol beyond redemption” – “On the scales of meaning the horror the swastika evokes far outweighs any benign and harmless attributes it has(in the western world at least)”
I’ve actually noticed both so-called ‘negative’ and ‘positive’ swastikas on ancient Irish relics, suggesting to me that Hitler’s choice of Hakenkreuz was not a ‘perversion’ of the swastika, but another form of it.
Jewish bankers actualy funded both us the British and also Hitler and the Nazi party via the bush family.
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( sound familiar to anyone bushes being involved in disreputable deeds and acts ? )
If It were not for the Jewish American funding Germany wouldnt have got any where both cilivil or war constructions.
The Swastika is actualy on Numerous Ancient relics.
one video people may considering watching is a BANNED video.
JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY.
It is Very informative to the more open minded in our societys.
Did The 3rd Reich actualy fall ???????????
or did it continue via C.I.5 and 6 in uk and C.I.A in U.S.A and Nasa etc
Hidden History ????? why hide the truth ?????
the Zionist offered UK in ww2 help from U.S forces IF we conceded to give the Jews Isreal back, which we did in 47 ?
All the symbols are his users want to be:
The Swastika in mayan country is a couple of enlaced serpents… is a astronomical symbol and thats the way still is used by groups like the Asume-Edelweiss; Bergsteiger und Überleben… the Swastika in all the North Hemisphere represent the aparent move of stars around the North Pole Star.
The use of Swastika by the nazi garbage is only another crime against intelligence.
¡Saludo la Victoria de la Vida!
There’s no directional difference for a Swastik in my opinion. It’s like a gun, for example : is a tool, one could use it to create peace or violence.
Your mind could see movement but the movement is an illusion (linguistic, pictorial).
A Swastik (a) may be representing something, in different languages, but it’s only a symbol.
In the East we believe it represents good and equality. A semantical balance, all equal.
It’s as-if to call for a ban on the US flag if it were used by a militant group to promote terror?
To submit and agree to the true meaning of the Swastik as represented by the majority.
Nevertheless what you fail to understand is that good and bad are human moralistic concepts based on the concept of self-preservation. Meaning nature doesn’t equate to the concept of good and bad. Hence good and bad is in your mind (thought) and body (action).
Using a symbols representing great power has always been the exploratory pursuit of political supremacy.
The rest is the sweet stupidity of ignorant believer/non-believer.
Oh, and by the way I believe that nature has a mechanism of evolving in the form of life and that it try’s to promote self-preservation. Any ideal that promotes self-preservation, will believe in the multiplicity of the complex universe, will agree that to live we need to let live, the devours and the absurd.
However you understand the comedy of nature be careful how you Represent it ! While many will get it, someone will always get it wrong
Q: Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
A. It depends on the context. Different cultures believe different things. There is no “right” answer. Like many things in life, this is a gray area unless you stand in a stationary position (e.g., believe in one representation)
Under the symbolism link, you quote Sarkar as warning people not to use the negative swastika. However, you neglect to present a balanced view.
In many cultures (Lithuanian and Latvian, that I know of), this distinction is not recognized.
Disturbing news from Lithuania. Apologies if this appears elsewhere on your site. I am very disappointed that the Seimas does not recognize the use of the swastika as an ancient, sacred symbol. Even “variants thereof” have been banned!
Banned Symbols
Today, the Parliament (Seimas) of Lithuania passed the toughest law in
Europe prohibiting the display of all Nazi and Soviet symbols, including
flags of the Third Reich, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and
Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, their arms, uniforms and anthems.
Prohibition includes also any variant of the swastika, hammer and sickle
and five-pointed red star and public display of the images of the
leaders of the NSDAP and the Communist parties of the USSR and LSSR.
During the discussion, radical deputy Petras Grazulis (Union of the
Fatherland) wanted to include the symbols of the Polish Home Army
(AK-Armia Krajowa) into the law, but this was rejected by the
Parliament.
Russian media told their readers and viewers that the anthems of the
Russian Federation and Federal Republic of Germany won’t be performed in
Lithuania anymore as identical to those of Nazi Germany and Soviet
Union. However, the Lithuanian Parliament made it clear that the
prohibition concerns only the old words of both anthems.
Source: Gazeta Wyborcza, Warsaw, June 17, 2008.
Chrystian Kretowicz, 18 June 2008
Great website, keep up the good work!
Von Recla
And tomorrow is the 69 aniversary of British declaration of war to the nazis, for show then how’s the free world with agresors.
Long life to the British Army!
Von Neuhaus
Today is the 69th anniversary of the nazi invasion of Poland Blitzkrieg showed the world a whole new type of war.Thanks to the German army.
Blooson, I have swastikas on my collectable WWII German uniforms because they are part of them. Whether they are viewed as good, bad, or indifferent, the swastika is just a geometric design. The East does not have an exclusive claim to the swastika, nor any other part of the world or any religion. No one knows when the first one was scrawled with a burnt stick on some rock or an opponent’s forehead. I could claim I invented punctuation marks and therefore demand royalty payments from the entire Earth’s population.
Hi All,
Perhaps it is time to cleanse the Swastika of its negative connotations and liberate it from its association with the Nazis.
As many have pointed out the Swastika is an ancient spiritual symbol that has been in existance for thousands of years and can be found engraved on the walls and floors of Buddhist and Hindu temples as well as churches in parts Asia and Europe. It is a symbol that unites races and religions.
The following video explains the significance of the *three* forms of the Swastika along with its direction of rotation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbPB8q6ZBQ
We have a choice here. We can continue to make the Swastika a symbol of fear and hate or we can reclaim it and use the way it was originally intended.
Cheers.
nice one well done hitler
swastika is a sign of peace but if used the wrong way can be evil but genraly is good!!!!!
Nazi swastikas are black, not red, or blue, or plaid. What is with all of the Hindu stuff? Hindus think their dead uncle is a beaver, or some deformed child is a god. The U.S. Navy has a building that is a swastika. And guess what? Somebody saw it on Goggle Earth and whined about it. Now, with my tax dollars, the building will be changed so the whinybutts will shut up.
Hello to all,
What would be a left turning Swastika?
Well that is a mirrored western swastika or the swastika you are using as your page banner.
I must also say that a red swastika which turns counterclockwise and is a mirror projection of the swastika you are using, stems out of the Hindhu culture.
The blue one who is also mirrored and turns counterclockwise, that stems out of the Tibetan Bön culture which has its roots about 18.000 years ago…..
So the Nazi cross is a red one and shows the copy out of the Hindhu culture.
Furter copied out of the Hindhu cultur, done by the German spiritual lady adviser from Hitler is the word Arier.
Arier is derived from the Sanskrit word Aryan and this means great. Herewith is meant the greatness of the Brahmins. These Brahmins have blue eyes and blond hair. These are the Aryans of the Vedas. So Hitler thought with the help of his female spiritual advisor that the Germans would be the source of the Brahmins.
Further do the Brahmins speak an Indo-German language. This is indeed for Europeans easier to study then Chinese.
That all was for Hitler a motivation to make war on an ideological base.
Mussolini did the same in relation with the Roman empire and Hirohito, well he was anyway a God King and could do everything he liked.
These were some more detailed explanations regarding the Swastika in relation to the western world use of the ancient powerfull blue skies symbol.
Best wishes:
Kalden Yungdrung
Hello Pete,
Yes it is indeed thta the use in the western world of the swastika is a right turning one.
Original it is counterclockwise, to the left.
So the question would be why is it in the western world a right turning swastika?
Regards:
Kalden Yungdrung
Kalden, the emblem of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division was, from 1923 to 1940, a red right-pointing swastika on a yellow diamond. Both ways are found in American Indian history and societies. The 45th changed its symbol in 1940 because of the Nazis. Today it is a red Thunderbird and the smaller 45th Infantry Brigade is headquartered in Oklahoma as the Oklahoma Army National Guard, though a lot of them are in Iraq right now. Swastikas have been pointed both ways in many countries for many years. Who knows, there might be cave paintings somewhere with swastikas. Hmmm…Nazi neanderthals.
Hello all,
There is something to say about your banner e.a. logo.
When the swastika is right turned this means in fact the nazi cross.
The ancient Hindhu and Tibetan Bön swastika cross is to the left turning.
The swatika is the symbol of eternity.
The swatika describes with its left turning the way the palnets turn.
The Swastika means in the Bön history of aboyt 18.000 years YUNG DRUNG.
Because Bön deals with ultimate Wisdom is this Wisdom eternal and symbolyzed by the Swastika or Yung Drung or in the Bön language Mu Drung. With last mentioned Mu Drung is: Mu = sky and drung = eternal
P.s.I saw the reply of a Jewish person. he might maybe upset because your emblem or banner figures the anzi cross, because it is a right turning cross. Like i told are the religious crosses used in Tibetan Bön Buddhism and in Hindhu culture, left turning swastikas.
Best wishes:
Kalden Yungdrung
sWASTIKA iN vEDIC TEXT MEANS SOMETHING PEACEFUL.
sWASTI = Peace and well being for the whole world
The Canto in vedas
Swasti Na Indro VruDhaShwaha
Swasti Na Pusha, VishwaVedaha
Swasti NasTakShor Arishtha NaeMiHi,
Swasti No BruHasPatti Daddatu
So swasti is asking The Lord of Swasti or the lord of Ashta vasus or directions for peace and and good will for all.
Swastika In Hindusim is Lord Ganesha. So dont hate the symbol. Its got nothing to do with Nazism
My, hasn’t this subject veered off into sniping and innuendo. It’s just a geometric design. What if they had used a hexagon? So much for bolt heads.
But, if controversy is required by some just to get a rise with an unrelated subject, here is a note from 8-year old Kurt Hoffstedter of Munich in 1943:
Dear Mister Himmler,
please don’t kill all of the kikes. I like to fly them.
Yours suspiciously,
Kurt Hoffstedter
Dear Lev Abramovich,
What has that diatribe got to do with the Swastika?
We’re supposed to be coming together to reclaim this peaceful and holy symbol. This isn’t the right place to be raking over the same old coals.
We all know about the Holocaust. We know what happened. We don’t need to be reminded of the horror at every turn in our lives.
Please, for once, can’t we concentrate on the good things in the world rather than spending our lives fretting about the bad?
To my dear Lev Abramovich:
you’re too stupid to be talking like this. It’s not a “nazi cross” you idiot. And this site is about a symbol with thousands of years older than the nazis and concentration fields or jews themselves. How can you be such an idiot? Either you’re a cultureless jew or just a sutpid guy with internet and nothing to do. Long live the swastika, symbol of good luck and prosperity. Death to stupid idiots and nazis! Circumsized kisses to you all! *****
I stumbled onto this website while researching the origins of the Nazi cross for a college class.
I am saddened by people who still are so dumb that they think the “jews” run the world.
You all just cant accept that there are jews in many different countries, who are all different races, and several of them are very successful. They are successful because they worked hard, and are smart!!!!
Try it sometime. Hopefully you too are smart!
And, From what I gather, isnt this site supposed to be for people to try and restore the peaceful, and WISE meaning of the original Swastika?
I cant believe how many STUPID people are on this site! I have seen countless people say that the holocaust was a lie, and then even more people not say one word about it!
How could the holocaust be a lie, if there were 19 concentration camps across europe, 7 DEATH camps across europe (devoted SOLELY to INCINERATING all of its visitors),
and many labor camps as well.
Over 30 camps total, devoted to sacrifice….not to mention, that the population of Polands jews went from much over 3 million, to less than 100,000!!!
Then, add the countless other jews, the Russian jews. the Hungarian jews, the german jews. Even Greek and Danish jews were killed.
There are COUNTLESS VIDEO TAPEs of Countless camps being Liberated, with PILES of bodies, containing hundreds of thousands of people, and that is only from the last couple DAYS of the war! Use COMMON SENSE!!!!
This isnt some conspiracy!!! Many different countries had soldiers with film, photographs, and written accounts of these atrocites. Not to mention, the several german documents detailing the plans. And, the many nazi officials who ADMITTED these atrocities.
Oh, and I almost forgot, we have the actual REMAINS of over 30 HUGE camps, devoted to housing thousands of prisoners, and then cowardly proceeding to gas and burn them.
Dont you get it????
They had to build STOVES in order to BURN THE CORPSES. THAT IS HOW MANY WERE KILLED.
Do you get it now???? Kill twenty people. Mass grave. Kill 500,000 people at one camp over four year? You have to proceed to Incinerate them. WHich is what the Nazi scum DID. Now, add up ALL of the death camps, and youve got 6 million EASY.
You want to be CONSERVATIVE???? 5.5 million is being ridiculously conservative.
You can fill up a book with the SS cowardice. The eisenstazgruppen would kill THOUSANDS of slavic jews in russia, and even slavic christians, for no other reason than these soldiers were brainwashed into believing that the people were scum.
In germany and hungary and otehr countries, The SS had several ambulances, which were air-sealed, and had a big red cross on the back. These big vans would drive up to groups of native villagers, and ask them if anyone wants to go and work, and be fed. Then, the ones who got in, would be driven around a corner, and gassed, in the rear of the van.
LOOK IT UP. There are many pictures, and testimonies, which are obviously authentic. I enjoy the neo-nazi who OWNS UP to what their idols did in WW2. At least those neo-nazis have BALLS.
OH, and the Swastika is NOT a WHOLLY GERMANIC OR NORDIC SYMBOL. How many artifacts must be found all over the earth for you dumb neo-nazis to accept this? It is YOU who are sub-human!
Richey and Pete:
I agree with you too, everybody in the world need a change of goverment, but I hope that came without violence.
The better way could be the education, and that’s a very hard task.
Hope we can do that together.
That’s the spirit of the Swastika’s people.
Toi, toi, toi !
Richey, I agree whole heartedly with you. All you and your fellow countrymen need to do is what we did with the same government you are under now. The question is: Do enough of you have the bolox to actually do it? It’s a big move, but the only alternative is continued slavery. Then again, you are unarmed and therefore any action would be moot. We kept the Germans from doing this to England. We didn’t know the British government would do the same thing years later. Sorry. It’s up to you (England) to make your destiny what you will of it. I hope you prevail.
We need Reinvention, A new flag. We need a new meaning. A new way of the old ways! We need to put all the best ideas together and use them. If any negative stuff comes along we need to come together and communicate with the person or people to find a positive outcome for all concerned.
Today in the uk and alot of europe people are sick and tired with being messed around by their governments and councils. Most of the partys are corrupt to the core. People need to unite and do something about it. One day soon the day will come when people will say NO MORE.
I love swastikas! They give the illusion of rotation, but they are standing still. They’re like old school spinners! But I’m not a Hindu or even religious at all. I’m white and I feel that it is a symbol of my heritage and it connects me with other white people. I don’t want to kill the jews but when I see a swastika it makes me feel proud that I am white.
On the forum http://yungdrung-rignga-ling.forums-free.com/ there is the right explanation about the Bön version of the Swastika.
In Zhangzhung language, the old language of the Bön it is called Mu Drung. It means eternal sky.
The Chagchig or ritual gYungdrung goes together with the Shang or flat bell.
The Chagchig in the right hand and the Shang in the left hand.
Bön culture is about 18.000 years old.
In this relation do i guess that the Swastika or Yungdrung (Mu drung) has its origin in the Bön culture.
Best wishes.
In Bön:
Kalden Yungdrung
I grew up knowing only the bad of the swastika symble i was unaware of the ariginal meaning with that i say thankyou for educating me.
I grew up knowing only the bad of the swastika symble i was unaware of the ariginal meaning with that i say thankyou for inlighing me.
… and because of WWII there will never again be a child named Adolf Hitler.
Damn you Adolf for ruining two perfectly good names!
bxnbngfngf
Dear Anonymous,
We have only one revolution to our credit and it was our own. We have tried to stay out of other people’s wars (Norway was pussy enough to be taken by the Germans) but, we helped get them out of your country anyway. We have been either dragged into foreign wars since 1812 or were attacked and did something about it. Americans don’t like war. We like going on with our daily lives and not messing with goofballs who have nothing better to do than interupt normal people. I’m guessing you are fairly young and watch too much left-wing TV. We have nothing to do with Nazis, except putting them out of business.
And just what is “bad” about having an eagle as our national symbol? The eagle is a symbol of majesty and strength, which this nation possesses. What is your’s, a walrus, or maybe an icicle? On top of all that, you are illiterate.
jadroe, you must be jocking.
The country you are talking of is not a country but an empire. It has prodused more conflicts, wars and revolutions than any other empire in the world.
I wish they never use the Swasita , it is bad anough that they use the eagle.
In a society like the one that is present in the U.S. today, would it even be possible to enlighten people to the true meaning of the Swastika?
This society is so media fed, and who controls the media? The same people that don’t want to let go of the recent past, the recent past compared to how old the Swastika is.
Such a great country, one that really does produce a lot of good, but there is just this hint of common sense missing, the drive to “know” beyond the media, to think outside of the tube.
If the cultures that used the Swatsika as a positive symbol also had a God, then I wish that this God would appear and educate the closed minded, and do away with the upholding of the wrong images that people have of this ancient ideogram.
It seems to me that the human body is a converter- the perfect tool for transforming energies that pass through us. all energies that pass through the human body or are generated by the human body should be converted to positive, beautiful energy that resembles light as opposed to darkness.
This symbol as become dark and it creates darkness in the hearts of people who look at it now.
it must be converted to light- so that light is its only creation.
Beautiful job Mr. Kornus.
I saw a Chinese Mauser years ago that had many swastikas stamped all over it. I asked the dealer what they were about and he said the swastika was, and is, a popular good luck symbol in China. One time I drew an electrical schematic and then noticed that four of the wires looked like a swastika. I didn’t change it. Some people whine too much about nothing. It’s just a geometric design. The next thing you know, someone will want to ban circles because people throw up if they spin around too much or, squares because they impart being “enclosed” and therefore anti-social. We musn’t forget the mentally impared (like those who freak out about swastikas).
You can still find plenty of swastikas in the Southwest of America because the Indians use it for all sorts of things. I saw a wrench a few years ago that was made in Chicago in the 1920s and the company logo was a swastika. Whine, whine, whine.
Heil Berg!
Like in the Nanga Parbat.
Live long and prosper!
Héctor Chavarría
That, about the armenian swastika is really interesthing… have you photos or something about that?
The Swastika is a beauty, the nazis are idiots.
Sieg Heil, und Sieg Berg!!!!
Live long and prosper!
Héctor Chavarría
sieg heil
the jews are the ones who tried to vilify and ban the swastika, let us not leave that point out. the national socialists used it for the same reasons you do.
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Karekin Dickran
Your absolutely right, the Catholic church is nothing but a glorified power house.
“Swastika” ideogram is an ancient symbol depicted by plenty in Armenian Highlands, dating back
to 20-15,000 years BC. Armenians call the symbol Astica. The prefix “Ast” stands for
Almighthy. Ast.vads in Armenian means God, the sufix “ads” means: who gives birth to [energy].
Kindest regards
Karekin Dickran
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Torquemada:
You must be one of those who believe in the inquisiciòn like the method for make good catholic slaves.
The inquisitors are criminals.
I hope you can learn a little bit more about the Swastika.
Your catholic cross is a torture instrument.
live long and prosper!
Tomas de Torquemada
You must be one of those that believe in the Mumbo Jumbo of Christianity.
Hakekors has been around before they even where considering making that fairytale.
Los mejores deseos de SWASTIKA para todos, palabra que en sanscrito significa:
ES BUENO ESTAR BIEN.
Trully yours:
H.de Chavarría
Hakenkreuz, gammadion… Swastika:
¿Cual profanación? Están dándole demasiada importancia a la cruz cristiana, la cual en realidad no es otra cosa que un instrumento de tortura.
Además, al simpático “torquemada”, para que fuera “una profanación”, la cruz cristiana tendría que haber sido equilátera… y no lo es.
El verdadero símbolo del cristianismo fue el PEZ luego la iglesia romana -que no es cristiana-, eligió el simbolo de tortura romano como su insignia y en nombre de ese instrumento de tortura los católicos, no los cristianos, masacraron a millones mediante la inquisición, las cruzadas, etc.
Así que ¿cual profanación?!!
La Swastika es un símbolo dinámico, de acción y bondad… la cruz de los católicos es estática, significa dolor y muerte.
> Hackcross (Hakenkreuz) is profanation of Christian Cross done by breaking its beams in half on middle of each beam radiating from crossing point.
Except that the swastika pre-dates Christianity by several thousand years.
Hackcross (Hakenkreuz) is profanation of Christian Cross done by breaking its beams in half on middle of each beam radiating from crossing point. Because of this, hackcross should be totally banned.
Mr.Castillo:
Realmente todo se reduce a una cuestión de interpretación.
Son las personas las que hacen las cosas buenas o malas, como también es de las personas el concepto de bien y mal.
La Swastika, como se ha dicho muchas veces, es signo de bienaventuranza, es antigua y dinámica, los nazis la ensuciaron y los creyentes en “satanismos” le adjudicaron una dualidad buena o mala según la dirección en la cual se supone “gira”, pero eso es una tontería.
Si desea conocer algo mas al respecto, busque en el website del periodico Voces mi artículo sobre la Swastika y verá el profundo significado que esta tuvo para las culturas ancestrales de México y tiene ahora para grupos de montaña como el Edelweiß Gruppe Mexiko.
Atentamente.
H.Chavarría
I say that people that want to do evil or bad things always steal from God the beautiful things to devalue them and cause confusion. It is always in the eyes of the beholder and their perception. I have always loved the rainbow and when I learned it had sinister meanings was told to take it off my truck. No, I know what it means to me. That is all that matters. The swastika is what you believe it to be. As humans we tend to forget that God made all things good. Man in his choices and rebellion chooses to make things evil. The Confederate Flag to me is beautiful yet it offends others. I see it as part of history and not as a race symbol. People need to let things go, :its a bag of Cheetos”, let it go and get another one.
Que?
Tienes maestría y doctorado en ambas??
LOL
Ciendo de Mexico eso tiene el valor de trabajando en McDonalds aqui. LOL Ganas $5 al dia.
Felicidades con tu maestria y doctorado.
Tu policia te Roba.
Tu gobierno te Viola
Nunca logras Nada
So tu educacion de caber Japones, German, Y Mayan no te ayuda NADA. Y tu lo sabes LOL
Mayan?? Que logras con eco?? LOL
La verdad, otra bes entendi como 40% de lo que escribiste.
Ya dejame en pas. Ya se que tienes ambre so ve y gana tus $5 al dia.
Bein echo.
Mucha Mucha Suerte
RECLAIM THE “POSITIVE” SWASTIKA!!!
For sure Bernt:
The representation of Swastika as the sun, came from the cultures of south, like Moches and Quechua. In the north cultures, like Maya and Mexica, is a polar symbol and that’s the way as he was always used.
The movement (aparent) of the Polar Bear around the North Star.
Bernt you are correct with the rest, but never the direction have a significance of good or evil like some people want to believe…
In fact, the mayan Swastika is a double one… and have the same value.
That’s the way we on the Edelweiß use them on the mountains.
Dr. Héctor De Chavarría
Edelweiß Gruppe Mexiko.
Gringos de quinta y mexicanos de octava:
Lo que resultó muy claro fue su nivel ¿cultural?, Uds. son de esas personas, arrimadas a la limosna gringa quienes para empezar no hablan ni inglés ni español…
Preguntan algo de jardín de niños y cuando se les responde correctamente, su ignorancia les lleva a sentirse ofendidos (sintiendo que les dijeron satanistas), bueno esa es una premisa de la estulticia.
Es obvio que firman “anónimos” por las siguientes posibles razones:
1.- Les da pena su apellido (si lo tienen).
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2.- Son tan cobardes que necesitan el escudo del anonimato.
3.- Se han puesto tan en evidencia en su estulticia, que hay una muy comprensible verguenza.
4.- Seguramente andan huyendo de migración…
5.- Obviamente a cualquiera le daría pena que los mexicanos de verdad, a los que insultan en sus “cartas”, sepan quienes son…
6.- Son unos maricas cobardes, aparte de apátridas, que sólo desean ser gringos (lo cual jamás serán pues ahí sólo los aceptan como criados de cuarta) y sólo quisieran llamarse smith, en vez de perez.
7.- Cuando quieran escribirme, háganlo en inglés, alemán, japonés o español…, no les pido maya o náhuatl, porque está demasiado más allá de su alcance y, no en una mezcla cómica de dos idiomas que no manejan.
Y por último, no haré chistoretes con sus apellidos porque como son culeros (la parte de atrás del pantalón), no los pusieron. Por cierto, no intenten con los albures, desconocen el castellano.
En cuanto a la historia, del periodo nazi y de mi país, tengo maestría y doctorado en ambas, amén de cinco premios nacionales por divulgación de la cultura (aunque dudo entiendan eso)… y, al ignaro que habló de la Thule Gesellschaft, debía leer libros de verdad con la historia de esa asociación, a la cual jamás pertenecieron quienes menciona, porque era una organización aristocrática.
En cuanto a la Swastika, JAMAS HA IMPORTADO “SU DIRECCIÓN”, HACIA LA DERECHA O LA IZQUIERDA. Hay Swastikas, no suasticas buenas o malas… y los nazis, por cierto, las usaban en ambas “direcciones”, debían documentarse donde valga la pena.
Atte.
Dr. Héctor De Chavarría
Ive Been side tracked by some Clown from Mexico calling me names because im inquiring about information and hoping someone could confirm or deny this information.
First
Basically what i have learned is that there are two representations of the swastika.
A positive and a negative.
If anybody can confirm or deny this PLEASE let me know.
Second
If the above is true. What ive learned is that the swastika which spins towards the right is considered the Positive Swastika
and the swastika that spins left is considered the negative swastika.
So for now.
Can anyone confirm or deny the above information.
I know that the swastika is one of the oldest symbols known to man and that indeed there may have been a time that there was No difference between the two types of swastikas.
What i think is that atleast from the mid 1800s to about the 1950s there may have been two representations of it.
Can anyone please confirm or deny?
Thank you
Hector “Chupa Verga” Chavalaeeeya
no respondas
Ve trabaja por $1 al dia
Thank you to everyone else.
Hector CHAVALA eeeya
Ill talk spanglish to you.
You seem to be educated mi amigo but the way u express yourself makes you seem very low class. I’m mexican. Mi papa nacido en Aguascalientes y mi mama en Jalisco. No tienes respeto mi amigo. Te ase falta. If its true you call mexicans born in the United States “come mierda” its ironic. Because millions of YOUR familia y amigos come over here every single year and live in the worst communities. Drive the cheapest oldest cars. Become gang members. Are ALL drunks and Adulterers. Have more children than they can afford. Don’t respect the laws. Don’t appreciate opportunities here and NEVER return to Mexico. They basically come to the United States to “Come Mierda” of us all. So before u consider Mexicans born in the U.S. “Come mierda” you better look around at your freinds and family that want to come here. Anyways lo que dices del swastika que Satanistas inventaron el Mal Swastika es lo que estoy diciendo. Hitler was a member of a Cult that worshipped Paganism or Satanism. It was called “}hule Society” No sabes nada Hector Chavalia. Go study history a little more. No hables lo que no sabes, estudia mas mi amigo. Hitler, Himmler, Y Hess eran parte de el “Thule Society”. So para ellos the swastika that rotated left was considered a more powerful symbol than the swastika that turned right. Hmmmm pues no se si me entiendes so nimodo Hector Chavala.
Hablando de los Maya, si se de el 2012. Y otra cosa, Si comes Mierda Hector. Aqui en Estados Unidos vivimos la vida buena. El Government de su country los tienen tan domiandos que ni pueden ganar $1 americano al dia. Felicidades
Be cool
I love to hear different opinions from people. The swastika in my opinion is a very pretty symbol. This is my favorite website!
Dear Chicano:
First to all, Thanks for call me “come mierda”, that’s the way we, the real mexican, named the latin born garbage there, in USA. LOL.
So, I try to explain you, what the Swastika means, if you can’t understand: sorry my friend. And don’t call me “vato”, that’s like a insult for a real mexican: I can know about my name 500 years on the past, just in México. In the Pais Vasco, I can go 1000 more, years back so, I’m very proud to my family name, and that name is DE CHAVARRIA, with RR, not L, like use to say the people who can’t understand Spanish, that Euzkadi word means NEWHOUSE in your chicano language, and VON NEUHAUS in German, CASANOVA in Italy, ATARASHI IEE in japanese and is a very old name.
So, I can try to explain you about the Swastika in México, but I don’t think you can understand nahuatl or maya lenguages and his symbols, sorry.
By the other hand, if the swastika go to the right or to the left, that’s means nothing. That idea came from the “satanist” who was the most believers in the really pathetic chistian god.
Have a nice day.
Mexica tihui !!!!
(That was in nahuatl, the ancient lenguage of the Mexica). Be cool…
Hector de ChaVALIA
Que onda vato. Mire mi espanol no es muy bueno. So ohala awantas un poquito con como escribo. Ya se que no estoy escribiendo mis palas bien. Tambien soy mexicano. Nacido en Los Angeles. Puedo ver que entendiste lo que escribi en ingles. So si entiendes ingles porque no me respondes in ingles?? Entendi como 50% de lo que escribiste. Yo a oyido varias veces que la swastika dependiendo en que direccion esta dando vuelta representa “Mal” o “Bueno”. No qiero escribir mas de esta manera so si puedes escribir en ingles responde me. Si no come mierda por yamar me satanista.
Asta luego
Ah!, Real Revolution 2012:
Una cosa más…
Si te cuelgas del cuello una Swastika, irá con tus movimientos de un lado al otro ¿querría esto decir que eres “satanista” a veces y otras no?
Echale una ojeada a los estandartes nazis, esos de Deutschland Erwache! y verás que la Swastika va en ambos sentidos.
Eso del “satanismo nazi” lo inventaron varios alucinados, entre ellos los autores de Le Matin des Magiciens.
Un saludo.
Edelweisz Gruppe Mexiko.
Dear “verdadera revolución 2012″
La verdad es que esa idea, o más bien esa creencia, de que la Swastika “opuesta” significa “el mal”, es un invento de los patéticos creyentes occidentales en “el diablo”, esos mismos que inventaron las misas negras y otras tonterías teatrales con el único fin de hacer orgias. En realidad los “satanistas” -de Satán, el adversario-, son los más firmes creyentes en la deidad judeo-cristiana. ¿De no ser así, para que crear una liturgia respecto de su propia deidad adversaria?
En el budismo, las antiguas religiones mexicatl y en general todos aquellos que han -hemos-, usado la Swastika desde la más remota edad, el “sentido” de las “aspas” carece de importancia, la Swastika representa el movimiento, no un sentido de éste.
Los creyentes en el “satanismo” y tonterías afines se inventaron esas tonterías del movimiento levógiro u dextrógiro. El simbolismo “solar” corresponde a los pueblos australes, no a los creadores verdaderos de la Swastika, que procedemos del Hemisferio Norte.
Así que, no te enredes, la Swastika es un símbolo astronómico -polar para más referencia-, y el rollo nazi nada tiene que ver con eso. Ellos -los idiotas nazis-, usaron un símbolo que no les correspondía y hay que agregar a sus crímenes el haberlo ensuciado.
Un saludo afectuoso.
Von Neuhaus, Edelweisz Gruppe.
I don’t believe that both the clockwise and counter-clockwise spinning swastikas mean the same thing. There is a specific reason for example that the Nazis used the counter-clockwise spinning swastika and made sure that on there flags the swastika was never reversed on the opposite side. They did this by using thing fabric and basically sewing two flags together so that the bleed through did not show the clockwise spinning swastika. Any one who knows WWII history knows that the Nazis were Extremely heavy on Ideoligy. So there emphasis on making sure only the counter clockwise swastika was represented speaks volumes on how different its meaning was from the clockwise spinning swastika. From what I know the Nazis used the counter clockwise spinning swastika because it stood for Victory. This may be fact but there could also be another reason for having chosen this particular swastika.
What I have read only Once was that the positive swastika is the Clockwise spinning one and that it represents the Sun and nature or Natural or positive or Good energy. A true good luck charm. And that the Counter Clockwise spinning swastika represents the exact opposite. When u think about it this actually fits the stories about Hitler having been a member of the Occult.
So again and for the last time. Can anyone confirm with certainty or deny with certainty that the Clockwise spinning swastika is Good energy and the Counter Clockwise swastika means Bad Energy?????
God Bless
2012 nears.
SWASTIKA -fylfot
THE SWASTIKE IS A SANSKRIT WORD COMPOSED OF “SU” MEANING “GOOD” AND “ASTI” MEAINING “BEING” WITH THE SUFIX “KA” AND IS EQUIVALENT TO “IT IS WELL” OR “SO BE IT”. tHE SWASTIKA IS ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT AND SACRED OF aRYAN SYMBOLS DATING BACK TO BEFORE 6,000 b.c.e. IT IS THE SIGN OF THE SUN,S STRENGHT, AS THE UNSTOPPABLE WHIRLING MIGHT OF WILL. THE ROUNDED VERSION VERSION IS KNOWN AS THE SUNWHEEL SWASTIKA. THE CLKOCKWISE MOTION REPRESENT THE CONSIUS SELF.
my grandfather was in the Luftwaffen. I may share his beliefs or i may not. it doesn’t matter. no matter what the connection to the symbol is, it only that. a symbol. people need to grow up and grow some balls. don’t let a simple little cross ruin your day.
About your doubt: the two swastikas are the same, the aparent movement around the Polar Star.
The Oldest religion don’t see differences on one and the oposite .
Youre
H.von Neuhaus
Which is the Positive swastika??
The Clockwise Spinning Swastika which represents the Sun and Natural??
or
The Counter Clockwise Swastika which means the opposite??
Anybody posting on this site please respond.
Thank you
Christianity is a religion made up of goulash of religions and it was introduced in Europe with a sword in hand.
The swastika means good luck and have during the centuries been used as such, unfortunately evil temporary concurred the Aryans in WWII and using their propaganda machinery to smear the swastika.
I think the swastika does not resemble evil as thatis saying these religons which use the swastika are evil and that is like people saying Christianity is evil and thatis not nice
Johnny 21 london
There is a widespread resentment in Japan (I’m from there btw) over the West’s usage of Swastika, known as “manji” in Japan.
Nintendo’s Pokemon had a buddhist-inspired character, but that was censored in the USA. The same happened to a cartoon “Kin’niku-man” OK, these are less big deals, but many Japanese families carry “family symbol”, and many of them contain manji, because it has been and still is the symbol of Buddhism in the same way cross is for Christianity and crescent is for Islam.
Japanese resentment probably wouldn’t have much effect, but what may happen is that China’s increasingly anti-west sentiment may pick on this issue and possibly India to follow.
Can Anyone Clear up what the Two forms of Swastikas actually mean though PLEASE.
Here is what ive read.
A positive swastika is one tha spins CLOCKWISE.
Clockwise meaning towards the Right with the extending lines flying left away from the clockwise spin.
The other example is the NAZI swastika which spins COUNTER CLOCKWISE. Meaning spinning towards the left with with extending lines extending right away from the counter clockwise spin.
The reason a clockwise swastika is considered POSITIVE is because its spinning with the NATURAL flow of NATURE. The SUN. Again NATURAL.
While they say a counter clockwise swastika is considered to mean VICTORY that tends to mean RESISTENCE or UN NATURAL. Against nature. To change the natural flow of things. While this of course sounds positive depending on your perspective it could also be considered as a Selfish act. To Combat the natural way of things for ones own personal